Document reveals Ukraine had already reopened probe of Hunter Biden-linked firm months before Trump phone call

  
Via:  Vic Eldred  •  2 weeks ago  •  115 comments

Document reveals Ukraine had already reopened probe of Hunter Biden-linked firm months before Trump phone call
Solomon said the timeline of the alleged "illicit funds" coincided in part with the time Hunter Biden held a place on the firm's board. The younger Biden was reportedly paid as much as $1 million per year for his time on the board, but Solomon said investigators in Ukraine filed a 15-page "notice of suspicion" indicating they were "looking at the possibility that the $3.4 million paid to Hunter Biden's firm may have been part of the illicit funds that were moving through the company."

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A newly unearthed document shows that  Ukrainian officials  had opened a new probe into the firm linked to Hunter Biden months before   President Trump's  phone call with that country's leader, Fox News contributor John Solomon reported late Tuesday.

Solomon said Tuesday on " Hannity " that the U.S. government knew Ukraine was planning to look again into activities at Burisma Holdings, an energy company that employed then-Vice President Joe Biden's son as a member of its board of directors, early this year. The report is noteworthy because President Trump has been accused by Democrats of threatening in July to withhold foreign aid to Ukraine unless its new president pursued an investigation into the company and the younger Biden's role there.


"The U.S. government had open-source intelligence and was aware as early as February of 2019 that the Ukrainian government was planning to reopen the Burisma investigation," he claimed. "This is long before the president ever imagined having a call with President Zelensky," he added, noting Petro Poroshenko was still Ukraine's president at that time.

"This is a significant shift in the factual timeline."

Solomon said the information he obtained, including documents shown on "Hannity" Tuesday, was omitted from a U.S. intelligence community whistleblower's complaint lodged against Trump last month.

Solomon said that NABU -- an FBI-like anti-corruption agency in Ukraine -- requested the probe into Burisma and owner Mykola Zlochevsky be reopened earlier this year. The investigation then went forward, Solomon said. The new probe later resulted in a "Notice of Suspicion" being filed, alleging the existence of "illicit funds" running through the firm, Solomon also claimed.

Since the initial story broke,   presidential candidate Joe Biden   has sought to play down allegations made by Trump against his 49-year-old son's role with Burisma.

The Democrat also faced criticism from Trump and his allies after   a video resurfaced   showing the ex-vice president appearing to brag about pressuring to get a Ukrainian prosecutor fired. That prosecutor, Viktor Shokin, also had been looking into Burisma.

On "Hannity," Solomon said his reporting revealed the requested reopening of the probe into Burisma involved, in part, "unusual transactions" in the natural gas giant's accounts.

Solomon said the timeline of the alleged "illicit funds" coincided in part with the time Hunter Biden held a place on the firm's board. The younger Biden was reportedly paid as much as $1 million per year for his time on the board, but Solomon said investigators in Ukraine filed a 15-page "notice of suspicion" indicating they were "looking at the possibility that the $3.4 million paid to Hunter Biden's firm may have been part of the illicit funds that were moving through the company."

"A month later, in April, the prosecutor's office -- open-source intelligence, again -- the U.S. government officials confirming they were aware of this -- made a request of another investigative agency in Ukraine for assistance in going through these bank records," Solomon claimed.

"That is a significant change in the timeline -- it was omitted from the whistleblower's complaint, and the question is did he not know it or did he exclude it because it didn't fit the narrative he was trying to write," he continued.

"That's a question for Congress to answer."


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John Solomon is an American journalist who is an investigative reporter, a media executive, and a conservative political commentator. He was an editorialist and executive vice president of digital video for The Hill.

Solomon has received a number of prestigious awards for investigative journalism, among them the 2008  Robert F. Kennedy Journalism Award  and the  Society of Professional Journalists'   National Investigative Award  together with  CBS News'   60 Minutes  for  Evidence of Injustice, in 2002, the  Associated Press's  Managing Editors Enterprise Reporting Award for What The FBI Knew Before Sept. 11, 2001, and the Gramling Journalism Achievement Award for his coverage of the war on terrorism; in 1992, the  White House Correspondents' Association's  Raymond Clapper Memorial Award for an investigative series on Ross Perot.

He has become the center of controversy (via the liberal media) regarding some of his sources and his style of reporting.

As of last night Mr Solomon officially became a Fox News contributor.


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Vic Eldred
1  seeder  Vic Eldred    2 weeks ago

We now have more questions for the informers

How did the msm ignore this part of the story?

Why didn't Biden recuse himself?

The media needs to look at all the facts. The American people need to know the truth

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.1  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    2 weeks ago

I heard they were looking into Hillary's e-mails again also.

LOL.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
1.1.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @1.1    2 weeks ago

What do you mean "again"? 

That FBI investigation of Clinton's e-mails will go down in history with the Cincinnati Reds victory in the 1919 World Series - A total fraud!

 
 
 
Ozzwald
1.2  Ozzwald  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    2 weeks ago
We now have more questions for the informers

No, not based on this we don't.

How did the msm ignore this part of the story?

A story exclusive to FoxNews?  Doesn't matter, even if true, it is a moot point.  Trump still used the office of the President to pressure Ukraine into investigating his political opponent.

Why didn't Biden recuse himself?

Why would he?  He was following orders not acting on his own behalf.

