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Who's 'Deplorable' Now?

  
Via:  XXJefferson51  •  4 years ago  •  54 comments

By:   Clarence Mc Kee

Who's 'Deplorable' Now?
For them, the longer the country suffers, the worse it is for the president regardless of the impact on their fellow Americans—and the nation. Irrespective of facts and progress, they want to blame the president for the pandemic, and not China. They also are the first to attack Americans protesting shutdowns and lockdowns who only wish to go back to work.

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It is sad that things are the way they are in this country.  It’s too bad that some who think themselves as our betters call us deplorables go having the presumption to dare to disagree with them.  Clarence is right on in his article.  


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Hats off to U.S. Attorney General William "Bill" Barr for standing up for the rights of Americans against  government overreach and siding with citizens suing local governments for stepping on their constitutional rights.

Have you noticed that most of those opposed to re-opening the country as soon as possible, criticizing shutdown/lockdown protesters, and accusing the president of being slow to respond to the COVID-19 virus don’t have to worry about where they will get their next dollar or meal?

It's the usual suspects:

—Members of the "let's take another recess" Congress

—Several Democratic governors and big-city mayors, each with salary guarantees.

—Trump-hating journalists like those we see daily at the White House Coronavirus Task Force briefings—as well as many of their cable news network colleagues.

For them, the longer the country suffers, the worse it is for the president regardless of the impact on their fellow Americans— and the nation . Irrespective of facts and progress, they want to blame the president for the pandemic,  and not China .

They also are the first to attack Americans protesting shutdowns and lockdowns who only wish to go back to work.

Michigan’s former Democratic governor and CNN contributor Jennifer Granholm said demonstrators protesting current Democratic Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer’s restrictive stay-at-home orders were selfish, "They were putting people at risk. That  selfishness  must stop."

And Granholm is not alone in attacking protesters.

CNN’s  Don Lemon  chimed, "You’re slapping the faces of the people . . . who put their lives on the line every day because you want a haircut, you want to go play golf . . . Who the hell do you think you are? Stay at home!"

That wasn't Lemon's only rant.

A few days  earlier , he said that the death of black pastor  Bishop Gerald Glenn  in Virginia, who died of the virus, should be a "lesson" to people who are trying to gather in groups of 10 or more and "those trying to defy authorities."

Bishop Glenn’s apparent sin to Lemon was telling his congregation that "God is larger than the dreaded virus."

ABC’s "The View" co-host  Joy Behar stated that she would like to ask Michigan protesters " . . . if they’re willing to sign away their right to treatment if and when they get infected."

Facebook CEO  Mark Zuckerberg  told ABC’s  George Stephanopoulos  that protests of stay-at-home orders that violate state social distancing rules organized through Facebook’s media were  "harmful misinformation"  and we take that down.”

Which state social distancing rules?

Those saying that license plate numbers would be taken and people would be quarantined if they went to church Easter Sunday as Democratic Kentucky Governor  Andy Beshear  ordered?

Or, as  Judge Andrew P. Napolitano wrote on Newsmax, “questionable constitutionally imposing new standards of behavior that nullify liberty in the name of public safety?”

Granholm, Behar, Lemon, Zuckerberg, and others in the political and media elite who criticize protesters and their message should say what they really mean and call them "deplorables."

And how are these protest-bashers putting the new deplorables in their place and stifling their rights?

Here are just some of their tactics:

—New York Mayor Bill de Blasio urging New Yorkers  to snitch  on social distance violators.

—Police in Elizabeth, N.J. using Chinese produced drones to enforce  social distancing rules  in places where patrol cars can’t easily reach, such as spaces between buildings and back yards.

—San Clemente, California, officials pouring  37 tons of sand  into a Skate Court after skateboarders ignored "no trespassing" signs.

As anxious as protest critics, including the media, are to denigrate and condemn those who disagree with some of the draconian tactics of the shutdown craze, they are even more ready to blame the president — and not the Chinese government — for American deaths caused by the virus.

From their actions, it could be argued that if the current crop of Democratic congressional leaders and their media allies were around in 1941, they would have blamed President Franklin D. Roosevelt for the bombing of Pearl Harbor and not the Japanese.


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XXJefferson51
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1  seeder  XXJefferson51    4 years ago

Granholm, Behar, Lemon, Zuckerberg, and others in the political and media elite who criticize protesters and their message should say what they really mean and call them "deplorables."

