Freedom in the Crosshairs: Why Religious Liberty Must Prevail

  
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Freedom in the Crosshairs: Why Religious Liberty Must Prevail
74 percent identified with a faith system; only four percent as atheist. The Constitution does not allow any special interest group to use the state to abrogate freedoms they don’t like, and nothing in our representative democracy gives a tyrannical minority permission to stick its nose into other people’s freedoms.

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In their masterful crafting of the  First Amendment  to the Constitution and its free exercise of religion clause, the Founders ensured that our faith could inform our politics but our government could never influence our faith.

Yet in recent weeks, our president felt compelled to give a powerful address on the sanctity of religious freedom in America and around the globe and a presidential  candidate  called for the repeal of tax exemption status for churches that disagree with his policy preferences.

A war on religious liberty is being aggressively waged against Americans of all faiths by coercive secular progressives tying their future political power to stripping citizens of their first constitutional right. As President Trump noted in his  September address at the United Nations , “No right is more fundamental … than the right to follow one’s religious convictions. Too often, people in positions of power preach diversity while silencing, shunning, or censoring the faithful.”

The destruction of religious freedom creates an environment for the erosion of other freedoms. The case against the anti-faith agenda has three underlying constructs—inherent contradictions in its position, the value of faith communities to society, and the Constitution itself.

The First Amendment states, “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.” It put the right to worship (or not worship) before freedoms of speech, press, assembly and petition.

Secularists demand “separations of church and state,” a clause that appears nowhere in U.S. law, but in an  1802 letter  Thomas Jefferson wrote emphasizing that faith resides between a person and God with no interference from the state. Perhaps if Jefferson wrote “protecting the church from the state” progressives would be marginally less eager to manipulate its meaning for their self-serving ends.

Neither those elected to run the government nor the activist class have any right or authority to impose their religious or non-religious will on others. This is the inarguable meaning and application of the clause.

The ridiculous hypocrisy of the left’s version of “separating” church from state is stark. Removing charitable tax exemption from churches that don’t meet the same-sex marriage policy demands of candidate O’Rourke and other progressives is the opposite of separating church and state. It would instead combine them. Taxing churches ties them to Congress, the judiciary, IRS and U.S. Treasury, making people of faith subject to the whims of political parties, activists and revenue collection agencies.

And what next? Vegans taxing churches that serve beef in soup kitchens? Climate change activists insisting on removing charity status from synagogues without solar panels?

The personal beliefs of individuals, based on their religious texts and doctrines, determine the positions of churches. A church that favors traditional marriage can be directly across the street from one that embraces same-sex marriage. No one forces anyone to attend or not attend either; at least not yet.

Progressives and Mr. O’Rourke should seriously consider the harm they would do to people in need by denying churches tax exemption. Houses of Worship serve critical roles in meeting community and individual needs that government does not. Churches have always been designated charities by our government because they are charities.

A short list of services regularly provided include meals for the poor and homeless, shelter, clothing, utility payments, mental health counseling, disability and prison ministry, and ESL classes. The value of social services provided by churches is estimated in the billions. That does not include decreasing societal and financial welfare costs when lives are transformed by faith and people turn away from crime, substance abuse or suicide. With no exemption, funding is automatically decreased by 30 percent.

Donations to churches for assistance programs come directly from congregants who have already been taxed at least once by the federal government. Their giving comes from what is left over after government takes its bite out of their income and they should not be subject to double or triple taxation. 

Every April, people rely on charitable tax deductions. Making churches non-tax exempt would result in less giving, depriving important church programs of operational funds. Secular bullies seem willing to sacrifice the welfare of people in need to punish religious institutions for exercising their Constitutional right to make religious decisions. 

In Pew Research Center’s  October 2019 report  on American religious affiliation, 74 percent identified with a faith system; only four percent as atheist. The Constitution does not allow any special interest group to use the state to abrogate freedoms they don’t like, and nothing in our representative democracy gives a tyrannical minority permission to stick its nose into other people’s freedoms. 

Anyone who values any of their individual rights must understand an attack on one is an attack on all. Take a stand: embrace the Constitution, celebrate freedom, practice tolerance, love your neighbor.

Kerri Toloczko is a Senior Fellow with The American Civil Rights Union, a  non-partisan, non-profit public policy organization dedicated to protecting the constitutionally-protected civil rights of all Americans.  




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Heartland American
1  seeder  Heartland American    3 weeks ago

Progressives and Mr. O’Rourke should seriously consider the harm they would do to people in need by denying churches tax exemption. Houses of Worship serve critical roles in meeting community and individual needs that government does not. Churches have always been designated charities by our government because they are charities.

A short list of services regularly provided include meals for the poor and homeless, shelter, clothing, utility payments, mental health counseling, disability and prison ministry, and ESL classes. The value of social services provided by churches is estimated in the billions. That does not include decreasing societal and financial welfare costs when lives are transformed by faith and people turn away from crime, substance abuse or suicide. With no exemption, funding is automatically decreased by 30 percent.

Donations to churches for assistance programs come directly from congregants who have already been taxed at least once by the federal government. Their giving comes from what is left over after government takes its bite out of their income and they should not be subject to double or triple taxation. 

Every April, people rely on charitable tax deductions. Making churches non-tax exempt would result in less giving, depriving important church programs of operational funds. Secular bullies seem willing to sacrifice the welfare of people in need to punish religious institutions for exercising their Constitutional right to make religious decisions. 

https://thenewstalkers.com/vic-eldred/group_discuss/7154/freedom-in-the-crosshairs-why-religious-liberty-must-prevail

 
 
 
Gordy327
1.1  Gordy327  replied to  Heartland American @1    3 weeks ago
Houses of Worship serve critical roles in meeting community and individual needs that government does not. Churches have always been designated charities by our government because they are charities.

That's great. As long as they don't get political, then there's no problem. 

"If churches want to play the game of politics, let them pay admission like everyone else." ---George Carlin

 
 
 
devangelical
1.2  devangelical  replied to  Heartland American @1    3 weeks ago
nothing in our representative democracy gives a tyrannical minority permission to stick its nose into other people’s freedoms

exactly. get a clue bible thumpers.

 
 
 
Heartland American
1.2.1  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  devangelical @1.2    3 weeks ago

74 percent identified with a faith system; only four percent as atheist. The Constitution does not allow any special interest group to use the state to abrogate freedoms they don’t like, and nothing in our representative democracy gives a tyrannical minority permission to stick its nose into other people’s freedoms. 

Anyone who values any of their individual rights must understand an attack on one is an attack on all.  https://thenewstalkers.com/vic-eldred/group_discuss/7154/freedom-in-the-crosshairs-why-religious-liberty-must-prevail#cm1188994

 
 
 
lady in black
2  lady in black    3 weeks ago

The Supreme Court disagrees:

https://www.foxnews.com/faith-values/supreme-court-rejects-case-of-christian-teen-forced-to-write-islamic-conversion-prayer

Supreme Court rejects case of Christian teen forced to write Islamic conversion prayer

 
 
 
lady in black
3  lady in black    3 weeks ago

Yes, there should always and forever be separation of church and state, don't like and want a theocracy, move to the middle east

 
 
 
Gordy327
3.1  Gordy327  replied to  lady in black @3    3 weeks ago

"I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death." --- George Carlin

 
 
 
charger 383
3.1.1  charger 383  replied to  Gordy327 @3.1    3 weeks ago

I like that one

 
 
 
JBB
3.1.2  JBB  replied to  charger 383 @3.1.1    3 weeks ago

At some point you thought it all out for yourself and came around to a more progress perspective on reproductive freedom and religious separation. Keep that libersl thinking up and you just might eventually come all the way around to my way of thinking.

The next step is getting you to see that Supply Side "Voodoo" Economics is a fairy tale, also. It is pure bullshit! Economics is just math. We could balance our budget and provide for the health, welfare and security of all Americans if we just had the political will to do so. Voodoo Trickle Down Supply Side Craponomics will never ever really work. All it does is bankrupt the government and saddle us all with mountains of superfluous worthless paper debt. We cannot balance our government's books while starving our government's coffers at the same damn time. 

If government was just off the books as far as working people's payroll go so working people did not falsely believe they were personally being raped financially for basic government services we could do anything. It the Egyptian could building the Pyramids 5,000 years ago and if Americans built the Hoover Dam in the middle of The Great Depression why are we doing bupkiss?

Just think about it. When we finall quit basing public and tax policy decisions on stone age myths and superstitious fairy tales our whole world will expand!

 
 
 
Heartland American
3.1.3  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  JBB @3.1.2    3 weeks ago

Though the evidence is mounting that the strategy is ineffective and unpopular, the Democratic Party seems generally committed to making it clear that people of faith are not welcome in their vision of America.

Several items in recent years are worth recalling. 

First, in 2012, the party removed the word “God” from its platform.

The Obama administration spent years controversially embroiled in ham-handed attempts to force religious groups to conform to the party’s secular agenda on birth control and abortion, losing court case after court case on religious freedom grounds. 

In the 2016 general election, WikiLeaks revealed the glib manner in which John Podesta and others in the Clinton campaign sought to reshape the Catholic Church for their political purposes, which shocked many voters. They hoped to move Catholic teaching away from its longstanding doctrine to provide an advantage for the Democrats politically.  

It seems that things haven’t changed much. Two presidential candidates expected to be in the top tier have recently and outspokenly attacked people of faith – and neither has gained the traction expected. 

Sen. Kamala Harris should have been a contender for the Democratic nomination, but she has consistently polled in the single digits. Just prior to her candidacy, Harris suffered a self-inflicted wound. Her ill-fated attack on a judicial nominee for his membership in the Knights of Columbus, a mainstream Catholic charitable group, created a national firestorm that has undermined her candidacy. 

Beto O’Rourke, who came within an eyelash of defeating Ted Cruz for a Senate seat in deep-red Texas, has also failed to get any traction. His desire to eliminate tax exemptions for church groups that don’t toe the party line on social issues shows a totalitarian impulse that will not help his candidacy or the Democratic Party more broadly. 

A candidate expected to be in the second or third tier, Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard, is the one candidate in the entire Democratic primary who has pushed back against her party’s blind hostility to people of faith and its complete embrace of the abortion-up-until-birth lobby. As a result, she – not the candidate who honeymooned in the Soviet Union – has fallen victim to the specter of Saul Alinsky’s pen pal Hillary Clinton calling her a “Russian agent.” 

Though poll after poll shows that neither abortion up until birth nor assaults on American’s First Amendment religious freedom rights are popular, the Democrats seem unwilling to learn. 

Now these bad ideas have taken on a local flavor. 

In California earlier this year, Democrats at the state level tried to pass legislation to force priests to break the seal of confession – something utterly sacrosanct to Catholics and Orthodox Christians. Not surprisingly, a backlash from these groups and those of many other faiths ensued. width="300" height="250"> Similar legislation is now being proposed in Wisconsin. All three sponsors of the bill are all Democrats. It’s not just the sacrament of confession that is being targeted either. In Colorado, a Democrat-controlled bicameral taxation committee is looking into legislation that would subject churches to a “sin tax” on altar wine – something that would affect Catholics and others. They are also looking into placing a premium tax on fraternal insurance companies – mainly religiously affiliated groups like the Baptist Life Association, the Knights of Columbus (Catholic), the Thrivent (Christian, predominately Lutheran) width="300" height="250"> Leading the committee is Rep. Adrienne Benavidez – who in 2017 voted against a bill guaranteeing religious freedom rights for Coloradans. One wonders how far the Democrats can go on with this war on faith. How long until the black churches, mosques, synagogues and Hispanic parishes upon which the party depends say “enough.” The 2016 election showed the perils of the Democrats’ approach, but so far, at least, the lesson has not been learned.    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2019/10/26/the_democrats_misguided_war_on_faith__141590.html

 
 
 
Heartland American
3.2  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  lady in black @3    3 weeks ago

A war on religious liberty is being aggressively waged against Americans of all faiths by coercive secular progressives tying their future political power to stripping citizens of their first constitutional right. As President Trump noted in his   September address at the United Nations  , “No right is more fundamental … than the right to follow one’s religious convictions. Too often, people in positions of power preach diversity while silencing, shunning, or censoring the faithful.”

