The left's fine statesman says we can't trust the voters
The man who famously lied about having evidence of Trump/Russia collusion has now told us that American voters cannot be trusted to determine the next election. Finally, it's out in the open! The man whom leftist news commentators have been swooning over all week has come right out and told us the reason for this impeachment scam. All credibility for arguments of the President trying to influence an election rather than trying to find out what was done in the last are now gone.
“The president’s misconduct cannot be decided at the ballot box, for we cannot be assured that the vote will be fairly won,” Schiff said.
It probably had to happen. The habitual liar had been making an endless personal plea since Tuesday. Many hours of public speaking has finally taken it's toll. Schiff has finally bared his soul. He doesn't trust the American people.
The prosecution's opening arguments are to be wrapped up today and believe it or not the President's defense team will get their chance to speak starting Saturday (How many will be watching on a Saturday?) If anything, Schiff has solidified Republicans and may have alienated some moderate democrats.
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For your evaluation, I give you Adam Schiff
Rules of civility apply
I think Shithead Schiff has finally entered the Twilight Zone. I am sure that the voters will be pleased that the Dems don't trust them. I find it hard to believe that the Dems are so far out of touch with the vast majority of the American people and consider them to be stupid. I wonder if the coming election will educate them to reality!
As the immortal Bugs Bunny once said, "What a moroon!!"
LOL. Vic, you are seriously going to say that Trump can be permitted to commit all sorts of crimes against decency and morality and against the office of the presidency simply if he can get enough electoral votes?
Dont go that low Vic.
Evidently you don't believe in elections.
Its kind of sad to watch an intelligent person like yourself devolve into acceptance of Trump's "I could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue" mantra.
Because you win an election you dont get a carte blanche to behave in any unethical way you like.
It is absurd.
And when you lose an election, you don't get to piss and moan and scream at the sky and try to impeach someone for beating your Abuela.
Removing this President would be a travesty calling into question the legitimacy of America’s entire democratic system.
We think it is kind of sad for the Democrats and their lemmings to impeach a president based on nothing more than second or third hand information; and hard feelings.
They have been trying to impeach Trump since he won the election. That tells us all we need to know about the left.
Trump has lied 16,000 times, in office.
Come to your senses.
Aw, does that piss you off so much that you have become obsessed with all things Trump?
So Fucking What!!!!!!!!
Again I will ask the age old question to which I get obtuse, generalized, or no answer. What harm has any of those lies done to you and yours? NAFTA (not a fucking thing again). Stow it or get a new shtick.........please.
Disclaimer * please injected to promote civility *
I believe the Washington Post, the New York Times, and other publications have a full list of all the lies and misleading statements available. You can find a list there.
By the way, Trump hasnt told 16000 separate lies and false statements. A good number of them are repeats. He lies about something and doesnt get called out about it by his supporters, and so he repeats it over and over at rallies and whatnot. For example, he has told the lie that the whistleblower was "completely wrong" a reported 80 times. Not only was the whistleblower not "completely wrong", and Trump knows that, the whistleblower was almost completely accurate.
Oh the irony.
So it isn't 16,000 individual lies............Good on ya John!!!
And you don't get to undo democracy and remove every elected official who offends you.
So, you admit that you have been blowing these "lying stats" out of proportion?
Trumpsters are reduced to senseless bamboozling 24/7, as we see here.
Ok, I dont "believe" a list of the lies, exists, I know it and have seen it. "Believe" is a figure of speech sometimes used when the evidence is not immediately on hand. It doesnt mean I am guessing.
I wish Trump supporters would stop constantly embarrassing themselves and our great country, but I don't "believe" it will happen.
Enjoy yourself
"I believe the Washington Post, the New York Times"
There is your first problem !
Jim, do me a favor will you? Don't ask me any more stupid questions. You can do that, right?
Sure pal.............as soon as I can figure out what you call stupid besides something that challenges you. Labeling a question stupid does NOT relieve you from answering......if you can and obviously, you can't. Kind of like listing 16,000 lies from some politician.
You asking me why I object to the president of the United States lying 16,000 times while in office doesnt "challenge" me Jim. My challenge is to understand why there is so much dishonesty and ignorance bragged about on this forum.
I gave you a link to a BING search that has MANY entries devoted to listing ALL of trump's lies.
I am not responsible for people who are unable to click on links
its a shame that people are able to and allowed to spam and troll this forum with nonsense on a constant basis
Over the past years, I've noticed that some people take every word that Trump utters as "serious". Their deep-seated hatred of him due to resentment because Hillary lost won't allow for his minor exaggerations, and they clearly don't understand Trump's sense of humor and body language. To the haters, Trump's exaggerations, humor, and body language/gestures are lies and impeachable offenses.