The media needs to look at all the facts. The American people need to know the truth

What you meant to say is that the media should look into all the ALTERNATE facts.  Because if they don't accept right wing conspiracy theories as fact, you call them "fake news".

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
1.2.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Ozzwald @1.2    2 weeks ago
No, not based on this we don't.

No?

Trump still 

Right, that's all that's important.

Why would he?

If you don't know that much, nobody can help

What you meant to say is that the media should look into all the ALTERNATE facts

Alternate must mean what you don't like. The media needs to look at ALL the facts, just as the House Intelligence Committee needs to be transparent!

 
 
 
jungkonservativ111
1.2.2  jungkonservativ111  replied to  Ozzwald @1.2    2 weeks ago
A story exclusive to FoxNews?

Yes because as Vic said, the MSM is ignoring it. They have a habit of being disingenuous with facts in order to support their narrative. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
1.2.3  JohnRussell  replied to  jungkonservativ111 @1.2.2    2 weeks ago

Ignoring what? 

The seeded article is meaningless.  I am sick of all this gaslighting and bamboozling. 

I have made about ten comments on this seed. Go through them and try and point out to me where I am wrong about anything on this thread. 

 
 
 
jungkonservativ111
1.2.4  jungkonservativ111  replied to  JohnRussell @1.2.3    2 weeks ago

Point out to me the quid pro quo first.

 
 
 
Texan1211
1.2.5  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @1.2    2 weeks ago
Trump still used the office of the President to pressure Ukraine into investigating his political opponent.

You get that there is a difference between Hunter Biden and Joe Biden, right?

They are not the same person.

And Joe Biden is an opponent for other Democrats seeking the Democratic Party nomination. He isn't an opponent of Trump now, and may never be.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
1.2.6  Ozzwald  replied to  jungkonservativ111 @1.2.4    2 weeks ago

Point out to me the quid pro quo first.

Quid pro quo is just another right wing talking point, it is not a necessary factor for Trump to abuse the power of his office. Anyway it is also shown on the released text messages.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
1.2.7  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Texan1211 @1.2.5    2 weeks ago
And Joe Biden is an opponent for other Democrats seeking the Democratic Party nomination. He isn't an opponent of Trump now, and may never be.

Ding, Ding, Ding!!

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Sunshine
1.2.8  Sunshine  replied to  Ozzwald @1.2    2 weeks ago
Trump still used the office of the President to pressure Ukraine into investigating his political opponent.

There was no pressure.  What Joe Biden did to Ukraine was pressure and quid pro quo.

Because Joe Biden is a candidate for a political office doesn't make him immune to a US investigation, neither his son.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
1.2.9  Ozzwald  replied to  Sunshine @1.2.8    2 weeks ago
What Joe Biden did to Ukraine was pressure and quid pro quo.

Only if you have your head buried in the sand refusing to read the facts.

There was no pressure.

There was 400 million pieces of pressure.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
1.2.10  JohnRussell  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @1.2.7    2 weeks ago
And Joe Biden is an opponent for other Democrats seeking the Democratic Party nomination. He isn't an opponent of Trump now, and may never be.
Ding, Ding, Ding!!

Absurd.  They are running for the same office at the same time. 

They are election opponents.  But whats worse for Trump's argument, the pollsters match up Biden and Trump and Biden is beating Trump every time. And Trump knows it.   Talk about a motive !

 
 
 
Sunshine
1.2.11  Sunshine  replied to  Ozzwald @1.2.9    2 weeks ago
Only if you have your head buried in the sand refusing to read the facts.

Are you calling Joe Biden a liar?  You do know what a quid prop quo is?

There was 400 million pieces of pressure.

Where is that mentioned in the phone call?  Because you make something up, doesn't make it fact.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
1.2.12  Ozzwald  replied to  Sunshine @1.2.11    2 weeks ago
Are you calling Joe Biden a liar?  You do know what a quid prop quo is?

No, I am saying that your interpretation of his statement is false.  He is boasting, in the clip, about accomplishing the task he was given, there was no mention of Hunter.

From FactCheck.Org :

In January 2018, Biden disclosed that during a trip to Kyiv he privately warned Ukraine’s then-president, Petro Poroshenko, and then-prime minister, Arseniy Yatsenyuk, that the U.S. would withhold $1 billion in loan guarantees if Ukraine failed to deal with corruption and remove Shokin as its prosecutor general. (Biden did not say when he made the threat, but he addressed the Ukrainian Parliament in Kyiv on Dec. 9, 2015, and dangled the prospect of future U.S. aid if the country rid itself of the “cancer of corruption.” )

“I looked at them and said: I’m leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor is not fired, you’re not getting the money,” Biden recalled in remarks at an event hosted by the Council on Foreign Relations. “Well, son of a bitch. He got fired.”

But the U.S. was not alone in pressuring Ukraine to fire Shokin.

...

However, there is no evidence that Hunter Biden was ever under investigation or that his father pressured Ukraine to fire Shokin on his behalf.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
1.2.13  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Ozzwald @1.2.12    2 weeks ago
He is boasting

Oh, you mean that public figures sometimes boast, use hyperbole, joke and/or embellish their achievements?  I see.... Good to know! 