The destruction of religious freedom creates an environment for the erosion of other freedoms. The case against the anti-faith agenda has three underlying constructs—inherent contradictions in its position, the value of faith communities to society, and the Constitution itself.

The First Amendment states, “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.” It put the right to worship (or not worship) before freedoms of speech, press, assembly and petition.   https://thenewstalkers.com/vic-eldred/group_discuss/7154/freedom-in-the-crosshairs-why-religious-liberty-must-prevail#cm1188994

 
 
 
lady in black
3.2.1  lady in black  replied to  Heartland American @3.2    3 weeks ago

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Heartland American
3.2.2  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  lady in black @3.2.1    3 weeks ago

A war on religious liberty is being aggressively waged against Americans of all faiths by coercive secular progressives tying their future political power to stripping citizens of their first constitutional right. As President Trump noted in his   September address at the United Nations  , “No right is more fundamental … than the right to follow one’s religious convictions. Too often, people in positions of power preach diversity while silencing, shunning, or censoring the faithful.”

The destruction of religious freedom creates an environment for the erosion of other freedoms. https://thenewstalkers.com/vic-eldred/group_discuss/7154/freedom-in-the-crosshairs-why-religious-liberty-must-prevail#cm1189083

 
 
 
lady in black
3.2.3  lady in black  replied to  Heartland American @3.2.2    3 weeks ago

Faux war 

 
 
 
Heartland American
3.2.4  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  lady in black @3.2.3    3 weeks ago

...We hope that the Justice Department stands its ground. The attorney general’s remarks at Notre Dame are one of the most important statements of support that religious Americans have had at a time when a campaign is underway to cast religion as a cover for bigotry. We are in a time when the left seeks to intimidate those who would cast religion as an inherently good thing for America.

The complaint against Mr. Barr, from a group called Faithful America, faults him for quoting John Adams. It was the second president who said: “We have no government armed with the power which is capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate for the government of any other.”

The point Messrs. Adams and Barr were making is not that atheists be excluded from society. It is rather that without religion, not even our Constitution could keep human passions under control. Were religion banned or circumscribed, the result would be anarchy. “This Adams quotation,” says the complaint filed against Mr. Barr “is a personal opinion rather than binding Constitutional interpretation.”

Even were that true, what of it? The fact is that the opinion shared by Mr. Barr and John Adams was shared by nearly all of the Founding Fathers, including most pointedly George Washington. He made the point in his  Farewell Address . “Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity,” Washington said, “religion and morality are indispensable supports.”

No man could “claim the tribute of patriotism,” Washington averred, if he sought to “subvert” religion and morality. “The mere politician, equally with the pious man, ought to respect and to cherish them.” He suggested that neither our property, reputations, or lives would be secure were “the sense of religious obligation” to “desert the oaths which are the instruments of investigation in courts of justice.”

Then the famous words: “Let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle.”

The words are prophetic, which we know from the last century, when the rise of Soviet Union and the other communist states, where religion was excluded as a matter of socialist law, emerged as what President Reagan called an “evil empire” that snuffed out the liberty of believers and non-believers alike.

The communist states turned against all religious persons — Jews and Moslems and others as well as Christians. That history is out there to mock any claim that Mr. Barr is seeking but to promote the establishment of Christianity. The First Amendment prohibits Congress from making any law respecting an establishment of religion. It was worded that way to protect against disestablishment, too.

Attorney General Barr is hardly the first in our time to have made the points he made at Notre Dame. Few, though, have put the issue as eloquently as Mr. Barr did. He put the Justice Department precisely where the results of the 2016 presidential campaign signaled America wants it to be.... https://www.nysun.com/editorials/bill-barrs-point-about-religion-is-underscored-by/90884/

 
 
 
lady in black
3.2.5  lady in black  replied to  Heartland American @3.2.4    3 weeks ago

Blah, blah, blah. barr is a hack

 
 
 
Heartland American
3.2.6  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  lady in black @3.2.5    3 weeks ago

The New York Sun article got it exactly right.  As for Barr, he’s a great American and an awesome advocate for both religious liberty and law and order.   

 
 
 
lady in black
3.2.7  lady in black  replied to  Heartland American @3.2.6    3 weeks ago

Nope, Barr is another faux christian hack

 
 
 
Heartland American
3.2.8  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  lady in black @3.2.7    3 weeks ago

And who died and made you a god who could sit in judgement over whether one is a real Christian and how their/our beliefs political or religious make us “hacks”?  Just who do you think you are to do that?  

 
 
 
Heartland American
3.2.9  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  lady in black @3.2.3    3 weeks ago

Merry Christmas! 🎁🎄 

 
 
 
lady in black
3.2.10  lady in black  replied to  Heartland American @3.2.9    3 weeks ago

Happy Halloween

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Happy Thanksgiving

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Merry Christmas

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Happy New Year

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Happy Easter

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lady in black
3.2.11  lady in black  replied to  Heartland American @3.2.8    3 weeks ago

Funny coming from you who judges others because they are different than you, worship a different God from you, or worship no  God at all.  Some, like me, choose to keep our religious beliefs to ourselves and not throw it out their for political reasons.

Did you think you were going to offend me by wishing me a Merry Christmas, once again you don't know me personally yet you tried to judge me

 
 
 
pat wilson
3.2.12  pat wilson  replied to  Heartland American @3.2.8    3 weeks ago

Ask yourself the same question.

 
 
 
Heartland American
3.2.13  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  pat wilson @3.2.12    3 weeks ago

I never sit in judgement over matters that belong to God to decide.  My religious beliefs and worship is totally separate from politics.  I never speak for anyone but myself when it comes to political beliefs I have.  My political beliefs on social issues are comparable to generic evangelical Protestant stated beliefs as well as social conservatives on most but not all issues.  There are people of all political persuasions in church and thus why politics are not discussed from the pulpit unless it directly affects a doctrinal belief.  The church is about spreading the good news to the whole world so that the end may come soon, not to create a political so called Heaven on earth.  That detracts from the real soul saving mission.  That I as a social conservative on some issues for secular political reasons or generic religious liberty matters doesn’t mean  that I speak for my church on those matters.  

 
 
 
Heartland American
3.2.14  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  lady in black @3.2.11    3 weeks ago

Nope.  I was simple bringing up another very real secular progressive war that your side often denies reality and wrongly calls it faux.  

 
 
 
lady in black
3.2.15  lady in black  replied to  Heartland American @3.2.14    3 weeks ago

Yes, you were being judgmental and out to offend, without knowing that yes, I say Merry Christmas. 

 
 
 
Gordy327
3.2.16  Gordy327  replied to  lady in black @3.2.10    2 weeks ago
Happy Halloween

Arguably the best time of year. October is possibly the best month of the year too.

 
 
 
Heartland American
3.2.17  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  Gordy327 @3.2.16    2 weeks ago

Halloween is a satanic holiday in my opinion.  

 
 
 
Gordy327
3.2.18  Gordy327  replied to  Heartland American @3.2.17    2 weeks ago
Halloween is a satanic holiday in my opinion.  

Your opinion (such as it is) is noted, ignorantly erroneous, and ignored.

Halloween should be declared a national holiday. Regardless, it is one of the more fun ones.

 
 
 
Heartland American
3.2.19  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  Gordy327 @3.2.18    2 weeks ago

Halloween and its roots in witchcraft and Druidic paganism are undeniable. When we examine the history of Halloween, one thing we find out very quickly is that it is based on the ancient pagan religion of the Celtics in Northern Ireland and their celebration of the festival of the dead, known as  Samhain . In Northern Ireland, a class of ruthless priests known as the Druids ruled Northern Ireland through  occult  terror and human sacrifice for centuries.

According to Ronald Hutton in  The Stations of the Sun: A History of the Ritual Year in Britain , ‘Samhain’ referred to Celtic Halloween customs all the way up until the 19th century (Hutton, Ronald,  The Stations of the Sun: A History of the Ritual Year in Britain , New York: Oxford University Press, 1996, p. 369)

Today, Ireland celebrates Halloween with fireworks displays and is the only nation on earth that recognizes Halloween as a national holiday. Children in Ireland are given a week off from school for its observance.

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Druid Festival of the Dead

Halloween, as we know it today, is a modernized version of the Druidic festival of the dead. The powerful Druid priests were deemed kings of the occult practitioners, and were known for worshipping evil spirits and sacrificing humans to their demon gods!

The Celts celebrated the day of death in anticipation of the dark, cold winter months. The eve of Samhain marked the special time of the year when the Druids taught that demons, souls and gods were unleashed on the world to bring blessing or wreak havoc and destruction on unsuspecting souls.

The Encyclopedia Britannica states:

“In ancient Britain and Ireland, the Celtic festival of Samhain was observed on October 31 at the end of the summer … The souls of the dead were supposed to revisit their homes on this day and the autumnal festival acquired sinister significance, with ghosts, witches, goblins, black cats, fairies and demons of all kinds said to be roaming about. It was the time to placate the supernatural powers controlling the processes of nature. In addition, Halloween was thought to be the most favorable time for divinations concerning marriage, luck, health, and death. It was the only day on which the help of the devil was invoked for such purposes.”  (Encyclopedia Britannica, 2005, "Halloween")

Today, Halloween is a truly occult holiday for many Celtic Neo-Pagans, Wiccan witches and Satanists alike. Many who are involved in the dark arts and traffic in spiritism, view Halloween as a religious holiday and are acutely aware that it is rooted in the occult. (Hutton, Ronald,  The Pagan Religions of the Ancient British Isles: Their Nature and Legacy , Oxford: Blackwell, 1991, pp. 327–341)

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Doreen Valiente

Witch and Wiccan high priestess, Doreen Valiente, who authored "The Witches’ Rune" and helped pen a significant amount of the occult content that is foundational to modern day Wicca, stated that Halloween is a special holiday for witches.

Valiente helped formulate modern Wicca (known as Gardnerian Wicca) after it was first created by Satanist Gerald Gardner, who was also a disciple of Satanist  Aleister Crowley  and a member of Crowley’s satanic organization known as the O.T.O. Unknown to most Wiccan’s, Gardner subsumed many of Crowley’s satanic teachings on ceremonial "magick" into Wicca and used a variation of Crowley’s satanic maxim “Do What Thou Wilt” for the wiccan Rede (e.g.,  That it harm none, do as thou wilt)

Wiccan high priestess, Valiente, said of Halloween:

“Halloween is one of the four Great Sabbats of the witches that everyone has heard about. To witches, Halloween is a serious occasion, however merrily celebrated. It is the old Celtic Eve of Samhain.”

