Kayla Gowdy: Dems' 10 biggest lies in Trump's Senate impeachment trial Op/Ed

  
Via:  Vic Eldred  •  2 months ago  •  61 comments

By:   Kayla Gowdy

 Kayla Gowdy: Dems' 10 biggest lies in Trump's Senate impeachment trial Op/Ed
It’s time to correct the record on Congressional Democrats’ ten most egregious impeachment lies.

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Americans know the  Democrats ’ plan to impeach President Trump did not begin in September 2019. Rather, as House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., admitted herself, it has been going on for over two and a half years.

Unable to wrap their head around the idea that 60 million Americans disagreed with the socialist agenda propagated by the Democratic Party, Rep Adam  Schiff , D-Calif., and Rep Jerry Nadler, D-N.Y., and many others began their plan to impeach President Trump the moment he was elected.

This entire  impeachment  sham has been a predetermined narrative full of lies and false accusations designed to divide America and harm President Trump.

It’s time to correct the record on Congressional Democrats’ ten most egregious impeachment lies.

Lie: This impeachment process began after an anonymous whistleblower filed a complaint through the proper channels within the Office of the Inspector General.

Fact: An article published on Oct 2, 2019, by the New York Times proved Schiff received an early account of the whistleblower’s complaint despite his persistent denial. This gave Democrats time to come up with an impeachment plan before any information was released to the public.

Lie: Democrats began the impeachment hearings out of concern for the country and the Constitution.

Fact: Time and time again Democrats have gone on the record proving their motivations for impeachment to be political.

Rep. Al Green, D-Texas: "I'm concerned if we don't impeach this President, he will get reelected.”

Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortes, D-N.Y.: “[Impeaching Trump] is about preventing a potentially disastrous outcome [in 2020].”

Rep. Adam Schiff, D-Calif.: “The president’s misconduct cannot be decided at the ballot box.”

Lie: President Trump during a phone call with Ukranian President Zelensky asked for a personal favor.

Fact: Despite consistent false statements from Democratic Congressmen and members of the media, the released transcript of the call proved President Trump said, “I want you to do us a favor.” The “us” refers to America, not his political campaign.

Lie: President Trump’s unprecedented withholding of aid endangered the United States and Ukraine.

Fact: Not only did Ukraine receive its aid on time and in its entirety, but President Trump actually resumed granting foreign aid after President Obama ended the practice.

Lie: President Zelensky felt pressure from President Trump to investigate the Bidens.

Fact : President Zelensky addressed the issue with the American press, stating the call was “normal” and “nobody pushed” him to do anything for the aid.

Lie: House impeachment witnesses are first-hand evidence of a quid pro quo.

Fact: Of the impeachment witnesses brought by House Democrats, Gordon Sondland was the only one who spoke directly with President Trump regarding aid to Ukraine. He was clear the president told him, “I want nothing. I want no quid pro quo.”

Lie: The whistleblower is non-partisan and can be completely trusted.

Fact: The Intelligence Inspector General found the whistleblower has “arguable political bias” against Trump and was not a primary source to the conversation, giving him no credible knowledge of the situation.

Lie: Hunter Biden and his work at Burisma are not relevant to the impeachment proceedings as he and former Vice President Biden did nothing wrong.

Fact : Back in 2014, multiple mainstream media outlets, including Time and CNN, reported on Hunter Biden joining the board of Burisma, saying it gave off the appearance of corruption. Every witness House Democrats brought to testify in the open hearings echoed the same sentiment.

Lie: The House of Representatives approved a strong enough impeachment case for the Senate to vote to remove President Trump from office.

Fact : Immediately after the articles of impeachment were handed over to the Senate, Democrats began demanding new evidence and for more witnesses to be brought forward since their case was weak and without evidence.

Lie : There was an urgent need for impeachment.

Fact: After saying for months that impeaching President Trump was an urgent matter, Pelosi refused to send the articles to the Senate, unnecessarily delaying the trial.

It’s clear Democrats have one goal with the impeachment proceedings: denying Americans their Constitutionally elected president by overturning the results of the 2016 election. It’s a disgrace just how low they are willing to go to belittle President Trump and his supporters. Their deliberate lies must be exposed.


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Vic Eldred
1  seeder  Vic Eldred    2 months ago

For your approval: the lies and facts of impeachment

 
 
 
Jasper2529
1.1  Jasper2529  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    2 months ago

Well done, Vic. I read this article this morning, and it's spot on. Congressional Democrats should be ashamed of themselves for assuming that the American public is stupid.

