Missile attacks target US forces in Iraq, senior military source says; Iran suspected

  
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Missile attacks target US forces in Iraq, senior military source says; Iran suspected
 

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Missiles were fired early Wednesday in multiple locations across Iraq, a senior U.S. military source in the country told Fox News, describing it as a series of attacks on U.S. forces from Iran.

Missiles were fired early Wednesday in multiple locations across   Iraq , a senior   U.S. military   source in the country told Fox News, describing it as a series of attacks on U.S. forces from   Iran .

The source told Fox News' Jennifer Griffin: "Under missile attack from Iran. These are either cruise missiles or short-range ballistic missiles. All over the country." The missiles struck near Al Assad Air Base in Anbar, among other locations. There was no immediate word on injuries or damage.
Meantime, Iran state TV claimed Tehran launched "tens" of surface-to-surface missiles at Iraq's Ain Assad air base housing U.S. troops.
It came days after Iranian Quds Force  Gen. Qassem Soleimani  was killed in a U.S. airstrike in Baghdad's  airport . A senior Iraqi commander of an Iran-backed militia also was killed. The U.S. blamed Soleimani for the killing of hundreds of American troops, and said he was plotting new attacks just before his death.

Iranian officials and  President Trump  have  traded threats  since Soleimani's death, and more U.S. troops have been  deployed to the region  amid heightened tensions.

Iran-backed militias in Iraq, known as the Popular Mobilization Forces (PMF), have threatened revenge on American interests and personnel for the killings.

This is a developing story; check back for updates. Fox News' Jennifer Griffin contributed to this report.


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Vic Eldred
1  seeder  Vic Eldred    2 months ago

A strong targeted response to follow, I'm sure!

 
 
 
KDMichigan
1.1  KDMichigan  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    2 months ago

We will see. Iran does not want to get into a missile launching war with us.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
1.1.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  KDMichigan @1.1    2 months ago

They are saying that Iran launched about 30 Ballistic Missiles at the major air base used by the US

 
 
 
Krishna
1.2  Krishna  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    2 months ago
A strong targeted response to follow, I'm sure!

Yes-- Trump is a typical Chicken-Hawk Neo-Con-- he certainly has no hesitation in putting Americans in harms way.

(Hopefully his advisors will get to him and get our soldiers out before many are killed or maimed for life).

He's performing as I expected-- supporting our Endless Middle eastern Wars by sending in more and more American soldiers to die! :-(

Up until now I thought he was pretty much a shoo-in to win re-election-- but as casulatuies mount, IMO the chances of his winning re-election grow less likely... (yes-- even despite the lackluster democratic fiels, and despite the economy...Americans are growing sick of these endless wars...

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
1.2.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Krishna @1.2    2 months ago
Yes-- Trump is a typical Chicken-Hawk Neo-Con-- he certainly has no hesitation in putting Americans in harms way.

Oh ya you prefer straight cowards. You and the media can back Iran now. The rest of the country will rally behind the Commander-in-Chief.

(Hopefully his advisors will get to him and get our soldiers out before many are killed or maimed for life).

You should have thought of that when Obama was giving them cash.

He's performing as I expected-- supporting our Endless Middle eastern Wars by sending in more and more American soldiers to die!

The Iranian's were counting on the left.


Up until now I thought he was pretty much a shoo-in to win re-election-- but as casulatuies mount, IMO the chances of his winning re-election grow less likely..

That's the Iranian game. They want a democrat!

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2  XDm9mm    2 months ago

I heard that on the news myself.  Apparently, Iran is targeting a major installation in Iraq (personally familiar with it) but haven't heard of any major damage yet.   I'm trying to reach out to a few people I know over there.

Time will tell if I come out of retirement full time.  

I'm wondering what the response will be if there are, HOPEFULLY, no casualties.  If they've hurt or killed any American personnel, all bets are off.  I can hear the bunker busters and MOAB's being loaded already.

 
 
 
Krishna
2.1  Krishna  replied to  XDm9mm @2    2 months ago

I'm wondering what the response will be if there are, HOPEFULLY, no casualties.  If they've hurt or killed any American personnel, all bets are off.  I can hear the bunker busters and MOAB's being loaded already.

So what is your best guess as to the number of American dead and wounded as a result of these foolish actions?