Sharon Graham, who fancies herself as a high priestess of Salem witches, and who was charged in a feud with other witches for intimidating a witness by allegedly placing a raccoon’s head on the doorsteps of  Angelica of the Angels and the Goddess’ Treasure Chest , said of Halloween:

"Salem (Massachusetts) is a mecca, especially around Samhain. It is our holiday, our new year, and a lot of witches come here from all over the world."  ( Source )

Halloween is considered a satanic holiday for many confessing Satanists, and for obvious reasons, as it is a day where demons, witches and devils are glorified. The first  Greater Church of Lucifer  in Houston, Texas chose Halloween as the perfect day to officially open its doors to the public. ( Source ). halloween_a_satanic_holiday_4_anton_lavehttps://www.goodfight.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/halloween_a_satanic_holiday_4_anton_lavey-100x100.jpg 100w, https://www.goodfight.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/halloween_a_satanic_holiday_4_anton_lavey-150x150.jpg 150w, https://www.goodfight.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/halloween_a_satanic_holiday_4_anton_lavey-75x75.jpg 75w" sizes="(max-width: 250px) 100vw, 250px" style="text-align:center;margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;height:auto;" >

According to Anton LaVey, who founded the Church of Satan in 1966 and authored  The Satanic Bible  in 1969, Halloween is the third highest day on the satanic calendar for Satanists. LaVey wrote in  The Satanic Bible :

“After one’s own birthday, the two major Satanic holidays are Walpurgisnacht (May 1st) and Halloween.”  (LaVey, Anton Szandor,  The Satanic Bible , 1969, p. 96)

The official website for the Church of Satan states on their FAQ page that Halloween is a time when the masses  “reach down inside and touch the ‘darkness’ which for [us] Satanists is a daily mode of existence,”  as they may freely  “indulge their fantasies by donning costumes that allow for intense role-playing and the release of their demonic core.”  ( Source )

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Halloween is steadily gaining ground on Christmas as America’s favorite Holiday. In 2014, the National Retail Federation’s annual consumer spending survey revealed that Americans spent a whopping $7.4 billion to celebrate Halloween. $2.8 billion was for costumes ($1.1 billion for children’s costumes and $1.4 billion for adults). Another $2 billion was spent on demonic decorations and the rest on candy.

While many still choose to rejoice and celebrate our Lord Jesus’ birth on Christmas as the incarnation of God in human flesh ( John 1:1-3 14 ), for many Christmas has become nothing more than a materialistic endeavor.

It makes perfect sense that Christmas would fall by the wayside and Halloween would grow in prominence, as the scriptures warn that many would turn from Christ in the last days and that an occult revival would ensue as a harbinger for the coming Antichrist and new world order ( Matthew 24:9-10 24-25 2 Timothy 3:1-8 2 Thessalonians 2:9-12 Revelation 13:1-18 ).

The Scriptures tell us:

“For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil”  ( 1 John 3:8b ).

“He has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves, in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins”  ( Colossians 1:13-14 ).

When we came to Christ we were delivered  “from darkness to light and from the dominion of Satan to God” ( Acts 26:18 ), should we then return to Satan’s kingdom and celebrate after having been set free?

As Christians we are warned no to participate in the celebration of evil but the rather expose them:

“Do not participate in the unfruitful deeds of darkness, but instead even expose them”  ( Ephesians 5:11 ).

Rather than dressing up like demons, witches and devils, we are to  “abstain from all appearance of evil”  ( 1 Thessalonians 5:22 )

We are told in  3 John 1:11   “Beloved, do not  imitate  what is evil but what is good.”

Though I personally have some Irish heritage, I know better than imitating Druidic paganism:

“Thus says the Lord, “Do not learn the way of the nations…”

As Christians we ought to be repulsed by a holiday that celebrates the very things that our God and Maker calls abominations.  Deuteronomy 18:9-14  is the biblical passage that most directly addresses the customs of Halloween. Note how the Lord warns that He expelled those who had inhabited the Promised Land for engaging in such practices and He warned His people that he would do the same to them should they imitate their practices:

“When you enter the land which the LORD your God gives you, you shall not learn to imitate the detestable things of those nations. There shall not be found among you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, one who uses divination, one who practices witchcraft, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer, or one who casts a spell, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead. For whoever does these things is detestable to the LORD; and because of these detestable things the LORD your God will drive them out before you. You shall be blameless before the LORD your God. For those nations, which you shall dispossess, listen to those who practice witchcraft and to diviners, but as for you, the LORD your God has not allowed you to do so”  ( Deuteronomy 18:9-14 ).

We see here one of the most inclusive lists of activities upon which Halloween was established that can be found anywhere in the bible, and the practitioners thereof are labeled “detestable.” Those habits are, in fact, the very reason the Pagan nations were driven out of the Promised Land. 

We would encourage you to prayerfully consider celebrating Jesus and His glorious kingdom of light on Halloween, rather than the kingdom of darkness. At Blessed Hope Chapel, where I serve as Pastor, we celebrate the Lord and His winning of souls in a Harvest Festival on October 31st each year. It is a great time for both children and adults alike and keeps our focus on Jesus rather than the kingdom of darkness. Many of us also pass out tracts. While others are celebrating darkness and death we celebrate the Prince of Life and share tracts with those who come to our doors looking for a treat. May the Lord lead you and protect you from the evil one as you seek His face!   https://www.goodfight.org/articles/cults-occult/halloween-satanic-holiday/

 
 
 
pat wilson
3.2.20  pat wilson  replied to  Heartland American @3.2.19    2 weeks ago

Did you go trick-or-treating as a kid ? Carve a pumpkin ? 

 
 
 
Heartland American
3.2.21  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  pat wilson @3.2.20    2 weeks ago

“When you enter the land which the LORD your God gives you, you shall not learn to imitate the detestable things of those nations. There shall not be found among you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, one who uses divination, one who practices witchcraft, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer, or one who casts a spell, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead. For whoever does these things is detestable to the LORD; and because of these detestable things the LORD your God will drive them out before you. You shall be blameless before the LORD your God. For those nations, which you shall dispossess, listen to those who practice witchcraft and to diviners, but as for you, the LORD your God has not allowed you to do so”   ( Deuteronomy 18:9-14  ).

We see here one of the most inclusive lists of activities upon which Halloween was established that can be found anywhere in the bible, and the practitioners thereof are labeled “detestable.” Those habits are, in fact, the very reason the Pagan nations were driven out of the Promised Land.  https://thenewstalkers.com/vic-eldred/group_discuss/7154/freedom-in-the-crosshairs-why-religious-liberty-must-prevail#cm1189738

 
 
 
Heartland American
3.2.22  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  pat wilson @3.2.20    2 weeks ago

It is interesting to note that satanists and socialists consider May 1st to be their big day.  Coincidence?  

 
 
 
Gordy327
3.2.23  Gordy327  replied to  Heartland American @3.2.22    2 weeks ago

What day is that? And what's the relevance.

 
 
 
TᵢG
3.2.24  TᵢG  replied to  Gordy327 @3.2.23    2 weeks ago

Bizarre conspiracy theory.   May 1 st is International Worker's Day and May 1 st is also, coincidentally, Walpurgis Night .

HA apparently is aware that a calendar day has two events associated with it and suggests that this means that socialism and satanism are related.

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TᵢG
3.2.25  TᵢG  replied to  Heartland American @3.2.17    2 weeks ago
Halloween is a satanic holiday in my opinion.  

Good grief.

 
 
 
Gordy327
3.2.26  Gordy327  replied to  TᵢG @3.2.25    2 weeks ago

Tell me about it. That's what you get when religion is adhered to more than actual facts.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
3.2.27  igknorantzrulz  replied to  TᵢG @3.2.25    2 weeks ago
Halloween is a satanic holiday in my opinion.  
"Good grief"

Sounds like a Charlie Brown X mas 

murdering of Holidaze for Boo's and Ghouls dressed in Satanic Satan Sheetz,

scaring the hell out of H A, ha ha, laughing all the way    to the details of Hallows Eve

Asz that is where

The DEVIL is.

B leave she goes by the cleverly coded name of Luci Furlough, as how low can LucyFur

lough go,

as she again yanks Chucks' balls out from under him,

a habit Chuck can't quit,or kick, as he's obviously addicted to the De Tails hanging off the rear of

Loose fir  strips for Charles in charge of Angels who have obtuse Angles of her poll position he prefers to lap dance around till some got Snoopy, and called Lew de officer ,  know gentlemen pleased to meet you,

hope you guess my name

that i named Again, yet he doesn't respond

when i call him Again,

so i call him in the details, as that's where the Devil always is.

 
 
 
Freefaller
3.2.28  Freefaller  replied to  Heartland American @3.2.14    2 weeks ago
I was simple

The only part of any of your posts so far that is believable.

 
 
 
Gordy327
3.2.29  Gordy327  replied to  Heartland American @3.2.19    2 weeks ago

Your links don't work, but I'll bet they're from religiously biased BS sites, which is where most of your citations come from. So here's a brief, factual history regarding Halloween.

Halloween traces its origins to the Celtic festival of Samhain, which goes back more than 2000 years and pre-dates Christianity. So right off the bat, it precludes the possibility of Satanic basis or origin. Basically, it was an annual communal meeting at the end of the harvest year and when people believed the line between the physical world and spirit world weakened or broke down, and the spirits of the dead would come into the physical world (sounds similar to certain religious concepts, including christianity).

People would disguise themselves to fend off or scare the dead away (seem familiar?) But the ancient Celts had no concept of anything regarding the Christian devil or Satan. During the Middle ages, people would go to the homes of the rich or affluent and offer prayers for the dead in exchange for food. Children would do the same, offering jokes or games for food or coins (sound familiar?)

Trick or treating itself didn't start in the US until the wave of immigrants in the early 20th century came and brought that tradition with them, which caught on and gained popularity after WWII, until it became the current Halloween trick-or-treating custom. But it was Christianity that usurped the Celtic festival and attempted to put their own spin on it.

If you're going to try to make some kind of point, it's better to use actual, factual historical sources rather than what a religion (which hates such observances and deems them "Satanic" for no good reason) says. You might look more credible and less ignorant then!

I also noticed you never answered Pat's question. Why is that?

 
 
 
Heartland American
3.2.30  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  TᵢG @3.2.24    2 weeks ago

They are.  People’s republic of China and soviet Russia and others like them are proof of it.  

 
 
 
Heartland American
3.2.31  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  Gordy327 @3.2.26    2 weeks ago

Halloween is a religious holiday for the forces of evil.  

 
 
 
Heartland American
3.2.32  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  Freefaller @3.2.28    2 weeks ago

You found a typo. Congrats 

 
 
 
TᵢG
3.2.33  TᵢG  replied to  Heartland American @3.2.30    2 weeks ago

Why make such ridiculous claims?   Most everyone knows that the People's Republic of China, the former USSR, etc. are not nations that advocated the worship of Satan.  And both of them have a horrible record (arguably the worst in recent history) for how they treated the average working person.   

 
 
 
TᵢG
3.2.34  TᵢG  replied to  Heartland American @3.2.31    2 weeks ago
Halloween is a religious holiday for the forces of evil.

Why type such a foolish comment?  

 
 
 
Freefaller
3.2.35  Freefaller  replied to  TᵢG @3.2.34    2 weeks ago
Why type such a foolish comment? 

Just guessing, but I would say in order to keep his seed on the front page

 
 
 
Freefaller
3.2.36  Freefaller  replied to  Heartland American @3.2.32    2 weeks ago
You found a typo.

Correction I found an amusing typo, it's a subtle difference but still a difference.

 
 
 
TᵢG
3.2.37  TᵢG  replied to  Freefaller @3.2.35    2 weeks ago

Yup, my assumption too.   No shame?