And how are these protest-bashers putting the new deplorables in their place and stifling their rights?

Here are just some of their tactics:

—New York Mayor Bill de Blasio urging New Yorkers  to snitch  on social distance violators.

—Police in Elizabeth, N.J. using Chinese produced drones to enforce  social distancing rules  in places where patrol cars can’t easily reach, such as spaces between buildings and back yards.

—San Clemente, California, officials pouring  37 tons of sand  into a Skate Court after skateboarders ignored "no trespassing" signs.

As anxious as protest critics, including the media, are to denigrate and condemn those who disagree with some of the draconian tactics of the shutdown craze, they are even more ready to blame the president — and not the Chinese government — for American deaths caused by the virus. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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1.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1    4 years ago

I’m proud to be a blame Communist China 🇨🇳 first! deplorable!  🇺🇸🦅🗽

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2  seeder  XXJefferson51    4 years ago

....Thousands of protesters gathered at the Wisconsin State Capitol on Friday, seeking to end the stay-at-home order instituted by Democrat Governor Tony Evers.

People are fed up and want to get back to work. Instead, many governors are extending stay-at-home orders, leaving citizens unsure when restrictions will be lifted.

The original stay-at-home order was supposed to end Friday, but last week, Evers extended it to May 26.  Evers’s new extension of stay-at-home orders does make some adjustments, including the opening of golf courses.....   
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Incredible view from @WISN12News News Chopper 12 over Madison this afternoon showing the “stay home” protest against @GovEvers order.

That is a lot of people. Our crew on the ground reports some people are carrying long guns at this protest. @ABC @ABCNewsLive

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Perrie Halpern R.A.
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3  Perrie Halpern R.A.    4 years ago

Locked until seeder has posted a URL

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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4  seeder  XXJefferson51    4 years ago

I’m proud to be a deplorable and to have Biden, Clinton, and Obama think of people like us as such.  

 
 
 
Tacos!
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5  Tacos!    4 years ago
CNN’s  Don Lemon  chimed, "You’re slapping the faces of the people . . . who put their lives on the line every day because you want a haircut, you want to go play golf . . . Who the hell do you think you are? Stay at home!"

What a pretentious, elitist, classist dick.

No Don. Some people - people who don't have multi-million dollar contracts and live paycheck-to-paycheck to put food on the table, buy medicines, make repairs, and so on  need to go back to work. 

A few days  earlier , he said that the death of black pastor  Bishop Gerald Glenn  in Virginia, who died of the virus, should be a "lesson" to people who are trying to gather in groups of 10 or more and "those trying to defy authorities."

Is that how we do science these days? We don't really know how any  specific individual- or at least almost all - becomes infected. Oh, we know generally how it happens, but in most cases, you can't really prove that PersonX got it from a specific source. He might have gotten it at church, or he might have picked it up at the supermarket.

And since we can't go to the park or the beach, it would therefore be reasonable to imagine that he just got it walking down the street, right? Likely? Maybe not. Possible? Apparently.

But this attitude seems to be that all people who resist government restrictions will get the virus because of their shitty attitude and they somehow deserve to get sick. Well, screw Don Lemon and anyone else who thinks like that.

The assumption is that every restriction is absolutely, 100% necessary. That's bullshit. It's not science. It's a guess. Is it working? Who knows? How would you know? We have restrictions up the wazoo, but we still lead the world in infected people, so I have to say I'm not very impressed, so far, with the restrictions.

In fact, medical professionals who are covered head to toe in personal protective equipment still manage to become infected. So it's just arrogant as fuck to go blaming people - shaming people even - for contracting a virus that millions of people have. And I guarantee you not one of them wanted to get it.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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5.2  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Tacos! @5    4 years ago
CNN’s  Don Lemon  chimed, "You’re slapping the faces of the people . . . who put their lives on the line every day because you want a haircut, you want to go play golf . . . Who the hell do you think you are? Stay at home!"
What a pretentious, elitist, classist dick.

Tacos, 

Please explain something to me. When you break social distancing to do these close activities, and you get sick, why should any medical personnel take care of you? Why should they risk their lives because you were not careful with yours? Why is that a pretentious, elitist idea? Because that is what he was saying.

This has nothing to do with Don's income. This has to do with common sense, and no one NEEDS to play golf, or get a hair cut. I would understand if he addressed getting food or going to the doctor, or jobs that require little to no contact with others. 