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
2.1.1  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Krishna @2.1    2 months ago

A passenger jet went down.  The plane was relatively new and had passed all safety checks two days prior so it may have gotten caught in the crossfire.  Over 200 lives were lost with no survivors.  I wonder what Canada's response will be as there were at least 20 of their citizens on board.  The rest of the major carriers are now changing routes to avoid the air space where the conflict is occurring.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
2.1.2  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @2.1.1    2 months ago

And Iran is refusing to turn over the black box to Boeing.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
2.1.3  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.2    2 months ago

Color me shocked.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
2.1.4  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @2.1.3    2 months ago

"Ukraine's foreign minister, Vadym Prystaiko,  said in a tweet  that there were 82 Iranians, 63 Canadians and 11 Ukrainians on board — the Ukrainian nationals included two passengers and the nine crew members. There were also 10 Swedish, four Afghan, three German and three British nationals, according to his tweet."

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Sunshine
2.1.5  Sunshine  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @2.1.1    2 months ago
have gotten caught in the crossfire. 

What crossfire? The plane departed hours after the last missile was released. 

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
2.1.6  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Sunshine @2.1.5    2 months ago

Then why as Vic stated won't they turn over the black box if they have nothing to hide?

 
 
 
bugsy
2.1.7  bugsy  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @2.1.6    2 months ago
Then why as Vic stated won't they turn over the black box if they have nothing to hide?

Quite possibly for Iran to give the American left plenty of time to blame the crash on Trump...s/

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.1.8  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.4    2 months ago

It is believed that Iran launched the missiles from an area considerably to the west from where the airplane crashed,

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and of course the missiles went west once they were in the air, because Iraq is west of Iran. Unless one of the missiles went backwards, it doesnt seem as though one of those missiles could have hit the passenger plane. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.1.9  JohnRussell  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @2.1.6    2 months ago

Paula, dont feed the conspiracy theories. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
2.1.10  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.8    2 months ago

John, can we see where you got that info?

 
 
 
Sunshine
2.1.11  Sunshine  replied to  bugsy @2.1.7    2 months ago
Quite possibly for Iran to give the American left plenty of time to blame the crash on Trump...s/

lol

 
 
 
bugsy
2.1.12  bugsy  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.9    2 months ago
dont feed the conspiracy theories. 

Then why do you constantly seed them?....with no proof, of course!

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.1.13  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.10    2 months ago

from looking at a map

if the missiles were launched from somewhere nearer the border they could not have hit the airplane.

I dont have definitive information about that,  just a website I saw when I searched for the site of the missile launch. 

https://libertyunyielding.com/2020/01/07/iran-launches-more-than-a-dozen-missiles-at-iraqi-bases-used-by-american-forces/

It is a far right site so I suppose their information could be bogus. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.1.14  JohnRussell  replied to  bugsy @2.1.12    2 months ago

Your comments consistently make no sense, yet you keep making them. Very odd. 

 
 
 
bugsy
2.1.16  bugsy  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.14    2 months ago
Your comments consistently make no sense, yet you keep making them. Very odd. 

Not odd at all...you responded to my post, so obviously you recognized my truth telling for what it is...the truth.

You're welcome...

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
2.1.17  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.13    2 months ago

All that was of interest to you in the article was the map?  It was an early report of the missile attack. No mention of the plane.

I concede that we know little about how/why the plane went down. So, why the need on your part to say Iran couldn't do it?  Is that what you are saying?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.1.18  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.17    2 months ago
All that was of interest to you in the article was the map?  It was an early report of the missile attack. No mention of the plane.I concede that we know little about how/why the plane went down. So, why the need on your part to say Iran couldn't do it?  Is that what you are saying

All I am saying is that if the missiles were launched to the west of the plane crash it is highly unlikely that a missile hit the plane. You appear to be assuming a missile did hit the plane because Iran wont give the black box to Boeing. Does that strike you as an irrefutable cause and effect? lol. 

Supposedly the US can track every missile launch from Iran. They should have the definitive answer as to whether or not a missile hit the plane. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
2.1.19  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.18    2 months ago
All I am saying is that if the missiles were launched to the west of the plane crash it is highly unlikely that a missile hit the plane.

Fair enough, but it is equally fair for Paula to question why Iran wouldn't turn over the black box.

You appear to be assuming a missile did hit the plane because Iran wont give the black box to Boeing.

I'm not assuming anything. Turning over the black box is standard procedure. 

Does that strike you as an irrefutable cause and effect?

No it dosen't, but Iran was in the midst of offensive actions that night. We simply don't know what happened. Nobody should be saying what did or didn't happen. I think any reasonable person would agree that Iran is capable of shooting that plane down especially in the fog of war.