 
 
 
Heartland American
3.2.38  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  TᵢG @3.2.34    2 weeks ago

You calling religious beliefs foolish doesn’t make it so nor will it silence us.  

 
 
 
Heartland American
3.2.39  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  TᵢG @3.2.33    2 weeks ago

I was referring to socialism and state atheism both evil. 

 
 
 
Heartland American
3.2.40  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  TᵢG @3.2.37    2 weeks ago

You know what is said about people who assume?  

 
 
 
TᵢG
3.2.41  TᵢG  replied to  Heartland American @3.2.38    2 weeks ago
You calling religious beliefs foolish doesn’t make it so nor will it silence us.  

A complete misrepresentation of what I wrote. 

You wrote this:

HA @3.2.31 ⇨ Halloween is a religious holiday for the forces of evil.

I replied with this:

TiG @3.2.34 ⇨ Why type such a foolish comment?  

 
 
 
TᵢG
3.2.42  TᵢG  replied to  Heartland American @3.2.39    2 weeks ago

Socialism is not the same as labor solidarity (per International Worker's Day) and 'state atheism' is not even remotely the same as satanism (per Walpurgis Night) .  

Did you not know that?

 
 
 
Gordy327
3.2.43  Gordy327  replied to  Heartland American @3.2.31    2 weeks ago
Halloween is a religious holiday for the forces of evil.  

More ignorant nonsense I see. It's clear you never bothered to actually research Halloween. At least, not without religious bias and blinders. How Typical. 

You know what is said about people who assume? 

Do tell! I'm curious, especially since assuming is what you do! Or make sweeping generalizations.

You calling religious beliefs foolish doesn’t make it so

They already are foolish. Much like your assertions about Halloween.

nor will it silence us.  

No one is trying to. 

 
 
 
Heartland American
3.2.44  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  TᵢG @3.2.42    2 weeks ago

I did.  I simply said it’s no coincidence that socialists and satanists share the same day to hold most high.  

 
 
 
Heartland American
3.2.45  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  TᵢG @3.2.41    2 weeks ago

Many Christians do believe that Halloween is a celebration of things God abhors. Nothing foolish about that reality.  

 
 
 
Heartland American
3.2.46  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  Gordy327 @3.2.43    2 weeks ago

Not true.  

 
 
 
TᵢG
3.2.47  TᵢG  replied to  Heartland American @3.2.44    2 weeks ago
I simply said it’s no coincidence that socialists and satanists share the same day to hold most high.

You equate socialists with labor solidarity and satanism with state atheism.    That is a profound misunderstanding of the terms.

 
 
 
TᵢG
3.2.48  TᵢG  replied to  Heartland American @3.2.45    2 weeks ago
Many Christians do believe that Halloween is a celebration of things God abhors. Nothing foolish about that reality.  

Christianity (the class of religions) does not hold Halloween to be satanic.   Your comment was foolish.   Your equivocation is a step in the right direction but intellectual honesty would be much better.

 
 
 
Gordy327
3.2.49  Gordy327  replied to  Heartland American @3.2.46    2 weeks ago

Yes true!

 
 
 
Gordy327
3.2.50  Gordy327  replied to  Heartland American @3.2.45    2 weeks ago

That's not foolish. That's just absurd! Not to mention just plain stupid!

 
 
 
Heartland American
3.2.51  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  Gordy327 @3.2.50    2 weeks ago

Since I’m not going to ignore you and there’s a limit on impasses per thread, I’m simply collapsing the thread.  Saying that Christian belief is absurd and stupid because you disagree is the height of bigotry and intolerance.  

 
 
 
Gordy327
3.2.52  Gordy327  replied to  Heartland American @3.2.51    2 weeks ago

It's religious belief in general that's absurd. It's based on emotion and superstition. Religions make claims, as matter of fact, for which they cannot empirically or objectively support. That's neither bigotry or intolerance.  That's simple fact. And if you can't handle that, then that's your problem, not mine! 

Bigotry and intolerance is trying to elevate one''s own religion above others, or declare other religions "false" or satanic based or some nonsense like that. But you've never done that, right? >sarc <

 
 
 
MUVA
3.2.53  MUVA  replied to  Gordy327 @3.2.52    2 weeks ago

Then don't believe that is what I do I don't argue with people about their faith.  

 
 
 
lady in black
3.2.54  lady in black  replied to  MUVA @3.2.53    2 weeks ago

People can have all the faith they want, that's not the issue, the issue is what they do with that faith, i.e., try to make laws based on their faith, condemn people that don't believe as they do, discriminate based on their faith....you get the picture.

 
 
 
MUVA
3.2.55  MUVA  replied to  lady in black @3.2.54    2 weeks ago

I agree with that but you don't have to insult and brow beat people you interact with on the internet because they have faith.

 
 
 
Gordy327
3.2.56  Gordy327  replied to  MUVA @3.2.53    2 weeks ago

I don't believe. But that doesn't mean religious claims, especially when posited as fact or truth, shouldn't be challenged, or belief itself called out for what it is. Especially if it promotes misinformation or willful ignorance. 

 
 
 
lady in black
3.2.57  lady in black  replied to  MUVA @3.2.55    2 weeks ago

When outlandish bs is posted regarding religion, yes, I will call it out.  

 
 
 
Gordy327
3.2.58  Gordy327  replied to  lady in black @3.2.57    2 weeks ago

Me too Lady. Well said!

 
 
 
TᵢG
3.2.59  TᵢG  replied to  lady in black @3.2.57    2 weeks ago
When outlandish bs is posted regarding religion, yes, I will call it out.  

For example:

HA @ 3.2.31  ⇨ Halloween is a religious holiday for the forces of evil.
 
 
 
Gordy327
3.2.60  Gordy327  replied to  TᵢG @3.2.59    2 weeks ago

Gee TiG, would calling Halloween "a religious holiday for the forces of evil" be intolerant or bigoted?

 
 
 
JBB
3.2.61  JBB  replied to  TᵢG @3.2.59    2 weeks ago

"Fundies say the darndest things" - Art Linkletter...

HA's pronouncements are getting farther out there.

 
 
 
Gordy327
3.2.62  Gordy327  replied to  JBB @3.2.61    2 weeks ago

They've always been out there.

 
 
 
Heartland American
3.2.63  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  Gordy327 @3.2.60    2 weeks ago

Factually true is the correct answer.  

 
 
 
Gordy327
3.2.64  Gordy327  replied to  Heartland American @3.2.63    one week ago

Let me know when you have something factually true then! Because so far, you've said anything but.

 
 
 
 
Gordy327
3.2.66  Gordy327  replied to  Heartland American @3.2.65    one week ago

I'm not sure what relevance that has to this discussion. But one cannot disprove something that hasn't even been shown to exist in the first place. Religions certainly have never proven god/s existence to begin with, despite any claims made for a god. When there's some objective, empirical evidence for a god, then it may be "disproven." 

 
 
 
Heartland American
3.2.67  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  Gordy327 @3.2.66    one week ago

Those demanding proof will never get  it.  People will believe by faith or they won’t believe at all with all the consequences that flow from that choice.  

 
 
 
Freefaller
3.2.68  Freefaller  replied to  Heartland American @3.2.67    one week ago
with all the consequences that flow from that choice.

So in life non-acceptance by the delusional and in death no consequences.  I can live (lol) with both, thanks.

 
 
 
Gordy327
3.2.69  Gordy327  replied to  Heartland American @3.2.67    one week ago

Because those making outrageous or absurd claims never have an proof. They just continue to make such unsubstantiated claims ando in a intellectually dishonest manner, continue to tour their claims as fact or truth when they have nothing to support it. Facts and evidence has nothing to do with belief.

 
 
 
TᵢG
3.2.70  TᵢG  replied to  Gordy327 @3.2.69    one week ago

Proof is almost certainly never going to come but even basic evidence has failed to emerge after thousands of years and no doubt billions of individuals (over time) highly motivated to produce it.

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.2.71  Texan1211  replied to  Heartland American @3.2.67    one week ago

Why do you think it bothers some so much that some believe in God?

 
 
 
katrix
3.2.72  katrix  replied to  Texan1211 @3.2.71    one week ago
Why do you think it bothers some so much that some believe in God?

Because people like C4P want to force their religion into our laws and our schools, in violation of our Constitution. They want to impose Christian Sharia law in this country.

The majority of people who believe in God aren't assholes, but those who are give religion a bad name.

Oh, the hilarious threats from the evil boogeyman that people like C4P love to throw out there don't help, either. People who worship something that's so evil shouldn't be surprised when moral people push back.

 
 
 
katrix
3.2.73  katrix  replied to  Heartland American @3.2.17    one week ago
Halloween is a satanic holiday in my opinion.  

Your god Satan has nothing to do with Halloween.

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.2.74  Texan1211  replied to  katrix @3.2.72    one week ago
Because people like C4P want to force their religion into our laws and our schools, in violation of our Constitution. They want to impose Christian Sharia law in this country.

Please give some details on your claims.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
3.2.75  Sean Treacy  replied to  katrix @3.2.72    one week ago
Christian Sharia

Are you just throwing random words together ?

 
 
 
katrix
3.2.76  katrix  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.2.75    one week ago

If you can't figure out what Christian Sharia law is, you're stupid - and I don't think you're stupid.

Read some of the crap that C4P throws out here, from acknowledged Christian Dominionist sites whose avowed purpose is to shove Christian fundamentalism into our laws, government and schools. If Muslims do it, C4P and his ilk start screeching about Sharia law - but if Christian fundies do it, it's somehow OK to these fanatics.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
3.2.77  Sean Treacy  replied to  katrix @3.2.76    one week ago
igure out what Christian Sharia law is, you're stupid

No, to mix Christianity and Sharia law together  is stupid.  

It's like calling someone a carnivorous broccoli eater.  

 
 
 
katrix
3.2.78  katrix  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.2.77    one week ago

Well, I didn't invent the term. I personally find it quite descriptive - and it describes accurately what those like C4P want for this country.

 
 
 
TᵢG
3.2.79  TᵢG  replied to  Texan1211 @3.2.71    one week ago

The problem is holding as truth that which is unevidenced and, in many cases, that which defies evidence to the contrary.   The problem is, in effect, the dissemination of misinformation.   As a specific example, the promotion of the idea that evolution is a worldwide conspiracy by godless scientists to discredit creationism.

Personally I have no issue with people who believe there must be a sentient creator.   There might be ... it is possible.   But when people go beyond that and invent stories and rules which lead others into bad action then, yes, I think that is a problem.    I will leave it up to the reader to recognize an obvious, modern day, horrific action based on religious belief.

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.2.80  Texan1211  replied to  TᵢG @3.2.79    one week ago
The problem is holding as truth that which is unevidenced and, in many cases, that which defies evidence to the contrary.  

Kind of sounds more like a personal problem. What does it hurt anyone for others to believe in God?

 
 
 
TᵢG
3.2.81  TᵢG  replied to  Texan1211 @3.2.80    one week ago

Maybe you should read more than my opening sentence.

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.2.82  Texan1211  replied to  TᵢG @3.2.81    one week ago

I did. 

I responded to the part I considered worthy of responding to.

 
 
 
TᵢG
3.2.83  TᵢG  replied to  Texan1211 @3.2.82    one week ago

What a crock.   You asked a question that was answered in my original comment (if you had bothered to read it).

Do you have anything of value to offer or is trying to pick a petty fight the best you can muster?

