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Why Wasn’t Andrew McCabe Charged?

  
Via:  Vic Eldred  •  4 years ago  •  50 comments

By:   By ANDREW C. MCCARTHY

Why Wasn’t Andrew McCabe Charged?
The proof that he willfully deceived investigators appears strong, but the Justice Department likely felt there were too many obstacles to convicting him.

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T he  Justice Department announced Friday that it is closing its  investigation of Andrew McCabe , the FBI’s former deputy director, over his false statements to investigators probing an unauthorized leak that McCabe had orchestrated. McCabe was fired in March 2018, shortly after a blistering Justice Department inspector general (IG)  report  concluded that he repeatedly and blatantly lied — or, as the Bureau lexicon puts it, “lacked candor” — when questioned, including under oath.

Why not indict McCabe on felony false-statements charges? That is the question being pressed by incensed Trump supporters. After all, the constitutional guarantee of equal justice under the law is supposed to mean that McCabe gets the same quality of justice afforded to the sad sacks pursued with unseemly zeal by McCabe’s FBI and Robert Mueller’s prosecutors. George Papadopoulos was convicted of making a trivial false statement about the date of a meeting. Roger Stone was convicted of obstruction long after the special counsel knew there was no Trump–Russia conspiracy, even though his meanderings did not impede the investigation in any meaningful way. And in the case of Michael Flynn’s false-statements conviction, as McCabe himself acknowledged to the House Intelligence Committee, even the agents who interviewed him did not believe he   intentionally   misled them.

I emphasize Flynn’s intent because purported lack of intent is McCabe’s principal defense, too.   Even McCabe himself , to say nothing of his lawyers and his apologists in the anti-Trump network of bureaucrats-turned-pundits, cannot deny that he made false statements to FBI agents and the IG. Rather, they argue that the 21-year senior law-enforcement official did not mean to lie, that he was too distracted by his high-level responsibilities to focus on anything as mundane as a leak — even though he seemed pretty damned focused on the leak while he was orchestrating it.


The “he did not believe he intentionally  misled them” defense is not just implausible; it proved unavailing on McCabe’s watch, at least in General Flynn’s case. Hence, McCabe has a back-up plan: To argue that it would be extraordinary — and thus unconstitutionally selective and retaliatory — for the Justice Department to prosecute a former official for false statements in a “mere” administrative inquiry (which the leak probe was), as opposed to a criminal investigation. Again, tell that to Flynn, with whom the FBI conducted a brace-style interview — at the White House, without his counsel present, and in  blithe disregard  of procedures for FBI interviews of the president’s staff — despite the  absence of a sound investigative basis  for doing so, and whom Mueller’s maulers squeezed into a guilty plea anyway.


It will be a while before we learn the whole story of why the Justice Department walked away from the McCabe case, if we ever do. I have some supposition to offer on that score. First, however, it is worth revisiting the case against McCabe as outlined by the meticulous and highly regarded IG, Michael Horowitz. If you want to know why people are so angry, and why they are increasingly convinced that, for all President Trump’s “drain the swamp” rhetoric, a two-tiered justice system that rewards the well-connected is alive and well, consider the following.


McCabe’s Leak

In October 2016, McCabe directed his counsel, Lisa Page, to leak investigative information about the FBI’s Clinton Foundation probe to reporter Devlin Barrett, then of the   Wall Street Journal . The leak had the effect of confirming the existence of the investigation, something the FBI is supposed to resist. While his high rank gave him the power to authorize such a disclosure if it were in the public interest, the IG found that McCabe’s leak “was clearly not within the public interest.”

In fact, the Bureau’s then-director, James Comey, had tried to keep the Clinton Foundation probe under wraps, refusing to confirm or deny its existence even to the House Judiciary Committee. Comey had been right to stay mum: Public revelation would have harmed the probe and thrust the FBI deeper into the politics of the then-imminent 2016 presidential election, in which Hillary Clinton was the Democratic candidate and her investigation by the Bureau was an explosive campaign issue.