 
 
 
Tacos!
2  Tacos!    2 months ago
Lie: Hunter Biden and his work at Burisma are not relevant to the impeachment proceedings as he and former Vice President Biden did nothing wrong. Fact : Back in 2014, multiple mainstream media outlets, including Time and CNN, reported on Hunter Biden joining the board of Burisma, saying it gave off the appearance of corruption. Every witness House Democrats brought to testify in the open hearings echoed the same sentiment.

Furthermore, even though Biden and other Democrats keep insisting that neither Joe nor Hunter did anything wrong, Joe still felt compelled to promise that if elected no one in his family would serve on a foreign board. 

 
 
 
Split Personality
2.1  Split Personality  replied to  Tacos! @2    2 months ago

He should also promise, as should any other candidate, to end the nepotism.

 
 
 
Ender
2.2  Ender  replied to  Tacos! @2    2 months ago

But yet trump can bring them straight into the Whitehouse and nary a peep.

 
 
 
Tacos!
2.2.1  Tacos!  replied to  Ender @2.2    2 months ago
nary a peep

Nary a peep, my butt! Democrats and the media have screaming "Nepotism!" since he got there and started appointing family members to their various jobs.

 
 
 
Ender
2.2.2  Ender  replied to  Tacos! @2.2.1    2 months ago

*from the right*

They could care less.

 
 
 
Split Personality
2.2.3  Split Personality  replied to  Tacos! @2.2.1    2 months ago
Democrats and the media have screaming "Nepotism!" since he got there and started appointing family members to their various jobs.

I am sure that you can provide many links of equivalent behavior from Democrats, right friend Tacos?

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Tacos!
2.2.4  Tacos!  replied to  Split Personality @2.2.3    2 months ago
I am sure that you can provide many links of equivalent behavior from Demacrats, right friend Tacos?

For what possible effing reason do I owe you "many links" for anything?

 
 
 
Ronin2
2.2.5  Ronin2  replied to  Split Personality @2.2.3    2 months ago

Oh I will.

https://www.newsweek.com/democrats-also-pay-family-public-dollars-699548

Democrats With Family on Payroll
Representative Luis Gutiérrez of Illinois
Representative Mike Doyle of Pennsylvania
Representative Kevin Cramer of North Dakota
Representative Collin Peterson of Minnesota
Representative Gwen Moore of Wisconsin
Representative David Cicilline of Rhode Island
Interestingly, as a member of the U.S. Congress, Johnson had employed his brother Sam Houston Johnson as an administrative aide. After the President left office, Sam wrote a book about his experience working for his brother entitled: “My Brother Lyndon.” While the book is mostly complimentary of the President, it criticizes some of his methods as a boss.

The issue of nepotism took center stage in the political arena in 1960 when President-Elect John F. Kennedy nominated his younger brother, Robert F. Kennedy, to the esteemed position of U.S. Attorney General. It was crystal clear to most political observers that the younger Kennedy was under-qualified for the position. Kennedy was just 35 years old and sported no courtroom experience. John F. Kennedy made light of his brother’s lack of experience and the nepotism charges, telling the Alfalfa Club that he nominated his brother: “to give him a little experience before he goes out to practice law.”

Actually, Kennedy was very apprehensive about nominating his brother, but did so at the beseeching of his father Joseph P. Kennedy. The U.S. Senate on a voice vote confirmed Kennedy expeditiously. Had there been a roll call vote, it is unlikely that Robert Kennedy would have been confirmed. Nation Magazine called the nomination: “the greatest example of nepotism this land has ever seen.”

In 1993, a Washington DC Court ruled that President Bill Clinton was allowed under the law to appoint his wife Hillary to lead his White House task force on Health Care. Judge Laurence Siberman wrote in the ruling: “a president would be barred from appointing his brother as attorney general, but perhaps not as a White House special assistant.”

But Trruuummmmppppp!!!!!

At least Ivanka and Kushner aren't paid. They work on a volunteer basis.

 
 
 
Dulay
2.2.6  Dulay  replied to  Ronin2 @2.2.5    2 months ago
At least Ivanka and Kushner aren't paid. They work on a volunteer basis.

Yep they 'volunteer' for direct access to Saudi and Chinese $ and perks. 

 
 
 
Split Personality
2.2.7  Split Personality  replied to  Ronin2 @2.2.5    2 months ago

Well I knew it was easy, you only had to go back 60 years for a Presidential example and you didn't even go all the way back to Grant who was the king of nepotism and cronyism.  Soon to be unseated by the Trumps.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/meet-the-trump-officials-making-government-a-family-business

I'm proud of you friend Ronin...

At least Ivanka and Kushner aren't paid. They work on a volunteer basis.

Oh please, they aren't enriching each other by trading insider information and getting Chinese patents off of their family name?  Housing lawsuits against Kushner moving at a snails pace because of his current "position"?

