Heroines, Feminists and American Society
I want to thank all the women who had a positive influence on me throughout my life. To all those women who nurture and raise children, work and achieve goals and have made the world a more decent place, I reserve the most sacred spot in our society.
Then there is the matter of Feminism, which was supposed to be about choice and women thinking for themselves, but the movement itself no longer has any pretense about its agenda. It is not about choice. The movement was long ago hijacked by the left and has been used to enlist women as another voting bloc. It's about "group think." It has done considerable damage to our society.
No one can explain it better than Tammy Bruce (Feminist):
Now to honor the strong women who have had such a positive influence on the world:
Margaret Thatcher ("the Iron Maiden")
Prime Minister of the UK from 1978-1990. Her political philosophy and economic policies (influenced by Milton Friedman)saved Britain and the UK from the excesses of Socialism. She was a strong woman who weathered many storms with a steady hand and will be regarded as one of the UK's best Prime Ministers.
Benazair Bhutto
Prime Minister of Pakistan from 1988-1990 & 1993-1996. She rose to become the leader of a male dominated society. A controversial figure, regarded as a champion of democracy by the west, she was opposed by various Islamist groups. She was assassinated in 2007.
These are only two examples. There are other strong and brave women too numerous to mention. (I'm sorry that I can't list them all). Some face death on a daily basis in the middle east. Others have been subjected to harassment & ridicule right here in the US. That is what a strong woman looks like, not to be confused with the weak women of the left. Expressing false outrage 24/7 and running around like a pit bull with rabies does not constitute strength. When we listened to the outrageous statements of "Madonna" during the 2017 "Women's March", we came face to face with the failure of "Feminism." What we saw that day was a self absorbed entertainer climb up on a stage and say "Yes, I'm angry. Yes, I am outraged. Yes, I have thought an awful lot about blowing up the White House, but I know that this won't change anything. We cannot fall into despair."
https://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/madonna-defends-blowing-white-house-comment-violent-person/story?id=44972325
Notice, that I included the complete sentence. That is what a "Feminist" looks & sounds like.
We are now at a point where we can restore our civilization.
Restoring the community, the family, respect for authority and role models is our salvation.
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Trump is completely off topic
lol..always keep the men guessing.
This article comes off as comedy.
Thanks for stopping by. I'm sure that will be one of the better critiques.
Then it would appear as if at least one of us is easily entertained.
It seems as if the pros and cons were decided by gender. Who didn't see that coming?
And now it is something to be frowned upon? We got it.
My argument isn't with Friedan's philosophy, but how it has turned out.
She said it was about women having choices
The reality of the Feminist movement:
"It’s clear: According to liberal dogma, one can only be a feminist if they are pro-choice.
Organizers of the anti-Trump Women’s March, which include abortion groups like Planned Parenthood and NARAL, were put into an uncomfortable position, when some pro-life groups wanted to join them.
According to a report in the Atlantic: “As many as a few hundred pro-lifers are planning to attend the Women’s March on Washington , which has been billed as feminist counterprogramming to the inauguration.”
The reason? These women were also put-off by Mr. Trump’s indecent comments toward women on the campaign trail.
“Many pro-life women felt just as outraged as pro-choice women about Donald Trump’s conduct and comments, including the revelation that he once bragged about groping women without their permission,” the Atlantic wrote.
In that vein a pro-life group New Wave Feminists, which is based in Texas, was briefly allowed to partner with the Women’s March on Washington …until intolerant leftists feminists voiced their outrage.
“Intersectional feminism does not include a pro-life agenda. That’s not how it works! The right to choose is a fundamental part of feminism,” feminist Roxane Gay wrote on Twitter."
In other words women must all think our way!
Anyone who wants to can call themselves a feminist. Melania Trump says she is a feminist. Betty Ford was a feminist.
To me, being a feminist means supporting women's rights to be treated as equals, particularly in the workplace and in social settings.
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And frankly, women are better people than men are, all things considered. If the world were run by women we'd be much better off as a society.
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If pro lifers want to describe themselves as feminists, they have a right to try and make their case just like anyone else does. It is hard to get around the fact that making abortion illegal would deny a woman's right to control her body, which is the fundamental aspect of freedom.
I agree with that, John.
I agree with that John
Nikki Haley will turn out to be a very good president of the US. Keep your eye on her.
The Prager University video that was seeded literally says that women should be grateful that men allowed them to get the vote, and men invented washing machines and refrigerators.