Hillaryious, Coming from the guy who for two years cried Russian collusion everyday, Do you really think people forget that JR.
And hey when is Schiff going to release his evidence that Trump colluded with Russia? Is he saving it for something? Maybe he only shared it with you seeing you are so positive Trump colluded with Russia? Care to share it?
Yes it apparently does. I did not ask you why you object to the President. I asked how his lies have affected you personally and, except for your affliction, you still haven't answered. You have made it quite clear you think he is, let me get this right, a liar, a bigot, a moron, not fit for office, All that answers is "what are the causes of your angst and obvious TDS affliction. I shall close the book on this question to you but the point remains, not a damned thing that you can pinpoint.
I asked you not to ask me any stupid questions, didnt I?
But I guess they are allowed by NT so you are in the clear.
I know this is an utter waste of time, but I will say it anyway.
Trump asked Zelensky to announce an investigation of Biden, and then Trump lied about it.
According to you guys, Trumps lies have no ramifications.
If the whistleblower had not come forward, there would be an "announced" Ukrainian "investigation" into Joe Biden underway today. Since there is nothing to investigate, it would be a fake "announced" investigation, being made to ensure that President* Trump would remain amenable to helping Ukraine. The blackmailing of Ukraine would be ongoing.
The effect in the US would be that Trump would get to preface every mention of Joe Biden , who is leading the Democratic presidential field at this point, with the characterization that Biden is "dirty" because he is being investigated by Ukraine. No one would know that this this "investigation" by Ukraine was the result of Trump blackmailing them.
For the rest of the 2020 election Trump would be regularly letting everyone know that Joe Biden was under current investigation by Ukraine, for corruption in that country.
It is highly possible that, without the whistleblower, Trump would be able to smear Biden's campaign , and get away with it, at least in the eyes of those who dont care that Trump has lied 16,000 times.
How many other of those 16,000 lies have led people to misunderstand issues or situations, or disregard the truth in dozens or hundreds of other circumstances?
It is IDIOTIC to suggest that 16,000 lies by the president of the United States have no effect on anything, unless we have the philosophy that nothing anyone says , ever, means anything either.
If trump's 16,000 lies dont mean anything, then why does it bother you that people mention them, after all, complaints about the lies dont mean anything either, using your logic.
Virtually nothing you typed is worth responding to , so I will combine any comment I have to you into one.
Are you referring strictly to the ones you cannot or will not answer in a civil or coherent manner?
Trump's alleged 16,000 lies will mean something when you or the other hard core lefty Trump haters can prove they actually exist and they are in fact factual. Have not seen any factual evidence of that many yet. Only your rants.
Ed, the other person at the end of that question has asked me, at least a half dozen times, which ones of trump's lies have effected me personally. Its a stupid question. If the president of the United States lies thousands of times I dont care who he told the lies to. Its immaterial. He's not fit for office. I'm not even going to discuss whether or not the lies effect me personally because its such a stupid question.
Lists of all of Trumps lies over the years are readily available essentially at your fingertips if you know how to google.
I'm not going to amuse anyone by responding to demands.
Just search for "all Trumps lies" and you will find them.
Thank you for proving my point. You have a good evening now.
Only the ones where the progressive liberal left Democrats win...
Trump hasn't been convicted of anything as of yet, and will likely be found NOT guilty of all charges.
Thanks be to the Dems for assuring his reelection.
The Senate vote is rigged and we can't trust elections - yous guys are off the rail. You had more traction with Stormy Daniels.
Before Trump was elected, it was well known that he is a liar, crook, bigot and moron.
Those who voted for him actually voted for a liar crook bigot and moron.
Although it is fair to say that some of those voters didnt understand the ethical implications of their vote, it doesnt change the truth of what Trump is.
In other words, he doesnt become acceptable just because uninformed people voted for him.
lol. That meme is so stupid I actually laughed at it.
I am susceptible to stupid humor occasionally.
Here's your booster shot -
Trump 2020 - Bulldoze US Constitution Again...
BUSCA - Why not put that on your ugly red hat?
Democrats apparently don't trust anyone who would dare to vote for any other party.
What an asshole. I'm sorry, but it's true. All this guy has done is attack the integrity of anyone who isn't 100% as freaked out about Donald Trump as he is. There is no reason to go around claiming that we cannot be assured the election will be fair, but he has no reservations about stoking irrational fears that elections or voters can be fair. What a sanctimonious ass.