(and Hunter Biden deserves to be investigated for the same thing?)

BTW  How much was Hillary "paid"? 

I guess Hillary decided exactly how much she would volunteer of her time too, eh?

 
 
 
Split Personality
2.2.8  Split Personality  replied to  Tacos! @2.2.4    2 months ago

It's a debate site friend Tacos, you made a one sided claim.

Can you not back it up like others have tried?

 
 
 
Split Personality
2.2.9  Split Personality  replied to  Ronin2 @2.2.5    2 months ago
Democrats With Family on Payroll
Representative Luis Gutiérrez of Illinois
Representative Mike Doyle of Pennsylvania
Representative Kevin Cramer of North Dakota
Representative Collin Peterson of Minnesota
Representative Gwen Moore of Wisconsin
Representative David Cicilline of Rhode Island

Well there are 7 Republican examples missing from your list.  Did you have a point?

Your own link http://prorev.com/family.htm points that out, as does this gem.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/358351-11-lawmakers-put-family-on-campaign-payroll

But Trummmmppp is right, he is the POTUS and controls the optics, just as those did before him,

Obama, Bush, Clinton et.al., correct?

 
 
 
Tacos!
2.2.10  Tacos!  replied to  Split Personality @2.2.8    2 months ago
you made a one sided claim

Which was what, exactly? I said that Democrats have been screaming "nepotism" since Trump took office and appointed his family members to jobs. That's 100% true. Are you disputing that? Or will you stipulate to it? I see no reason to post links supporting what should be obviously true unless you dispute it.

I will also point out that I made no judgment about those complaints. I didn't say they were invalid. In fact, I think they are valid. I also didn't say they were hypocritical, although I'm sure that argument could possibly be made.

You wanted me to post links in support of this idea:

I am sure that you can provide many links of equivalent behavior from Democrats

Except I never said anything about Democrats engaging in "equivalent behavior." In fact, I made no accusations about Democratic nepotism, although I do not doubt that it exists. Some of the more notorious examples are JFK appointing his little brother to be Attorney General or Bill Clinton appointing his wife to chair the task force in charge of his healthcare plan.

So if you want to go demanding links from me, I suggest you confine your demands to things I actually said. I have no obligation to support claims I haven't made.

 
 
 
Ronin2
2.2.11  Ronin2  replied to  Split Personality @2.2.9    2 months ago

You were only bitching about Trump. I never claimed Republicans didn't do the exact same damn thing. Don't try to blame me for things I never claimed.

 
 
 
Ronin2
2.2.12  Ronin2  replied to  Split Personality @2.2.7    2 months ago

Oh, please the Clintons are as easily as corrupt as the Trumps. Hillary and Bill milked insurance companies for speaking fees.

https://theintercept.com/2016/01/13/hillary-clinton-single-payer/

But in the ensuing years, both Clintons have taken millions of dollars in speaking fees from the health care industry. According to public disclosures, Hillary Clinton alone, from 2013 to 2015,  made $2,847,000 from 13 paid speeches to the industry.

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Source: Public federal disclosures, Clinton campaign

This means that Clinton brought in almost as much in speech fees from the health care industry as she did from the banking industry . As a matter of perspective, recall that most Americans don’t earn $2.8 million over their lifetimes.

Sorry if Bill and Hillary had to wait until they were out of office to cash in. I am sure the Trumps will do the same.

 
 
 
Dulay
2.2.13  Dulay  replied to  Ronin2 @2.2.12    2 months ago
Oh, please the Clintons are as easily as corrupt as the Trumps. Hillary and Bill milked insurance companies for speaking fees.

Which makes them corrupt HOW? 

 
 
 
WallyW
3  WallyW    2 months ago

And for some weird reason, the think they have won , and tarnished Trump so badly he won't be reelected

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Jasper2529
3.1  Jasper2529  replied to  WallyW @3    2 months ago
And for some weird reason, the think they have won , and tarnished Trump so badly he won't be reelected

Well, according to Pelosi and others, Trump will be "impeached forever". They apparently cannot understand that history books will state that Trump was "acquitted forever" by the US Senate due to the House's flimsy, shoddy, and unconstitutional impeachment attempt.

 
 
 
Ender
3.1.1  Ender  replied to  Jasper2529 @3.1    2 months ago

I guess that means Clinton was acquitted forever.

People can stop saying he was impeached.

 
 
 
Split Personality
3.1.2  Split Personality  replied to  Ender @3.1.1    2 months ago

Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding!

We have a logical conclusion winner !