 
 
 
Sunshine
1.2.14  Sunshine  replied to  Ozzwald @1.2.12    2 weeks ago
No, I am saying that your interpretation of his statement is false.

There is no false interpretation. 

Again, do you even know what quid pro quo is?

quid pro quo noun 
\ ˌkwid-ˌprō-ˈkwō 

    

Definition of quid pro quo
: something given or received for something else 

What he is bragging about is his quid pro quo.

 there was no mention of Hunter.

I didn't say there was.  

But it doesn't mean Hunter Biden is immune to investigation either.

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.2.15  Tessylo  replied to  Ozzwald @1.2.9    2 weeks ago
'What Joe Biden did to Ukraine was pressure and quid pro quo.'
'Only if you have your head buried in the sand refusing to read the facts.'
'There was no pressure.'
'There was 400 million pieces of pressure.'

OH  MY GOD of course there was pressure.  You have the hostage sitting with the hostage negotiator on national TV and you're going to say, yes, this fucking moron put pressure on me.  Get real.  

 
 
 
Ozzwald
1.2.16  Ozzwald  replied to  Sunshine @1.2.14    2 weeks ago
What he is bragging about is his quid pro quo.

Well, since at the time of the firing there was no investigation of the company Hunter worked for, AND Hunter was hired 2 years after the incident that caused the investigation, perhaps you can explain why you keep trying to involve Hunter.

 
 
 
Sunshine
1.2.17  Sunshine  replied to  Ozzwald @1.2.16    2 weeks ago

The  investigation was not closed until 2017.  Then the crook, who was on the lam, who owned Burisma could return to Ukraine, because of the assistance of Biden and our tax dollars. 

Ain't that nice of us.

Biden involved his son not me.  

 
 
 
Ozzwald
1.2.18  Ozzwald  replied to  Sunshine @1.2.17    2 weeks ago
Then the crook, who was on the lam, who owned Burisma could return to Ukraine, because of the assistance of Biden and our tax dollars. 

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Sunshine
1.2.19  Sunshine  replied to  Ozzwald @1.2.18    2 weeks ago

That isn't him..this is him.

384

 
 
 
1stwarrior
1.2.20  1stwarrior  replied to  JohnRussell @1.2.10    2 weeks ago

WOW - and YOUR polls had Clinton beating Trump "every time".

Karma John - Karma.

 
 
 
Dulay
1.3  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    2 weeks ago
How did the msm ignore this part of the story?

The 'part of the story' that has NO actual documents? THAT part? 

Solomon says, doesn't cut it. 

Why didn't Biden recuse himself?

Recuse himself from WHAT exactly? 

The media needs to look at all the facts. The American people need to know the truth

No worries Vic. Now just post a link to these 'Documents' so 'we' can look at them. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
1.3.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dulay @1.3    2 weeks ago
Now just post a link to these 'Documents' so 'we' can look at them. 

It will be a pleasure. Sharyl Attkisson has been nice enough to compile them:

https://sharylattkisson.com/2019/09/read-ukraine-documents-about-biden-posted-by-john-solomon/


Enjoy

 
 
 
JohnRussell
1.3.2  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.3.1    2 weeks ago

I liked this Trumpster comment on the Atkisson web page. 

a64fcf858549a40879c937dc2ec7c375?s=48&d= GEORGE EADY   says

SEPTEMBER 27, 2019 AT 2:04 PM

DOES ONE THINK THIS IA WHAT TRUMP WAS UP. TO GET THIS OPENED . I KNOW SONE DOES . I READ IT ON LIKE A TRUMP TRAP IS WHAT IT WAS CALLED . AND TO USE THE DNC TO OPEN THAT DOOR. WELL HELL THAT IS JEST SMART . I HAVE SEEN A FEW STORYS ON LINE THIS MORRING ABOUT CORRUPTION AND THE DEMCO-RATES . AND ALL I CAN SAY IS ( THEM JACKASSES )

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
1.3.3  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @1.3.2    2 weeks ago

Your point is that they are dumb? You have plenty of people who can't write or express themselves well in the democratic party. Many of them can't speak the language. Let's not play that game.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
1.3.4  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JohnRussell @1.3.2    2 weeks ago

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Dulay
1.3.5  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.3.1    2 weeks ago
It will be a pleasure. Sharyl Attkisson has been nice enough to compile them

Three irrelevant paragraphs by Shokin, about BEFORE he was fired in March 2016, that say NOTHING about the Burisma case being reopened. Try harder. 

 
 
 
 
Vic Eldred
1.4.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Split Personality @1.4    2 weeks ago

Thanks for the additional material

 
 
 
Split Personality
1.4.2  Split Personality  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.4.1    2 weeks ago

Your welcome.

In other words, John Solomon reported nothing new, he is just stirring his own pot.

Same stuff was discussed on NT in March and April as well as 2 weeks ago on 3 different Nerm_L seeds.

Nothing has changed,

except the regurgitation of opinions by the same believers...

the same old bait catching the same old fish.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
1.4.3  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Split Personality @1.4.2    2 weeks ago
the same old bait catching the same old fish.

So far no keepers. All the under size Solomon haters.

 
 
 
 
katrix
1.4.5  katrix  replied to  Split Personality @1.4.2    2 weeks ago
In other words, John Solomon reported nothing new, he is just stirring his own pot.