Why should my daughters risk their lives taking care of some ass that got sick because they had to get a haircut or play golf?

 
 
 
JBB
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5.2.1  JBB  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.2    4 years ago

I get your point butt, do medical professionals get to refuse to treat people who eat too much and get diabetes? Who smoke and get cancer? Who have unprotected sex and get AIDS? Who drive recklessly and get into bad wrecks? No, because it is their job! 

Can doctors or nurses deny care to people because they think they were careless?

It would be contrary to their professional oaths.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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5.2.2  Tacos!  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.2    4 years ago
Why is that a pretentious, elitist idea?

The pretentious elitist idea is his assumption that people mainly want to ease up on the restrictions so they can golf or get their hair done - i.e. activities he has judged as trivial and unnecessary. Because those are the only kinds of things that someone as comfortable as Don Lemon is has to worry about right now. So those are the activities he cites. The only ones.

Has it occurred to you - we can see it hasn't occurred to him - that people who do hair or work at golf courses could really use some of that income? Maybe you or Don would like to set up a fund to support minimum wage golf course workers or hair stylists who barely get by on fees and tips. No?

Am I saying immediately open up all golf courses and hair salons? By no means. I'm not interested in sweeping proclamations for their own sake. We should judge local situations on their own merits. What I am saying is that we should not assume that every impulse to open up society is based on some moral failing like vanity or a childish impulse to run outside and play - in other words, something we should be ashamed of.

This has nothing to do with Don's income.

It has everything to do with it. His inconvenience is measured in leisure and comfort. His situation informs his perceptions because like many people, he assumes that what he thinks and experiences is what everyone else thinks and experiences. For most people, these lockdowns are a much greater burden than it is for him.

Why should my daughters risk their lives taking care of some ass that got sick because they had to get a haircut or play golf?

Is that how we roll now? We judge people to see if they deserve care? So, who does deserve care then? We're closing in on a million Americans confirmed to have this virus (and the real number is probably far higher).

Some of those infected people are very careful all the time and they got sick anyway. Some are careful some of the time. Some are devil-may-care every day. You really want to line them all up and judge them before they get treatment? 

How do you plan to go about that? Did you come up with some scientific process whereby you can tell precisely how every single person was infected? Is there a "good way" to have become infected?

Just because a sick person golfs, that doesn't mean he got sick from the golf course. Just because some sick person got a haircut, that doesn't mean they got the virus at the barber shop. As I pointed out above, several medical experts, covered in personal protective gear, got sick anyway. You have no basis for judging these people and denying them treatment, scientifically, or morally.

You're worried about risk to medical workers? Great. We all are. Many of us are - or have loved ones - in that field.

What do you want to do? Stop treating the sick? Send them to a leper colony? What if we apply this policy of yours to every situation? We won't send cops to respond to emergencies if a person somehow brought any part of their situation on themselves? If you do something dumb in your car or house, we'll tell the fire department they don't have to risk their lives putting your fire out?

I sure hope the doctors, nurses, cops and so on that I run into in my life don't start judging me to see if I deserve help before saving me. What a world!

 
 
 
Split Personality
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5.2.3  Split Personality  replied to  Tacos! @5.2.2    4 years ago

Aren't they all getting $600 a week tax free for 8 weeks?

Why would they go back to full days of work for many hours to make less and have taxes withheld?

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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5.2.4  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.2    4 years ago

On can maintain social distancing while playing golf...

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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5.2.5  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Split Personality @5.2.3    4 years ago

because one can not refuse a job offer and continue to collect UI.  If one was laid off and got that and then because of the restart or the employer getting PPP the person is employed, they lose the 600 a week either because they return to work or because they refused to.  

 
 
 
Tacos!
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5.2.6  Tacos!  replied to  Split Personality @5.2.3    4 years ago

Why, indeed. Maybe it’s not happening like that, after all.

 
 
 
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5.2.8  KDMichigan  replied to  Tacos! @5.2.2    4 years ago
You're worried about risk to medical workers? Great. We all are. Many of us are - or have loved ones - in that field. What do you want to do? Stop treating the sick? Send them to a leper colony? What if we apply this policy of yours to every situation? We won't send cops to respond to emergencies if a person somehow brought any part of their situation on themselves? If you do something dumb in your car or house, we'll tell the fire department they don't have to risk their lives putting your fire out?