 
 
 
cobaltblue
3.1.3  cobaltblue  replied to  Jasper2529 @3.1    2 months ago
that history books will state that Trump was "acquitted forever" by the US Senate

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

 
 
 
Donald J. Trump Fan #1
3.1.4  Donald J. Trump Fan #1  replied to  Ender @3.1.1    2 months ago

A decent trade though Clinton was charged with felonies and had post office holding consequences to pay unlike Trump.  

 
 
 
Dulay
3.1.5  Dulay  replied to  Donald J. Trump Fan #1 @3.1.4    2 months ago

There is still plenty of time to indict Trump for obstruction of justice. 

 
 
 
Ender
3.1.6  Ender  replied to  Donald J. Trump Fan #1 @3.1.4    2 months ago

No matter what you say, according to the standards you all put forth, Clinton was acquitted.

 
 
 
Raven Wing
3.1.7  Raven Wing  replied to  Ender @3.1.6    2 months ago

However, he was, and still is, Impeached. And just like Clinton, even if Trump is acquitted, he will still be now and forever Impeached, and like Clinton, he just won't have to leave office.

There is no way Trumps', nor Clinton's Impeachment can be erased. He was and is, legally Impeached, just like Clinton. Which I am sure chaps his fat butt to no end.

However, when one breaks the law one has to realize that at some point they have to pay the price. No one is above the law in the US, not even the President, which I am sure also chaps Trumps fat butt.

 
 
 
Donald J. Trump Fan #1
3.1.8  Donald J. Trump Fan #1  replied to  Raven Wing @3.1.7    2 months ago

Next time we take the House we will get it expunged from the historical record.  

 
 
 
lady in black
3.1.9  lady in black  replied to  Donald J. Trump Fan #1 @3.1.8    2 months ago

No you won't...it will be forever out there on the internet...and you can't change history books.  There will always be a public record of it.  He will always and forever remain impeached

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
3.1.10  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  lady in black @3.1.9    2 months ago
and you can't change history books.  There will always be a public record of it.  He will always and forever remain impeached

history is written by the winners and the left has already lost the long game.

that impeachment will serve as a constant reminder of how stupid today's progressive/liberal left was. and, "the resistance" will be remembered no better than the weather underground.

hint: the lefts bs impeachment only made trump stronger and the left weaker.

top job :)

 
 
 
lady in black
3.1.11  lady in black  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @3.1.10    2 months ago

Wrong. With the internet, social media, public record, youtube, etc. you will NOT rewrite history.  He will be forever impeached.  

 
 
 
Donald J. Trump Fan #1
4  Donald J. Trump Fan #1    2 months ago

Rep. Al Green, D-Texas: "I'm concerned if we don't impeach this President, he will get reelected.”

Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortes, D-N.Y.: “[Impeaching Trump] is about preventing a potentially disastrous outcome [in 2020].”

Rep. Adam Schiff, D-Calif.: “The president’s misconduct cannot be decided at the ballot box.”   https://thenewstalkers.com/community/discussion/49365/kayla-gowdy-dems-10-biggest-lies-in-trumps-senate-impeachment-trial

 
 
 
Split Personality
5  Split Personality    2 months ago
Fact: Not only did Ukraine receive its aid on time and in its entirety,

False, all of the aid was not delivered in it's entirety although the DOD is trying to work around the deadlines by using the $$ to contract out to others to fulfill the letter of the law.  Between 35 and 20 million in aid is still "hung up".

https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2019-11-19/documents-show-nearly-40-million-in-ukraine-aid-delayed-despite-white-house-assurances

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/01/false-claim-ukraine-got-aid-before-schedule/

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2019/oct/07/us-aid-ukraine-donald-trump-froze-one-chart/

Kayla Gowdy is the Social Media and Rapid Response Director for America First Action, President Trump's official super PAC.

Well that explains the tone of article and some of the tenuous "lies" and facts" presented as the author's opinion.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
5.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Split Personality @5    2 months ago
Well that explains

Well that explains why I keep getting texts from her!


From your LA Times Link:

"Knowing that the hundreds of millions couldn’t all be allocated in such a short time, Congress gave the Pentagon an additional year to spend its share."


So, you have no problem with Ms Gowdy's other 9 points?

 
 
 
Split Personality
5.1.1  Split Personality  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1    2 months ago

Sure I do, as I said, semantics and POV.

All biased, but what else would you expect from her if she wants to keep that job?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
5.1.2  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Split Personality @5.1.1    2 months ago
Sure I do

Precisely because she is right and the people know it

 
 
 
Split Personality
5.1.3  Split Personality  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1.2    2 months ago

Which people Vic?  You and a few dozen here?

Certainly only a few people I know out of many in Texas, PA, NJ, SC, WA, OR, NC, FL or CA & Britain.

The world is a big place which no longer revolves around the USA.  That's sad depending on your POV.

