Democrats botch Iowa tally

  
By:  Vic Eldred  •  2 months ago  •  75 comments


Democrats botch Iowa tally
"Tonight, an improbable hope became an undeniable reality," Pete Buttigieg told a crowd in Des Moines. "So we don't know all the results, but we know by the time it's all said and done, Iowa, you have shocked the nation. Because by all indications, we are going on to New Hampshire victorious."

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It would be an understatement to say that the DNC is off to a rocky start in the nominating process, as a dozen hours after the Iowa Caucus vote there are still no results. People were left struggling to even log in or download the new app the DNC wanted used. Not only was there frustration with trying to use the new system but there was suspicion of the DNC. A few candidates even proclaimed victory without and supporting results to point to:

"Pete Buttigieg and Bernie Sanders each declared triumph — and war on each other — after a technical meltdown prevented the release of results from the Iowa caucuses, plunging the Democratic field into chaos.

The former South Bend mayor was the most aggressive out of the gates, anointing himself "victorious" in a speech to supporters and releasing unverified internal counts that the campaign said showed it was "on our way to winning" the delegate count."






"Tonight, an improbable hope became an undeniable reality," Pete Buttigieg told a crowd in Des Moines. "So we don't know all the results, but we know by the time it's all said and done, Iowa, you have shocked the nation. Because by all indications, we are going on to New Hampshire victorious."







Sanders' campaign quickly followed suit, releasing its own unverified internal caucus numbers that portrayed the Vermont senator with a sizable lead in the Iowa delegate race.





"We recognize that this does not replace the full data from the Iowa Democratic Party, but we believe firmly that our supporters worked too hard for too long to have the results of that work delayed," Jeff Weaver, a Sanders senior adviser, said in a statement.








https://www.politico.com/news/2020/02/03/klobuchar-iowa-new-hampshire-caucus-110639



With the arrival of Tuesday morning we still haven't any results - not a single one. Joe Biden may actually benefit from all the confusion. It is believed that the results were dismal for him. Don't ask me how anyone could know. All the talk of the procedural disaster would most likely cloud a poor performance.

As for last night's disaster, I am sure of two things. Some will come forward to defend the DNC. They will call the facts contained here "gaslighting." The other thing I'm sure of is that rational people will regard it as another example of democrat incompetence and maybe even more chicanery. 









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Vic Eldred
1  author  Vic Eldred    2 months ago

I'm predicting 5 more years


Rules of civility apply

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
1.1  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    2 months ago

I'm predicting total political annihilation

as long as a progressive runs the dnc they will not see the whitehouse.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
1.2  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    2 months ago
I'm predicting 5 more years

You predict 5 more years no matter what happens. 

The good that will come out of the Iowa snafu is that it will no longer be used to start the primary season. 

Other than that, in the long run this mix up is immaterial. Gives the conservatives something to make fun of, thats about it.  We have your president to make fun of. 

 
 
 
Jasper2529
1.2.1  Jasper2529  replied to  JohnRussell @1.2    2 months ago
this mix up is immaterial

Yep ... there aren't enough Democrats in Silicon Valley who could create/test an app and ensure that it would be reliable. /sarc

 
 
 
KDMichigan
1.2.2  KDMichigan  replied to  JohnRussell @1.2    2 months ago
Gives the conservatives something to make fun of, thats about it

Ah yes, all those millions of dollars invested and all they got was a dead stinking fish to crow about, Even your go to CNN is talking about what a flop it is, kind of reminds me of the Obamacare roll out. Biden team is already saying the integrity of the caucusus is in question. I'm guessing sleepy Joe didn't do to well.

 
 
 
squiggy
1.3  squiggy  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    2 months ago

In late news - 'Everybody Wins Iowa' - so they all move on in first place.

 
 
 
KDMichigan
1.4  KDMichigan  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    2 months ago

No wonder team Biden was questioning the results, he came out smelling like a dead fish.