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The exact same thing I was thinking. If only life was so grand that we only had to sign up for the good times.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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5.2.9  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  KDMichigan @5.2.8    4 years ago
You're worried about risk to medical workers? Great. We all are. Many of us are - or have loved ones - in that field. What do you want to do? Stop treating the sick?

Oh come on. That is not what any of us are saying. What we are saying is that if you decide to take unnecessary risk, why are our loved ones no matter what field of public service, should have to be burnt from your dumb actions. 

And btw, cops and firemen, etc, signed up for a specific kind of danger. Not a virus. And I know both who are damn pissed when they have to deal with dumbass behavior and have their guys fall ill because of it. That was not part of their job description. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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5.2.10  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  JBB @5.2.1    4 years ago
I get your point butt, do medical professionals get to refuse to treat people who eat too much and get diabetes? Who smoke and get cancer? Who have unprotected sex and get AIDS? Who drive recklessly and get into bad wrecks? No, because it is their job! 

You don't catch those things from your patients, do you? These are not equal. What is, is getting the flu or strep and seeing your doc. Yes these are the accepted risks. 

But when you break an SOE, and get sick, whose fault is that? The dumbass who did that. How fair is that to the person treating them? It's not like we don't all know the risks right now. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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5.2.11  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  JBB @5.2.1    4 years ago
I get your point butt, do medical professionals get to refuse to treat people who eat too much and get diabetes? Who smoke and get cancer? Who have unprotected sex and get AIDS? Who drive recklessly and get into bad wrecks? No, because it is their job! 

Can doctors or nurses deny care to people because they think they were careless?

It would be contrary to their professional oaths.

That is my very point. They don't get to deny care because someone has been a dumbass. Is that fair to them?

 
 
 
Tacos!
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5.2.12  Tacos!  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.2.9    4 years ago
why are our loved ones no matter what field of public service, should have to be burnt from your dumb actions

That's the job. Lots of jobs come with risks like that. One of the risks of being in medicine is that you might be exposed to some disease. One of the risks of being a cop is that you might get shot. One of the risks of being a fireman is that you might get burned or fall. If you're a miner, you might get lung disease. If you fix roads, someone might crash into you. And all of these things can happen because someone wasn't as careful as maybe they could be. That's how it goes.

But we all be more careful couldn't we? Here's an idea: Let's just all stay in our beds for the rest of our lives until we die. Then we can guarantee all the doctors and nurses of the world that we won't spread any viruses they might get. Or can we?

And medical people can get to treat only those people who fell ill through no fault of their own. Proven of course, in a court of law beyond a reasonable doubt and through a double blind study with results published in a peer-reviewed journal. Then - and only then - are you worthy of treatment.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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5.2.13  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Tacos! @5.2.2    4 years ago
Has it occurred to you - we can see it hasn't occurred to him - that people who do hair or work at golf courses could really use some of that income? Maybe you or Don would like to set up a fund to support minimum wage golf course workers or hair stylists who barely get by on fees and tips. No?

OK I don't know what you don't get. We are at war with an invisible enemy. And when you are at war, you don't let your guard down. And yes war hurts. Do you realize that during WWII, people couldn't put food on their tables, too? I realize we are all hurting, but to stop what is working, is to let the enemy win.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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5.2.14  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Tacos! @5.2.12    4 years ago

Let's get something straight. Not everyone in the medical community who stepped up are people who would normally be exposed to this, so don't give me that they owe it, because they don't. They do it out of compassion for people who had no choice. 

So what are you supposed to do? Don't give me this either/or " Let's just all stay in our beds for the rest of our lives until we die." thing. It total bull. What you are supposed to do is follow what is safe to follow, and if you happen to fall sick, you will be cared for. Don't do dumb things. No one has died from not working out and people with heart attacks shouldn't be afraid to go into a hospital because they may get covid or die alone because of over crowded hospitals. You would think that this is common sense, but I guess that went out the window along the way, too. 

 
 
 
Tacos!
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5.2.15  Tacos!  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.2.13    4 years ago
We are at war with an invisible enemy.

Indeed. What does victory look like? Is it zero infections? Are you waiting for Coronavirus to surrender or shoot itself in some bunker? Because we will be waiting forever on that one.

to stop what is working

What's "working?" How do you know what is working? The "experts" are guessing. They tell you 1 million people are infected, but the number is probably closer to 50 million (see the most recent studies). Give it another couple of weeks and we'll have kicked this thing just through herd immunity.