 
 
 
Tessylo
3.2.84  Tessylo  replied to  TᵢG @3.2.83    one week ago

WHO THE FUCK IN THE USA IS HAVING THEIR RELIGIOUS LIBERTY(IES) DENIED, WHO?

 
 
 
Tessylo
3.2.85  Tessylo  replied to  TᵢG @3.2.83    one week ago
Do you have anything of value to offer or is trying to pick a petty fight the best you can muster?
No
That's all she has
 
 
 
 
TᵢG
3.2.87  TᵢG  replied to  Dean Moriarty @3.2.86    one week ago

The exemptions provided to religious organizations ends when they break the law.   This is a legal question, not denying freedom of worship.   If the church was not handing out cannabis in return for donations they likely would not be in trouble.

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.2.88  Texan1211  replied to  TᵢG @3.2.83    one week ago

As I patiently tried to explain to you in my earlier post, I did read your entire post. If there is anything, anything at all, that is confusing about "I did", let me know and perhaps we can bring in a third party to explain it to you. God knows I already tried all I am going to.

I have no need to explain or justify any of my opinions to you or anyone else.

I didn't claim you didn't answer a question, so why are you insinuating I did?

 
 
 
katrix
3.2.89  katrix  replied to  Texan1211 @3.2.88    one week ago

You did claim he didn't answer a question. You said: "What does it hurt anyone for others to believe in God?" when he had clearly addressed that in his comment.

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.2.90  Texan1211  replied to  Tessylo @3.2.85    one week ago

I find it hard to believe that you still don't know that I am a male, despite being told so numerous times.

I can only surmise that you consider calling me a female as some sort of slur or slight. There can be no other logical explanation. How unusual for a member of a party which claims tolerance and equality!

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.2.91  Texan1211  replied to  katrix @3.2.89    one week ago

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Tessylo
3.2.92  Tessylo  replied to  Dean Moriarty @3.2.86    one week ago

Again, WHO THE FUCK IN THE USA IS HAVING THEIR RELIGIOUS LIBERTY(IES) DENIED, WHO?

 
 
 
†hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh
3.2.93  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh  replied to  Tessylo @3.2.92    one week ago

I'm not sure but I'm in a tiff with my HOA. This Christmas we are going to test the waters. As neighbors put up Christmas lights and religious decorations my kids are putting a giant pentagram on my garage that lights red with a sign that says "God Hates us All!"

 
 
 
TᵢG
3.2.94  TᵢG  replied to  Texan1211 @3.2.88    one week ago

So far you have offered nothing of intellectual value in reply to my comment.  If this is all you have then I suggest you move on.

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.2.95  Texan1211  replied to  TᵢG @3.2.94    one week ago

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Dean Moriarty
3.2.96  Dean Moriarty  replied to  TᵢG @3.2.87    one week ago

Yes I know they use laws to trample their religious freedom and some like the American Indians get special treatment. 

From the article. 

"Initially skeptical, Delyea thinks it’s a good argument. The government has already granted religious exemptions to certain groups for drug use, most notably an allowance for the Native American Church to use peyote. And Wisconsin allows Catholic inmates in Wisconsin institutions to imbibe sacramental wine, he said, and forbidding sacramental cannabis smacks of favoring one religion over another."

 
 
 
TᵢG
3.2.97  TᵢG  replied to  Dean Moriarty @3.2.96    one week ago

'They' use laws?   If the laws did not exist then 'they' could not use them.   Point is this:  when religious acts run up against the law there will issues.   The issues may be resolved by granting exceptions or by denying the 'religious' actions that violate the law.   Stay within the law and religious freedom is clear and present.

To give a stark example, honor killing is a religious practice in some sects of Islam.   Clearly if that is attempted in the USA then those 'they' people you mention will prevent this practice as a violation of our law.   Do you see that as 'they' using laws to trample religious freedom?

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.2.98  Texan1211  replied to  TᵢG @3.2.94    one week ago

I suggest if you don't like what I write, ignore me!

 
 
 
Dean Moriarty
3.2.99  Dean Moriarty  replied to  TᵢG @3.2.97    one week ago

Yes I can see how killing someone would be violating the rights of others and how these Rastas are not and their freedom is being restricted for no good reason. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
3.2.100  TᵢG  replied to  Dean Moriarty @3.2.99    one week ago

In both cases there is a violation of existing law.   The Rastafarians are breaking existing law.   They are free to practice their religion within the law.   When they violate the law there is a situation that is dealt with by granting them an exception to the law or changing the law itself or by them changing their practices to conform to the law. 

You do not get to declare a violation of religious freedom on religious acts that violate existing law.   That is not the meaning of religious freedom.

 
 
 
Gordy327
3.2.101  Gordy327  replied to  Tessylo @3.2.84    one week ago

Short answer: NOBODY!

 
 
 
Gordy327
3.2.102  Gordy327  replied to  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh @3.2.93    one week ago

Awesome.

 
 
 
Gordy327
3.2.103  Gordy327  replied to  Texan1211 @3.2.71    one week ago

Its not the belief that bothers anyone. It's the disingenuous and intellectually dishonest claims based on that belief and when passed off as fact or truth that's the problem.

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.2.104  Texan1211  replied to  Gordy327 @3.2.103    one week ago

I'll believe as I wish and leave others to do the same.

 
 
 
Gordy327
3.2.105  Gordy327  replied to  Texan1211 @3.2.104    one week ago

Like I said, you can believe whatever you want and no one cares. But if you or someone else tries to pass their beliefs off as fact and/or truth, as we have clearly seen certain individuals do, then don't be surprised when those beliefs the claims based on them are challenged or called out.

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.2.106  Texan1211  replied to  Gordy327 @3.2.105    one week ago

That works both ways, you know.

 
 
 
It Is ME
3.2.107  It Is ME  replied to  Texan1211 @3.2.106    one week ago
That works both ways, you know.

Not in "Gordy" land !

Their supposed "Logic" is a one-way-street.   jrSmiley_89_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
It Is ME
3.2.108  It Is ME  replied to  Gordy327 @3.2.105    one week ago
But if you or someone else tries to pass their beliefs off as fact and/or truth , as we have clearly seen certain individuals do,

Mirror, Mirror on the wall....your statement fits You too....after all !

Reference your own comment. jrSmiley_97_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Gordy327
3.2.109  Gordy327  replied to  It Is ME @3.2.108    one week ago

I've made no mention of my beliefs. So what are you specifically referring to?

 
 
 
Gordy327
3.2.110  Gordy327  replied to  Texan1211 @3.2.106    one week ago

See my post 3.2.109.

 
 
 
It Is ME
3.2.111  It Is ME  replied to  Gordy327 @3.2.109    one week ago
my be

For one....what is "my be".

second:

read comment ..... 3.2.101  Gordy327 (it's like YOU know EVERYTHING) ! jrSmiley_103_smiley_image.jpg

 
 
 
Gordy327
3.2.112  Gordy327  replied to  It Is ME @3.2.107    one week ago

If that's what you're taking away from this, then logic clearly eludes you.

 
 
 
Gordy327
3.2.113  Gordy327  replied to  It Is ME @3.2.111    one week ago

First, it was a glitch in the reply, which I corrected. 

Second, my short answer is correct. 

 
 
 
katrix
3.2.114  katrix  replied to  It Is ME @3.2.108    one week ago
Mirror, Mirror on the wall....your statement fits You too....after all !

Unfortunately, you apparently don't know the difference between a fact and a belief.

That would explain the lack of logic in your comments.

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.2.115  Texan1211  replied to  Gordy327 @3.2.110    one week ago

I saw it.

And?

 
 
 
It Is ME
3.2.116  It Is ME  replied to  Gordy327 @3.2.112    one week ago
If that's what you're taking away from this, then logic clearly eludes you.

Even "Spock" is wrong at times.

"The Galileo Seven"

 
 
 
It Is ME
3.2.117  It Is ME  replied to  katrix @3.2.114    one week ago
Unfortunately, you apparently don't know the difference between a fact and a belief.

Apparently YOU don't !

If a "Belief" can't be Proven one way or another, is there actually a "Fact" to argue about ?

 
 
 
Tessylo
3.2.118  Tessylo  replied to  Gordy327 @3.2.101    one week ago
Short answer: NOBODY!

that's exactly right and only Dean has come up with one bogus example.  

 
 
 
It Is ME
3.2.119  It Is ME  replied to  Tessylo @3.2.118    one week ago
that's exactly right

Do you have a "Citation" to show that comment as a fact ?

 
 
 
It Is ME
3.2.120  It Is ME  replied to  Gordy327 @3.2.113    one week ago
First, it was a glitch in the reply, which I corrected.

Only since you had time to relook at what you posted, after I asked the question.

"Second, my short answer is correct."

As YOU say to others ….. PROVE it ….. Logically !

It might be Pon farr season, but give it your best shot anyway. jrSmiley_38_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Gordy327
3.2.121  Gordy327  replied to  It Is ME @3.2.120    one week ago

No, I said it was a glitch in posting. What do you not understand about that. 

Second, there is no legitimate reports or cases of anyone's religious liberties or freedoms being denied. Everyone is still free to believe whatever they want. 

 
 
 
Gordy327
3.2.122  Gordy327  replied to  Heartland American @3.2.63    one week ago

Except it's not and that has been explained to you as to why. So continuing to make your erroneous claim as fact is dishonest and as good as lying at this point.

 
 
 
It Is ME
3.2.123  It Is ME  replied to  Gordy327 @3.2.121    one week ago
No, I said it was a glitch in posting.

On your part ….. right (The Galileo Seven) ? jrSmiley_100_smiley_image.jpg

It showed up as a final on my end. jrSmiley_15_smiley_image.gif

"Second, there is no legitimate reports or cases of anyone's religious liberties or freedoms being denied."

What do you concider "Legitimate" anyway ? jrSmiley_87_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Gordy327
3.2.124  Gordy327  replied to  It Is ME @3.2.116    one week ago

That's the best you can come up with, even though a TV show has zero relevance? You're just wasting your time and looking foolish now. Best to quit before you embarrass yourself further. 

 
 
 
Gordy327
3.2.125  Gordy327  replied to  Texan1211 @3.2.115    one week ago

And my statement stands. If you're not getting it, that's your problem.

 
 
 
It Is ME
3.2.126  It Is ME  replied to  Gordy327 @3.2.124    one week ago
That's the best you can come up with,

Just following your line of "Logical" thinking. jrSmiley_80_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.2.127  Texan1211  replied to  Gordy327 @3.2.125    one week ago

Oh, I got it. And if you don't understand that, then that is your personal problem.

 
 
 
katrix
3.2.128  katrix  replied to  It Is ME @3.2.117    one week ago
If a "Belief" can't be Proven one way or another, is there actually a "Fact" to argue about ?

Your comments make absolutely no sense, as usual. Just a bunch of illogical babbling.

 
 
 
It Is ME
3.2.129  It Is ME  replied to  katrix @3.2.128    one week ago
Your comments make absolutely no sense

Maybe take a day or two and think about what my comment said ?

It WILL help !

Trust me. jrSmiley_15_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.2.130  Texan1211  replied to  It Is ME @3.2.129    one week ago

Ever notice how suddenly it became YOUR fault that someone didn't understand what you wrote?

SMMFH

 
 
 
katrix
3.2.131  katrix  replied to  It Is ME @3.2.129    one week ago

Nothing can help make your comments seem coherent.

 
 
 
It Is ME
3.2.132  It Is ME  replied to  Texan1211 @3.2.130    one week ago
Ever notice how suddenly it became YOUR fault that someone didn't understand what you wrote?