Amazing he could pull his head out of Hannity's ass long enough even to regurgitate his old conspiracy theories.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
1.4.6  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dulay @1.4.4    2 weeks ago

First off Daria Kaleniuk has a dog in the fight, dosen't she?  She is with AntAC. It is true, she contradicts Solomon and he contradicts her and the Obama administration.

We need to get to the bottom of that. Let's get to the truth.

 
 
 
Dulay
1.4.7  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.4.6    2 weeks ago
First off Daria Kaleniuk has a dog in the fight, dosen't she? 

Solomon doesn't?

How about Shokin?

Lutsenko? 

It is true, she contradicts Solomon

Yes she does, with facts. 

and he contradicts her and the Obama administration.

With innuendo and debunked bullshit. 

But hey, he's your fav...

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2  JohnRussell    2 weeks ago

Silly seed. 

Let's assume that John Solomon's "scoop"  has any validity. 

As Trump and company like to say , "so what"? 

Joe Biden's alleged interference took place in 2016, not 2019.  At the time Biden asked for the prosecutor to be fired there was no investigation of the gas company.  So in terms of Joe Bidens possible involvement , what does the fact that a new prosecutor may have been considering a new investigation have to with Joe Biden? Nothing.

As for Trump, he did what he did. He asked the president of a foreign country to investigate his election opponent.  It is abuse of his office as president. 

If Ukraine was already planning an investigation anyway and the US government knew it , that only makes Trump look like more of an idiot for bringing it up, not innocent. 

Its entirely humorous that Solomon and his dumbass audience at Fox News thinks this is a thing. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.1  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @2    2 weeks ago

By the way, I'm not suggesting that Solomon or Hannity's report is accurate. Solomon is a conspiracy theorist whose stories have been wrong or inaccurate many times. 

 
 
 
MUVA
2.1.1  MUVA  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1    2 weeks ago

You should post some examples of those stories.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
2.1.2  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1    2 weeks ago
I'm not suggesting that Solomon or Hannity's report is accurate.

We know - You did say "assuming the scoop had validity".

I think we will find out and if you are wrong in your little assessment of John Solomon I'll keep reminding you of the error of your way! jrSmiley_9_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.1.3  JohnRussell  replied to  MUVA @2.1.1    2 weeks ago

Why?

If you want to see them, you post them. But let's talk about this story that Hannity evidently creamed over. 

The seed says that Ukraine had opened an investigation of the gas company in February of this year.  

What the fock is wrong with Donald Trump then. The story says the US government knew that Ukraine had opened an investigation. What kind of moron then ASKS the president of Ukraine to investigate, thus triggering impeachment against himself, if he already knew that an investigation was underway? 

Obviously this makes no sense. 

So is Trump a total idiot or is Solomon/Hannity wrong? It has to be one or the other.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
2.1.4  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.3    2 weeks ago
Why? If you want to see them, you post them. But let's talk about this story that Hannity evidently creamed over. 

Then why smear Solomon as a conspiracy theorist if you are unwilling to support the smear?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.1.5  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.2    2 weeks ago

Vic, whether or not Ukraine is actually investigating the gas company is immaterial to Trump's impeachable offense. He can't ask for a foreign government to investigate his election opponent. It is abuse of office. 

Solomon and Hannity are acting as though this means something to impeachment. Even if the story is true, it doesnt. 

Fox and Solomon are bamboozlers. 

 
 
 
MUVA
2.1.6  MUVA  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.3    2 weeks ago

So do you have examples or not?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
2.1.7  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.5    2 weeks ago
the gas company is immaterial to Trump's impeachable offense.

If it's an impeachable offense why isn't the House filing Articles of Impeachment?

Solomon and Hannity are acting as though this means something to impeachment. Even if the story is true, it doesnt. 

It just means they want to share the scope of what went on in the Ukraine (starting in 2010) so everyone can understand how corrupt and vulnerable that country was and how tangled it was with American politics. There is a lot more to come.

Fox and Solomon are bamboozlers. 

Not good enough, John. You need to prove your case here.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.1.8  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.7    2 weeks ago

You are reduced to tap dancing in circles trying to defend this president*. 

Keep going and you might become a sympathetic figure . 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
2.1.9  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1    2 weeks ago
Solomon is a conspiracy theorist whose stories have been wrong or inaccurate many times

Shoot that messenger!!!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
2.1.10  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.8    2 weeks ago
You are reduced to tap dancing in circles trying to defend this president*. 

Oh, I know, You have so much damning evidence on him.....except you refuse to impeach...Why is that?

Who's dancing now?

 
 
 
Split Personality
 
 
Vic Eldred
2.1.12  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Split Personality @2.1.11    2 weeks ago

I think the so called Columbia Journalism Review has a lot of work to do if it intends to be the watchdog for good journalism. Have they condemned CNN and the New York Times for blatantly false stories or news organizations becoming part of the resistance?  I think that would be the starting point for any publication claiming to be concerned with the sad state of "journalism."

 
 
 
Split Personality
2.1.13  Split Personality  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.12    2 weeks ago

Solomon, left The Hill last week and is now officially a Fox News contributor.

He's proven to be be too conservative and extreme for AP, WAPO, The Hill, TWT and Circa.

If you want the spear tip of the right wing conspiracy theories, John's your man.