And? Women should thank men as a gender for allowing them to vote? Really? As for the inventions, at the time these things were invented women were not as well educated as they have become, in general, because they were not given full rights in the society, and so the likelihood would have been men would invent things much more than women would. So what?
Men are their partners, not their competitors. You failed the lesson.
Only when men are their boyfriends or husbands are they their partners.
So in real life/in business, men are not their competitors?
They're their partners in all other aspects, not competitors?????
Do you actually believe that what you just said is an answer to my questions?
I believe you meant men are not their competitors?
(I waited 10 minutes to ask that)
In business men or other women can be competitors. In life men & women are partners. One is incomplete without the other.
Yes. The modern conveniences invented by men for women helped to liberate women from their traditional duties as home makers.
Not necessarily.
I am quite content living alone these days. Have lived with several women over the years but am now old and set in my ways. Like Bob Marley said "No Woman No Cry".
That devalues both.
'That devalues both.'
Here Here Sandy!
Informayional: I think it's - " hear! hear !"
Informayional: I think it's informational
Sounds right.
One does not necessarily need a partner to be "complete." Some can do just fine solo too.
Ah, the love of self!
Um-hum!
I don't think you know what "literally" means, And then to top it off you post the comment that you somehow deciphered means that women should be grateful.
KD, you are not up to it.
I dont know why your gif is not always removed as trolling.
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Ah, there is nothing like the smell of mansplaining feminism in the morning.
LMAO! Welcome aboard!
Really, some men have no clue do they?
Some men or some women?
I said some men
Like whom?
Those who try to tell women who the feminists are and how they would qualify.
I see, so it wasn't personal?
Yes nothing like throwing out your wore out mansplaining card every chance you get.
So called feminist today have been hijacked be the left wing extremist that shut down any opposition that does not participate in their group think, they don't want equal rights, they want their way.
Senators told what to wear, when to clap, when to stand by a single woman at the SOTU....feminism.
Yep, they all followed Princess Pelosi like mindless sheep.
Lol, you guys really make my point with every comment. Continue.
You guys don't have even the beginnings of what a feminist is or isn't. Vic says this:
Well, YOU'RE WELCOME, Vic! That was me, bearing and raising and nurturing three kids in three different countries. I am the epitome of your favorite women, who knew?!
No thanks. You should have read that - it said the women in my life! Nice of you to raise your kids. Hopefully you taught them some values.
But yet you can't refute what I posted. Just more womansplaining.
Oh, any time a feminist has to explain feminism to a man it refutes his mansplaining. You speak for no women I know, and you don't understand women at all. You guys are a hoot. Certainly shines a light on why educated women are ghosting the gop.
When you can't refute someone's comment always resort to womansplaining.
I don't think anyone I know would know your ilk.
Ah more womansplaining, how cute, you need to come up with a new schtick.
Hopefully they are trying to teach some common sense to the triggered snowflakes in the democrat party.
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So you are trying to piss people off. Ok. If you dont have facts or argument on your side, piss people off. It gives you something to do here I suppose.
Isn't that what you are doing? Give me one shred proof for this hilarious statement.
My opinion is that women would have done a better job of running this world than men.
Your opinion is that women are worthless other than making babies.
I'd rather have my opinion, but you go right ahead.
And your opinion is that women are inherently better than men. You can have your opinion and I will have mine. Any politician who holds this belief will never see a vote from me. Any woman who holds that belief will not receive a shred of assistance from me. I will take care of myself because I am a man so you will never see me beg a woman for healthcare of a chance at a job I am under qualified for.
Well that is true, some women are better than most men.
Yea that's why girls want into the boys club. That's why women have to remake movies guys made famous, then ruin them. That's why female athletes complain about getting paid the same as men, but can't fill out a stadium. It's because they are just so much better than us. LMFAO!!!
We are obviously better than you!
Some incels are just so angry, bitter and full of themselves they can't admit anyone they have classified as inferior could ever make the world a better place. All they can do is rage and punch holes in their walls while being ignored and rejected by the women around them which makes them even more volatile. It's why white supremacy, misogyny and right wing extremism often go hand in hand and why so many in dirty Donald's base had no problems with his comments about not even waiting for consent and just grabbing women by their genitals like worthless pieces of meat to be objectified, used and abused.