That "Black and White" shit can really screw someone up...… I guess. jrSmiley_30_smiley_image.gif

I shoulda been more "Gray". jrSmiley_80_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
katrix
3.2.133  katrix  replied to  Texan1211 @3.2.130    one week ago
Ever notice how suddenly it became YOUR fault that someone didn't understand what you wrote?

I happen to think that people on a blog site should try to write actual sentences if they want people to understand what they're trying to say, rather than blathering and babbling and overusing stupid emoticons. If someone chooses not to write actual sentences, they shouldn't be surprised when people assume they're stupid.

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.2.134  Texan1211  replied to  katrix @3.2.133    one week ago
@3.2.133

Might want to rethink who is stupid if emoticons are not understood.

Assuming stuff usually makes the person doing the assuming look foolish.

 
 
 
It Is ME
3.2.135  It Is ME  replied to  katrix @3.2.133    one week ago
I happen to think that people on a blog site should try to write actual sentences if they want people to understand what they're trying to say

Are you sure you weren't so fixated on the "emoticon", it caused you to ignore the actual "Sentence" and it's "Meaning" ?

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.2.136  Texan1211  replied to  It Is ME @3.2.135    one week ago

Apparently, fixating on jrSmiley_15_smiley_image.gif leads to jrSmiley_76_smiley_image.gif .

Does that make jrSmiley_15_smiley_image.gif a gateway emoticon?

 
 
 
It Is ME
3.2.137  It Is ME  replied to  Texan1211 @3.2.136    one week ago

jrSmiley_79_smiley_image.gifjrSmiley_91_smiley_image.gifjrSmiley_90_smiley_image.gifjrSmiley_54_smiley_image.gifjrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.2.138  Texan1211  replied to  It Is ME @3.2.137    one week ago

jrSmiley_91_smiley_image.gif you addict!

 
 
 
It Is ME
3.2.139  It Is ME  replied to  Texan1211 @3.2.138    one week ago

jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
3.2.140  igknorantzrulz  replied to  It Is ME @3.2.139    one week ago
I happen to think that people on a blog site should try to write actual sentences if they want people to understand what they're trying to say

when your done ticklin your buddy's belly, maybe Frick can scratch Fracks' back

asz a side job

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.2.141  Texan1211  replied to  It Is ME @3.2.139    one week ago

Looks like someone is upset about being left out!

 
 
 
Heartland American
3.2.142  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  Texan1211 @3.2.80    one week ago

That is a good question.  They hate even more that we openly state that we believe. 

 
 
 
Heartland American
3.2.143  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  It Is ME @3.2.107    one week ago

Ain’t that the truth!  👍👏

 
 
 
Heartland American
3.2.144  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  Texan1211 @3.2.138    one week ago

👍👏🤭😎😂

 
 
 
Heartland American
3.2.145  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  Texan1211 @3.2.141    one week ago

So it would seem.  

 
 
 
It Is ME
3.2.146  It Is ME  replied to  igknorantzrulz @3.2.140    6 days ago
when your done ticklin your buddy's belly, maybe Frick can scratch Fracks' back asz a side job

Wow.....that was a Great Comment ! jrSmiley_80_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
It Is ME
3.2.147  It Is ME  replied to  Texan1211 @3.2.141    6 days ago
Looks like someone is upset about being left out!

jrSmiley_18_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Gordy327
3.2.148  Gordy327  replied to  It Is ME @3.2.126    6 days ago

Apparently,  it's over your head.

 
 
 
Gordy327
3.2.149  Gordy327  replied to  Texan1211 @3.2.127    6 days ago

Clearly you didn't get it. But you go right on believing you did if it makes you feel better.

 
 
 
It Is ME
3.2.150  It Is ME  replied to  Gordy327 @3.2.148    6 days ago
Apparently,  it's over your head.

You're not sure ?

 
 
 
Heartland American
3.2.151  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  It Is ME @3.2.150    6 days ago

Oh come on.  They have pond scum descended logic on their side that can’t fathom a higher power and realms beyond limited human thinking and intelligence. Of course they are not sure.

 
 
 
Gordy327
3.2.152  Gordy327  replied to  Heartland American @3.2.151    6 days ago

Feel free to prove  there's a "higher power" or other realms! Then your statement might have merit. Because so far, it's little more than an active imagination at best.

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.2.153  Texan1211  replied to  Gordy327 @3.2.149    6 days ago

Gotta just love it when pseudo-intellectuals think that they are the only ones smart enough to understand something.

That elitism cost y'all an election already,

Trying for two?

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.2.154  Texan1211  replied to  Gordy327 @3.2.152    6 days ago

And you feel free to prove that there is no God.

Why does it bother you so much that others believe?

Do you hold the same contempt and make the same derisive comments to your liberal politicians who believe in God?

How can you even bring yourself to actually vote for someone you consider illogical?

 
 
 
It Is ME
3.2.155  It Is ME  replied to  Gordy327 @3.2.152    5 days ago
Feel free to prove  there's a "higher power"

"Life" seems to be a good starter !

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
3.2.156  igknorantzrulz  replied to  It Is ME @3.2.146    5 days ago

Wow.....that was a Great Comment !

thanx.

R u supposing U r ever going to make one ?

 
 
 
Gordy327
3.2.157  Gordy327  replied to  Texan1211 @3.2.154    5 days ago
And you feel free to prove that there is no God.

A logical fallacy. One cannot prove the nonexistence of something.

Why does it bother you so much that others believe?

It doesn't. I've said that before. What makes you think it does.

Do you hold the same contempt and make the same derisive comments to your liberal politicians who believe in God?

I hold most, if not all politicians in contempt. What's your point?

How can you even bring yourself to actually vote for someone you consider illogical?

Whom have I voted for specifically? Or are you just making Strawman arguments?

Gotta just love it when pseudo-intellectuals think that they are the only ones smart enough to understand something.

Meaningless tripe. it's about what is demonstrable. So far, believers who posit god, "higher powers," or "realms" as real or true have yet to provide one shred of evidence to support their claims. And yet, they presume to claim such things exist or actually talk as if they understand it, even if a little? Who's being "pseudo-intellectual" again?

 
 
 
Gordy327
3.2.158  Gordy327  replied to  It Is ME @3.2.155    5 days ago
"Life" seems to be a good starter !

How is life proof of a higher power exactly?

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
3.2.159  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Gordy327 @3.2.158    5 days ago

How is life proof of a higher power exactly?

Does he mean Death is Not proof of a Lower powerless unseen unsightly unforeseen, as well...?

Obviously not for you or i  to answer, but i'm glad to see it is not just it is me.

 
 
 
It Is ME
3.2.160  It Is ME  replied to  Gordy327 @3.2.158    4 days ago
How is life proof of a higher power exactly?

Maybe try and "Think" (for a change) about all the "Different" types of  "Life" that exists on this planet, then ask yourself.....why !

"Logic" may be able to tell us that there is life ..... DUH (and that's all it can do), but it does a Terrible job at explaining "WHY", and the big stickler in "Logic" is, they "Why" such a "Different" amount of life exists.  

Someone, or something, has a plan. jrSmiley_13_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
It Is ME
3.2.161  It Is ME  replied to  igknorantzrulz @3.2.159    4 days ago
Does he mean Death is Not proof of a Lower powerless unseen unsightly unforeseen, as well...?

Your "glass" is always almost "Empty', isn't it. jrSmiley_103_smiley_image.jpg

 
 
 
It Is ME
3.2.162  It Is ME  replied to  igknorantzrulz @3.2.156    4 days ago
R u supposing U r ever going to make one ?

Read "THE" book !jrSmiley_78_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Gordy327
3.2.163  Gordy327  replied to  It Is ME @3.2.160    4 days ago
Maybe try and "Think" (for a change)

So you start off with a personal attack. how droll.

about all the "Different" types of  "Life" that exists on this planet, then ask yourself.....why !

Evolution is why!

"Logic" may be able to tell us that there is life ..... DUH (and that's all it can do), but it does a Terrible job at explaining "WHY",

Logically, scientific experiments and observations must be and have been conducted to possibly explain how life originally arose. And evolution explains how it diversified.

and the big stickler in "Logic" is, they "Why" such a "Different" amount of life exists.  

Evolution explains WHY there is such a DIFFERENT amount of life.

Someone, or something, has a plan. 

A baseless assumption for which there is no supporting evidence.

 
 
 
MUVA
3.2.164  MUVA  replied to  Gordy327 @3.2.163    4 days ago

I think you also started with a personal attack telling someone something is over their head is a insult.

 
 
 
Gordy327
3.2.165  Gordy327  replied to  MUVA @3.2.164    4 days ago
I think you also started with a personal attack telling someone something is over their head is a insult.

No attack at all. Someone clearly wasn't understanding what was said.

 
 
 
MUVA
3.2.166  MUVA  replied to  Gordy327 @3.2.165    3 days ago

I see you can't say you seem not to understand so you use it's over your head in its place.

 
 
 
It Is ME
3.2.167  It Is ME  replied to  Gordy327 @3.2.163    yesterday
how droll.

Oh LOOK !...………..Squirrel !

"Evolution explains WHY there is such a DIFFERENT amount of life."

Where the hell do you get that idea ? 

Logic ?

So a "Giraffe" came from an "Elephant" !

Got it ! jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Gordy327
3.2.168  Gordy327  replied to  It Is ME @3.2.167    yesterday

Your reply demonstrates a profound ignorance and lack of understanding of evolution. 

 
 
 
It Is ME
3.2.169  It Is ME  replied to  Gordy327 @3.2.168    yesterday

"Enlighten" me on how "Evolution" explains the "Why". jrSmiley_15_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Gordy327
3.2.170  Gordy327  replied to  It Is ME @3.2.169    yesterday

Speciation. Look up the Phylogenetic Tree. Did you even bother to take high school biology?

 
 
 
TᵢG
3.2.171  TᵢG  replied to  It Is ME @3.2.169    yesterday
"Enlighten" me on how "Evolution" explains the "Why".

Note that Gordy wrote this:

Gordy @ 3.2.163 - Evolution explains WHY there is such a DIFFERENT amount of life.

No doubt you are trying to play a semantics game and are trying to twist this into a philosophical question of why (something) chose to have so much biodiversity on the planet rather than the scientific why (Gordy's point) which is an explanation for the observation of so much diversity of life.

Google 'biodiversity' and you will find plenty of explanations.    Here is one of the many explanations of this most basic aspect of evolutionary science:

WHERE IT CAME FROM

The Earth's biodiversity is the result of 4 billion years of evolution — change in the inherited traits of a population of organisms from one generation to the next. Up until about 600 million years ago, life consisted of single-celled organisms.

The history of biodiversity during the Phanerozoic era (the past 540 million years) begins with the rapid growth of the Cambrian explosion — the period in which most phyla of multicellular organisms appeared. Over the next 400 million years, global diversity showed little overall trend and was marked by periodic, massive losses of diversity classified as mass extinction events. The largest of these occurred about 250 million years ago and is often called the P-Tr or Permian-Triassic extinction event; various mechanisms, ranging from increased volcanic eruptions to a drastic decrease in the air's oxygen, are thought to have contributed to the P-Tr, which killed about 96 percent of all marine species and an estimated 70 percent of land species. Recovery from this “Great Dying” didn't even begin for 4 to 6 million years, during which only a small number of resilient species roamed the earth. The most recent mass extinction, the K-T event, happened 65 million years ago and ended the reign of the dinosaurs.