Notwithstanding these concerns, according to Horowitz’s report, McCabe orchestrated the leak “to advance his personal interests” — to paint himself in a favorable light in comparison to Justice Department officials amid an internal dispute about the Clinton Foundation probe (specifically, about the Obama Justice Department’s pressure on the Bureau to drop it ). As the IG put it: “McCabe’s disclosure was an attempt to make himself look good by making senior department leadership . . . look bad.”
McCabe’s account has been contradicted by Comey, a witness who is otherwise sympathetic to him and hostile to the Trump Justice Department, and whose actions — like his — are being examined in prosecutor John Durham’s probe of the Trump-Russia investigation. Comey’s testimony is directly at odds with McCabe’s version of events, and the IG painstakingly explained why the former director’s version was credible while his deputy’s was not. ( Comey was, nevertheless, exceedingly complimentary of McCabe  after the IG report was published.)

Page is regarded by McCabe backers as key to his defense. She   reportedly told the grand jury   that, because McCabe had authority to approve media disclosures, he had   no motive to lie   about the leak. That’s laughable. McCabe did serially mislead investigators, so plainly he had some reason for doing so. But even putting that aside, the IG’s conclusion was not that McCabe lacked authority to leak; it was that he lacked a public-interest justification for exercising that authority. He leaked for self-promotion purposes, and then he lied about it because it was humiliating to be caught putting his personal interests ahead of the Bureau’s investigative integrity. That said, Page’s account does illuminate a problem for prosecutors: It’s tough to win a case when your witnesses are spinning for the defendant. (Oh, and have you seen   Page’s tweet toasting McCabe   in the aftermath of the news that the DOJ had closed the investigation?)

McCabe’s Multiple False Statements


Barrett’s Journal  article appeared on October 30, 2016. The very next day, McCabe deceived Comey about it, indicating that he had not authorized the leak and had no idea who its source was. In Comey’s telling, credited by the IG, McCabe “definitely” did not acknowledge that he had approved the leak.

Thereafter, the FBI’s Inspection Division (INSD) opened an investigation of the leak. On May 9, 2017, McCabe denied to two INSD investigators that he knew the source of the leak. This was not a fleeting conversation. McCabe was placed under oath, and the INSD agents provided him with a copy of Barrett’s article. He read it and initialed it to acknowledge that he had done so. He was questioned about it by the agents, who took contemporaneous notes. McCabe told the agents that he had “no idea where [the leaked information] came from” or “who the source was.”

On July 28, 2017, McCabe was interviewed by the IG’s office — under oath and recorded on tape. In that session, he preposterously claimed to be unaware that Page, his FBI counsel, was directed to speak to reporters around the time of the October 30   Journal   report. McCabe added that he was out of town then, and thus unaware of what Page had been up to. In point of fact, McCabe had consulted closely with Page about the leak. A paper trail of their texts and phone contacts evinced his keen interest in Page’s communications with Barrett. Consequently, the IG concluded that McCabe’s denials were “demonstrably false.”

Clearly concerned about the hole he had dug for himself, McCabe called the IG’s office four days later, on August 1, 2017, to say that, shucks, come to think of it, he just might have kinda, sorta told Page to speak with Barrett after all. He might even have told her to coordinate with Mike Kortan, then the Bureau’s top media liaison, and follow-up with the   Journal   about   some of its prior reporting .

As the IG observed, this “attempt to correct his prior false testimony” was the “appropriate” thing for McCabe to do. Alas, when he was given an opportunity to come in and explain himself, he compounded his misconduct by making more false statements while under oath: In an interview with investigators on November 29, 2017, McCabe purported to recall informing Comey that he, McCabe,   had   authorized the leak, and that Comey had responded that the leak was a good idea.

These were quite stunning recollections, given that the deputy director had previously disclaimed any knowledge about the source of the leak. But McCabe took care of that little hiccup by simply denying his prior denial. That is, he insisted that he had not feigned ignorance about the leak when INSD interviewed him on May 9. Indeed, McCabe even denied that the May 9 interview had been a real interview. To the contrary, he claimed that agents had casually pulled him aside at the conclusion of a meeting on an unrelated topic, and peppered him out of the blue with a question or two about the   Journal   leak. As General Flynn could tell you, that sort of thing can be tough on a busy top U.S. government official . . . although Flynn did not get much sympathy for it when McCabe was running the FBI.

