Secularism among Dems advanced during Obama years

  
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By:   Michael F. Haverluck

Secularism among Dems advanced during Obama years
The trend away from Christianity toward those unbiblical ideals and social mores has been in full gear since former President Barack Obama – coined by evangelical leader Dr. James Dobson as "the abortion president" – moved into the White House in 2009 to begin eight years of promoting a far-left agenda promoting expanded LGBTQ and abortion rights and other policies signaling a drift from biblical principles.

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The movement of the democrat party to secular progressive is documented and clear for all to see.  In the near future most believers will be conservative and the vast majority of the secular will be on the left. 


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A recent nationwide survey reveals that most white Democrats today are non-Christian – and with the extreme policies being touted by most of the Democratic presidential candidates, many conservatives aren't surprised by the party's divergence from biblical principles.

"Today, fewer than half of white Democrats describe themselves as Christians, and just three-in-10 say they regularly attend religious services,"  Pew Research divulged . "More than four-in-10 white Democrats are religious 'nones,' and fully seven-in-10 white Democrats say they attend religious services no more than a few times a year."

According to Pew researchers – taking into account all Democrats – that means about 60 percent don't attend services but a few times a year, and the "nones" make up fully one-third of the party.










What are the most noticeable differences between today's Democratic Party and that of 40-50 years ago? (Select 2)










Secular shift

The far-left policies being touted by 2020 Democratic presidential candidates revolve around social issues such as abortion and same-sex "marriage," as well as socialist agenda items like universal health care, a $15 trillion Green New Deal, open borders, and absolving all college debt.

The trend away from Christianity toward those unbiblical ideals and social mores has been in full gear since former President Barack Obama – coined by evangelical leader Dr. James Dobson as "the abortion president" – moved into the White House in 2009 to begin eight years of promoting a far-left agenda promoting expanded LGBTQ and abortion rights and other policies signaling a drift from biblical principles.

"In Obama's first year in office, 68% of white Democrats described themselves as Christians, 7% claimed to be members of other faiths, and 24% said that they had no religious affiliation,"  Front Page Magazine reported from the survey . "A decade later, only 47% of white Democrats call themselves Christians, [while] 10% are members of other faiths, and 42% have no religion."

In other words, secular beliefs on many of the moral issues facing society have taken over most white Democrats' mindsets to replace former beliefs rooted in the Bible – or, as Front Page Magazine's Daniel Greenfield put it: "A majority of white Democrats have ceased to be Christian."

The journalist stressed that the Democratic Party is not the Democratic Party of decades past.

"The Obama era transformed the country and the party," Greenfield pointed out. "It's often observed that the Democrats of the JFK era are not the Democrats of today … [what's more] … the Democrats of 2019 are not the Democrats of 2009. We are a different nation because of it."

Just look at their proposals

The Democratic Party's split from Christianity and its guiding principles – many of which are reflected in the U.S. Constitution – has reportedly been demonstrated in the radical left ideas and policies being proposed by this year's field of Democratic presidential candidates.

"The [Pew survey results] explain why the Democrat debate stage included a cult leader and a call to go after churches and synagogues that don't back gay marriage," Greenfield argued. "Not even Obama would have proposed such a thing in 2009, but much has changed since then."

In 1963, prayer, Bible reading and the teaching of biblical creation – with evolution being exclusively taught as explaining the origin of man and the universe – were taken out of the public schools. Government statistics show immoral and irresponsible behavior of every kind drastically increased afterward, including sexual activity and the spread of sexually transmitted diseases, violent crime, drug use, divorce and children born out of wedlock, while graduation rates dropped.

"Obama was born in 1961 – [when] 67% of Generation X was Christian," Greenfield added. "Millennials are now a quarter of the electorate, and they are evenly divided between Christians and non-Christians. Generation Z represents another 9% of the electorate, and it's been described as the least religious generation ever."

Former Rep. Beto O'Rourke (D-Texas) may have just dropped his presidential bid, but his ultra-left take on numerous issues – including stripping Americans of their Second Amendment rights and removing churches' tax exemption for opposing same-sex marriage – resonates with more and more Democrats.

"Beto O'Rourke's proposals to confiscate guns or go after the tax-exempt status of traditional religious organizations only seem radical to older voters, [but] they're not radical to the younger voters he's courting," Greenfield stressed. "O'Rourke, [Bernie] Sanders and [Pete] Buttigieg all endorsed abortion until the moment of birth, [and] … this position is far more radical than the one Obama ran on … but so is the 2019 Democrat electorate."

This can be seen with all 20-plus Democratic candidates' stance on abortion. When all were asked whether they supported any legal limits on abortion, each either said no or dodged the question. For example, when Martha MacCallum asked self-proclaimed socialist Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) about abortion during the Fox News town hall, Sanders would not take a stand for the preborn at any stage in the pregnancy.