Supposedly the US can track every missile launch from Iran. They should have the definitive answer as to whether or not a missile hit the plane. 

We shall see.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.1.20  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.19    2 months ago

Actually I think a good suspicion would be that there was some one or some people on that plane that Putin wanted dead. It was a Ukrainan airliner after all.  An  onboard bomb is a possibility. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.1.21  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.19    2 months ago

Trump is 20 minutes late for his big speech on the missile attack. 

Still scribbling. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
2.1.22  Tessylo  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.21    2 months ago

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Vic Eldred
2.1.23  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.20    2 months ago

Oh, "Russia"!!!!  Now that is a conspiracy theory!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
2.1.24  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.21    2 months ago
Trump is 20 minutes late for his big speech on the missile attack. 

Maybe talking to allies. Iranians & progressives eagerly await!

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.1.25  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.24    2 months ago
Maybe talking to allies.

Trump has no international allies. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
2.1.26  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.24    2 months ago

There you go......The Commander-in-Chief offers Iran one more chance for peace

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
2.1.27  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.25    2 months ago
Trump has no international allies. 

We have allies, they simply have little military strength, except for Turkey!

 
 
 
bugsy
2.1.28  bugsy  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.26    2 months ago

My guess is the left is going to once again claim Trump rolled over and showed his weakness to Iran.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
2.1.29  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  bugsy @2.1.28    2 months ago

Absolutely. It's a simple playbook. The American people should be polled on how he handled this.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
2.1.30  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.18    2 months ago

It was most likely Iranian air defense mistaking the 737 for an American plane, not missiles being shot toward Iraq

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
2.1.31  Sean Treacy  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @2.1.6    2 months ago

Well there wasn't any crossfire. All the firing came from Iran.  This was probably their air defense seeing a blip on the radar and making a mistake. 

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
2.1.32  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.9    2 months ago

My bad...apologies.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
3  1stwarrior    2 months ago

I don't think those were government sanctioned strikes.  I believe the Iranian government has a much larger arsenal available.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
3.1  XDm9mm  replied to  1stwarrior @3    2 months ago
I don't think those were government sanctioned strikes.

Evening 1st....

Iran has already declared responsibility.

 
 
 
Split Personality
3.1.1  Split Personality  replied to  XDm9mm @3.1    2 months ago

and they said this all would have been handled differently if the US had remained silent or even denied killing Soleimani,

but since the President took full credit and doubled down, they were forced to act.

Seems like they are using new ballistic missiles and tried to pepper the perimeters without a lot of damage.

That shows us at least a portion of their range and to a degree target control.

They said "let this be the end of this", if not and the POTUS retaliates

they will target Haifa and Dubai.

 
 
 
KDMichigan
3.1.2  KDMichigan  replied to  Split Personality @3.1.1    2 months ago
this all would have been handled differently if the US had remained silent or even denied killing Soleimani,

Ah yes more proglib defense of Iran, color me shocked.

 they were forced to act.

Since it appears that Iran was responsible for killing Americans and orchestrating attacks on our embassies we were forced to act. But you just keep defending Iran because you know....But Trump.

Seems like they are using new ballistic missiles and tried to pepper the perimeters without a lot of damage.

Wow thanks for sharing your awesome knowledge of Iran's military strategies /s  Just more cheering by you for Iran because you know.....But Trump.

They said "let this be the end of this",

They did? You have a source? I myself find your making excuses for Iran rather disgusting but it shows just how far people with a severe case of TDS will go.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
3.1.3  JohnRussell  replied to  KDMichigan @3.1.2    2 months ago

When you finally make a post without using the silly invention "TDS" we will send you a nice yummy cookie with a glass of cold milk. 

 
 
 
KDMichigan
3.1.4  KDMichigan  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.3    2 months ago

Thank you for your valuable and insightful input.

 
 
 
Krishna
3.2  Krishna  replied to  1stwarrior @3    2 months ago
I believe the Iranian government has a much larger arsenal available.

Well its only just begun...

 
 
 
JBB
4  JBB    2 months ago

One Two Three What Are We Fighting For?

The Bone Spur Kept Him Out Of Vietnam...

Now Don's Sons Are All Too Olde For Iran...

So Tell Us Why We Should Gave A Damn...

 
 
 
JohnRussell
4.1  JohnRussell  replied to  JBB @4    2 months ago

Very good, lol. 