People have different opinions about that, so what? 

They have since the beginning of whenever the first person uttered "Fuck off".

You and I have a few years left to make a difference in the lives of our children and grandchildren,

possibly great grand children. 

Is this how you are going to waste your time pursuing hateful partisan politics, in 4 year clips?

Seems kind of pointless to me and many people know it.

Enjoy the Super Bowl.

I'll be wearing 49er bs but rooting for Andy Reid.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
5.1.4  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Split Personality @5.1.3    2 months ago
Which people Vic?

Just about anyone with a degree of common sense.


Certainly only a few people I know out of many in Texas, PA, NJ, SC, WA, OR, NC, FL or CA & Britain.

You tell us you are well-traveled and thus you know "more" people. This must be the climax or is there more dramatic flair coming?


The world is a big place which no longer revolves around the USA. 

And what does that have to do with people being able to see through a silly charade?


People have different opinions about that, so what? 

An opinion is one thing, seeing things for what they are is something else. Any casual observer would know the difference between the words do me a favor and do us a favor or the difference between the phone transcript and the way Adam Schiff portrayed it. You may hate the President but even you know what's at the heart of all the hype. As another progressive has admitted here months ago - "I don't think he colluded with Russia, but I still want him out."  Despite all the play acting by House democrats that's exactly how they feel too and as Ms Gowdy pointed out - they told us so, right from the beginning!


You and I have a few years left to make a difference in the lives of our children and grandchildren,
possibly great grand children. 

Is this how you are going to waste your time pursuing hateful partisan politics, in 4 year clips?

It is exactly why I'm taking on the left! I'm one of the ones trying to stop the hateful partisan politics (it is coming from one direction after all) and beyond that the Orwellian state that future generations are already on the hook for. Are you trying to tell us now that you are some kind of moderate in pursuit of civility?  


Seems kind of pointless to me and many people know it.

Oh, we can tell/Sar    You are on the wrong side of history and everyone saw what was done to Robert Bork, Clarence Thomas, Brett Kavanaugh, Carter Page, a multitude of people simply trying to speak or even have dinner at a restaurant. You are so caught up in what you believe that you are blind to it.


Enjoy the Super Bowl.

You too!


I'll be wearing 49er bs but rooting for Andy Reid.

I'm a Chiefs man in this one. I do like your QB.

 
 
 
Dulay
5.1.5  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1.2    2 months ago
Precisely because she is right and the people know it

But she isn't Vic. The author proclaims:

Their deliberate lies must be exposed.

Then proceeds to LIE. Here's just ONE:

Fact: Not only did Ukraine receive its aid on time and in its entirety, but President Trump actually resumed granting foreign aid after President Obama ended the practice.

THAT is a LIE and there is empirical evidence to prove that it is a LIE. 

The GAO report proves that Ukraine did NOT receive it's aid on time. The 2020 CR also proves that the Congress had to rescind and RE-appropriate the funds that had NOT been obligated. 

Secondly, the 2017 budget, signed by Obama included 350 Million in aid to Ukraine:

US President Barack Obama signed the US budget for 2017 for the needs of national defense, where defense assistance to Ukraine was increased to $ 350 million.

It was reported by the Ukrainian Embassy to the United States.

All defense expenditures are set at $ 611 billion. According to the law, salary for the military increased by 2.1%.

Estimates of the defense aid to Ukraine in 2017 fiscal year increased compared to the US $ 300 million, provided in the same document for 2016.

https://112.international/ukraine-top-news/obama-signed-us-defense-budget-with--350-million-assistance-for-ukraine-12406.html

Note that is a Ukrainian news source. 

Here's another one:

Lie: House impeachment witnesses are first-hand evidence of a quid pro quo.
Fact: Of the impeachment witnesses brought by House Democrats, Gordon Sondland was the only one who spoke directly with President Trump regarding aid to Ukraine. He was clear the president told him, “I want nothing. I want no quid pro quo.”

EVERYONE, except Gowdy it seems, knows that Sondland testified that there WAS a quid pro quo.

Here's a 'red herring':

Lie: The whistleblower is non-partisan and can be completely trusted.

Citing that something is a lie without citing WHO, if anyone, actually made such a  statement, is misleading at best. Gowdy does that a couple of times...

Fact: The Intelligence Inspector General found the whistleblower has “arguable political bias” against Trump and was not a primary source to the conversation, giving him no credible knowledge of the situation.

This presumes that partisanship effected the facts in the whistleblower complaint. Since the complaint has been corroborated by witness testimony and documents, 'indicia' of partisanship is IRRELEVANT and the ICIG said as much. 