Buttigieg for the win with 62% of the results released, although Sanders is expected to pull ahead.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
1.4.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  KDMichigan @1.4    2 months ago

I'm wondering how many Biden voters switched to Buttigieg. Btw did anyone listen to the rest of the Buttigieg speech?  It was kind of inspiring. Too bad it got wasted.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
1.4.2  Sean Treacy  replied to  KDMichigan @1.4    2 months ago

Warren has to be thankful Biden did so poorly. Her terrible performance won't be the lead.

 
 
 
Split Personality
1.4.3  Split Personality  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.4.1    2 months ago
Btw did anyone listen to the rest of the Buttigieg speech?  It was kind of inspiring. Too bad it got wasted.

Yes, it was well done. Why do you feel it was wasted?

 
 
 
MUVA
1.4.4  MUVA  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.4.1    2 months ago

Buttigieg is the all white Obama he talks a lot a says very little of substance.

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
2  The Magic Eight Ball    2 months ago
With the arrival of Tuesday morning we still haven't any results 

they obviously did not like the results... LOL

good fun :)

 
 
 
1stwarrior
2.1  1stwarrior  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @2    2 months ago

Stolen from a friend - Q: Why was the superbowl halftime show better than the Dem Iowa Caucus?

A: Because J Lo and Shakira *could* find their butts with both hands.

 
 
 
WallyW
2.1.1  WallyW  replied to  1stwarrior @2.1    2 months ago

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Kathleen
2.1.2  Kathleen  replied to  1stwarrior @2.1    2 months ago

Instead of ‘halftime’ they called it ‘asstime’,

 
 
 
WallyW
2.2  WallyW  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @2    2 months ago

Rumor has it that Biden didn't do very well

 
 
 
Jasper2529
2.2.1  Jasper2529  replied to  WallyW @2.2    2 months ago
Rumor has it that Biden didn't do very well

And he won't in the future if he keeps yelling at his constituents when they ask a question he doesn't like!

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
3  Sean Treacy    2 months ago

Turnout was supposedly very low as well.

Not much excitement.

 
 
 
Kathleen
3.1  Kathleen  replied to  Sean Treacy @3    2 months ago

Noticed that myself, looks like a really bad start.

 
 
 
katrix
3.2  katrix  replied to  Sean Treacy @3    2 months ago

Lack of excitement may well play a part - but seriously, who has time to caucus? Let people go in, vote, and go home. Nobody can claim that the primary process doesn't drag on long enough for them to have done their homework and figured out who they're voting for by now.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
3.3  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sean Treacy @3    2 months ago
Turnout was supposedly very low as well.

"These are also regions that the Democrats want to swing back into their column, as they get set to take on President Trump in the general election in the fall.

These "pivot counties" are significant, according to Rasmussen, because while they represent only a small percentage of the national electorate, they have a disproportionate impact on the final tally.

All across the country, these voters accounted for only 5 percent of the votes that were cast, but they accounted for 51 percent of the net popular vote gains that Donald Trump enjoyed," said Rasmussen.

"I'm going to be watching to see where the Democratic enthusiasm is. If these pivot counties in eastern Iowa show low turnout in this caucus, you're going to say, 'OK, they've made their decision for 2020,'" said Rasmussen, arguing low turnout would indicate that these voters are not swinging back to the Democrats."

foxnews.com/media/iowa-caucuses-president-trump-2020

 
 
 
KDMichigan
3.3.1  KDMichigan  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.3    2 months ago

This can't be true, I just watched on the news yesterday on how the high voter turnout is a sign that Trump will be elected out of office. House Democrats better get busy creating another scandal.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
3.3.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  KDMichigan @3.3.1    2 months ago

The next step will be to censure the President.

 
 
 
Tessylo
4  Tessylo    2 months ago

The 'president' said it was a sloppy train wreck.  He must have been looking in the mirror.  

 
 
 
katrix
5  katrix    2 months ago

What a complete clusterfuck. Now, I won't pretend to really understand the whole Iowa caucus process ... and my state is so late in the primary process that my primary vote is worthless. But this is absolutely ridiculous.