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2019/10/john-solomon-fox-news-donald-trump-ukraine-impeachment-sean-hannity/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/10/08/john-solomon-foisted-bogus-story-fox-news-viewers-his-punishment-contract/

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
2.2  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @2    2 weeks ago
It is abuse of his office as president. 

inappropriate yes - an abuse no!

If Ukraine was already planning an investigation anyway and the US government knew it , that only makes Trump look like more of an idiot for bringing it up, not innocent. 

It means the President was really asking the Ukraine to aid in a US investigation. What of your informer's omission?

Its entirely humorous that Solomon and his dumbass audience at Fox News thinks this is a thing. 

Somehow I knew you were going to say something like that!

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.2.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.2    2 weeks ago
It means the President was really asking the Ukraine to aid in a US investigation. What of your informer's omission?

Please show us your proof that the US government was investigating Joe Biden when Trump made his phone call. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
2.2.2  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @2.2.1    2 weeks ago
Please show us your proof that the US government was investigating Joe Biden when Trump made his phone call. 

I never made that claim. Ukraine was investigating (at various times) the gas company known as Burisma. Hunter Biden was being paid huge sums by Burisma. He was working for them back in 2014 & 2015 when the company was being investigated. That meant a conflict of interest for VP Joe Biden acting as point man for the Obama administration.

 
 
 
Dulay
2.2.3  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.2.2    2 weeks ago
He was working for them back in 2014 & 2015 when the company was being investigated.

Prove that there was an investigation into Burisma in 2014-2015. I'll wait. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
2.2.4  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dulay @2.2.3    2 weeks ago

Very well:

Biden served on the board of  Burisma Holdings , a major  Ukrainian   natural gas  producer, from 2014 to 2019. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter_Biden

In August 2014, the Office of the Prosecutor General (PGO) opened a criminal proceeding,” Buretta claimed, “Over the two years the PGO matter was open, no evidence was presented supporting any claim that Mr. Zlochevskyy had abused his position while in public office. In September 2016, the Pechersk District Court of the City of Kyiv concluded that no criminal procedures should be taken against Mr. Zlochevsky.”

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/05/13/burisma-lawyer-investigation-into-biden-company-continued-well-into-2016/




I hope I was quick enough. It was the first places I looked

 
 
 
Dulay
2.2.5  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.2.4    2 weeks ago
Very well:

When was the investigation reopened Vic? 

 
 
 
cjcold
2.2.6  cjcold  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.2.4    2 weeks ago

So one lying far right wing propaganda source backs up lies from another lying far right wing propaganda source. 

You'll have to do better than breitbart.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
2.2.7  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.2.4    2 weeks ago
"Biden served on the board of  Burisma Holdings , a major Ukrainian natural gas  producer, from 2014 to 2019." "In August 2014, the Office of the Prosecutor General (PGO) opened a criminal proceeding"

So Biden joined the board the same year a corruption investigation was started but he's supposed to be somehow part of the corruption being investigated from before he started working for them?

 
 
 
WallyW
2.3  WallyW  replied to  JohnRussell @2    2 weeks ago
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JohnRussell
2.3.1  JohnRussell  replied to  WallyW @2.3    2 weeks ago

He asked the president of a foreign country to investigate his election opponent.  It is abuse of his office as president. 

Why are you so confused? 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
2.3.2  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  WallyW @2.3    2 weeks ago

So true. I wonder if they will impeach???

 
 
 
lady in black
2.3.3  lady in black  replied to  WallyW @2.3    2 weeks ago

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1stwarrior
2.3.4  1stwarrior  replied to  JohnRussell @2.3.1    2 weeks ago

Since you have no FACTS John, how 'bout explaining how he "abused" his office as President of the U.S. to gain information about ANY U.S. citizen conducting business with a foreign country.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
2.3.5  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @2.3.1    2 weeks ago
He asked the president of a foreign country to investigate his election opponent.  It is abuse of his office as president.  Why are you so confused? 

As I said, it may be inappropriate but not an abuse. How do I know that?  Because Bill Clinton did it openly as president:

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Clinton Presidential Library screengrab, page 462


“This is Bill Clinton, and I’m quoting: ‘In a political season, it would be big over here to get this open sore resolved. If you could have somebody take a look at it.’ Tony Blair responded that he would.”

https://infactly.com/2019/10/08/bill-clinton-asked-uks-tony-blair-to-take-a-look-at-fixing-problem-during-2000-political-season-document/

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.3.6  JohnRussell  replied to  1stwarrior @2.3.4    2 weeks ago

I'm not going to reply to such an inane question. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
2.3.7  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @2.3.6    2 weeks ago

Can't you support any of your claims?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.3.8  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.3.5    2 weeks ago

If you have something you want people to look at then post it.  I'm not going to go through a 532 page pdf trying to find the passage you are referring to. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.3.9  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.3.7    2 weeks ago

1st warrior is claiming it is ok for Trump to ask Ukraine to investigate Biden. It's not.  There is nothing else to say about that aspect. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
2.3.10  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @2.3.9    2 weeks ago
It's not. 

It's inappropriate.

There is nothing else to say about that aspect. 

Nope, except to see how far Nancy Pelosi is really going to go with nothing but that!