"Do you believe a woman should be able to terminate a pregnancy up until the moment of birth?" MacCallum asked Sanders,  according to National Review .

Sanders attempted to skirt the issue before arguing the government should have no right to protect preborn children at any stage. "I think that that happens very, very rarely," he answered. "The decision over abortion belongs to a woman and her physician, not the federal government, not the state government."

Mayor Pete Buttigieg (D-South Bend, Ind.), also made women a law unto themselves. "I trust women to draw the line," the first openly homosexual presidential candidate asserted when posed the same question. O'Rourke responded likewise.

Lip service only

Some Democrats reportedly attempted to give Christians lip service to retain the religious vote, but many Democrats tout the message that religion and politics don't mix – a philosophy that more minority Democrats are also embracing.

"While Buttigieg and [Sen. Cory] Booker try to tap into lefty pseudo-religious politics, O'Rourke dispenses with the phony religion by appealing to the new rising demographics of the Democrats, and those demographics are not only white," Greenfield explained.

"The decline among minority Democrats has not been as dramatic as among white Democrats, but the number of black Democrats who describe themselves as Christian still fell from 84% to 74% from 2009 to 2018-2019. Hispanic Christian identification among Democrats declined from 82% to 71%. Among Democrats as a whole,  only 55%  identify as Christian – down from 72% in 2009."

It's apparent that, as time passes, Democrats are becoming more and more secular.

"Generational shifts will see older, more religious Democrats making way for a new generation, [so] before long, a majority of all Democrats will no longer identify as Christians or as religious believers," Greenfield predicted. "The Democrats have not only adopted values that are fundamentally hostile to traditional religious believers, but the demographics show that they are living out those values, and, as Beto O'Rourke demonstrated, see less reason to hide them or to pay lip service to religiosity in an irreligious party."

The journalist for Front Page Magazine predicted that the remnant of Christians ascribing to the Democratic Party will continue to shrink.

"At current rates, Catholics will form a larger share of the GOP than of the Democrats, and Protestants – who made up 46% of the Democrats in 2009 – have declined to 35%, falling from nearly half to a little over a third, [and] 1 in 5 Democrats have never attended religious services," Greenfield noted. "Republicans and Democrats are no longer divided by their approach to religion, but by religion itself."

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Heartland American
1  seeder  Heartland American    6 days ago

Secular shift

The far-left policies being touted by 2020 Democratic presidential candidates revolve around social issues such as abortion and same-sex "marriage," as well as socialist agenda items like universal health care, a $15 trillion Green New Deal, open borders, and absolving all college debt.

The trend away from Christianity toward those unbiblical ideals and social mores has been in full gear since former President Barack Obama – coined by evangelical leader Dr. James Dobson as "the abortion president" – moved into the White House in 2009 to begin eight years of promoting a far-left agenda promoting expanded LGBTQ and abortion rights and other policies signaling a drift from biblical principles.

"In Obama's first year in office, 68% of white Democrats described themselves as Christians, 7% claimed to be members of other faiths, and 24% said that they had no religious affiliation,"  Front Page Magazine reported from the survey  . "A decade later, only 47% of white Democrats call themselves Christians, [while] 10% are members of other faiths, and 42% have no religion."

In other words, secular beliefs on many of the moral issues facing society have taken over most white Democrats' mindsets to replace former beliefs rooted in the Bible – or, as Front Page Magazine's Daniel Greenfield put it: "A majority of white Democrats have ceased to be Christian."

The journalist stressed that the Democratic Party is not the Democratic Party of decades past.

"The Obama era transformed the country and the party," Greenfield pointed out. "It's often observed that the Democrats of the JFK era are not the Democrats of today … [what's more] … the Democrats of 2019 are not the Democrats of 2009. We are a different nation because of it."

Just look at their proposals

The Democratic Party's split from Christianity and its guiding principles – many of which are reflected in the U.S. Constitution – has reportedly been demonstrated in the radical left ideas and policies being proposed by this year's field of Democratic presidential candidates.

"The [Pew survey results] explain why the Democrat debate stage included a cult leader and a call to go after churches and synagogues that don't back gay marriage," Greenfield argued. "Not even Obama would have proposed such a thing in 2009, but much has changed since then."

In 1963, prayer, Bible reading and the teaching of biblical creation – with evolution being exclusively taught as explaining the origin of man and the universe – were taken out of the public schools. Government statistics show immoral and irresponsible behavior of every kind drastically increased afterward, including sexual activity and the spread of sexually transmitted diseases, violent crime, drug use, divorce and children born out of wedlock, while graduation rates dropped.   https://thenewstalkers.com/vic-eldred/group_discuss/7209/secularism-among-dems-advanced-during-obama-years

 
 
 
CB
1.1  CB   replied to  Heartland American @1    6 days ago
"The Obama era transformed the country and the party," Greenfield pointed out. "It's often observed that the Democrats of the JFK era are not the Democrats of today … [what's more] … the Democrats of 2019 are not the Democrats of 2009. We are a different nation because of it."