In simple terms, variations (mutations) occur during the reproductive process.   The variations (in the resulting DNA) that are beneficial to continuation of the species are passed on to progeny.   When these new generations travel and experience different environments they are subjected to very different conditions for survival.   These different conditions select for different variations to the point of ultimately (typically over much time) producing a variety of species (speciation).   Speciation is part of the science of evolution; which —as Gordy notes— explains why this occurs.

 
 
 
Gordy327
3.2.172  Gordy327  replied to  TᵢG @3.2.171    yesterday

Well said TiG. He was was probabably trying to infer a supernatural component or explanation, something along the lines of "God did it."

 
 
 
TᵢG
3.2.173  TᵢG  replied to  Gordy327 @3.2.172    yesterday

It would not surprise me.   Imagine someone arguing against the statement:  'God gets what God wants' where God is defined as the unique creator entity that is both omnipotent and omniscient.   Imagine arguing that the epitome of power and knowledge (how does one define something more powerful or knowledgeable?) could be prevented from getting its way.

Very little, at this point, will surprise me.

 
 
 
Gordy327
3.2.174  Gordy327  replied to  TᵢG @3.2.173    23 hours ago

At this point, me either.

 
 
 
It Is ME
3.2.175  It Is ME  replied to  TᵢG @3.2.171    8 hours ago

Your "Speech" has nothing more to do than how each species progressed. It explains "NOTHING" on "WHY" there are different "Species".

So …………….."Giraffes" do come from "Elephants" ?

 
 
 
It Is ME
3.2.176  It Is ME  replied to  Gordy327 @3.2.170    8 hours ago
Speciation. Look up the Phylogenetic Tree. Did you even bother to take high school biology?

How "Droll" ! jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif

Interbreeding to create a "New" Breed" is your answer ?

 
 
 
It Is ME
3.2.177  It Is ME  replied to  TᵢG @3.2.173    8 hours ago
'God gets what God wants'

I've not seen someone note that.

In my life, I was always under the impression...."God let's you choose whatever you want", and the judgement day comes at YOUR "end of life" !

 
 
 
TᵢG
3.2.178  TᵢG  replied to  It Is ME @3.2.175    7 hours ago
So …………….."Giraffes" do come from "Elephants" ?

Do you also think evolutionary science suggests humans came from chimpanzees?   

 
 
 
TᵢG
3.2.179  TᵢG  replied to  It Is ME @3.2.177    7 hours ago
In my life, I was always under the impression...."God let's you choose whatever you want", and the judgement day comes at YOUR "end of life" !

If God wants everyone to choose what they want then that is what He wants.    By definition, nothing is more powerful than a unique omnipotent, omniscient entity.

 
 
 
It Is ME
3.2.180  It Is ME  replied to  TᵢG @3.2.179    7 hours ago
Nothing is more powerful than a unique omnipotent, omniscient entity.

If one is "Scared" about what they've done in life !

It Is Me is a "Happy Camper" with "LIFE" ! 

"If God wants everyone to choose what they want then that is what He wants. "

Doesn't everyone want the same ? jrSmiley_87_smiley_image.gif  

 
 
 
TᵢG
3.2.181  TᵢG  replied to  It Is ME @3.2.180    7 hours ago

Incoherent.

 
 
 
It Is ME
3.2.182  It Is ME  replied to  TᵢG @3.2.181    7 hours ago
Incoherent.

Did "Logic" tell you to note that ?

I guess "Simple" isn't in the "Logical" mindset ?

 
 
 
It Is ME
3.2.183  It Is ME  replied to  TᵢG @3.2.178    7 hours ago
Do you also think evolutionary science suggests humans came from chimpanzees?   

Are you asking "It Is Me", why there are different species on this planet ?

You don't know ?

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
3.2.184  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Heartland American @3.2.21    6 hours ago

First of all, Halloween has long ago been embraced as a Catholic holiday. It is the summation of All Saints Day. Its origins might be pagan, but so is the Christmas tree, but I bet you have one. 

https://www.catholic.com/magazine/print-edition/why-catholics-should-embrace-halloween

Now if you don't want to celebrate Halloween, that is fine. But you shouldn't be mocking someone else's beliefs since that would make this article Ironic. 

Also, the article cited by The Pew in this article has the title, In The US, the  Decline of Christianity is Rapid.

You need to read your source material better. 

 
 
 
Gordy327
3.2.185  Gordy327  replied to  It Is ME @3.2.176    4 hours ago
Interbreeding to create a "New" Breed" is your answer ?

Keep demonstrating your ignorance about evolution. Especially with this statement of yours: "It explains "NOTHING" on "WHY" there are different "Species".

If you understood evolution, you would know why.

In my life, I was always under the impression...."God let's you choose whatever you want", and the judgement day comes at YOUR "end of life" !

If there was a god, there would  be no such thing as choice. And judgement day is just religious nonsense meant to scare people into obedience.

You don't know ?

Go ahead and provide your own explanation as to why there are different species on the planet. 

 
 
 
It Is ME
3.2.186  It Is ME  replied to  Gordy327 @3.2.185    4 hours ago
If you understood evolution, you would know why.

I don't think you know what "Evolution" means.

Even what TiG put up discusses "Species" and how each "Species" changes. That's NOTHING more than an "Evolution" of each "Species". Not an "Evolution" of "Species" difference.

"If there was a god, there would  be no such thing as choice."

Which "Human" is it that told you that ?

 
 
 
Gordy327
3.2.187  Gordy327  replied to  It Is ME @3.2.186    3 hours ago
I don't think

You should have stopped there.

you know what "Evolution" means.

I know exactly what it means, and far more than you I bet.

Even what TiG put up discusses "Species" and how each "Species" changes. That's NOTHING more than an "Evolution" of each "Species". Not an "Evolution" of "Species" difference.

A species that changes, even into a new species, is evolution. 

Which "Human" is it that told you that ?

No one. It's simple logic

 
 
 
It Is ME
3.2.188  It Is ME  replied to  Gordy327 @3.2.187    3 hours ago
You should have stopped there.

That's so ……. Cute ! jrSmiley_15_smiley_image.gif

I don't cut your SHIT off, mon ami, to make a point. jrSmiley_80_smiley_image.gif

I let your entire comment stand. jrSmiley_24_smiley_image.gif

"A species that changes, even into a new species, is evolution."

All 1.2 Million of those species ?

Did an "Elephant" morph into a "Giraffe" or not. jrSmiley_87_smiley_image.gif

"No one. It's simple logic"

You should STOP trying to make "Logic" so complicated then (reference your twisting comments), if it's that "Simple" ! jrSmiley_25_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Gordy327
3.2.189  Gordy327  replied to  It Is ME @3.2.188    an hour ago
I don't cut your SHIT off, mon ami, to make a point

Let me know when you have a point.

All 1.2 Million of those species ?

All species.

Did an "Elephant" morph into a "Giraffe" or not.

Of course not. But if you really understood evolution, you would know they share a common ancestor.

You should STOP trying to make "Logic" so complicated then (reference your twisting comments), if it's that "Simple" !

It is simple. But if you find it complicated, then perhaps the problem lies with you.

 
 
 
devangelical
4  devangelical    3 weeks ago

religion is a business. tax it like one.

 
 
 
Heartland American
4.1  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  devangelical @4    3 weeks ago

The separation of church and state demands that there be no government taxation upon churches and that they be non profit organizations and charitable organizations. The power to tax is the power to destroy and government has absolutely no legitimate role in determining religious beliefs or restricting the free exercise there of.  

 
 
 
charger 383
4.1.1  charger 383  replied to  Heartland American @4.1    3 weeks ago

To be really separate, religion should pay taxes otherwise non religious people and members of small or low budget or religions that don't build up wealth end up supporting the big churches with taxes higher than they would be if the big churches paid their fair share.

 
 
 
Heartland American
4.1.2  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  charger 383 @4.1.1    3 weeks ago

All the people in the church already pay taxes on their income and don’t need to be taxed based on exercising their free association and assembly rights.  The power to tax is the power to destroy and we should never give government that kind of power over religious associations.  Most religions are also non profit charities and some  are non profit education and medical facilities as well.  

 
 
 
MUVA
4.1.3  MUVA  replied to  Heartland American @4.1.2    3 weeks ago

I agree with some of what you say but all my customers pay taxes also.I would say churches have to pay taxes when they run schools or make money not from donations.I will say that churches provide a huge service to the community with there early education programs pre K saves tax a large amount of money. 

 
 
 
Heartland American
4.1.4  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  MUVA @4.1.3    2 weeks ago

Why should church run private schools be taxed when no other non profit private school is?  Should church run non profit hospitals be taxed while hospitals 🏥 operated by other non profits not be taxed.  Why are churches unique among non profit organizations?  

 
 
 
Gordy327
4.1.5  Gordy327  replied to  Heartland American @4.1    2 weeks ago
The separation of church and state demands that there be no government taxation upon churches and that they be non profit organizations and charitable organizations.

Separation also demands that churches do not engage in political activities or otherwise attempt to steer political course or candidates.

 
 
 
Heartland American
4.1.6  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  Gordy327 @4.1.5    2 weeks ago

No non profit c-3 is supposed to be directly involved in politics.  That doesn’t only apply to churches.  

 
 
 
Split Personality
4.1.7  Split Personality  replied to  Heartland American @4.1.6    2 weeks ago

Then Jay Sekulow should not be representing the President given his involvement in ALJC which is the epitome of politics

 
 
 
charger 383
4.1.8  charger 383  replied to  Heartland American @4.1.2    2 weeks ago

There are at least 12 churches in my small town, if they paid taxes then my taxes would be lower.  I am subsidizing them.   

 
 
 
devangelical
4.1.9  devangelical  replied to  Heartland American @4.1.2    2 weeks ago
All the people in the church already pay taxes on their income and don’t need to be taxed based on exercising their free association and assembly rights.

church members are purchasing an intangible product when they put money into the collection plate. a ticket to heaven as it were. tax it.

 
 
 
Heartland American
4.1.10  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  Split Personality @4.1.7    2 weeks ago

Jay Sekulow is doing his legal work as himself acting as an individual.  It’s not that the ACLJ is Trumps lawyer.  His job as leader of the ACLJ does not in any way preclude his doing any other job.  

 
 
 
Heartland American
4.1.11  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  devangelical @4.1.9    2 weeks ago

Putting money in an offering plate buys nothing at all.  

 
 
 
charger 383
4.1.12  charger 383  replied to  Heartland American @4.1.11    2 weeks ago

 It is still tax deductible, right?

 
 
 
Gordy327
4.1.13  Gordy327  replied to  Heartland American @4.1.11    2 weeks ago

It's still an income. 

 
 
 
Heartland American
4.1.14  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  charger 383 @4.1.12    2 weeks ago

For those of us who itemize.  Most people don’t give away $100 to get $20-$40 unless they believe in what they are doing.  I don’t itemize and thus gain no refund for it.  Even the rich would be better off keeping their money at being taxed 40% than giving it all away and getting 40% of it back.  

 
 
 
Heartland American
4.1.16  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  devangelical @4.1.9    2 weeks ago

Only if we can tax secularists tickets to the hot 🥵 place 🔥 

 
 
 
devangelical
4.1.17  devangelical  replied to  Heartland American @4.1.16    2 weeks ago

secular taxpayers already make up the difference in taxes on the revenue lost in tax exempt scams run by religious hypocrites to further their political agendas, in violation of the 1st amendment establishment clause. religious based socialism in a nutshell. the existence of millionaire teavangelical preachers contradicts religious ideology.