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
2.3.11  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JohnRussell @2.3.8    2 weeks ago

Excerpt in this article. 

https://www.dailywire.com/news/flashback-bill-clinton-asked-british-pm-tony-blair-for-help-during-political-season?%3Futm_source=twitter

And it isn't hard to find if you know the date. February 8, 2000 11:15-11:42 phone call. All you have to do is scroll 3/4 of the way down and **POOF** there it is.

This may help..........remember, quick scroll.

https://clinton.presidentiallibraries.us/items/show/48779

 
 
 
1stwarrior
2.3.12  1stwarrior  replied to  JohnRussell @2.3.9    2 weeks ago

"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

ARTICLE II, SECTION 1, CLAUSE 8

OK John - WHERE in that oath does it say that the President can not ask foreign leaders for assistance in defrocking people who have/are abusing their office for personal gain???  

You do know what personal gain is, right?

personal gain  noun

a benefit or advantage that relates to a particular person rather than to a business, group or an organization etc. -

     A particular person who just happens to be the son of the former Vice President of the U.S. while said former Vice President of the U.S. was, in fact, the Vice President of the U.S. and who "THREATENED" to cut funding to the country if they didn't, as he implied, hire HIS SON - a drug addict, -

     B y February of 2014, Hunter was discharged from the Navy for testing positive for cocaine - dishonorable discharge.  In October 2015, Hunter separated from his wife Kathleen. She filed for divorce in 2016 , and in paperwork complained that Hunter had been “spending extravagantly on his own interests including drugs, alcohol, prostitutes, strip clubs, and gifts for women with whom he has sexual relations.”

     Back in 2014 after a change of regime in Ukraine, Hunter Biden joined the board of a scandal-plagued Ukrainian natural gas company named Burisma. Hunter had no apparent qualifications for the job except that his father was the vice president and involved in the Obama administration’s Ukraine policy.

Please - show all of us exactly where it makes the statement of not asking for assistance.

 
 
 
Dulay
2.3.13  Dulay  replied to  1stwarrior @2.3.4    2 weeks ago
Since you have no FACTS John, how 'bout explaining how he "abused" his office as President of the U.S. to gain information about ANY U.S. citizen conducting business with a foreign country.

Trump said it on LIVE TV. How much more proof do you need? 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
2.3.14  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Dulay @2.3.13    2 weeks ago

He "asked" no one. He said they should. Suggested.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.3.15  JohnRussell  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.3.11    2 weeks ago
Clinton :  Yesterday, I met with some cabinet members and Rodney Slater said we put some more ideas down to resolve the airport dispute we have with British Airways, USAir and American Airlines.  Would you take another look at that and see if we can get it done?

Blair:  I’m not completely familiar with that.

Clinton:  I know you’re up to your ears in other things but we’ve been dealing with this for years and it’s sort of a big deal here.  Rodney told me he put some more stuff down on the table.  In a political season, it would be big over here to get this open sore resolved.  If you could have somebody take a look at it.  I have never seen him more agitated about anything.  He is just trying to get it resolved.

Blair: Sure, I will have a look.

That is a smoking gun? About what? 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
2.3.16  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @2.3.15    2 weeks ago

As Adam Schiff would say there is "direct evidence" of a president asking a foreign leader for something during a "political season"!

 
 
 
Dulay
2.3.17  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.3.5    2 weeks ago

https://clinton.presidentiallibraries.us/files/original/5aa4876f138a60330e869d23b372880d.pdf

The President: Let me ask you something on a much more mundane issue.  Yesterday, I met with some cabinet members and Rodney Slater said we put some more ideas down to resolve the airport dispute we have with British Airways, USAIR and American Airlines. Would you take another look at that and see if we can get it done?

Prime Minister Blair: I'm not completely familiar with that. (C) 

The President: I know you're up to your ears in other things but we've been dealing with this for years and it's sort of a big deal here. Rodney told me he put some more stuff down on the table. In a political season, it would be big over here to _ get this open sore resolved. If you could have somebody take a look at it. I have never seen him more agitated about anything. He is just trying to get it resolved. 

So Vic, please tell me how Clinton was going to personally benefit from the above ariport dispute being resolved.

Oh and it would also be great if you could prove that there was a quid pro quo since that what's being insisted my Trump now. No quid pro quo, no issue right? 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
2.3.18  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dulay @2.3.17    2 weeks ago
So Vic, please tell me how Clinton was going to personally benefit from the above ariport dispute being resolved.

Did you miss the words "In a political season, it would be big over here to"?  Suddenly you are completely oblivious to a straight forward statement.

Oh and it would also be great if you could prove that there was a quid pro quo since that what's being insisted my Trump now. 

I don't think you get it. Nobody claimed that Clinton provided a quid pro quo. The claim was that Clinton did the exact same thing Trump did - simply asking a foreign leader for a favor during an election!


No quid pro quo, no issue right? 

It took you a long time, but you may be getting it!

 
 
 
Dulay
2.3.19  Dulay  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.3.14    2 weeks ago
He "asked" no one. He said they should. Suggested.

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katrix
2.3.20  katrix  replied to  JohnRussell @2.3.15    2 weeks ago
That is a smoking gun? About what? 

Apparently Solomon claimed that British Airways was going to run for President against Clinton, so that means Clinton was asking the UK to investigate a political rival.

 
 
 
Dulay
2.3.21  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.3.18    2 weeks ago
Did you miss the words "In a political season, it would be big over here to"? 