Here comes the shining white knight to save the day. The Man who is sticking up for women and restoring their dignity. [deleted] Always taking her side without evidence and ignoring facts to claims they aren't suitable for career fields they struggle to find representation in. Go ahead lie to yourself, to the world, whoever you want. When blacks started playing sports in college, teams who wouldn't mix their teams ended up losing. This was because blacks really did add value to the teams they were on. Therefor even the most racist schools had to make way for the black man. See how capitalist industries work themselves out like that? If someone truly adds value to it, they will get the job. That's how capitalism is truly the most inclusive form of government you can have. So therefore using the same logic, if women are under represented in IT, or leadership roles like the presidency, it's because they didn't deserve it. Not because of misogyny. So please white knights, just stop. You are not helping anybody and women don't even want your help so why even try?
Impressive babbling.
I disagree, not impressive at all.
Careful with that hair trigger, you wouldn't want it accidentally discharging in your pants. It is sad to see that some still hold onto such vile hate-filled misogyny and I can only feel sorry for anyone that has to interact with those who cling to such lame beliefs.
No one has to lie to themselves to treat women with respect, kindness and equality. The golden rule isn't "Do unto other men as you'd have them do to you, but for, women treat them any way you want". Treating others as you would want to be treated shouldn't have any skin color or gender exclusions, and any man with even a modicum of self respect and dignity would never treat women as inferior or even suggest they simply can't do a job because it's traditionally a male held position.
But that's the thing, there are still many men out there with no self respect or dignity so they can only feel better about themselves by treating those they have labeled as "inferior" as second class citizens. The fact is, those worthless dick wads prove themselves to be inferior and are, by their bigotry and misogyny, asking to be treated as inferior themselves as they are "doing unto others" what they want to be done to them. The only "white knights" I know of are those wearing bed sheets and burning crosses on lawns who also embrace misogyny along with their hate for minorities, and yes, I wish they would just stop. Real men treat women as they themselves want to be treated and aren't triggered by strong women stepping up to make the world a better place for women around the globe. Sadly, there are few of them among the right wing extremists and dishonest Donald's rabid base.
You consistently attempt to do that here on a daily basis. Facts are not your friends.
What 'boys club' are you talking about?
You know that it's male producers and directors remaking those movies right?
So since USA Women's Soccer is packing stadiums and brings in more revenue, they should make more then the men's team. Glad we agree.
Gee, with that 'us' statement, you're taking ownership for achievements that you don't seem to have been a part in accomplishing?
What famous movies have you been in or what athletic team have you been a part of that filled out a stadium?
Hey some people like toes. I'm more of a boob guy. Don't get me wrong if an attractive, traditional woman who acts right wants me to kiss her toes, I will do it. I don't hate women as my rants would suggest. I just believe we are becoming more and more a gynocentric society and it's actually harmful to let it go unchecked. I have heard more than one person repeat the same thing I quoted 6.1.1. And it goes unchecked usually and if you do check it, you are a misogynist. This type of thing has to stop. There are plenty of corrupt women who abuse power. Plenty of women in charge who have voted to go to war. Plenty of women who sexually abused their subordinates. When people are so completely deluded that questioning the motives of someone like Christine Ford in this political climate makes you anything other than a misogynist, it's a legitimate problem. Women are not perfect, or innocent, or kept out of anything. Politicians pit them against men so instead of focusing on the actual people passing legislation that is not helping them, they compete with men for a piece of our pie. I'm tired of seeing it.
A PIECE OF YOUR PIE?
There it is again.........you think it's "your" pie to share. Sad.
{tiny violin emoji}
Well, when industries are preferring to hire women just to look inclusive or meet some kind of quota to avoid social pressure, it could affect me directly. All just so they can say they are good social justice warriors, doing the right thing instead of the best thing. How noble
Don't tell me it doesn't happen because I have witnessed it personally. It happens. Of course I work for a Canadian owned company who does not try to hide their progressive stance. Anything I say about my personal experience would be anecdotal but it does happen especially in big corporations.
Not too many people at your corporation are SJW's, but I am certain that upper management, if they are paying attention, realize that a diverse work force and diverse management lead to increased profitability.
It's well documented.
from 2014,
The only pressure that counts is the bottom line.
I know a 35 year old female, 5 feet tall, 100 lbs soaking wet, married, has kids, who learned from her dad how to dry wall, do roofing, and all around remodeling. She flipped 1 victorian and one stone house built in the 1800s.
She taught her husband things he didn't know how to do.
Her and her husband bought a farm and they rehabilitate horses and find homes for them.
She is knock out gorgeous.
She could run circles around men and home remodeling.
Who are you to say that women shouldn't be in certain industries.
And a mere 100 lbs she could even play the role of a concentration camp survivor. I'll be her agent!