What's working looked at another way? According to the numbers, the US has the most cases and the most dead. Does that sound like working?

But why hate on the golfers? You think all those people got sick on the golf course? Do you seriously think anyone got infected on a golf course? Think about how golf works and how the virus is supposed to work. You're out in the open, usually apart from other people. You're probably in the sun, which we were just told a couple days ago kills the virus fairly quickly. Seems like it would be harder to pick it up there than somewhere else.

Why are beaches closed? Do most people snuggle up next to strangers at the beach? What is the point?

The experts are also lying to us. They told us for weeks we didn't need to wear masks when we went out. That was only because they were worried about supply. It had nothing to do with sound advice for limiting the spread of disease.

Suddenly, they are not only recommending masks, but they are actually required in many places. Do you think they just recently discovered the efficacy of masks? What is the single distinguishing feature of East Asian populations where they have lower rates of infection? I'll tell you. Everybody and his brother is wearing a mask. They know. They have always known.

But we are all supposed to just obediently go along with everything an expert or a politician tells us to do? Why? Look at their track record. Not only are they wrong - a lot - but their expert advice may well change tomorrow.

I see nothing wrong with a little push-back and I don't think we should assume the worst in people just because they want to get back to their regular life as much as possible.

 
 
 
Raven Wing
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5.2.16  Raven Wing  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.2.14    4 years ago
You would think that this is common sense, but I guess that went out the window along the way, too. 

And some it seems never had any to start with.

What I hate to see is this "They owe me" mentality about the medical health and care givers. They don't OWE anyone Jack! They do it because that is the kind of person they are in their hearts and souls. Like our men and women in uniform, they take an oath to serve the people, but, not because they OWE them anything. 

They train for several years to acquire the knowledge it takes to become professionals at their chosen work. Those who think that they are OWED a person deliberately putting their own life on the line for others are the lowest rung on the human ladder, IMHO.

The same goes for the men and women in uniform who put their own life on the line to fight for out country, and take the chance of losing their life to save others. They don't OWE anyone their life, but, they are willing to put their own life on the line for their country and to save others.

 
 
 
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5.2.17  Snuffy  replied to  Split Personality @5.2.3    4 years ago
Aren't they all getting $600 a week tax free for 8 weeks? Why would they go back to full days of work for many hours to make less and have taxes withheld?

That assumes their application for unemployment has actually been processed and they have started to receive the money. I can't speak for every state but in my state the number of unprocessed applications is very high because the system was not designed to handle the current workload.  When a state is normally processing 4-5 thousand applications a week and all of the sudden they get a half million applications,  what are they to do?  The system becomes part of the problem.

We've heard for years that there is a large percentage of the population who cannot afford an unexpected $400 bill. I would submit that many of those people are in this fix and even if their application is being processed they are already behind the eight ball as far as keeping bills paid,  rent paid and food on the table. So they continue to borrow from their future.  And if they don't know where their application currently is in the process, because it's very difficult to get a phone call in due to the volumn,  then they may have reached the point where they are looking for any life line at all.  One such lifeline is going back to work.  They may be looking at the math and making a simple calculation because they don't see any other option. They know if they don't get money coming in they won't be able to pay rent or buy food, if they go back to work they are at more risk for catching the virus but when you look at the current numbers it's 962k people infected as per the official count which is only .3% of the US population. For a lot of people it may be that simple of a calculation.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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5.2.18  Split Personality  replied to  Snuffy @5.2.17    4 years ago

One of my adult children lives in Florida and is experiencing all of that.

She just found out Friday that they are only going to offer her 275 a week?

She has a decent regular job and works part time at a clothing outlet, did not receive a stimulus check yet

either.

By the time she gets her first check from FL she expects to be back to her main job, but who knows - it's a string of dental offices franchises.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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5.2.19  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Tacos! @5.2.15    4 years ago
Indeed. What does victory look like?

It looks like a normal rate of infection, or maybe none at all, like with smallpox or polio. Maybe you remember what they used to do with those diseases? Social distancing. 

What's "working?" How do you know what is working? The "experts" are guessing. They tell you 1 million people are infected, but the number is probably closer to 50 million (see the most recent studies). Give it another couple of weeks and we'll have kicked this thing just through herd immunity.