If true, and that is a big "IF," so what? Republicans and conservatives still shall not own the political landscape. Barack Hussein Obama is a Christian and is not afraid to let his shadow cross a church threshold. Trump—anything?

Who ended the U.S. recession and established successive steps back to U.S. prosperity? Barack Hussein Obama.

Who picked up and has maintained the Obama prosperity since the U.S. recession? Donald Trump.

No! Donald is LYING. This present "boom" to the economy is not Donald's alone. It is an extenuation of the Barack Hussein Obama-Administration.

Therefore, yes the country has changed somewhat as knowledge has increased. Ignorance as bliss is falling on its own sword. We can have faith, science, harmony, and peace—but only if we pursuit it. Elsewise, we will strive meaninglessly for the rest of our days and at the end of them, society will cover up our bones and launch it's version of a party on top of certain sectors of society's graves. 

 
 
 
Heartland American
1.1.1  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  CB @1.1    6 days ago

Obama gets zero credit for the strong Trump economy.  

 
 
 
CB
1.1.2  CB   replied to  Heartland American @1.1.1    6 days ago

Obama does not need 'credit' from conservatives or Donald. It is a knowable fact written on the 'pages' of time. And there is nothing Trump can do about it. Let this financial extenuation for this country continue, and continue through the next leader after Trump's departure.

Donald Trump, republicans, and conservatives will not be allowed to steal the glory of another leader: Barack Hussein Obama. 44th President of the United States of America!

Psalm 5 NIV

7 “Listen, my people, and I will speak; I will testify against you, Israel:

I am God, your God. 8  I bring no charges against you concerning your sacrifices

or concerning your burnt offerings, which are ever before me. 9  I have no need of a bull from your stall

or of goats from your pens, 10 for every animal of the forest is mine, and the cattle on a thousand hills.

11 I know every bird in the mountains, and the insects in the fields are mine.

12 If I were hungry I would not tell you, for the world is mine, and all that is in it.

13 Do I eat the flesh of bulls or drink the blood of goats?

14 “Sacrifice thank offerings to God, fulfill your vows to the Most High,

15 and call on me in the day of trouble; I will deliver you, and you will honor me.”

16 But to the wicked person, God says:“What right have you to recite my laws

or take my covenant on your lips? 17 You hate my instruction and cast my words behind you.

18 When you see a thief, you join with him; you throw in your lot with adulterers.

19 You use your mouth for evil and harness your tongue to deceit.

20 You sit and testify against your brother and slander your own mother’s son.

21 When you did these things and I kept silent, you thought I was exactly c like you.

But I now arraign you and set my accusations before you.

Now brother, seek and find your role in this psalm.

 
 
 
Tacos!
1.1.3  Tacos!  replied to  CB @1.1.2    5 days ago

That's a good one. I like that. Thanks. I might have reason to use that soon.

 
 
 
CB
1.1.4  CB   replied to  Tacos! @1.1.3    5 days ago

Use it and try hard not to abuse it. God will not like it to be abused.

 
 
 
Heartland American
1.1.5  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  CB @1.1.4    5 days ago

How does it feel to be an ever shrinking part of your party as more who used to be like you join the nones or become ever more anti theist?  I have seen it here where at times you are more disliked by some on the left for still being a believer at all than liked by them for sharing their political ideals and ideas.  While there may always be some secular conservatives and some religious progressives, the trend in both parties is accelerating toward whether one is religious or not is the single biggest identifying factor as to what party a person is aligned with. 

 
 
 
CB
1.1.6  CB   replied to  Heartland American @1.1.5    5 days ago
the trend in both parties is accelerating toward whether one is religious or not is the single biggest identifying factor as to what party a person is aligned with. 

And you see a problem; how? At the point in time where I saw the proverbial, "handwriting on the wall," I stood still and listened to the Spirit of God as it uttered in my spirit: "Trust in God. God can not fail. Do not set off running to and fro." Heartland American, I do not have to be a secularist, and as it turns out I do not have to be an Evangelical Christian of the popular persuasion either. 

What I desire to be is on the Lord's side. Know it. Believe it. Stand on it. I have faith in God not in assorted foolishness.

Oh. What role do you choose for yourself in Psalm 50 above? Don't just keep running, jumping, ducking, and posting incendiary articles. Do delve into your 'confession' and correlate it to the writers' points of view you prepare as a 'buffet' for others. . . . 

You want to lecture some of us, your fellow believers about God; step up and let's talk what doth sayeth the Lord!

 
 
 
katrix
1.1.7  katrix  replied to  CB @1.1    5 days ago
Barack Hussein Obama is a Christian and is not afraid to let his shadow cross a church threshold. Trump—anything?