I never said women can't do anything. I simply said if they are under represented, it's because there are not enough of them with enough skill to be equally represented. That's it. It's not some conspiracy theory of old white men keeping women out of certain industries. It's a lack of women in general to want to be in those industries. I personally work in IT and you rarely see women even apply. It's not a job that most women are naturally interested in. It doesn't involve socializing with people it's sitting at a desk looking at a screen often by yourself and your own thoughts. It's not glamorous or popular or anything like they try to make it look on TV. Women tend to prefer to be directly involved with people not shut up in a closet by themselves. It's natural. So people should stop saying there is a problem in the industry, it 's a problem with female nature. Congrats to your friend. My mom could also work most men under the table too. Most other women couldn't, what's your point?
Land's sake, you are indefatigable.
Godwin's law?
Hardly
Hate to burst your bubble, but where I work there are plenty of women in the IT department.
The Tech boom is what really opened the door for women. We now graduate more women than men. Isn't math great?
Good then the next time i hear somebody bitching and moaning about it ill let them know you said there are plenty of women in IT
You seriously think i have a problem with women in IT? Please! Bring them on! The hotter the better. Nothing hotter than talking tech with a chick who knows her stuff. She could even be less attractive if she can prove to me show knows what shes talking about. It has happened but its rare. Most of them are entry level.
Im just speaking from personal experience. I went to a technical college in a highly diverse area. There was only ever one female in my classes at a time. EVER. How else would you explain it? Progressive area, lots of women. What's the excuse? Most be all the popular girls arent standing around the lockers talking about Cisco syntax huh?
Does the woman in your life know how you feel about women?
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I have a couple casual relationships. Nothing serious. This conversation would never come up with a "woman in my life" because I would never commit to a woman if I smelt even the slightest stench of progressive feminism on her. Sorry but it's unattractive. And as a woman if you are not attractive, what are you going to add to my life. I sure as shit don't need a breadwinner. I am one.
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what a prize
Some here live life incelated from the real world. Fortunately these types are facing extinction.
I have no idea why someone would want to publicly make the kinds of comments he makes. No self-reflection at all.
I lost my husband when I was 50 (he passed away), I have a job, what would you have me do, starve or have to be on assistance because I didn't work while I was married.
Then conservatives would be bitching and moaning that I needed the "system" to live.
It's not a feminism thing, its a survival thing.
Not to be mean, but with that attitude that's why you only have "casual" women in your life.
I have to figure things out on my own i.e., home repairs....In the last 7 years, I fixed my dryer and my sump pump without the help of a man. What, I should have to call a professional every time I need something fixed in my house?
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They go by the name of Democrat/liberal/socialist, etc Fortunately these types are facing extinction.
Did you mean insulated or isolated?
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I meant "incelated". Figure it out.
Maybe you're of that persuasion also.
I knew exactly what you meant. : )
I'm sure you did...................
I doubt many involuntarily celibate men have the brain power to figure it out. There's a reason they're celibate and it almost always has something to do with their diseased mental state.
I'm not so sure who is facing extinction. Many of us have had enough of all the PC, hate and the role reversals.
Maybe you should cease with the personal attacks. Normally you have that crafty way of hurling an insult. That won't work here!
Then please, by all means, just stop doing it.
That's called skirting
If you are of that opinion, per the CoC, instead of replying to it, flag it.
I'm trying to be nice
You're failing.
What would you do without dulay to monitor your posts for you Vic?
Let's not make it about me again. Any thoughts on women thinking for themselves?
Like I said the other day, I'm honored to get all this attention.
You brought it up.
Sure, I'm all for it. I invariably benefit from them doing so.
I sure as hell wouldn't try to stop any of the women in my life from doing so.
Feminism went from "The Grand Olde Enlightenment" (A good thing), to just "Ideological Hair Splitting, Name Calling and Mutual Recrimination" (A Bad Thing).
My generation knew of the time when women doctors, police officers, lawyers, politicians, etc where rare. I hardly knew of any when I was growing up. Women had few legal rights regarding the protection of their financial independence. And regarding their physical well being. My daughters don't know of a time when there wasn't. Yes, that is a good thing.
Now....it's all about "Pussy hats and costumes", and Chastising everyone that won't wear the "Costume".
Thank goodness your daughters grew up before the "Now comes the Time of the Nutz" !
It is embarrassing. I don't see someone like Madonna as a good role model for feminism. What the hell has she ever done?
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Saying there was victory and the fight is over is a false premise on its own.
There is still plenty of discrimination around. It is the same as saying there is no racial hatred or bigotry against gay people just because they have gained equal rights.
It still exists.
Calling the movement 'leftist' or outdated is just another way of trying to diminish it.