Again, the IG concluded that McCabe’s version of events was “demonstrably false.”

McCabe Covers His Tracks

As an old trial lawyer, I’d be remiss if I failed to rehearse my favorite part of the IG’s report — the part that would tell a jury everything they needed to know about good ol’ Andy McCabe.

Again, the   Journal   story generated by McCabe’s leak was published on October 30, a Sunday. Late that afternoon, McCabe called the head of the FBI’s Manhattan office. Why? Well . . . to ream him out over media leaks, that’s why. McCabe railed that New York agents must be the culprits. He also made a similar call to the Bureau’s Washington field office, warning its chief to “get his house in order” and stop these terribly damaging leaks.

It is worth remembering McCabe’s October 30 scolding of subordinates when you think about how he later claimed that, on the very next day, he’d freely admitted to his superior, Comey, that he himself was the source of the leak. Quite the piece of work, this guy: To throw the scent off himself after carefully arranging the leak, McCabe dressed down the FBI’s two premier field offices, knowing they were completely innocent, and then pretended for months that he knew nothing about the leak.

This is the second-highest-ranking officer of the nation’s top law-enforcement agency we’re talking about, here.

The Non-Prosecution Decision

We may never get a satisfying explanation for the Justice Department’s decision to drop the McCabe probe. That’s the way it is when such complicated reasons and motives are at play.

The aforementioned challenge of hostile witnesses is not to be underestimated. In addition, there are growing indications that the Justice Department had lost confidence in the U.S. attorney who was overseeing the probe, Jesse Liu.   As I noted this week , while Liu was once seen as a rising Trump administration star, she was quietly edged out of her post last month, and the White House just pulled her nomination to fill an important Treasury Department post.

There have been rumblings that the McCabe investigation was botched. Kamil Shields, a prosecutor who   reportedly   grew frustrated by her supervisors’ inordinate delays in making decisions about the McCabe probe, ultimately left the Justice Department to take a private-practice job. Another prosecutor, David Kent, quit last summer as DOJ dithered over the decision on whether to prosecute. Things became so drawn out that the investigating grand jury’s term lapsed. Meanwhile, the Justice Department endorsed Liu’s aggressive decision to bring a thin, politically fraught false-statements case against former Obama White House counsel Greg Craig, in connection with lobbying for a foreign country — the sort of crime that is rarely prosecuted.   Craig was swiftly acquitted . Reportedly,   Liu advocated charging McCabe , but the DOJ may have harbored doubts about her judgment.

No matter the outcome, the Justice Department stood to take some hits if McCabe had been charged. Focus on McCabe’s leak would have drawn attention to pressure DOJ officials had put on the Bureau over the Clinton Foundation investigation (which,   reportedly , is likely to be closed without charges). It would also renew interest in the question of whether the FBI improperly allowed McCabe to play a role in Clinton-related investigations when his wife, as a political candidate, got major funding from Clinton-tied sources.

Moreover, new Freedom of Information Act disclosures — made to meet a deadline set by District Judge Reggie Walton, which may explain the timing of the non-prosecution announcement — indicate that the Justice Department and FBI did not   comply with regulations   in what appears to be the rushed termination of McCabe, adding heft to the former deputy director’s claim that he was being singled out for abusive treatment, potentially including prosecution, because of vengeful politics.

On that score, Judge Walton took pains to decry the fusillade of tweets directed at McCabe by President Trump. I must note here that if a district U.S. attorney publicly labeled as a liar a suspect the Justice Department had indicted for false statements, that U.S. attorney would be sanctioned by the court. The U.S. attorneys, like the rest of the Justice Department, work for Trump. The president is correct when he insists,   as he did this week , that he has the constitutional power to intervene in Justice Department matters.   But that means he is subject to the same legal obligations that inhibit his Justice Department subordinates.   Those obligations include protecting McCabe’s right to a fair trial — a duty the president may chafe at, but which is part of the deal when you take an oath to preserve the Constitution and execute the laws faithfully.