No. 

Suddenly you are completely oblivious to a straight forward statement.

Actually Vic, it looks like you are completely oblivious to a straight forward question. 

Clinton is asking Blair to help resolve an ongoing transportation issue that will help both the UK and the US. 

Resolving that issue would be mutually beneficial AND just might look good politically too. The political part is a bonus, NOT the motivation. 

I don't think you get it. Nobody claimed that Clinton provided a quid pro quo.

I get it just fine. Just asking about the quid pro quo since the GOP seems to think it's so important. 

The claim was that Clinton did the exact same thing Trump did - simply asking a foreign leader for a favor during an election!

But that isn't what you claimed Vic. This is the comment you replied to:

He asked the president of a foreign country to investigate his election opponent.  It is abuse of his office as president.  Why are you so confused?  

Then you said:


As I said, it may be inappropriate but not an abuse. How do I know that?  Because Bill Clinton did it openly as president:

BUTT Clinton DIDN'T as a foreign country to investigate his election opponent, DID he Vic? 

Please post something that isn't a false equivalency or a strawmen argument.

It took you a long time, but you may be getting it!

Bait taken hook, line and sinker.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
2.3.22  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Dulay @2.3.19    2 weeks ago

What's so funny? WHERE did he ask

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
2.3.23  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Dulay @2.3.21    2 weeks ago
Resolving that issue would be mutually beneficial AND just might look good politically too. The political part is a bonus, NOT the motivation.

It wasn't necessarily a bonus for Blair who wasn't up for re-election until 2001 and the conversation took place in February, 2000. Now, who was it going to make look good again? Clinton and by proxy, Gore.

 
 
 
Dulay
2.3.24  Dulay  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.3.23    2 weeks ago
Now, who was it going to make look good again? Clinton and by proxy, Gore.

You'd have to acknowledge that making someone look good by fixing a mutual problem is totally different from asking that an investigation be opened against your political rival.

Since you won't, it's moot. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.3.25  JohnRussell  replied to  Dulay @2.3.19    2 weeks ago

Their "arguments" are pathetic and laughable. 

This is what we are enduring in this country right now. God help us. 

 
 
 
1stwarrior
2.3.26  1stwarrior  replied to  Dulay @2.3.13    2 weeks ago

Show all of us Dulay, where he said on LIVE TV, that he had abused his powers as President.

 
 
 
JBB
3  JBB    2 weeks ago

OH COME ON! If Ukraine was already doing exactly what Trump wanted don't you think it would have come up in some of those hundreds of texts and phone calls between Trump's minions and their counterparts in Ukraine regarding exactly that?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
3.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  JBB @3    2 weeks ago
OH COME ON! If Ukraine was already doing exactly what Trump wanted

It would explain his request as simply asking the Ukraine to cooperate. I know you don't like that idea.

 
 
 
JBB
3.1.1  JBB  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1    2 weeks ago

We have the texts and that explicitly was not what Trump asked...

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
3.1.2  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  JBB @3.1.1    2 weeks ago

I see... you are sticking to exact words without any implications! Good I'm for that. Therefore, there clearly was NO QUID PRO QUO!

 
 
 
JohnRussell
3.1.3  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1    2 weeks ago
It would explain his request as simply asking the Ukraine to cooperate. I know you don't like that idea.

This makes absolutely no sense. Are you trying to bamboozle everyone too Vic? 

The seed does not say that the US was investigating the gas company , it says Ukraine was.  So Trump was asking the president of Ukraine to co-operate with Ukraine? 

This whole thread is borderline gaslighting. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
3.1.4  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.3    2 weeks ago
So Trump was asking the president of Ukraine to co-operate with Ukraine? 

Don't look now but your'e actually making a point. Very good John.
Here is my answer:
The President was asking that the Ukrainian president consider all the implications of that investigation, specifically that Joe Biden, as Barack Obama’s vice president, pushed for and secured the removal of a prosecutor who had authority to investigate the oligarch who ran the company and that would mean YES he co-operate in that way with the Ukrainian investigation.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
3.1.5  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.4    2 weeks ago

Holy shit. You are convoluting your previous convolutions. lol. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
3.1.6  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.5    2 weeks ago

You kind of restricted me to the seed not mentioning US investigations. You do know that John Durham is conducting an investigation that involves quite a few countries, including the Ukraine. Trump wanted cooperation on that too, but I narrowed it for you. It was a tight box, but I did it. Like the talented leader of the US Senate - I DID IT AGAIN!

 
 
 
JohnRussell
3.1.7  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.6    2 weeks ago

So now you are including Biden in your fantasies about the origins of the Russian investigation? 

 
 
 
jungkonservativ111
4  jungkonservativ111    2 weeks ago

More pie in the liberal's faces. You would think they would learn and just stop with the Trump hate. Maybe beef up their policy positions a little, or a lot if they would like to win. Instead, they insist on providing non-stop comedy for the rest of us and guaranteeing Trump's win in 2020.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
4.1  JohnRussell  replied to  jungkonservativ111 @4    2 weeks ago

Nice content free comment.  Keep it going. 

 
 
 
squiggy
4.1.1  squiggy  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1    2 weeks ago
This whole thread is borderline gaslighting. 

Well ?