 
 
 
KDMichigan
4.2  KDMichigan  replied to  JBB @4    2 months ago
One Two Three What Are We Fighting For?

We are fighting because Iran killed Americans. Don't you think it's better to defend American lives than be a pussy like obama ?

President Trump made sure obama took his red crayon with him when he shuffled out of the White House, he didn't need the great leader from behinds diplomacy tools. 

 
 
 
JBB
4.2.1  JBB  replied to  KDMichigan @4.2    2 months ago

Don't you mean because Trump is impeached and is desperate to divert attention from all that? BTW, getting us into another ill considered foreign war is just what we do not need right now since we are not even in control of Afghanistan and Iraq is blowing up again, too. So, y'all enjoy your little war party tonight because the hangover is going to be deadly. Iran is not Iraq...

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
4.2.2  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  JBB @4.2.1    2 months ago

Oh, that's why Iran is doing this?


Iran is not Iraq...

And Trump is not Obama!

 
 
 
Krishna
4.2.3  Krishna  replied to  KDMichigan @4.2    2 months ago
Don't you think it's better to defend American lives than be a pussy like obama ?

We could save lives by ending these endless wars and getting out of the Middle-East!

As a result of trump'sd actions, more American soldiers will die -- we should have left the Middle east long ago.

 
 
 
KDMichigan
4.2.4  KDMichigan  replied to  JBB @4.2.1    2 months ago
Don't you mean

No

BTW, getting us into another ill considered foreign war 

Like I said The pussy obama is no longer in the white house. Iran attacked are citizens and its just sad that the TDS sufferers would rather tell their relatives tough shit because, you know, Trump. 

Lets hope we wake up to totaled nuclear facilities.

 

 
 
 
KDMichigan
4.2.5  KDMichigan  replied to  Krishna @4.2.3    2 months ago
As a result of trump'sd actions

Bullshit.

more American soldiers will die

Pure speculation.

 we should have left the Middle east long ago.

My sentiments exactly, but lets leave Iran a pile of rubble before we pull out in my opinion. I have two cousins that died over in Iraq and it could very well have been by roadside bombs supplied by Iran. 

Iran has just took it up a notch launching missiles from Iran at American forces. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
4.2.6  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  KDMichigan @4.2    2 months ago

Obama didn't use a crayon, he used chalk because it's easier to erase. 

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
4.2.7  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @4.2.6    2 months ago

Unlike a black magic marker.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
4.3  XDm9mm  replied to  JBB @4    2 months ago
So Tell Us Why We Should Gave A Damn...

Because the scumbag killed was responsible for killing over 500 hundred Americans and wounding, maiming and crippling thousands more.

That's good enough reason for me.

 
 
 
JBB
4.3.1  JBB  replied to  XDm9mm @4.3    2 months ago

Basher Assad and Jim Jong Ill are way worse and responsible for a thousand times more innocent deaths. Why Iran? Israel? Oil? Nope! It is an impeachment distraction. Let's hope it all blows over before tens of thousands of Americans are dead. A war with Iran will be times worse and more expensive than Bush's Folly in Iraq...

Do you realize we're in this all alone this time?

Who will be our allies versus Iran? NOBODY...

Iran may be backed by both Russia and China. 

 
 
 
Krishna
4.3.2  Krishna  replied to  XDm9mm @4.3    2 months ago
Because the scumbag killed was responsible for killing over 500 hundred Americans and wounding, maiming and crippling thousands more. That's good enough reason for me.

And yet-- it wasn't good enough reason for Obama..or Bush..or Netanyahu.

(Perhaps you believe you have access to better intel sources then they did? Sources that give better assessments of what the consequences of killing him would likely be?)

 
 
 
Texan1211
4.3.3  Texan1211  replied to  JBB @4.3.1    2 months ago
It is an impeachment distraction.

Come on, please don't tell that fairy tale anymore.

Democrats are almost singularly focused on impeachment.

As I type this, I believe Nancy is still trying to figure out where the Senate is so the articles of impeachment can be presented to the Senate so there CAN be an impeachment trial.

 
 
 
JBB
4.3.4  JBB  replied to  Texan1211 @4.3.3    2 months ago

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
4.3.5  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  JBB @4.3.1    2 months ago

Assad and Kim may be killing their own people, but have they been killing Americans?

America has no allies there?  Isn't Israel an ally that shares being the target of Iran's threats?  And don't think Israel is an incompetant military force. 