Trump is not only NOT a Christian, he thinks he is a god - that's far worse than merely being a non-believer. Trump spits in the face not only of our Constitution, but of religion.

 
 
 
CB
1.1.8  CB   replied to  katrix @1.1.7    5 days ago
Trump spits in the face not only of our Constitution, but of religion.

It is plain to see that he certainly has White Evangelical Christians noses wide open! On the other-hand their entanglement is cemented so strongly at this point, it will take some forensics or loosening of the binding to distinguish who has whom!

 
 
 
Heartland American
1.1.9  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  katrix @1.1.7    4 days ago

That’s ridiculous.  Trump is accepting of Christianity now and he’s never ever claimed to be a God.  

 
 
 
CB
1.1.10  CB   replied to  Heartland American @1.1.9    4 days ago

Heartland American, what does the New Testament books say about (the deception) of lying? Share chapter and verse if you know it.

Is President Donald Trump a repeat liar, in your opinion?

 
 
 
Heartland American
1.1.11  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  CB @1.1.4    3 days ago

What makes you think we would abuse it?  Neither of us accused you of doing that.  

 
 
 
CB
1.1.12  CB   replied to  Heartland American @1.1.11    2 days ago

See @1.1.10, please.

 
 
 
bbl-1
2  bbl-1    6 days ago

Nope CH4P.  Secularism advanced freedom. prosperity and a cohesive sense of belonging in America.

I remember the mid 50s when the 'bible teacher from the Evangelical United Brethren' came on Wednesdays and the few Catholic kids in our class were sent to the back room.  They were my friends. 

Religion is evil.

When the right wing is flummoxed for words it just brings out the Obama/Clinton things for its Pavlov Dog people.  Gives em' something to do I guess. 

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
2.1  Freedom Warrior  replied to  bbl-1 @2    6 days ago

If religion is so evil why is it that I suffer continually at the hand of left-wing irreligious fukwadism and yet the best things in my life have come from those who are Christians.

 
 
 
Heartland American
2.1.1  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  Freedom Warrior @2.1    6 days ago

And even here the vicious vindictiveness most often is condescending arrogance directed at believers from those who militantly aren’t.  

 
 
 
bbl-1
2.1.2  bbl-1  replied to  Freedom Warrior @2.1    6 days ago

You suffer?  How?

Best things in your life from christians?  Like cakes and stuff?

 
 
 
Tessylo
2.1.3  Tessylo  replied to  Freedom Warrior @2.1    5 days ago

How so Comrade?  jrSmiley_44_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
MrFrost
2.1.4  MrFrost  replied to  bbl-1 @2.1.2    5 days ago
Best things in your life from christians?  Like cakes and stuff?

384

 
 
 
cjcold
2.1.5  cjcold  replied to  Freedom Warrior @2.1    5 days ago

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Texan1211
2.1.6  Texan1211  replied to  cjcold @2.1.5    5 days ago

Where did you hear that?

Got a source?

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
2.1.7  Freedom Warrior  replied to  bbl-1 @2.1.2    5 days ago

Disrespecting  love and the sanctity of human life is about as low as one can go. 

I  consider such comments revealing of a true lack of character. 

 
 
 
Heartland American
2.1.8  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.6    4 days ago

Inquiring minds want to know.  

 
 
 
Heartland American
2.2  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  bbl-1 @2    6 days ago

There is a coordinated and powerful assault on religion in America from modern secularists and progressives driven by the complete moral relativism that defines their worldviews. This sustained assault was recently described eloquently by Attorney General William Barr in a  wonderful speech delivered at the Notre Dame Law School : “Secularists, and their allies among the ‘progressives,’ have marshaled all the force of mass communications, popular culture, the entertainment industry and academia, in an unremitting assault on religion and traditional values. These instruments are used not only to affirmatively promote secular orthodoxy, but also drown out and silence opposing voices and to attack viciously and hold up to ridicule any dissenters.”

One of the most destructive and comprehensive results of this massive assault on religion in America is that according to an August  Wall Street Journal poll , only 30% of 18- to 30-year-old Americans listed religion or belief in God as very important, compared with 50% of Americans overall and two-thirds of those 55 and older. In other words, today’s generation of young people is the least religious generation that America has ever seen.

Ideas have consequences; bad ideas have bad consequences. The secularist attack on religion has hollowed out the faith of our nation, especially among the young. We must respond with a clarion defense of the Gospel of life in Jesus Christ.

The attorney general helped in this effort by starting his address to Notre Dame students by enunciating an eloquent defense of religious liberty—what my Baptist forefathers called “soul freedom.” He pointed out quite correctly that our founding fathers believed emphatically in religious freedom for many reasons, perhaps chiefly because they believed religion was indispensable in sustaining a new and unique free system of government articulated in the Declaration of Independence and in the Constitution. Our founding fathers called our Constitution “the great experiment.” Placing their trust in the American peoples’ self-restraint, doing the right thing because a higher power expected them to do so.