 
 
 
Donald J. Trump Fan #1
5.1.6  Donald J. Trump Fan #1  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1.2    2 months ago

Exactly.  It was great to see this article seeded twice.  

 
 
 
Split Personality
5.1.7  Split Personality  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1.4    2 months ago
It is exactly why I'm taking on the left! I'm one of the ones trying to stop the hateful partisan politics (it is coming from one direction after all)

Then you must be missing the daily introductory comments of one of most prolific left haters.

Just saying, because you believe it is one sided certainly does not make it so.

Butttt Obammmmmaaa  for 8 years....

 
 
 
Dulay
5.1.8  Dulay  replied to  Donald J. Trump Fan #1 @5.1.6    2 months ago

It's the opposite of 'exactly' Xx. 

 
 
 
Ender
5.2  Ender  replied to  Split Personality @5    2 months ago

What is funny is this is even listed on fox news as opinion.

 
 
 
MrFrost
5.2.1  MrFrost  replied to  Ender @5.2    2 months ago

What is funny is this is even listed on fox news as opinion.

It's all they have, they certainly don't deal in facts. MBFC lists them as, "mixed" when it comes to facts. 

 
 
 
Ender
5.2.2  Ender  replied to  MrFrost @5.2.1    2 months ago

What is funny is fox says opinion, she even calls her show opinion, it boldly says opinion yet some people yell, look at these facts.....

 
 
 
Donald J. Trump Fan #1
5.2.3  Donald J. Trump Fan #1  replied to  MrFrost @5.2.1    2 months ago

We on the right don’t care one bit what they say about anything at all.  In fact the lousier they rate one of our favorite sites the more likely we are to use it as seeding source. 

 
 
 
Donald J. Trump Fan #1
5.2.4  Donald J. Trump Fan #1  replied to  Ender @5.2.2    2 months ago

Almost every news site and newspaper has an op ed section.  

 
 
 
Dulay
5.2.5  Dulay  replied to  Donald J. Trump Fan #1 @5.2.4    2 months ago

NT has a Op/Ed section also and that is where this seed belongs. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
6  MrFrost    2 months ago
Lie: This impeachment process began after an anonymous whistleblower filed a complaint through the proper channels within the Office of the Inspector General. Fact: An article published on Oct 2, 2019, by the New York Times proved Schiff received an early account of the whistleblower’s complaint despite his persistent denial. This gave Democrats time to come up with an impeachment plan before any information was released to the public.

So the impeachment process DID start after the WB complaint was filed. Gee, that was easy. 

Lie: Democrats began the impeachment hearings out of concern for the country and the Constitution. Fact: Time and time again Democrats have gone on the record proving their motivations for impeachment to be political.

Opinion, not fact. 

Lie: President Trump during a phone call with Ukranian President Zelensky asked for a personal favor. Fact: Despite consistent false statements from Democratic Congressmen and members of the media, the released transcript of the call proved President Trump said, “I want you to do us a favor.” The “us” refers to America, not his political campaign.

Again, that's an opinion. For all we know trump was talking about himself and his over inflated ego. 

Lie: President Trump’s unprecedented withholding of aid endangered the United States and Ukraine. Fact: Not only did Ukraine receive its aid on time and in its entirety, but President Trump actually resumed granting foreign aid after President Obama ended the practice.

1) The aid was 55 days late and it was 18 million dollars short. 

2) Obama didn't withhold aid to win an election like trump did. Big difference. 

Lie: President Zelensky felt pressure from President Trump to investigate the Bidens. Fact : President Zelensky addressed the issue with the American press, stating the call was “normal” and “nobody pushed” him to do anything for the aid.

Zelensky isn't an idiot. He knows to not bite the hand that feeds. Simple as that. Behind closed doors, he did feel pressured. 

Christ, even fox news called it the, "maximum pressure campaign", as did trump, pence, rudy...etc...

https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/u-s-embassy-staff-dispute-official-narrative-ukraine-president-was-feeling-pressure-from-trump/

Lie: The House of Representatives approved a strong enough impeachment case for the Senate to vote to remove President Trump from office. Fact : Immediately after the articles of impeachment were handed over to the Senate, Democrats began demanding new evidence and for more witnesses to be brought forward since their case was weak and without evidence.

Trump blocked 9 people from testifying, strangely enough, they were the ones that had first hand knowledge. Also, trump gave no documents to the House. Trump was invited to come to the House impeachment phase and he declined to show up both times, (while crying that his due process was violated, when it wasn't). Add to that, the House did an investigation, not a trial. Of course the House asked for witnesses during the TRIAL in the SENATE because a TRIAL with no witnesses and no evidence isn't a trial, it's a cover up. 

In the House, there was under oath testimony and documents. In the Senate? Trump's lied, pointed fingers. They presented no facts, no evidence, no witnesses. 