If you envision Judge Walton as part of the Obama-appointed robed resistance, check your premises. He is a no-nonsense jurist originally named to the D.C. Superior Court by President Reagan, and then to the federal district court by President George W. Bush.   As   Politico   reports , he had this to say about President Trump’s commentary on the McCabe investigation:

The public is listening to what’s going on, and I don’t think people like the fact that you got somebody at the top basically trying to dictate whether somebody should be prosecuted. . . . I just think it’s a banana republic when we go down that road. . . . I think there are a lot of people on the outside who perceive that there is undo inappropriate pressure being brought to bear. . . . It’s just, it’s very disturbing that we’re in the mess that we’re in in that regard. . . . I just think the integrity of the process is being unduly undermined by inappropriate comments and actions on the part of people at the top of our government. . . . I think it’s very unfortunate. And I think as a government and as a society we’re going to pay a price at some point for this.

If you want to know why Attorney General Barr was warning this week that the president’s tweets are undermining the Justice Department’s pursuit of its law-enforcement mission, Judge Walton’s words are worth heeding.   I have been making this point since the start of the Trump presidency . If you want people held accountable for their crimes, you have to ensure their fundamental right to due process. When the government poisons the well, the bad guys reap the benefits.

Finally, we must note that when the District of Columbia is the venue for any prosecution with political overtones, Justice Department charging decisions must factor in the jury pool, which is solidly anti-Trump.

The proof that McCabe willfully deceived investigators appears strong — it is noteworthy that IG Horowitz, who has strained to give the FBI the benefit of the doubt in many dubious contexts, was unequivocal in slamming McCabe. Nevertheless, a D.C. jury would be weighing that evidence, as discounted by whatever pro-McCabe slant reluctant prosecution witnesses put on it. And the jury would be weighing against that evidence (a) whatever problems caused prosecutors at the U.S. attorney’s office to beg off, and more significantly, (b) defense arguments that McCabe would not have been fired or prosecuted if not for the fact that he had gotten crosswise with a president of the United States whom at least some of the jurors are apt to dislike.

Looking at all that baggage, the Justice Department must not have liked its chances.

McCabe is not out of the woods yet, of course: The Durham investigation is a separate matter, and it is continuing. But it is unclear whether he will face any criminal charges arising from that inquiry, whereas the now-dead-and-buried false-statements case against him looked cut-and-dried.

The FBI’s former deputy director, though he undeniably misled investigators, remains a commentator at CNN. In the meantime, Papadopoulos is a felon convicted and briefly imprisoned for misleading investigators, while Flynn and Stone are awaiting sentencing on their false-statements charges. That covers both tiers of our justice system.

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ANDREW C. MCCARTHY  is a senior fellow at National Review Institute





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Vic Eldred
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1  seeder  Vic Eldred    4 years ago

For those who would like to comment I ask that they read the entire article.

For those who enjoy reading NT articles & seeds, I offer one that answer's one of the most intriguing questions of the day.

 
 
 
cjcold
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1.1  cjcold  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    4 years ago

What an interesting piece of fiction. Nothing but spin.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3  XXJefferson51    4 years ago

Frankly I’d rather nail Brennan, Clapper, and Comey and see their smug butts behind bars 7-9 years each

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3    4 years ago

We shall see. I got a feeling the CIA is finally being looked at

 
 
 
evilone
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4  evilone    4 years ago

He wasn't charged because prosecutors couldn't get a grand jury to indict him. Period. Full stop. End of discussion.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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4.1  Split Personality  replied to  evilone @4    4 years ago

In a town where it's rumored that even a ham sandwich gets indicted if the prosecutors ask for it, a grand jury, ( at least one, possibly two ) did not indict.

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evilone
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4.1.1  evilone  replied to  Split Personality @4.1    4 years ago

I was thinking that when I read an article (maybe The Hill? I'm not sure.) the other day reporting this. It said "multiple grand juries". It was a WTF moment for sure. I wonder if McCabe can sue for wrongful termination now and get his retirement? 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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4.1.2  Greg Jones  replied to  evilone @4.1.1    4 years ago

It wasn't wrongful. Remember, he "lacked candor".