 
 
 
†hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh
5  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh    2 weeks ago

It's sad to see the desperate attempts to promote false narratives and fake news. The Russian hoax attempt 2.0 was a quick fail.

Next up. Trump is the anti-Christ articles of impeachment with the pope as the star witness.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
5.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh @5    2 weeks ago

They want to impeach the President of the United States, but don't want to release any details.

 
 
 
†hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh
5.1.1  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1    2 weeks ago

It's a smoke and mirrors show to minimize the impact of the investigation into the biggest corruption scandal in US history, the Russia Hoax.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
5.1.2  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh @5.1.1    2 weeks ago

A show that comes to a dramatic end when John Durham concludes his investigation.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
5.2  JohnRussell  replied to  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh @5    2 weeks ago

Put the bong down son. 

 
 
 
†hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh
5.2.1  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh  replied to  JohnRussell @5.2    2 weeks ago

Remember you gave me the one you smoked for 3 years with the fake Russia Hoax. Thanks, It works great.

 
 
 
Tessylo
5.2.2  Tessylo  replied to  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh @5.2.1    2 weeks ago

But you're not supposed to smoke PCP in it.  

 
 
 
†hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh
5.2.3  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh  replied to  Tessylo @5.2.2    2 weeks ago

I heard PCP causes......

384

 
 
 
Tessylo
5.2.4  Tessylo  replied to  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh @5.2.3    2 weeks ago

That tired ass meme?  YAWN

 
 
 
It Is ME
5.2.5  It Is ME  replied to  Tessylo @5.2.4    2 weeks ago
YAWN

Nap time ?

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
5.2.6  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh @5.2.1    2 weeks ago
the one you smoked for 3 years with the fake Russia Hoax.

What "fake Russian Hoax"? I keep hearing this term used, yet we know definitively that Russian did in fact hack 22 State voter databases, illegally stole private US citizen emails and released them publicly in an attempt to swing a national election in their chosen candidates favor, spent $1.25 million a month on fake ads and fake social media alerts, all because they believed that Trump would reward them by removing sanctions and killing the Magnitsky act.

“President Putin, did you want President Trump to win the election and did you direct any of your officials to help him do that?” - reporter Jeff Mason

“Yes, I did. Yes, I did. Because he talked about bringing the U.S.–Russia relationship back to normal.” - Vladimir Putin

Hoax: noun - a humorous or malicious deception.

I suppose one could define Russia's actions as a "malicious deception", the target of which were the American people, so in that way it could be defined as a "hoax". But that's a hoax against the American people as Trump supporting Russian surrogates spread lies about one political party in an effort to benefit the opposing party with the intent of gaining some benefit from the party they helped. Pointing those details out about an enemy foreign government directly interfering in our elections certainly isn't a hoax, those are irrefutable facts that just happen to be inconvenient for the party that was helped which is why so many of them whine and screech about the facts and proclaim anything that reveals the truth about them must be "a hoax!".

 
 
 
†hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh
5.2.7  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh  replied to  Tessylo @5.2.4    2 weeks ago

384

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
6  Dismayed Patriot    2 weeks ago

So did the documents say anything about Hunter Biden being investigated? I saw nothing in the Fox News story or their psychotically partisan pundit John Solomon's claims that detail any wrongdoing by Hunter Biden or by some bizarre stretch, his father. So far they have presented zero evidence that anyone did anything wrong, all this amounts to so far is that the most recent Ukrainian administration is investigating claims of corruption from the former administration and are investigating a Ukrainian business. I'm really not sure why so many Republicans seem giddy at this, I guess it's all their hopes and fantasies that somehow it could taint one of their possible political opponents. It doesn't seem at all as if they're concerned over rooting out actual corruption in a foreign government. If they cared at all about that they would be demanding the investigation of virtually every Russian business and oligarch. Just more unmitigated hypocrisy from the right. So far, the request to focus any investigation on Biden came only from our President and his obsequious minions with the direct intent of getting dirt on a political rival.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
6.1  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @6    2 weeks ago

The company, Burisma, was under investigation. Hunter Biden was making an exorbitant amount of money for nothing. And you don't think THAT fact would have come out as a part of a corruption investigation?

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As said on another thread, Biden is NOT running against Trump. Biden is fighting for his life against 9 other candidates at this point and may NEVER face Trump in an election.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
6.1.1  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @6.1    2 weeks ago
Hunter Biden was making an exorbitant amount of money for nothing

You have proof of this?

The average total cash compensation for oil and gas exploration executives is $594,752.

https://www.salary.com/research/salary/benchmark/top-exploration-executive-salary

The claim is that Hunter Biden was paid $600,000 a year, so not really that far outside the average oil and gas exploration executive pay.

Claiming he didn't deserve it and thus it must be corruption is pure opinion. Could the company been thinking of his possible political connections when they hired him? Yes, of course they did, just like so many other oil and gas companies hire their well connected lobbyists from both sides of the political aisle.

So either show some evidence of corruption or get back to the real corruption we do have evidence of, a sitting President withholding congressionally approved military funding for an ally in an attempt to coerce them to dig up dirt on a political opponent even though they have zero evidence of any wrongdoing by Joe Biden. If they did have evidence they would be shouting it from the rooftops. Instead, they're demanding a foreign government produce some dirt on their behalf or else.

 
 
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