Lie: Hunter Biden and his work at Burisma are not relevant to the impeachment proceedings as he and former Vice President Biden did nothing wrong. Fact : Back in 2014, multiple mainstream media outlets, including Time and CNN, reported on Hunter Biden joining the board of Burisma, saying it gave off the appearance of corruption. Every witness House Democrats brought to testify in the open hearings echoed the same sentiment.

So this happened in 2014. How does that make trump call the Ukraine and try to extort them into helping trump win an election? It doesn't. The Biden's didn't force trump to do what he did. Trump did that all on his own. But lets look at some facts. 

1) There is no proof at all that there was any corruption. NONE. It was all another conspiracy theory like windmills causing cancer. 

2) Trump didn't want an investigation, he just wanted and ANNOUNCEMENT of investigations. That was it. 

3) Why didn't trump ask his DOJ to investigate? 

4)

Trump approved funding for the Ukraine in 2017, no hold.

Trump approved funding for the Ukraine in 2018, no hold.

Trump approved funding for the Ukraine in 2019, held up.

What's the big change? Biden announced he was running for president. Within 3 weeks, trump held up the aid and made his, "(not) perfect call". If this was such a huge problem, why did trump wait three years to do something about it? 

5) Ivanka and Don Jr. have raked in close to 200 million dollars all on their dads name, since he took office. If Hunter biden is guilty of making 3 million in three years, trumps kids belong in prison. 

I skipped one because it was stupid and laughable, just like every one of these "lies". 

 
 
 
Ender
6.1  Ender  replied to  MrFrost @6    2 months ago

What makes me shake my head is even on his own released transcript, it says it may not be completely accurate.

Yet people hold it up as gospel.

 
 
 
MrFrost
6.1.1  MrFrost  replied to  Ender @6.1    2 months ago
What makes me shake my head is even on his own released transcript, it says it may not be completely accurate.

Exactly. 

 
 
 
Dulay
6.2  Dulay  replied to  MrFrost @6    2 months ago
Trump approved funding for the Ukraine in 2017, no hold.

Actually, Croft said that there WAS a short hold on the Javelins because Trump was worried the Vlad would get mad...

https://www.thedailybeast.com/mulvaneys-omb-held-up-lethal-ukraine-aid-in-2017-for-fear-of-russian-reaction

 
 
 
Ender
7  Ender    2 months ago
Ivanka and Don Jr. have raked in close to 200 million dollars all on their dads name, since he took office. If Hunter biden is guilty of making 3 million in three years, trumps kids belong in prison. 

Nothing to see here folks. Everything they do is above the board. The family never lies about anything. They are as pure as the driven snow. They use the tools available. If they can bend the rules and find loop holes, we should all cheer for them and call them the smartest people ever. They would never ever misuse their trust or position. Just because they can get away with it and others can't is only jealousy.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
7.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Ender @7    2 months ago

White collar crime is rarely vigorously pursued in the United States.  Ivanka Trump effectively acted as a con woman when she deceived investors into Trump condo developments. She was never indicted , although she evidently came extremely close to being charged in an investigation in NYC.  Tax fraud, of which the entire Trump family is guilty, isnt prosecuted that much either.  The IRS doesnt have the resources. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
8  JohnRussell    2 months ago

Fact:   An article published on Oct 2, 2019, by the New York Times proved Schiff received an early account of the whistleblower’s complaint despite his persistent denial. This gave Democrats time to come up with an impeachment plan before any information was released to the public.

I'm relieved to know that Trump didn't do what he has been accused of because everyone knows if proper procedure wasnt followed by law enforcement the murder never happened.  s. 

Back in reality,  the Trump defense largely revolves around technicalities of process, not innocence.  Mob lawyers are known for getting mafia dons off on technicalities. 

Fact:  Time and time again Democrats have gone on the record proving their motivations for impeachment to be political.

Hoping that a criminal is dumb enough to commit another crime so you can catch him is not the same as having improper motives. 

Fact:   Despite consistent false statements from Democratic Congressmen and members of the media, the released transcript of the call proved President Trump said, “I want you to do us a favor.” The “us” refers to America, not his political campaign.

Why does "us" in this context refer to America?  Trump talks about and refers to himself in the presence of other foreign leaders all the time. Maybe in this case he's referring to his fellow conspiracy nuts who manufacture rumors and gaslighting on far right radio stations and websites. Maybe the "us" is a version of the imperial "we" where authoritarians refer to themselves in the third person.  There is no convincing reason to think he is referring to the American people, quite the contrary actually. 

Fact:   Not only did Ukraine receive its aid on time and in its entirety, but President Trump actually resumed granting foreign aid after President Obama ended the practice.