 
 
 
Sparty On
5.1  Sparty On  replied to  katrix @5    2 months ago
clusterfuck

Yep, that pretty much describes it

 
 
 
katrix
5.1.1  katrix  replied to  Sparty On @5.1    2 months ago

Of course, it's not the first time ...

The worst Iowa mistake was a Republican one, when Mitt Romney was thought to have narrowly won on Caucus Night, but the state party admitted sixteen days later that Rick Santorum was actually the winner.

Caucuses make no sense to me. And they leave out all the unaffiliated voters (who, in my state, can still vote in the primary), but then, neither party gives a crap about unaffiliated voters, because we don't contribute to their coffers.

 
 
 
WallyW
5.1.2  WallyW  replied to  Sparty On @5.1    2 months ago
clusterfuck
Yep, that pretty much describes it

Or rigged?

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katrix
5.1.3  katrix  replied to  WallyW @5.1.2    2 months ago

Why aren't you screeching that it was rigged when the GOP said that Romney won, and then 16 days later announced it was actually Santorum?

It's always a conspiracy theory with you when it's the other guy, and never when your side does something similar.

 
 
 
WallyW
5.1.4  WallyW  replied to  katrix @5.1.3    2 months ago
It's always a conspiracy theory with you when it's the other guy, and never when your side does something similar.

Your side has made it a habit of fixing and rigging elections....going way back.

Remember Daley's Chicago?

 
 
 
Sparty On
5.1.5  Sparty On  replied to  katrix @5.1.1    2 months ago

A honest, reflective people realize both sides are not immune to such things.   Because another once did the same bad thing, doesn't make the current occurrence any better.

Not in the least.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
5.1.6  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  katrix @5.1.3    2 months ago
Why aren't you screeching that it was rigged when the GOP said that Romney won, and then 16 days later announced it was actually Santorum?

Perhaps because it WAS so close................34 votes out of 28,000 for each was the difference. Santorum - 29,839 Romney - 28,805.

 
 
 
katrix
5.1.7  katrix  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @5.1.6    2 months ago

And perhaps this is equally close. You're spouting off conspiracy theories despite knowing absolutely zero. Playing along with Trump's desire to sow doubt in case he loses.

 
 
 
Ronin2
5.1.8  Ronin2  replied to  katrix @5.1.3    2 months ago

There is no denying the parties are out for their own Establishment candidates.

The Republican Party definitely didn't want Trump as their candidate; and did whatever they could to prevent it as well.  They were thwarted by a media seeking a candidate they knew Hillary could beat.  The media pushed everything Trump said or did; to the exclusion of every other Republican candidate.

Otherwise we could have had Hillary vs Jeb, Rubio, or whatever other Establishment Republican came rolling out. 

 
 
 
bccrane
5.1.9  bccrane  replied to  WallyW @5.1.4    2 months ago

I wouldn't be all that surprised that after it is all figured out, that Hillary won and is well on her way to winning the nomination.

 
 
 
katrix
5.1.10  katrix  replied to  Sparty On @5.1.5    2 months ago
A honest, reflective people realize both sides are not immune to such things.

Agreed, but then, you're not the one spouting off conspiracy theories about what happened yesterday. From what I've heard, a glitch in an app is a likely culprit, but nobody knows at this time.

Caucuses seem like a terrible idea on both sides. I can't imagine standing around with my neighbors, picking teams, and then arguing to try to get them to switch teams. And honestly - if someone can be swayed by a 2 minute conversation at the last minute, you have to wonder why they didn't bother to do more research first if they planned to participate.

 
 
 
katrix
5.1.11  katrix  replied to  WallyW @5.1.4    2 months ago

More recently, remember North Carolina? That was voter fraud on your team's part.

Stop with the fucking hypocrisy.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
5.1.12  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  katrix @5.1.7    2 months ago
And perhaps this is equally close. You're spouting off conspiracy theories despite knowing absolutely zero. Playing along with Trump's desire to sow doubt in case he loses.