As Barr pointed out in his speech, “This is really what was meant by ‘self-government.’ It did not mean primarily the mechanics by which we select a representative legislative body. It referred to the capacity of each individual to restrain and govern themselves.” As John Adams, our second president and a chief architect of the Constitution put it, “We have no government armed with the power which is capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate for the government of any other.”

Without a religious people voluntarily obeying the law, our freedoms will wither into license and lawlessness and die and will in all probability be replaced by a far more restrictive and oppressive government presence in order to restore “order” over chaos.

As the British philosopher G. K. Chesterton observed in “What I Saw in America:”

“America is the only nation in the world that is founded on a creed. That creed is set forth with dogmatic and even theological lucidity in the Declaration of Independence; perhaps the only piece of practical politics that is also theoretical politics and also great literature. It enunciates that all men are equal in their claim to justice, that governments exist to give them that justice, and that their authority is for that reason just. It certainly does condemn anarchism, and it does also by inference condemn atheism, since it clearly names the Creator as the ultimate authority from whom these equal rights are derived.”

Back to Barr’s speech—the attorney general went on to say that “one of the ironies, as some have observed, is that the secular project has itself become a religion pursued with religious fervor. It is taking on all the trappings of a religion, including inquisitions and excommunications. Those who defy the creed risk a figurative burning at the stake, social, educational and professional ostracism, and exclusion waged through lawsuits and savage social media campaigns.”

In other words, the new irreligion is terribly intolerant. The attorney general points out as well that as the social consequences of this moral relativism pile up, today “instead of addressing the underlying causes, we have made the State in the role of Alleviator of Bad Consequences,” calling “on the State to mitigate the social costs of personal misconduct and irresponsibility. … The reaction to drug addiction is safe injection site. The solution to the breakdown of the family is for the State to set itself up as an ersatz husband for single mothers and an ersatz father to their children.”

Barr goes on to explain that Judeo Christian moral standards “are like God's instruction manual for the best running of man and human society.” As religion has come under unprecedented assault from secularists and progressives in America over the past half century, the results have been catastrophic. As Barr concluded, “The campaign to destroy the traditional moral order has brought with it immense suffering, wreckage and misery.” He then asked the progressives rhetorically, “Where’s the progress?”

The attorney general then pointed out that secular religion is very intolerant of any dissent and is weaponizing law and government to coerce people of traditional faith to violate their deeply held beliefs and consciences. He also points out that irreligion and secularists are forcing their values and their beliefs on people of traditional faith, seeking to coerce them under penalty of law. Mr. Barr then pledges to defend freedom of conscience as long as he is the attorney general of the United States.

Barr identifies and unmasks the unprecedented secularist onslaught against traditional religion in America and the dire consequences it has brought upon our society. The attorney general points out that as Christians, we need to promote renewal by making sure we are putting our spiritual beliefs into practice in our own lives and the lives of our families. “We understand that only by transforming ourselves can we transform the world beyond ourselves.” He closed by promising that as long as he was attorney general, the Department of Justice would vigorously defend religious freedom.

I, for one, am very grateful to God that he has raised up Attorney General Barr to defend freedom of conscience and religious liberty in time of great peril.

Predictably, the reaction to Bill Barr's speech was swift, apoplectic and shrill. As my East Texas grandmother used to often say, “You throw a rock into a pack of dogs. It’s the one that yelps that got hit.” Well, the yelping was loud, frantic and immediate. A few examples: The infamously wrong  Paul Krugman  accused Bill Barr of “religious bigotry.”  Richard Painter  tweeted that Bill Barr sounded like Joseph Goebbels, Hitler’s propaganda minister. Meanwhile, retired  Army Col. Lawrence Wilkerson , once chief of staff to Secretary of State Colin Powell, told MSNBC’s Joy Reid that Barr is “Torquemada in a business suit,” a reference to the Spanish Inquisition’s infamous grand inquisitor.

It sounded an awful lot like yelping to me. Thank God for Bill Barr.

(Dr. Richard Land is president of  Southern Evangelical Seminary  and serves on President Donald Trump’s f aith advisory board.)   https://townhall.com/columnists/richardland/2019/11/07/the-war-on-religion-n2556059

 
 
 
Heartland American
2.2.1  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  Heartland American @2.2    6 days ago

Fortunately we have an administration and an AG to protect us.  

 
 
 
bbl-1
2.2.2  bbl-1  replied to  Heartland American @2.2.1    6 days ago

Protect you from what?  Birth control?

 
 
 
Heartland American
2.2.3  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  bbl-1 @2.2.2    6 days ago

No. Protect us from persecution and from anti Christian bigotry.  