 
 
 
Split Personality
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4.1.3  Split Personality  replied to  evilone @4.1.1    4 years ago

He is suing.  He was on terminal leave for almost two months when they fired him the day before his approved retirement benefits would have started.

What he lost was the ability to collect at age 50, rather than wait until he is 62, a tangible loss, as well as his eligibility for a special top-up benefit.

It has been suggested that he could work in another Federal capacity for one pay period to qualify for any lost benefits.

McCabe said that his firing was unjust, and is asking the judge to compel the Justice Department to provide him with back pay, his full pension, and to expunge his record. 
 
 
 
evilone
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4.1.4  evilone  replied to  Split Personality @4.1.3    4 years ago

That's a nice finger in the eye to Trump and Co. Hahahaha!

 
 
 
Dulay
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4.1.5  Dulay  replied to  Split Personality @4.1.3    4 years ago

The documents released to CREW through their FOIA suit basically prove that McCabe's firing was unjustified and violated multiple FBI regulations. 

 
 
 
Split Personality
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4.1.6  Split Personality  replied to  Dulay @4.1.5    4 years ago
and violated multiple FBI regulations. 

under pressure...

 
 
 
Dulay
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4.1.7  Dulay  replied to  Split Personality @4.1.6    4 years ago

Perhaps the tide has turned. Now that DOJ officials are drawing a line, Federal Judges are meeting to figure out how to defend the Judiciary, and oversight groups are flooding the government with FOIA requests, more and more will come out and fewer will buckle  to unlawful orders. 

 
 
 
JumpDrive
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5  JumpDrive    4 years ago
Why Wasn’t Andrew McCabe Charged?

Here's a simple explanation excerpted from lawfareblog.com :

The possibility of a criminal case against McCabe has smelled bad for a while. As one of us has spelled out in detail, this is not the kind of case that normally ends up as a criminal matter. While the Justice Department inspector general report that led to McCabe’s dismissal from the bureau is sharply critical of his conduct, indictments for false statements in internal Justice Department investigations, without some exacerbating factor, are exceedingly rare. This sort of misconduct is normally handled in internal disciplinary proceedings—and McCabe was already fired. Indeed, there’s nothing about the inspector general’s findings about McCabe that seem to make his case a likely candidate for a criminal disposition. What makes McCabe’s situation distinctive, rather, is the public campaign against him by the president of the United States, who has tweeted and spoken repeatedly about McCabe and publicly called for his prosecution.

 
 
 
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5.1  Dulay  replied to  JumpDrive @5    4 years ago
Here's a simple explanation excerpted from lawfareblog.com

Yet shortly the seeder will lock this seed with a 'just to wrap up' comment that goes right back to the bullshit in his seed and still try to claim that it's factual. 

 
 
 
bbl-1
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6  bbl-1    4 years ago

The Headline:  "Why Wasn't Andrew McCabe Charged?"

The answer:  Because telling the truth is not a crime. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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7  seeder  Vic Eldred    4 years ago

For those who have read the article, one can easily see why the DOJ was reluctant to prosecute rogue agent and national disgrace Andrew McCabe. Maybe he gets to join other members of the club who got away with what they so harshly punished others for.

The AG is in no way finished with these matters.

There is still the all encompassing Durham investigation into the origins of the fraudulent Russia investigations.

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In addition, Barr has now assigned US Attorney Scott Brady to serve as investigator for information funneled to the United States from sources in Ukraine, including information about Biden and his son Hunter Biden (gathered by Rudy Giuliani)

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And US Attorney Jeff Jenson will investigate the disturbing circumstances surrounding the Mueller case against Micheal Flynn

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Andy, I wouldn't relax in that cushy CNN chair just yet.

It seems that we are just beginning to get to the bottom of what our leftists rogue agents in government did to American citizens.

 
 
 
Dulay
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7.1  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @7    4 years ago
For those who have read the article, one can easily see why the DOJ was reluctant to prosecute rogue agent and national disgrace Andrew McCabe.