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What conspiracy theory would that be? That I am spouting. Perhaps this one is close but the fact remains, the Dem party contracted an "app" that isn't working FFS. We don't know ANYTHING about the numbers yet. You're kiolling me smalls ..............

 
 
 
katrix
5.1.13  katrix  replied to  Ronin2 @5.1.8    2 months ago
There is no denying the parties are out for their own Establishment candidates.

That's for sure. That's the main reason I'm an independent - I cannot stand either party. Neither actually gives a crap about our country; all they care about is getting and keeping power.

It's not like these issues are new. There has been plenty of time to fix them, if the parties actually cared about them.

 
 
 
Sparty On
5.1.14  Sparty On  replied to  katrix @5.1.10    2 months ago

Lol ... when i saw they were using an App i immediately thought ..... what could go wrong?

 
 
 
katrix
5.1.15  katrix  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @5.1.12    2 months ago

My apologies, I was thinking I was replying to Wally.

 
 
 
Ronin2
5.1.16  Ronin2  replied to  katrix @5.1.13    2 months ago
That's for sure. That's the main reason I'm an independent - I cannot stand either party. Neither actually gives a crap about our country; all they care about is getting and keeping power.

I agree with you completely. I am an independent fiscal conservative (I am a lot more socially moderate than Republicans or true conservatives). I will never belong to either party.

It's not like these issues are new. There has been plenty of time to fix them, if the parties actually cared about them.

The parties have the primary process rigged to favor their Establishment incumbents. They know how to play the game. It will take outside help; and a candidate that can buck the system (like Trump) to overcome it.

If Biden can survive these first few primary states he has a strong chance of winning the nomination. The Establishment will back him so long as he can continue to bring in the campaign donations. Once those dry up so will their support.

 
 
 
Kathleen
5.1.17  Kathleen  replied to  Ronin2 @5.1.16    2 months ago

I use to be more independent a few years ago, but leaning more conservative except on the social issues. I am more liberal in that area. I still feel that that this is all a huge mess, I doubt if I am going to even vote this election. I guess my anger on some issues have gotten the best of me at times. I truly care about this country and I hope that there is some kind of agreement on the things that matter the most. Been thinking this for a while, but it’s time for me to move away from politics for a while.  Right now I see no end to all the bickering. I just hope one day both parties can agree on some things so it will make it much nicer for everyone.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
5.1.18  Jasper2529  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @5.1.12    2 months ago
Perhaps this one is close but the fact remains, the Dem party contracted an "app" that isn't working

I wonder why?

The app that was supposed to help the Iowa Democratic Party quickly report Monday's caucus results – but contributed to confusion and a muddled result as campaigns were in an uproar –  is linked to Hillary Clinton campaign veterans. Shadow, a tech firm that describes itself as a group that creates "a permanent advantage for progressive campaigns and causes through technology," is the company that created the Iowa Democratic Party's app, according to   The New York Times . At least the  COO CEO CTO  and a senior  product manager  at Shadow all worked for the Hillary Clinton presidential campaign, according to LinkedIn profiles.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/app-used-in-iowa-democratic-caucus-fiasco-linked-to-former-clinton-campaign

Monday night's   Iowa   Democratic   caucus debacle   stemming from an app tied to ex- Hillary Clinton  campaign staffers is "concerning," Acting   Department of Homeland Security (DHS)   Secretary Chad Wolf  said Tuesday.

Appearing on   "Fox & Friends"   with co-host Steve Doocy, Wolf said that the DHS  cybersecurity  and  infrastructure  security agency had offered to test the app from a "hacking perspective," but the party had declined.

"They declined and so we are seeing a couple of issues with it," he told Doocy.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/dhs-sec-chad-wolf-democrats-iowa-clinton-app

 
 
 
WallyW
5.1.19  WallyW  replied to  Jasper2529 @5.1.18    2 months ago

Wolf said that the DHS  cybersecurity  and  infrastructure  security agency had offered to test the app from a "hacking perspective," but the party had declined.