 
 
 
Split Personality
4.3.6  Split Personality  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @4.3.5    2 months ago

Otto Wambier was essentially killed in North Korea and returned to us in a vegetative state.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-northkorea-detainee/u-s-student-held-in-north-korea-died-of-oxygen-starved-brain-coroner-idUSKCN1C22XM

We stomped our feet and made excuses for KIM

Multiple American soldiers and civilian, contractors etc have died in Syria.  ISIS is always blamed.

3 Americans were killed in Kenya Sunday(?) in a terror attack by Al Shabab(?)

Nothing from the White House, no plans for mass retaliation yet.

https://www.ozarksfirst.com/local-news/u-s-world/three-americans-killed-after-terrorist-attack-in-africa/

Iran tonight stated that if the general had been killed and no one fessed up to it, it would have been handled differently, but since Mr. Trump bragged about it and doubled down, they had no choice but to retaliate.

Their goal was to demonstrate part of the range of the new missiles and tease us with whether the missiles were in fact intended to land as close as possible without causing much damage or not...

They said it can end here tonight.  If the USA retaliates the next targets will be Haifa and Dubai.

I certainly hope President Trump does not test them.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
4.3.7  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Split Personality @4.3.6    2 months ago

Interesting that they choose Haifa instead of Tel Aviv - I think there is a fairly substantial population of Muslims in Haifa - but then as I've said elsewhere the planners and pilots of the 9/11 attack didn't care that there were a lot of Muslims in the WTC.  Another interesting fact is that China has invested a lot of money already in the port of Haifa and will be doing port management there, so I wonder how that would play out.  Why Dubai?  I thought that Iran only burns American and Israeli flags and only shouts "Death to America. Death to Israel".  The whole Arab League will turn on Iran if they bomb Dubai.

 
 
 
Tessylo
4.3.8  Tessylo  replied to  Krishna @4.3.2    2 months ago
'(Perhaps you believe you have access to better intel sources then they did? Sources that give better assessments of what the consequences of killing him would likely be?)'

Of course he does!  jrSmiley_9_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
4.3.9  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Split Personality @4.3.6    2 months ago

I hope not Dubai.   I was stationed there during Desert Storm and it is a beautiful city.  They should  aim for Sharza which isn't far from Dubai and is where terrorists go for  a little R and R.  The only problem is that we have a small base there but as it was for DS support, it might no longer be there.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
5  seeder  Vic Eldred    2 months ago

A U.S. official confirmed that as of 7 p.m. Eastern time missiles were still inbound from Iran to multiple locations inside Iraq, specifically Erbil and Al Assad.

https://abcnews.go.com/International/iran-launches-missiles-us-air-bases-iraq-us/story?id=68130625

 
 
 
JohnRussell
5.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @5    2 months ago

I hope the Secretary of Defense gives Trump a better list of options this time. 

Last one didnt work out too well. 

Trump will choose nuking the Supreme Leaders harem. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
5.1.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1    2 months ago
I hope the Secretary of Defense gives Trump a better list of options this time. 

He had a list of options. An American was killed and more attacks were planned. I think the President made an excellent choice


Trump will choose nuking the Supreme Leaders harem. 

You better hope no Americans are harmed tonight. Iran may lose its leaders and its nuke facilities and its oil facilities and the entire fuckin cuds squad!!!

 
 
 
KDMichigan
5.1.2  KDMichigan  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1    2 months ago
I hope the Secretary of Defense gives Trump a better list of options this time.

I see you have been perusing the left-wing sites again. 

The intel on why we took out the TDS sufferers hero, Soleimani, hasn't even been released to congress yet. 

Did Anderson "Fake News" Cooper spit up a theory or was it Rachel Madcow that drooled one out?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
5.1.3  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1.1    2 months ago

I do hope no Americans are harmed, of course. 

I'm not joking about the list of options for Trump.  He is far too stupid to be deciding matters of life and death for thousands of people. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
5.1.4  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.3    2 months ago
I do hope no Americans are harmed, of course. 

I do believe you. You and I disagree, but I know you don't want that.

I'm not joking about the list of options for Trump. 

He got them John. Imagine if Bolton was still there! That would have been such a sweet option!


He is far too stupid to be deciding matters of life and death for thousands of people. 

To the contrary, He's the man I want.

 
 
 
Krishna
5.1.5  Krishna  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1.1    2 months ago
I think the President made an excellent choice

My guess is that your opinion may change with the increasing number of American casualties.