For those who read the DOCUMENTS that CREW forced the DOJ to release through FOIA it's easy to see why the DOJ couldn't get a Grand Jury to indict Andrew McCabe. The DOCUMENTS exonerate McCabe but of course McCarthy couldn't be bothered to actually READ them. Facts refuting his ideology are far too inconvenient. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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7.1.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dulay @7.1    4 years ago

He is not exonerated. The DOJ simply doubted they could win in a fuckin DC Court with what they had.

 
 
 
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7.1.2  katrix  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.1.1    4 years ago
He is not exonerated. The DOJ simply doubted they could win in a fuckin DC Court with what they had

So then you are admitting that the Mueller report didn't exonerate Trump. Good to know.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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7.1.3  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  katrix @7.1.2    4 years ago
So then you are admitting that the Mueller report didn't exonerate Trump.

Prosecutors don't exonerate. The Mueller team fraudulently investigated the President for 3 years and found nothing - It's that simple!


Good to know.

I'm at your service.

 
 
 
katrix
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7.1.4  katrix  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.1.3    4 years ago

Unfortunately, your answer was wrong, but thanks for trying.

The DOJ simply doubted they could indict a sitting President due to past precedence, and Mueller made that very clear in his report. He also specifically stated that he did not exonerate Trump, and that he would have if he could have.

And his impeachment was not exonerated when the Senate refused to convict, either.

Rather a double standard on your part.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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7.1.5  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  katrix @7.1.4    4 years ago
The DOJ simply doubted they could indict a sitting President due to past precedence, and Mueller made that very clear in his report.

Mueller was not bound by any such precedence, nor do I think that Robert Mueller was aware of much of what was in that report. Andrew Weissmann ran that show and he knew back in early 2017 that there was no collusion. Weissmann kept that "investigation" going until the dems won back the House, hoping to hand them some addendum to the report which could be used for an impeachment. All the innuendo that was in there (which didn't belong in there) was still not enough to get an impeachment going.

And his impeachment was not exonerated when the Senate refused to convict, either.

YES, it was. A TRIAL is able to EXONERATE!  And in this case the onus will forever be on the hate filled rotten souls who did the impeachment!

Rather a double standard on your part.

I'm always consistent. You of all people should know that.

 
 
 
Dulay
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7.1.6  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.1.3    4 years ago
Prosecutors don't exonerate.

Yet Trump claimed that Mueller, the Special PROSECUTOR, exonerated him, didn't he Vic? 

The Mueller team fraudulently investigated the President for 3 years and found nothing - It's that simple!

That is simply utter bullshit.

FAIL. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
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7.1.7  Tessylo  replied to  katrix @7.1.4    4 years ago

The only standard they have.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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7.1.8  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dulay @7.1.6    4 years ago
Yet Trump claimed that Mueller, the Special PROSECUTOR, exonerated him, didn't he Vic? 

He sure did!  But that's Trump isn't it?


That is simply utter bullshit.

No that is fact. Sorry that you don't like it.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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7.1.9  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @7.1.7    4 years ago
The only standard they have.

Remember what Tig said?  You can't blame a whole group for what one says or does!

 
 
 
Split Personality
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7.1.10  Split Personality  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.1.5    4 years ago
Weissmann kept that "investigation" going until the dems won back the House, hoping to hand them some addendum to the report which could be used for an impeachment.

That's some theory, lol.

 
 
 
Dulay
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7.1.11  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.1.5    4 years ago
Mueller was not bound by any such precedence,

Yet Mueller stated clearly in the report that he WAS bound by the OLC ruling and Barr did not and has not refuted that finding. 

So tell me, what lead you to that unfounded conclusion? 

nor do I think that Robert Mueller was aware of much of what was in that report. Andrew Weissmann ran that show and he knew back in early 2017 that there was no collusion. Weissmann kept that "investigation" going until the dems won back the House, hoping to hand them some addendum to the report which could be used for an impeachment. All the innuendo that was in there (which didn't belong in there) was still not enough to get an impeachment going.

Speaking of innuendo...

YES, it was. A TRIAL is able to EXONERATE!  

Nope. Not guilty does NOT mean exonerated. 