 
 
 
bbl-1
2.2.4  bbl-1  replied to  Heartland American @2.2.3    6 days ago

( Persecution )   The magic word when a real one is non-existent.

 
 
 
Tessylo
2.2.5  Tessylo  replied to  Heartland American @2.2.3    5 days ago

Where and when exactly does this persecution and bigotry happen?

I  mean every day, it's the 'christian's' being attacked for their beliefs.

Again, I've yet to see it, ANYWHERE.  

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
2.2.6  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tessylo @2.2.5    5 days ago

Just read some of the comments here daily. Of course one would need clear vision to see it so I won't hold my breath while you figure it out.

 
 
 
Tessylo
2.2.7  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.2.6    5 days ago
Where and when exactly does this persecution and bigotry happen?

I  mean every day, it's the 'christian's' being attacked for their beliefs.

Again, I've yet to see it, ANYWHERE.

 
 
 
Tessylo
2.2.8  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.2.6    5 days ago

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Just Jim NC TttH
2.2.9  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tessylo @2.2.8    5 days ago

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Dismayed Patriot
2.2.10  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.2.6    5 days ago
Just read some of the comments here daily. Of course one would need clear vision to see it so I won't hold my breath while you figure it out.

Ah. So asking someone for proof of their version of God is "persecution"? Disputing claims that have been made with zero evidence is somehow an "attack"? Saying "Happy Holidays" instead of giving some peoples desired reverence to their deity is a "war on Christians"?

Being daily disappointed by the lack of cogent responses and complete absence of any credibility from the fundamentalists who constantly make claims with zero evidence while at the same time they condemn others for not living up to their invented standards is really only persecution for those of us who have to suffer their impotent fury. Being constantly accused of being a sinner and told you're going to burn for eternity in hellfire if you don't comply with some unproved mumbo jumbo is the real persecution that's been going on for centuries. Only now that there is a small group, less than 5% non-believers, who start pushing back against the stranglehold these world religions have had on mankind are we hearing such nonsense from the believers like claiming they're the ones under attack.

 
 
 
Heartland American
2.2.11  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  Tessylo @2.2.7    5 days ago

We are not going to name names but there is a clear and present bigotry and condescending arrogance by some against Christians and virtually everything we believe.  

 
 
 
CB
2.2.12  CB   replied to  Tessylo @2.2.8    5 days ago

Republican voters—yes, you conservatives, who are standing will Donald as his donalders have hoped every president they elected would be as grabby and brash as Donald Trump. It's true. That is why they stand with Donald in the firestorm he is in (of his own making). The republicans and conservatives who have left the party or left Trump anyway are not as crude. The picture is stark.

Now then, if you can visualize the above in your mind's eye as two pods, which pod are the White Evangelicals Christians who MOUTH the words love all day long and into the night in?

 
 
 
katrix
2.2.13  katrix  replied to  Heartland American @2.2.11    5 days ago
We are not going to name names but there is a clear and present bigotry and condescending arrogance by some against Christians and virtually everything we believe.  

You're projecting your behavior onto others. Your disdain for atheists and non-fundies is well noted, as is your disdain for logic and facts.

You seem to forget we've all seen the dominionist bullshit you post in here, where you've made it clear that you want to force your warped version of religion into our government, our laws, and our schools. You have no tolerance for anyone, even other Christians, who doesn't follow your specific delusions. Take your Christian Sharia law and move to a country where it's welcome; luckily, our Constitution prevents you from instituting your evil crap onto me.

 
 
 
Heartland American
2.2.14  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  Heartland American @2.2    4 days ago

It is in fact a secular war on religion and most all of their fire is aimed at Christianity and Christians 

 
 
 
CB
2.2.15  CB   replied to  Heartland American @2.2.14    4 days ago

This could possibly be a 'both sides' matter. Is there a White Evangelical Christan war on Secularism? Context:

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You know the one about people living in glass houses and not hurling rocks, boulders, stones, and bullets? We especially know that Sebastian Gorka is a rabid Trump supporter. Trump is no political friend to secularism.

 
 
 
Heartland American
2.2.16  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  Tessylo @2.2.5    4 days ago

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Heartland American
2.2.18  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  katrix @2.2.13    4 days ago

I’m not a dominionist and I have no desire to force any one to become a Christian or believe exactly as I do.  I’m also an implacable opponent of any trace of Sharia law being introduced into American law.  

 
 
 
NV-Robin6
2.2.19  NV-Robin6  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @2.2.10    2 days ago

Exactly! Well said. 

What a bunch of whiny-assed snowflakes. I would think their all powerful skydaddy should show up about now, strike us all down dead. That's really what they're hoping for. They can't stand losing control of everyone else and are totally off the deep end. 

It gives me no pleasure to see it, butt...wow,  the foam dripping out of their mouths is visible in their written words and in all the hunting for their John Bircher thinks alike articles. 