And another possibility: that Trump's decision to kill a highly popular Iranian "here" might ultimately change the likely outcome of the next U.S. presidential election from a pretty likely Trump victory to a likely Trump defeat. 

(While you may be a big fan of our endless Middle Zeastern wars, most Americans are sick of them...I believe we will see that in the next election...)

 
 
 
Krishna
5.1.6  Krishna  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.3    2 months ago
I do hope no Americans are harmed, of course.

I'm sure we all feel the same way.

But do you seriously think Trump is so smart that he can fight a war (with a country led by Islamist fanatics no less)..without having any American soldiers be killed?

If so-- it will probably be the first war in history where no soldiers on one side died@

 
 
 
JohnRussell
5.1.7  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1.4    2 months ago

Trump is no John F Kennedy, who had the temperament to deal with a serious crisis. Trump is a buffoon. We have to depend on the generals to keep him in check. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
5.1.8  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Krishna @5.1.5    2 months ago
My guess is that your opinion may change with the increasing number of American casualties.

Do you foresee Vietnam II?

And another possibility: that Trump's decision to kill a highly popular Iranian "here" might ultimately change the likely outcome of the next U.S. presidential election from a pretty likely Trump victory to a likely Trump defeat. 

That depends on what happens now. Iran is obviously trying to unseat him. They calculate that the US has no stomach for long costly wars. I don't think this will go that way. I realize what they have acquired over the past decade. I read how their missiles that were fired against Saudi oil fields flew under radar. I happen to think they are going down nonetheless. And justice could not be better served.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
5.1.9  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.7    2 months ago
Trump is no John F Kennedy

You mean the John F Kennedy who got pushed all over the world by Nikita Khrushchev?  Just ask the Cubans living in Florida about JFK. He also did a great job in having Priem Minister Diem killed and then there was Vietnam. Oh, I know, they were just advisors

 
 
 
JohnRussell
5.1.10  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1.9    2 months ago

you have a bizarre view of the cuban missile crisis vic

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
5.1.11  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.10    2 months ago

You do know what happened at the "Bay of Pigs?"

You do know how the Cuban missile crisis was resolved?

 
 
 
Krishna
5.1.12  Krishna  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.7    2 months ago
We have to depend on the generals to keep him in check. 

How's that been working out so far?

Trump Once Called Them ‘My Generals.’ After Mattis Resigns, They’ll All Be Gone

And with the exception of Michael Flynn—a short-term advisor who pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI and who awaits sentencing—three other generals serving various roles in the Trump Administration were often viewed as the “adults in the room.”

With their military discipline and experience in managing staff and interacting with the highest levels of government, they often stood in sharp contrast to the multi-millionaires, billionaires, and campaign surrogates Trump appointed to most other key executive positions.

Soon, none of these “adults” will remain:

 
 
 
Krishna
5.1.13  Krishna  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1.8    2 months ago
Do you foresee Vietnam II?

That seems too horrible to imagine-- but I certainly hope not.

I think most Americans are sick of our endless wars in the Middle East. As American casualties mount, probably many Americans will try to get their representatives to pressure Trump to stop the slaughter of our kids trump is now sending in to fight-- and die--there..  How soon they will be successful is anyone's guess.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
5.1.14  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Krishna @5.1.13    2 months ago

We will know more soon. The President is meeting with the Generals now.....

Benjamin Hall stationed in Amman Jordan is waiting for a damage estimate

 
 
 
JohnRussell
5.1.15  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1.14    2 months ago
The President is meeting with the Generals now.....

Let's hope they slipped some sleeping pills into his Diet Pepsi. 

 
 
 
MUVA
5.1.16  MUVA  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1.1    2 months ago

I think one of the options was to give Iran a pallet of money wait that was the Obama option.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
5.1.17  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.15    2 months ago

You don't want an all important strategic decision to be decided?  We have many, many military options. We are going to respond. Iran's days of winning over their weak neighbors are over. They may lose everything.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
5.1.18  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  MUVA @5.1.16    2 months ago

LMAO!

 
 
 
Krishna
5.1.19  Krishna  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1.8    2 months ago

That depends on what happens now. Iran is obviously trying to unseat him.

Perhaps-- I'm not sure that that's their primary objective.I think what they want is an end to sanctions against them, and to end the American presence in the Middle East.-- particularly in a neighbouring country (Iraq). Well, also Syria where they are proping up Assad. (I think if they could have that they wouldn't care if trump is president.