It wasn't enough for him to insult his own jury (the Senate), he has to insult the American people as well.
Dicks are headed down the same road they did in 2016. They are basically saying that people are too stupid to vote in their own interests.............which has been a liberal mantra for the last few years. Too stupid and/or lazy to get ID, "we and only we know what's good for you", and on and on with the elitist, arrogant, bullshit. They are driving away the very same peole they did in 2016 and learned NOTHING from Mrs. Clinton's loss.
"Those that don't learn history are doomed to repeat it". Good.
Can't wait for tomorrow...........and Monday and Tuesday if necessary.
Man, that reminds me of someone, but I can't quite pin it down as to who it is!
/s
That claim isn't irrational.
Mueller, Wray, Coats, Chris Krebs [top DHS cybersecurity official] ALL warned that we cannot be assured that the election will be fair.
So your posit is that those at the highest level of our IC are influenced by 'hysteria perpetrated by the left'. That doesn't bode well for any claim that Trump only hires the 'best people'.
Yet when I cited Mueller, Wray, Coats and Chris Krebs you put them in the category of receivers of the 'hysteria perpetrated by the left'. That sure as hell infers that their warnings were influenced by that 'hysteria'.
Yes, it is, because we have several mechanisms in place for assuring and confirming the fairness and honesty of our elections. The last presidential election is the obvious example. Even though it is well documented that Russian actors published propaganda or even hacked computers, the election itself was still legitimate and fair. That was confirmed repeatedly from the local to national level.
What Schiff did on the floor of the Senate is what leftists from MSNBC to Hillary Clinton have done since Trump was elected: try to make Americans think that because of foreign interest and interference, their votes and elections are literally being stolen from them.
This tactic is dishonest and irresponsible, particularly coming out of the mouth of a member of Congress.
After HOW many challenges? It took MONTHS for that to be litigated.
All of the people I mentioned WARNED that we are still not doing enough to ENSURE that our elections will be 'fair'.
There is litigation in multiple states right now about voting rights and securing voting machines and securing voter rolls.
Did you and your fellow travelers take a vote? Do I get a trophy?
Personal comments don't clarify your comment. Please proceed.
Nope, he was reiterating the FACT Russia interfered in 2016 to help elect Trump. And Trump has been deferential and beholden ever since.
In the Summer of 2016, when victory for Clinton was considered assured, Democrats claimed to challenge the results of an election was a "direct threat to Democracy."
Now, in fear of losing again, they are preemptively declaring an election suspect so they can keep of their narrative that any Republican win is illegitimate alive.
Russia interfered to help Trump - FACT. Trump and gop have done nothing substantial to make elections more secure, and in fact Trump had forced Ukraine to help him until the dam burst. So of course they are still doing it, and the entire gop is ignoring it, and in fact many have been tainted with dark money from Russia. Why don't you deal with the reason our elections are at risk even more than they were 3 years ago.
Fact, Russia interfered in the election to sow discord among Americans. Thanks to the Democrats and their lemmings they are succeeding beyond Putin's wildest dreams.
Fact the left chooses to ignore the fact that the Russian bots sponsored anti Trump groups and events as well.
Thank you for making Putin's job that much easier.
As for the rest of your bogeyman rant. Prove Russia changed even 1 vote during the 2016 election. The only entity the Russians hacked successfully was the DNC; who lied about it, and tried to cover it up from the FBI. Guess they were damn scared that their handing Hillary the nomination would blow up in their faces. Russia used social media to try and influence the election- the same damn thing we do to our enemies, and even some of our allies.
What, are you saying that obama led from behind again? Because according to obama elections can't be rigged
The sad part is he "lied" because at the time of his statement he knew that Russians were interfering in our election.
Only if they don't like the result of the election.
If their candidate wins then the Republicans/Conservatives had better STFU and get on board with their president. The media and Democrats will be declaring the election results to be pure and clean. Just like they would have had Hillary won. This whole Russian BS, Carter Page, Steele Dossier, and the rest would have been quickly swept up and disposed of.
Couldn't have it look like they were actively investigating a political opponent for no damn reason.
If we trusted the voters, Trump wouldn't be President. The voters, by a 3 million vote margin, wanted the other candidate. The electoral college and the weighted votes in rural States with few actual voters, bitter at being forgotten, shouldn't be trusted. It's the illogical system that gave us the most corrupt piece of shit President in history with dirty dishonest Donald. Only four times in American history have Presidents won the Presidency without also winning the majority vote. Dishonest Donald does not represent the will of the majority, he does not represent the best of America, he represents the worst and will soon be unceremoniously kicked out of the white house come January 2021 as there is no hope the spineless sycophants in the Senate majority would actually do their jobs and throw him out before then.