Sorry about their bad luck. We aren't buying it. Never will! 

 
 
 
NV-Robin6
2.2.20  NV-Robin6  replied to  Heartland American @2.2.18    2 days ago

From everything you say to everything you post,  I do not believe your claim. Your actions, your hatred speak exactly you're a dominionist. Nothing but.

 
 
 
Heartland American
2.2.21  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  NV-Robin6 @2.2.19    2 days ago

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Heartland American
2.2.22  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  NV-Robin6 @2.2.20    2 days ago

That you don’t believe what I said means less than nothing to me.  Considering the source the posted  words are a badge of honor to me.  I said what I said and stand by it.  

 
 
 
Heartland American
2.2.23  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  Tessylo @2.2.5    2 days ago

Mussie Eyob became a Christian in 2008. In 2011, while living in Saudi Arabia, he visited a local mosque in Jeddah to meet and talk with attendees about Christianity. On Feb. 12, he was arrested for preaching to Muslims and imprisoned in Saudi Arabia. 

Proselytizing is a capital offence in Saudi Arabia, but following appeals from human rights groups and individuals, Saudi authorities decided to deport him instead of carrying out the death sentence. He was deported back to Eritrea in November 2011. A VOM partner suggested that Mussie choose to be deported to Ethiopia, but Mussie opted to be returned to Eritrea. 

He arrived in Asmara at the beginning of November 2011 and about three weeks later, VOM partners reported that he had simply disappeared into the vast prison system, where many Eritrean pastors and evangelists have been detained incommunicado.

For a long time, because Mussie had been living abroad and was not well known to local Christians, no one knew exactly where he was being held. Eventually, VOM partners learned that Mussie was being held at the Me’etr prison in north west Eritrea. 

Me’etr prison camp was opened in 2007 specifically to house Christians who were arrested for their faith. In 2009, at least two detained Eritrean Christians, Mogos Hagos Kiflom, 37, and Mehari Gebreneguse Asgedom, 42, died in Me’etr. Presently Me’etr is not as brutal as some of the other prisons, but it is situated in a dry, barren, inhospitable area with harsh weather conditions for most of the year. The prison itself is like a labor camp where prisoners are required to work the land, something that is extremely difficult for prisoners who are old or infirm. Most prisoners in Me’etr have been there for more than six years; some for ten. 

At last report, Mussie appears to be in reasonably good health and he tries to work on behalf of the sick and the weak. Before he was arrested, Mussie supported his mother and sister.   https://www.prisoneralert.com/pprofiles/vp_prisoner_268_profile.html

 
 
 
Heartland American
2.2.24  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  NV-Robin6 @2.2.20    17 hours ago
Image credit: (AP Photo)

The American Bible Society has given away 6,000 Bibles around the world to Kanye West fans in less than two weeks – for free.

After the megastar released his new album "Jesus is King," the society saw a large spike in Google searches like "What does Kanye believe?"

The album hit number one across the major music genres, with each song landing in Billboard's Hot 100.  Kanye has rocked  the entertainment world by openly sharing his radical faith transformation and helping to lead thousands to Christ in the process. 

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The American Bible Society promised to send a free Bible to any curious Kanye fan that wanted to learn more about his decision to follow Christ.

At first, the offer was for 1,000 free Bibles until October 30, but the demand was so strong the society has extended the offer until November 22.
 
"No matter what you think about Kanye's politics, art, or faith, there's no denying that his comments and album have sparked a huge wave of curiosity and interest," said Robert Briggs, interim president and CEO at American Bible Society. 

"We love it when these topics emerge in the news cycle and are excited to be able to share the Bible with the curious – no matter their background, interest level or motivation." 

The ministry's purpose is to provide Bibles to people who may be seeking spiritual answers. 

Anyone in the US interested in receiving a Bible – completely free of charge – can fill out the form at this link:  abs.bible/kanye .   https://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/entertainment/2019/november/american-bible-society-gives-thousands-of-free-bibles-to-kanye-west-fans-hungry-to-learn-about-god

 
 
 
Heartland American
2.3  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  bbl-1 @2    3 days ago

Secularism is evil.                                         When the left wing is flummoxed for words it just brings out the Trump/Reagan things for its Pavlov Dog people.  Gives em’ something to do I guess.  

 
 
 
NV-Robin6
2.3.1  NV-Robin6  replied to  Heartland American @2.3    2 days ago

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Heartland American
2.3.2  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  Heartland American @2.3    2 days ago

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Tessylo
3  Tessylo    5 days ago

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Heartland American
3.1.1  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  It Is ME @3.1    5 days ago

Former President Barack Obama has a message for the "politically woke" crowd that has become prolific on social media in recent years: Get over it. 

Obama called out young progressives for being too ideologically rigid and judgmental during an interview Tuesday moderated by "Grown-ish" star Yara Shahidi at the  Obama Foundation Summit in Chicago. 