They calculate that the US has no stomach for long costly wars. 

Hopefully they're right about that! (I'm not Persian, but I have no stomach for long costly wars either! Defeat ISIS and keep them defeated? Let the Kurds and the Iranians do that for us-- we shouldn't be there!

I think by now many Americans no longer have the stomach to have their kids killed-- or seriously maimed for life-- trying to keep Iraqis   safe! (Especially since it never works anyway-- unless we have a large permanent presence there-- forever.).

 I realize what they have acquired over the past decade. I read how their missiles that were fired against Saudi oil fields flew under radar. I happen to think they are going down nonetheless.

In a conventional war they wouldn't stand a chance against us (or even against a tiny country like Israel for that matter). But in the region, they are a formidable power. 

What do you mean by "going down"? If we "punish" their citizens to the extent of committing actual war crimes...that might not be so great an idea.

And remember-- the country is split-- part of their [opulation supports the religious fanatics running the country, and part are secular people who want true democracy and to be free of the repressive government. Should we kill them all?

Perhaps the best we could hope for is to get their forces out of Iraq-- but if they're not there to fight ISIS for us...then ISIS will return to power.

 
 
 
Tessylo
5.1.20  Tessylo  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1    2 months ago

'I hope the Secretary of Defense gives Trump a better list of options this time'

I don't know why the fuck they gave him the option in the first place.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
5.1.21  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @5.1.20    2 months ago

"Elections have consequences"

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
5.1.22  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  MUVA @5.1.16    2 months ago

Again with the pallet of money bs?  It was Iran's money to begin with and ordered returned to them.

 
 
 
Tessylo
5.1.23  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1.21    2 months ago

How meaningless.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
5.1.24  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @5.1.23    2 months ago

Don't you know who said that?  Go ahead, go google it..

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
5.1.25  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Krishna @5.1.5    2 months ago

a likely Trump defeat.

At least something good would come out of all of this.  From lemons to lemon aid as they say.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
6  seeder  Vic Eldred    2 months ago

Senate Republican blocks resolution calling targeting cultural sites a war

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The MA rep who keeps running unopposed. I keep having to write in Daffy Duck!

http:// hill.cm/xFsrlJf

 
 
 
Citizen Kane-473667
6.1  Citizen Kane-473667  replied to  Vic Eldred @6    2 months ago
"Since our votes carry the force of law, we need to be more specific in our resolutions, and it's simply not true that attacking cultural sites is always a war crime because there are many instances in which cultural sites have been used as staging grounds for hostilities," Inhofe said.  He added that he hoped Markey would amend his resolution "to acknowledge an exception for when cultural sites are used for staging military attacks or other improper purposes." 

Something I've been preaching since this started...

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
6.1.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Citizen Kane-473667 @6.1    2 months ago

Actually I wouldn't be surprised if the Iranians used cultural sites for military purposes.  After all, Hezbollah put their missile launching platforms (and probably hides its missles) in residentail areas of south Lebanon, and Hamas launches its missiles from school and mosque locations as well as residential areas and hides its weaponry in UNRWA schools and puts its headquarters in places like hospitals. It's a win-win for them because if Israel strikes those locations Hamas or Hezbollah can bring war-crime accusations against Israel, and the ICC is obviously not interested in WHY those sites could get bombed, they're just out to get Israel (as is pretty well the rest of the world). 

 
 
 
Citizen Kane-473667
6.1.2  Citizen Kane-473667  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @6.1.1    2 months ago

Luckily for Iran, I'm not the President or the entire region would be carpet bombed into a parking lot...with due notice to GTFO beforehand of course!

 
 
 
Nerm_L
7  Nerm_L    2 months ago

The breathless news reporting has been amusing.  Yes, the mouse has roared.  Little details yet.  What do we know so far?

Iran was forced to respond quickly to satisfy Iranian public sentiment; the Revolutionary regime reacted to public sentiment rather than politicizing the situation.  Iran was forced to engage in a conventional response against conventional targets.  Iran was forced to claim responsibility which was a backhanded way to state that the Revolutionary regime has not authorized a response by proxies.  Iran was forced to conform to conventional rules for a nation state.

Trump has three obvious options.  Trump can up the ante by striking a significant military target inside Iran.  Trump can retaliate in kind by striking a less significant target, possibly in Iraq.  Trump could claim that the Iranian strike was inconsequential and doesn't warrant a response.  