Maybe the Russians hacked the app.  jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
r.t..b...
5.2  r.t..b...  replied to  katrix @5    2 months ago
I won't pretend to really understand the whole Iowa caucus process

"I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Democrat." ~ Will Rogers

Certainly not a good look and certain to spur discussion about revamping the primary process. How about five super Tuesdays, regionally constructed among 10 states each and on a rotating basis as to who goes first? 

 
 
 
katrix
5.2.1  katrix  replied to  r.t..b... @5.2    2 months ago

That seems like a much better idea than our current method. If it weren't for local elections, I wouldn't bother voting in my primary, since my presidential primary vote doesn't count by that point.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
5.2.2  r.t..b...  replied to  katrix @5.2.1    2 months ago
That seems like a much better idea than our current method.

While we are mired in the past and precedent, establish a non-partisan body that is in charge of elections and defining congressional districts...based on demographic data, drawing reasonable boundaries, disseminating results, and doing so sans political bias. Akin to the  Federal Reserve Board, but charged with overseeing and protecting our election process. Take it out of the hands of the self-serving and we will all be better served.

 
 
 
katrix
5.2.3  katrix  replied to  r.t..b... @5.2.2    2 months ago
Take it out of the hands of the self-serving and we will all be better served.

Unfortunately, the self-serving will never allow that to happen. But both parties have shown that they are undeserving of the power they hold.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
5.2.4  r.t..b...  replied to  katrix @5.2.3    2 months ago
both parties have shown that they are undeserving of the power they hold.

Agreed, again and again. Partisanship is the actual swamp...both are mired in it, both feast in it, and the result is just a mucked up mess of dysfunction...and you'll never be able to drain just half of it.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
5.2.5  JohnRussell  replied to  r.t..b... @5.2.4    2 months ago
Partisanship is the actual swamp.

What makes you think a third party won't be a swamp too?

 
 
 
r.t..b...
5.2.6  r.t..b...  replied to  JohnRussell @5.2.5    2 months ago
What makes you think a third party won't be a swamp too?

Because they will be fighting against the status quo and attempting to speak to the currently disenfranchised majority of the electorate who are fed up with the churlishness.

Should they ever gain a foothold, it is just a matter of time before they too will exhibit the same all consuming behavior in maintaining power, and at that point, hopefully another group will supplant them as well. But we need that change to occur...the bitter 2020 election and its' aftermath is the perfect time for a new perspective.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
6  JohnRussell    2 months ago

I think we will find that "fixing" has nothing to do with this. 

The failure of technology , or inept use of it,  led to this.   

Fairly soon, the results will be known. They are all written down on paper at each "precinct".  

In the meantime the media makes a mountain out of what in the long run is basically a molehill. 

Making a major issue out of a snafu is more serious , in my opinion. The media does not know how to keep things in proportion. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
6.1  Sparty On  replied to  JohnRussell @6    2 months ago
I think we will find that "fixing" has nothing to do with this.

Time will tell but i would tend to agree with you on that but this remains a newsworthy "major" screw up.   I know you probably won't think so since it has nothing to do with Trump screwing up but there you go.

They should have beta tested this on smaller scale to insure viability.   Perhaps they did, but if they clearly did, they did a shitty job of it.

 
 
 
Split Personality
6.1.1  Split Personality  replied to  Sparty On @6.1    2 months ago

Someone tried to download the app on TV last night

and received a warning that it "wasn't from a trusted source, do you wish to continue"?

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The Magic Eight Ball
6.1.2  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  Split Personality @6.1.1    2 months ago
and received a warning that it "wasn't from a trusted source, do you wish to continue"?

that is a fact. the democrats are no longer a trusted source.

 
 
 
Sparty On
6.1.3  Sparty On  replied to  Split Personality @6.1.1    2 months ago

Not good .... the app got hacked?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
6.1.4  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @6.1.2    2 months ago

This time the election they interfered with was their own!

 
 
 
Tessylo
6.1.5  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.4    2 months ago

Which election did the Democrats interfere with?