 
 
 
Tessylo
4.1.18  Tessylo  replied to  MUVA @4.1.3    one week ago

Don't people have to pay for the church education programs?  PreK?

Where is it free?

 
 
 
bbl-1
5  bbl-1    3 weeks ago

Gee CH4P, these religious diatribes need more juice.  Shoot some Lysergic Acid Diethylamide into the mix.  The persecution of the persecuting christians are becoming just a bit to laze faire.

You know, need more angles. 

 
 
 
Heartland American
5.1  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  bbl-1 @5    3 weeks ago

There is no diatribe here except from the secularist responses to the written words of the reasonable seeded article 

 
 
 
Heartland American
6  seeder  Heartland American    3 weeks ago

The replies so far to this seed prove the following to be true:                                              A war on religious liberty is being aggressively waged against Americans of all faiths by coercive secular progressives tying their future political power to stripping citizens of their first constitutional right. As President Trump noted in his   September address at the United Nations   , “No right is more fundamental … than the right to follow one’s religious convictions. Too often, people in positions of power preach diversity while silencing, shunning, or censoring the faithful.”

The destruction of religious freedom creates an environment for the erosion of other freedoms. The case against the anti-faith agenda has three underlying constructs—inherent contradictions in its position, the value of faith communities to society, and the Constitution itself.

The First Amendment states, “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.” It put the right to worship (or not worship) before freedoms of speech, press, assembly and petition.

Secularists demand “separations of church and state,” a clause that appears nowhere in U.S. law, but in an  1802 letter   Thomas Jefferson wrote emphasizing that faith resides between a person and God with no interference from the state. Perhaps if Jefferson wrote “protecting the church from the state” progressives would be marginally less eager to manipulate its meaning for their self-serving ends.

Neither those elected to run the government nor the activist class have any right or authority to impose their religious or non-religious will on others. This is the inarguable meaning and application of the clause.

The ridiculous hypocrisy of the left’s version of “separating” church from state is stark. Removing charitable tax exemption from churches that don’t meet the same-sex marriage policy demands of candidate O’Rourke and other progressives is the opposite of separating church and state. It would instead combine them. Taxing churches ties them to Congress, the judiciary, IRS and U.S. Treasury, making people of faith subject to the whims of political parties, activists and revenue collection agencies.   https://thenewstalkers.com/vic-eldred/group_discuss/7154/freedom-in-the-crosshairs-why-religious-liberty-must-prevail?g=89

 
 
 
bbl-1
6.1  bbl-1  replied to  Heartland American @6    3 weeks ago

Hung up on the same sex thing? 

Well, is it okay to cut an avocado and put the pieces into a bowl of Cheerios?

 
 
 
Heartland American
6.1.1  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  bbl-1 @6.1    3 weeks ago

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The American Civil Rights Union (ACRU) is dedicated to defending the constitutionally-protected civil rights of all Americans. Every one of our essential rights depends on our ability to freely choose our leaders. America’s greatest civil right—self-governance—requires ensuring that our elections are conducted fairly and honestly.

The ACRU monitors and counters organizations that threaten our constitutional rights and promotes election integrity, government transparency and constitutional governance.

The ACRU stands against harmful, anti-constitutional ideologies that have taken hold in our nation’s courts, law schools and bureaucracies. While other organizations promote entitlements and immoral license in the name of “liberties” and “identity” politics, the ACRU defends the civil rights for all set forth at America’s founding through:

LITIGATION:  The ACRU is seeking a landmark interpretation of federal law to ensure the accuracy of voter registration rolls—the key to preventing vote fraud.

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PROTECTING AMERICAN VALUES:  The ACRU works to ensure that those who believe in traditional moral values remain free to hold, express, teach and practice those beliefs—not just in their homes but also in their businesses and in the public square.

DEFENDING THE CONSTITUTION:  The ACRU holds that the U.S. Constitution & Bill of Rights is the greatest legal document ever conceived by man and should be interpreted as written, not subject to the prevailing political winds.   https://www.theacru.org/

 
 
 
Split Personality
6.1.2  Split Personality  replied to  Heartland American @6.1.1    3 weeks ago

The ACRU was a hobby of Bob Carleson ( RiP 2006 ) which he started in 1998 and has been continued by his bride.

They filed 15 amicus briefs in 1998, apparently only 5 more since then, and had one case against Starr County 'settled" in which Starr County agreed to pay them $55,000.00 in legal fees. jrSmiley_24_smiley_image.gif

It's little more than a sham which joins Judicial Watch lawsuits to give JW the impression of the credibility "of numbers".

Ambulance chasers have more credibility and practice more law with actual results compared to ACRU.

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Heartland American
6.1.3  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  Split Personality @6.1.2    3 weeks ago

Secular progressives and places like SPLC and MBFC hate it when we conservatives create conservative alternative organizations to compete against themselves.  

 
 
 
Heartland American
6.1.4  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  Split Personality @6.1.2    3 weeks ago

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Heartland American
6.1.5  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  Heartland American @6.1.3    3 weeks ago

And we also have the ACLJ to protect us from our domestic enemies as well.

 
 
 
Split Personality
6.1.6  Split Personality  replied to  Heartland American @6.1.4    3 weeks ago

That's correct, per their own website, all they do now is "legal writing"

besides tweeting.

 
 
 
Split Personality
6.1.7  Split Personality  replied to  Heartland American @6.1.5    3 weeks ago

While they do good, they are more focused on Africa and Europe, but they are legitimate and have actual staffs.

 
 
 
Heartland American
6.1.8  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  Split Personality @6.1.7    2 weeks ago

And their founder is one of Trumps lawyers. 

 
 
 
Split Personality
6.1.9  Split Personality  replied to  Heartland American @6.1.8    2 weeks ago

One would think you would look before you speak.

Pat Robertson is the founder and NOT a practicing lawyer.

Too funny that it takes a Messianic Jew like Jay Sekulow to defend Evangelicals and other Christians around the world.

After filing for bankruptcy in 1987 ( $13M )  he eventually  became Chief Counsel for Robertson and the ADLJ.

Good thing he's been doing well for the last 28 years and accumulated $20M for retirement

because working for Trump isn't likely to enrich Jay any further.

 
 
 
Heartland American
6.1.10  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  Split Personality @6.1.9    2 weeks ago

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Split Personality
6.1.11  Split Personality  replied to  Heartland American @6.1.10    2 weeks ago

ACLJ, just happens to line the pockets of Jay Sekulow and the Pat Robertson family while giving their customers what they want to hear 24/7/365 by internet, blog, podcast and radio.

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Credibility?  Not so much.

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Wanna bet what the ACLU ratings are?

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Heartland American
6.1.12  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  Split Personality @6.1.11    2 weeks ago

Who cares?  If I needed to be defended it would be the ACLJ or better yet Alliance Defending Freedom that would protect me, not the partisan hacks at All Criminal Leftists United. 

 
 
 
Split Personality
6.1.13  Split Personality  replied to  Heartland American @6.1.12    2 weeks ago

The difference is, that the ACLU will defend anyone, even you and I.

The ACRU or ACLJ, not so much.

But Thanks for actually responding.

Ciao.

 
 
 
devangelical
6.1.14  devangelical  replied to  Heartland American @6.1.12    2 weeks ago

the ADF is nothing more than a rightwing money laundry hiding behind it's tax exempt status, at the expense of all taxpayers, just like most religious organizations. a prime example of nonsecular socialism. all religious businesses deserve intensive government scrutiny with every penny accounted for.

 
 
 
Heartland American
6.1.15  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  devangelical @6.1.14    2 weeks ago
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Heartland American
6.1.16  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  devangelical @6.1.14    2 weeks ago

Proof that you are opposed to the separation of church and state. Because with real separation the state has no power over the church.  

 
 
 
devangelical
6.1.17  devangelical  replied to  Heartland American @6.1.16    2 weeks ago

yeah, that concept has always worked out so well in the history of this planet. /s

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Gordy327
6.1.18  Gordy327  replied to  Heartland American @6.1.16    one week ago

Works both ways: the church has no power over the state either.

 
 
 
Heartland American
6.1.19  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  Gordy327 @6.1.18    one week ago

No kidding.  Who would have ever guessed?  Churches as an organization have and should have no power over government and government has no power over the free exercise of religious beliefs.  Individual citizens who belong to any given church can vote and be elected to serve in any capacity.  

 
 
 
Heartland American
6.1.20  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  devangelical @6.1.17    one week ago

Oh please.  Are you so insecure in yourself and who you are as a person that you feel the need to make anonymous macho threats about the trauma physical or emotional that you are going to cause to some Christian that crosses your path.  That act is not one a mature adult male would project even on line.  

 
 
 
Texan1211
6.1.21  Texan1211  replied to  Heartland American @6.1.20    one week ago
Oh please.  Are you so insecure in yourself and who you are as a person that you feel the need to make anonymous macho threats about the trauma physical or emotional that you are going to cause to some Christian that crosses your path.  That act is not one a mature adult male would project even on line.  

Certainly appears that way.

Internet tough guys are always entertaining, though!

 
 
 
Gordy327
6.1.22  Gordy327  replied to  Heartland American @6.1.19    one week ago

Based on past discussions relating to church-state topics, some people here have a clear misunderstanding of separation or how it's applied, with some even going so far as to declare there is no separation. So it's important to reinforce the idea that separation works both ways. That being said, no one's religious liberty nor is any church being threatened by the government. That is just paranoid nonsense. Neither does separation allow an individual's religious beliefs to be made into law or public policy.

 
 
 
devangelical
6.1.23  devangelical  replied to  Heartland American @6.1.20    one week ago

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Heartland American
6.1.24  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  Texan1211 @6.1.21    6 days ago

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Gordy327
6.2  Gordy327  replied to  Heartland American @6    2 weeks ago
A war on religious liberty is being aggressively waged against Americans of all faiths by coercive secular progressives tying their future political power to stripping citizens of their first constitutional right.

The only thing that's true is the persecution complex by some individuals is alive and well.

 
 
 
MrFrost
6.3  MrFrost  replied to  Heartland American @6    one week ago
A war on religious liberty is being aggressively waged against Americans of all faiths by coercive secular progressives tying their future political power to stripping citizens of their first constitutional right. As President Trump noted in his   September address at the United Nations   , “No right is more fundamental … than the right to follow one’s religious convictions. Too often, people in positions of power

How? What laws are being passed that removes your freedom of religion? 

 
 
 
lady in black
6.3.2  lady in black  replied to  MrFrost @6.3    one week ago

None...the only thing is still hiding behind religion to discriminate.

 
 
 
MrFrost
6.3.3  MrFrost  replied to  lady in black @6.3.2    one week ago

None...the only thing is still hiding behind religion to discriminate.

I'm well aware. Like ya said, they just want the right to be able to force their religion on people and use it to discriminate. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
6.4  MrFrost  replied to  Heartland American @6    one week ago
The destruction of religious freedom creates an environment for the erosion of other freedoms.

What religious freedoms have been taken away? What laws have been passed? 

 
 
 
Heartland American
7  seeder  Heartland American    2 weeks ago

The interesting thing here is the total hostility toward religious liberty protected by the free exercise clause of the 1st amendment from secular progressives.  The degree of intolerance of and bigotry toward believers is simply stunning.  

 
 
 
Gordy327
7.1  Gordy327  replied to  Heartland American @7    2 weeks ago
The degree of intolerance of and bigotry toward believers is simply stunning.

The degree of ignorance and paranoia in that comment is simply stunning. But not surprising either.

 
 
 
katrix
7.2  katrix  replied to  Heartland American @7    one week ago

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