If Trump decides that the Iranian strike was inconsequential then Iran loses some prestige in the region.  That's my guess but Trump is too unpredictable for any sort of speculative certainty.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
9  JohnRussell    2 months ago

Remember this from a day or two ago

"These Media Posts will serve as notification to the United States Congress that should Iran strike any U.S. person or target, the United States will quickly & fully strike back,& perhaps in a disproportionate manner," the president tweeted. "Such legal notice is not required, but is given nevertheless!"

Our blowhard "president" is on record (twitter is the official communication medium of the Trump administration dontcha know) as vowing a "full" retaliatory strike against Iran on a night like this. 

What will happen? Iran has said that if the US does not strike back it is over (for now).  

Ball is in the orange brain tonight. 

 
 
 
Ronin2
9.1  Ronin2  replied to  JohnRussell @9    2 months ago
What will happen? Iran has said that if the US does not strike back it is over (for now).  

The fact that anyone on the left even believes Iran is ridiculous. It will never be over. They just want it to go back to the way it was. Where they support, organize, and train their proxies to strike at US targets with impunity.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
10  Buzz of the Orient    2 months ago

Iran is SUSPECTED???   No, it wasn't Iran, it was the Fiji Islanders, or maybe missiles fired by Iceland.  Damn, I love the use of the adjectives "suspected", "alleged", "possible"......

 
 
 
Split Personality
10.1  Split Personality  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @10    2 months ago

I loved that part of the headline too.

Especially since Iran notified Iraq

and Iraq notified the US before the launch.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
10.2  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @10    2 months ago

Maybe it was Waldo.  We've been looking for him like forever.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
11  Just Jim NC TttH    2 months ago

And the propaganda (face saving for Iran) begins............

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/iranian-state-tv-says-80-american-terrorists-killed-in-iran-missile-strikes/ar-BBYIXYh?ocid=spartanntp

80 people (they said American terrorists) and helicopters and military equipment severely damaged.

Yeeeaaahh right. We shall see in the light of day.

 
 
 
Ronin2
11.1  Ronin2  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @11    2 months ago

For their sake they had better hope they are lying. 

Trump will have choice but to respond in kind if US lives were lost.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
12  seeder  Vic Eldred    2 months ago

How did all these missiles miss their target?

Did the US military have a way to take control of them?

Or did Iran intentionally try and satisfy it's hardliners, while at the same time trying to diffuse this crisis?

We will know more when the President speaks to the nation this morning. The crisis may be over along with the age of bribes and appeasement.

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
12.1  Mark in Wyoming  replied to  Vic Eldred @12    2 months ago

missiles were manned and targeted by imperial storm troopers , we know how that goes.....

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
12.1.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Mark in Wyoming @12.1    2 months ago

The worst of the worst. I'd say the most evil regime ever. They may be out of the oil business very soon btw.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
12.2  Sean Treacy  replied to  Vic Eldred @12    2 months ago

I think Iran pulled a Bill Clinton and shot some missiles into the sand to satisfy the demands for action while simultaneously signaling a willingness to deescalate. 

Iran shooting down it's own civilian airliner by accident last night probably won't help the Iranian hawks cause.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
12.2.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sean Treacy @12.2    2 months ago

I think you are right, but there was a point when Iran claimed to have killed some US personnel, which was actually reported by CNN.

The Defense Department announced last night that they would "defend." Whatever happened the US came out of a missile attack standing tall.

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Donald J. Trump fan 1
12.2.2  Donald J. Trump fan 1  replied to  Vic Eldred @12.2.1    2 months ago

It’s all about America standing tall with Trump as our President.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
12.2.3  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Donald J. Trump fan 1 @12.2.2    2 months ago

America is great!

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
13  Just Jim NC TttH    2 months ago

384

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
13.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @13    2 months ago

As Vito Genovese once warned "As crazy as you are, we can get a lot crazier!

 
 
 
Tessylo
13.1.1  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @13.1    2 months ago

More like batshit crazy.  

We obviously have not seen the depths of depravity that the republicans/this administration/gop will sink to.  I didn't know they could sink so low.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
13.1.2  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @13.1.1    2 months ago
I didn't know they could sink so low.

By withstanding a missile attack?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
14  seeder  Vic Eldred    2 months ago

"Excellent remarks by

" Era of Obama appeasement is over. Iran will not attain nuclear weapons. Regime will face additional sanctions, and they will be held accountable for their actions. Maximum pressure policy continues. America stands with the people of Iran.".......Liz Cheney

 
 
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