And in this case the onus will forever be on the hate filled rotten souls who did the impeachment!

You mean the managers who many GOP Senators admitted proved their case? 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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7.1.12  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Split Personality @7.1.10    4 years ago
That's some theory, lol.

I thought you'd be impressed

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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7.1.13  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dulay @7.1.11    4 years ago
Yet Mueller stated clearly

Did you listen to Robert Mueller?


You mean the managers who many GOP Senators admitted proved their case? 

I wouldn't know, I live on planet earth

 
 
 
Dulay
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7.1.14  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.1.8    4 years ago
He sure did!  But that's Trump isn't it?

Trump and all of his sycophants, including members here. 

No that is fact. Sorry that you don't like it.

Prove that it's a 'fact' Vic. 

 
 
 
Dulay
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7.1.15  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.1.13    4 years ago
Did you listen to Robert Mueller?

Yes. 

I wouldn't know, I live on planet earth

So do the GOP Senators that admitted that the House managers proved Trump's wrongdoing. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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7.1.16  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dulay @7.1.14    4 years ago
Trump and all of his sycophants

Nope. Trump gets to speak for himself. I speak for myself. Understand?


Prove that it's a 'fact' Vic.

Prove that the Mueller investigation turned up zero evidence of collusion?

It's available everywhere. Even CNN admitted it.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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7.1.17  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dulay @7.1.15    4 years ago
Yes. 

Good.
Did it sound to you like he knew what was in the Mueller Report? 
Did it sound to you like he actually ran the investigation?

 
 
 
Dulay
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7.1.18  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.1.16    4 years ago
Nope. Trump gets to speak for himself. I speak for myself. Understand?

Actually, since I didn't say a fucking thing about you, all I understand is that you're deflecting. 

Prove that the Mueller investigation turned up zero evidence of collusion?

Sure, but prove your first statement first. Here it is:

The Mueller team fraudulently investigated the President for 3 years and found nothing 

Go. 

 
 
 
Dulay
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7.1.19  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.1.17    4 years ago
Did it sound to you like he knew what was in the Mueller Report?  

Yes. 

Did it sound to you like he actually ran the investigation?

Yes. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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7.1.20  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dulay @7.1.18    4 years ago
Actually, since I didn't say a fucking thing about you

Nice to know.


all I understand is that you're deflecting. 

Then I don't think you do understand.


Go. 

There was no criminal pretext for having an investigation. Thus, it was fraudulent. You know, a wrongful or criminal deception.

Done.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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7.1.21  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dulay @7.1.19    4 years ago
Yes. 

 
 
 
Dulay
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7.1.22  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.1.20    4 years ago
There was no criminal pretext for having an investigation. Thus, it was fraudulent. You know, a wrongful or criminal deception.
Done.

I'm sure that is no surprise to you that I do not consider your proclamation as proof of anything. 

Prove that Mueller 'fraudulently investigated' Trump. 

 
 
 
Dulay
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7.1.23  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.1.21    4 years ago

Wow. 2 minutes 16 seconds of a 7+ hour hearing proves so much doesn't it Vic? /s

That's some weak shit right there. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
7.1.24  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dulay @7.1.23    4 years ago

It proved that the man was senile and nothing more than a proxy for Weissmann & co.

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Expert
7.1.25  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.1.24    4 years ago
It proved that the man was senile and nothing more than a proxy for Weissmann & co.

No and it didn't prove that Mueller 'fraudulently investigated' Trump either. Still waiting for you to prove that Vic. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
8  Tessylo    4 years ago

'And in this case the onus will forever be on the hate filled rotten souls who did the impeachment!'

You mean those who did their jobs of oversight while the 'president' and the gop did (the 'president' did what?)

 
 
 
katrix
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8.1  katrix  replied to  Tessylo @8    4 years ago

Amazing how someone can claim that honoring our Constitution and its separation of powers means we are "hate filled rotten souls." No disdain at all for the would-be dictator abusing his power, of course.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
8.1.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  katrix @8.1    4 years ago
Amazing how someone can claim that honoring our Constitution and its separation of powers means we are "hate filled rotten souls."

I did not include you in that.

 
 

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