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
6.1.6  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tessylo @6.1.5    2 months ago

Well it's probably not as much interfered as just plain fucked it up. In their need for "progress" in election evaluation, they paid $63K for an app that wasn't tried an true. They are now saying there was a coding error. And that wasn't caught in some dry runs? Probably weren't any after all, it was "provided" by an admitted supporter of progressive "causes" and therefore there couldn't be any malfunctioning.

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Jasper2529
6.1.7  Jasper2529  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @6.1.6    2 months ago
they paid $63K for an app that wasn't tried an true.

Nevada might be following Iowa's footsteps ...

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/nevada-dems-planning-to-use-similar-app-linked-to-iowa-caucus-mess

 
 
 
Split Personality
6.1.8  Split Personality  replied to  Sparty On @6.1.3    2 months ago

From what I read the Director called off the use of the app last week

but people kept trying to use it.

Cluster bomb...

 
 
 
KDMichigan
6.1.9  KDMichigan  replied to  Split Personality @6.1.8    2 months ago

Well I was searching for a CBS interview I seen yesterday but I can't find it. A question was posed at what would happen if the APP failed and the response was it wouldn't happen, that it was thoroughly tested.

 
 
 
Split Personality
6.1.10  Split Personality  replied to  KDMichigan @6.1.9    2 months ago

I can't find what I originally read either...

The app is optional to use but was the preferred method for sending in results, according to the Iowa Democrat Party precinct leader manual. Those who can’t use the app will use pen and paper and call a dedicated hotline to report the results.  https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/live-blog/iowa-caucuses-live-updates-2020-democrats-make-their-final-pitches-n1128596/ncrd1129226#liveBlogHeader
 
 
 
Split Personality
6.1.11  Split Personality  replied to  Split Personality @6.1.10    2 months ago

It's been implied that they had total faith in the app, so much so that they cut down on phone staffers for the dedicated hotline that no one was answering when some people had issues with the app.

Multiple stories of the phone ringing indefinitely before someone answered, then hung up.

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
6.1.12  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  Tessylo @6.1.5    2 months ago
Which election did the Democrats interfere with?

bidens :)

 
 
 
squiggy
6.2  squiggy  replied to  JohnRussell @6    2 months ago
Making a major issue out of a snafu is more serious , in my opinion. The media does not know how to keep things in proportion. 

Steal that one from Limbaugh?

 
 
 
dennis smith
6.3  dennis smith  replied to  JohnRussell @6    2 months ago

The media does not know how to keep things in proportion. 

JR - Argeed, That has been a media problem for quite a long time. 

 
 
 
It Is ME
7  It Is ME    2 months ago

I couldn't stop laughing about this. jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif

The Dems  Fucked up their own wet dream "To Impeach" ! jrSmiley_78_smiley_image.gif

NOW …… They can't even get their own "Really cool self serving stuff" right. jrSmiley_84_smiley_image.gif

AND ALL THE DEMS RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT....STILL CLAIM ….. THEY WON !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! jrSmiley_97_smiley_image.gif

Is there a more "STUPID" bunch running for president ? jrSmiley_25_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Sparty On
7.1  Sparty On  replied to  It Is ME @7    2 months ago

And the clown car rolls on and on .... a few clowns lighter but still rolling just the same

 
 
 
It Is ME
7.1.1  It Is ME  replied to  Sparty On @7.1    2 months ago

"Clowns" are waaaaaaaay "Smarter" than this bunch running for the Dem. Nomination !

 
 
 
Tessylo
8  Tessylo    2 months ago

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loki12
9  loki12    2 months ago

Once again the DNC denies a legitimate law enforcement agency access to there electronics, What are they trying to hide?

 
 
 
loki12
10  loki12    2 months ago

We have now figured out why the company that developed the app. was incompetent.

Gerard Niemira , a veteran of Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign, is the head of Shadow.

No wonder the results show Hillary won in a landslide. jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
10.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  loki12 @10    2 months ago
a veteran of Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign, is the head of Shadow.

What a great name for the company!

 
 
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