"This idea of purity and you're never compromised and you're always politically woke and all that stuff, you should get over that quickly," the two-term Democrat said. "The world is messy. There are ambiguities. People who do really good stuff have flaws. People who you are fighting may love their kids and share certain things with you."

Obama said he has particularly noticed the trend on college campuses he has visited with his daughter Malia. He described it as a "danger" that is "accelerated by social media." 

 
 
 
It Is ME
3.1.2  It Is ME  replied to  Heartland American @3.1.1    5 days ago

Yep ! jrSmiley_9_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Heartland American
3.1.3  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  It Is ME @3.1.2    4 days ago

And now young college progressives are turning against Obama and his words above.  

 
 
 
bbl-1
3.2  bbl-1  replied to  Tessylo @3    5 days ago

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bbl-1
3.2.1  bbl-1  replied to  bbl-1 @3.2    4 days ago

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bbl-1
3.2.2  bbl-1  replied to  bbl-1 @3.2.1    3 days ago

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bbl-1
3.2.3  bbl-1  replied to  bbl-1 @3.2.2    3 days ago

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bbl-1
3.2.4  bbl-1  replied to  bbl-1 @3.2.3    3 days ago

Holy Crackers.

 
 
 
Heartland American
3.2.5  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  bbl-1 @3.2.4    3 days ago

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JBB
4  JBB    5 days ago

Secularism is the opposite of fundamentalism...

Which is good unless you are a fundamentalist!

As fundamentalism is a scourge upon humanity.

 
 
 
Heartland American
4.1  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  JBB @4    4 days ago

Actually the SPLC is a scourge upon humanity. A terrorist inspiring sexist and racist hate group whose founders were corrupt.  

 
 
 
cjcold
4.1.1  cjcold  replied to  Heartland American @4.1    2 days ago

The SPLC is a bastion against far right wing militant hate groups of which there are far too many. 

In the USA right wing extremist groups were/are responsible for the vast majority of terrorist threats and terrorist violence. 

Thank God for the SPLC for helping to protect us rational folk from his addled, violent, hate filled, religious fanatical fascists.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
4.1.2  Sean Treacy  replied to  cjcold @4.1.1    2 days ago
SA right wing extremist groups were/are responsible for the vast majority of terrorist threa

The SPLC is a scam that generated millions for it's owner (who worked for the KKK before realizing where the real money was) and existed mainly as a marketing tool for bilking gullible northern liberals.

At the same time it shilled for liberals money by scaring them, the SPLC itself was discriminating against it's own women and minority employees. No surprise to anyone who knows anything about it, but the SPLC is one of the most racist organizations in the country, and had to clean house because of  it's own racism.

I can only imagine how embarrassed supporters of the SPLC must be when they actually learn the first thing about what Morris Dees and company were actually doing: "The S.P.L.C., making hate pay" 

 
 
 
Heartland American
4.1.3  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  Sean Treacy @4.1.2    2 days ago

You are correct about that terrorist inspiring hate group founded and long operated by corrupt intolerant misogynistic bigots.  The organization and its membership have no redeeming value .  

 
 
 
JBB
5  JBB    5 days ago

I am sick and damn tired of the lousy lying gop turning perfectly good words into supposedly really bad things and then abusing them to mislabel half their fellow Americans unfairly and dishonestly! Aren't you, too?

 
 
 
Heartland American
5.1  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  JBB @5    4 days ago

I am sick and darn tired of the lousy lying democrats turning perfectly good words into supposedly really bad things and then abusing them to mislabel half their fellow Americans unfairly and dishonestly! Aren't you, too?

 
 
 
MrFrost
6  MrFrost    5 days ago

We live in a secular society, not a theocracy. Sorry. 

 
 
 
NV-Robin6
6.1  NV-Robin6  replied to  MrFrost @6    3 days ago

These guys are nothing more than John Birchers. The most corrupted fundamentalist society to hit America.

Live testimony this week.

Let the games begin.

 
 
 
Heartland American
6.1.1  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  NV-Robin6 @6.1    2 days ago

Nice sweeping generalizations.... we will wear them as badges of honor considering the source.  

 
 
 
MrFrost
7  MrFrost    5 days ago

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CB
7.1  CB   replied to  MrFrost @7    5 days ago

And Jesus said to them: 'You have your reward already.'

 
 
 
Heartland American
7.1.1  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  CB @7.1    3 days ago

Do you think Jesus is going to prefer to save secular progressives and prefer to send us conservative evangelical believers to the lost category?  

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
8  sandy-2021492    5 days ago

Linked article does not match seed.  Locking until the seeder fixes the link.

 
 
 
Heartland American
8.1  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  sandy-2021492 @8    4 days ago

It’s been repaired and we are open for business!  

 
 
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