She was behind by a good margin before California weighed in. You may want to be governed by the coasts but most Americans do not.
And that is one helluva nice pipe dream you have going there.
Are Californians not Americans?
"Most Americans"? Once again, we are Americans.
I was born and raised in Ohio. I moved to California in my early 30's. Having lived in both places, California wins hands down.
I am curious as one that neither voted for Clinton or Trump , what was the fatal flaw/s in the Clinton campaign that caused the loss of the EC?
I can think of 2 that I have actually narrowed it down to.
1. An underestimation of Trump as a viable threat as a candidate , one I watched right up until the day of voting started. He was treated as a joke and thought easily defeated.
2. The second and most damnable flaw, was calling those undecided a basket of deplorables if they didn't vote for the democrat, which is pretty much what is being implied by Schiff in his statement, in my view.
I didn't neglect it , I rolled that in with underestimating the viable threat as a candidate Trump was.
I also wonder what inroads the party faithful think the current crop of those running for the nomination of the party in those all important EC voting states outside what they consider their "sure things ".
"You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump's supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. Right? They're racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic – Islamophobic – you name it."
I don't see anything in there about calling them deplorable for not voting Democrat. She defines what she meant. If you identify with being racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic or Islamophobic, well that's on you.
And correct she didn't say for not voting the D ticket , and the public be they undecided could interpret it , or as she did say, named it , did, that's why I felt after 3 years of thought that was the fatal flaw, Once the public hears something and decides what it means to them , no amount of backpedaling or explaination or redirection will change what was said or how an individual heard it as it applies to them, and it has been pretty much backed up by the actions of those faithful , that did vote for her, by the way they have treated those they think may have voted against her. You have done it yourself . Just as Schiff and Pelosi both have stated that the voters cannot be trusted , which you just reiterated above .
I file such things under unintended consequenses of not thinking a statement through and how it will be received.
and will you be answering the question of
what was the fatal flaw/s in the Clinton campaign that caused the loss of the EC?
I have no doubt that without the illegal hacking of the DNC and release of embarrassing emails or Comey announcing just days before the election that the FBI was re-opening of the investigation, while never mentioning once that the trump campaign was under investigation, caused the 110,000 votes in 3 swing States to give the electoral college majority to such a worthless embarrassment. Also, the illicit social media campaign where Russian spent $1.25 million a month on targeting the voters they had studied from the 22 State voter databases they hacked didn't help Hillary's chances. I'm sure Putin is laughing his ass off at how monumentally stupid some people are, laughing that so many poorly educated buffoons bought into their lie about some pizza parlor sex ring or the fantasy assassination of Seth Rich.
I've never found Hillary appealing as a political candidate, I didn't think she should have been the Democrat candidate, I did not vote for her in the primary. With that said, she is leaps and bounds more qualified than our current room temp IQ President who thinks he's above the law. She would have done a decent job, and the economy would have been continuing the increases started under Obama, just like Trump has experienced. We've not seen his lies about some 4% average GDP, the massive tax cut for corporations has not supercharged the economy, it was all bullshit fantasy. If you want to buy into his fantasy, that's your choice, I'm not naïve or gullible enough to believe his mountain of lies or his self-aggrandizement claiming only he "can fix" America. He has fixed nothing, he has broken norms at every turn and it will take decades to get back the trust and respect of our friends and allies around the world. Just because some protectionist dumb asses want to hide behind a wall and stuff their heads in a fat orange clowns ass and abandon our leadership around the world, it doesn't mean America is stronger, it means we are now weaker and have a weaker position to negotiate on anything.
Thank you.
“The president’s misconduct cannot be decided at the ballot box, for we cannot be assured that the vote will be fairly won,” Schiff said.
I see that comment being turned into a political hand grenade, not that it already isn't, much like the comment on basket of deplorables.
And if I were a betting person , if he doesn't already regret it , he may soon.
There is 2 things I would warn the political parties , much like the romans warned their senators to beware the Ides of march,
when in politics , beware murphys law as well as the law of unintended consequenses.
Final thoughts:
Mercifully the House prosecution opening statements have come to an end. We can put the Rum & Coke away. Put the aspirin back in the medicine cabinet and enjoy the quiet. Tomorrow the President's lawyers will begin their opening statements. They are not expected to use every bit of their 24 hours as the democrats did. By the later part of next week the US Senate could be voting to dismiss this ridiculous case.