Ukraine received it's aid AFTER Trump became aware he had been caught. 

Trump Knew of Whistle-Blower Complaint When He Released ...

Nov 26, 2019 · WASHINGTON — President  Trump had already been briefed on a whistle-blower’s complaint about his dealings with Ukraine when he unfroze military aid

It is nothing short of absurd that Trump defenders give him credit for doing something only after the jig was up. 

Fact  : President Zelensky addressed the issue with the American press, stating the call was “normal” and “nobody pushed” him to do anything for the aid.

Another absurd defense. Zelensky is talking like someone who knows good relations with his country's greatest benefactor still go through his blackmailer.  Someone who was extorted by a dirty cop doesnt normally turn against the dirty cop while he is still the active chief of police. 

Fact:   Of the impeachment witnesses brought by House Democrats, Gordon Sondland was the only one who spoke directly with President Trump regarding aid to Ukraine. He was clear the president told him, “I want nothing. I want no quid pro quo.”

This is an easy defense to dispose of.  Trump said this to Sondland AFTER he knew he had been caught in his scheme (but before it was publicly known he had been caught). Of course he lied to Sondland to try and protect himself. 

Fact:   The Intelligence Inspector General found the whistleblower has “arguable political bias” against Trump and was not a primary source to the conversation, giving him no credible knowledge of the situation .

Completely irrelevant.  Everything the whistleblower said has checked out as accurare through other sources. 

Fact  : Back in 2014, multiple mainstream media outlets, including Time and CNN, reported on Hunter Biden joining the board of Burisma, saying it gave off the appearance of corruption. Every witness House Democrats brought to testify in the open hearings echoed the same sentiment.

Which of course begs the question of course, if Trump was so worried about Hunter and Joe Biden, why did he wait until Joe Biden entered the presidential race, and started outpolling Trump , to ask to look into the issue? He could have easily asked the DOJ or his allies in Congress to investigate the Bidens months and years before he asked Zelensky. 

Trump is easily the most personally corrupt president in U.S. history.  Thinking he had pure motives in wanting "Biden corruption" investigated is laughable, and not supported by any facts. 

Fact  : Immediately after the articles of impeachment were handed over to the Senate, Democrats began demanding new evidence and for more witnesses to be brought forward since their case was weak and without evidence.

Actually the case against Trump that the House managers brought was overwhelming, and includes specific names, dates, and damaging recollections by US officials who were directly involved in various aspects of the matter.  The House managers expected new witnesses and material because they expected a fair trial, and many of these witnesses and documents were being withheld from the proceedings by the White House in a stonewalling effort. 

Fact:   After saying for months that impeaching President Trump was an urgent matter, Pelosi refused to send the articles to the Senate, unnecessarily delaying the trial.

How on earth is this "fact" a defense of the conduct of Donald J Trump? 

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Having read through all this Fox News writers "facts"  (which I had to do in order to respond to them), it is clear that people who are defending trump have almost nothing to work with. Her points are incredibly weak. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
8.1  MrFrost  replied to  JohnRussell @8    2 months ago

I watched most of the trial in the Senate. I don't recall trumps gaggle of idiotic lawyers ever saying that trump was innocent. 

I did find it entertaining, (in the overall impeachment process), that trumps team went from the impeachment going too fast, then too slow, then too fast and then too slow again. Seems his team doesn't mind being hypocrites..no, dare I say, they wear it like a badge of honor. 

 
 
 
Donald J. Trump Fan #1
8.1.1  Donald J. Trump Fan #1  replied to  MrFrost @8.1    2 months ago

We will wear his acquittal as a badge of honor.  

 
 
 
MrFrost
8.1.2  MrFrost  replied to  Donald J. Trump Fan #1 @8.1.1    2 months ago

We will wear his acquittal as a badge of honor.  

You can wear the impeached badge on the other arm too! 

 
 
 
Donald J. Trump Fan #1
8.1.3  Donald J. Trump Fan #1  replied to  MrFrost @8.1.2    2 months ago

Considering the illegitimate source of it and that it was a partisan political tool of liars and their kool aid drinking  cult followers and it charged no crime we spit in the faces of the House majority and spike the ball in progressives faces on Wednesday.  No prisoners taken in that rhetorical outpouring that day.  We just say bleep you bi coastal elitists to the hot place and move on to getting things accomplished for America and the people of the Heartland and working class

 
 
 
JohnRussell
9  JohnRussell    2 months ago

The seeded article is an op/ed and should have been classified that way in the headline categories. 

 
 
 
Donald J. Trump Fan #1
10  Donald J. Trump Fan #1    2 months ago

We will wear his acquittal as a badge of honor.  

 
 
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