We know it is working because before we used social distancing the curve was going up and afterward it came down. This is not rocket science. And there is no way to know that the infection rate is somewhere around 50 million. You are guessing. Without widespread testing, which we do not have, there is no way to know, if we just nipped this at the bud, or are developing herd immunity, and btw according to Johns Hopkins:

When most of a population is immune to an infectious disease, this provides indirect protection—or herd immunity (also called herd protection)—to those who are not immune to the disease. For example, if 80% of a population is immune to a virus, four out of every five people who encounter someone with the disease won’t get sick (and won’t spread the disease any further). In this way, the spread of infectious diseases is kept under control. Depending how contagious an infection is, usually 70% to 90% of a population needs immunity to achieve herd immunity.

Btw, this is a highly contagious disease. That has been established. And to achieve those numbers, with the US population at 360,000,000 that would mean at a min. we would have to have 252 million people exposed and we are nowhere near that, since almost all our rural areas are still unaffected mostly.

But why hate on the golfers?

That whole part does not deserve an answer. 

The experts are also lying to us.

They didn't lie. They were learning and in the past healthy people didn't need a mask. With the longevity of this virus we do. Why assume they lied when they were still on the learning curve?

Do you think they just recently discovered the efficacy of masks?

Here in the western world, yes. Their populations are far more dense than ours are in the cities, and really, even there, it only provided limited protection. 

But we are all supposed to just obediently go along with everything an expert or a politician tells us to do?

Doctors in virology, yes. Politicians no, unless they were told by a qualified doctor what works. 

I see nothing wrong with a little push-back and I don't think we should assume the worst in people just because they want to get back to their regular life as much as possible.

Do you actually think any of us, including the governors like this or want this? If so, I am speechless. We are at war. Just because you don't see it, doesn't mean it isn't going around. 

Btw.. no one believed Columbus that the earth was round because they couldn't see it. Those people were called flat earthers. Is the earth round?

 
 
 
Tacos!
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5.2.20  Tacos!  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.2.14    4 years ago
They do it out of compassion for people who had no choice.

Apparently compassion is only reserved for certain people.

What you are supposed to do is follow what is safe to follow

And how do you know what is "safe?" Back in January, there was no evidence the virus was transmitted from person to person. In places where people aren't overwhelmed with infections and their hospitals aren't overwhelmed - which is actually most of the country - I see no reason why they can't open things up a little.

No one has died from not working out

So far as we know, no one has died from golfing either.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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5.2.21  Tacos!  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.2.19    4 years ago
We know it is working because before we used social distancing the curve was going up and afterward it came down.

That would have happened even without any social distancing at all. The curve would just be a different shape. In theory. Of course, that theory could be dead wrong.

And there is no way to know that the infection rate is somewhere around 50 million. You are guessing.

It's an educated guess, though. Experts have always said the real number of infected people was greater than the confirmed number. And recent tests of random populations have shown that the number of infected people could be 50 to 85 times what the confirmed number is. You don't get to claim everything you're doing is good science or smart medicine and just ignore those numbers.

since almost all our rural areas are still unaffected mostly.

Then they should be allowed to conduct business as usual.

That whole part does not deserve an answer.

This whole discussion was based on Don Lemon attacking people who want to golf. He is hating on golfers. And you're supporting his approach. So I think it does deserve an answer.

They were learning and in the past healthy people didn't need a mask. With the longevity of this virus we do. 

No no no. I'm sorry. You have bought into their bullshit. 

They have known for a long time that people could be infected, contagious, and not show symptoms. They literally told us they were discouraging mask usage to keep the supplies available for nurses and doctors.

Why would doctors and nurses need them? They aren't sick, right? I thought "healthy people" didn't need to wear masks. 

Why assume they lied when they were still on the learning curve?

They have no excuse for being on the learning curve with this. Experts in China, Japan, Singapore, Taiwan, and Korea and have been telling people to wear masks for years, and no surprise, those countries have done very well in the pandemic. 

Regular people saw the logic of this and bought up the masks.

it only provided limited protection

So it has to be all-or-nothing? There's no consistency to this. People wanted to wear masks and it was discouraged - so more people got sick than needed to. How many thousands? On the other hand, people in places with little or no infection want to have a normal day and it's discouraged because some small handful of people might get sick - someday . . . maybe. For some reason, that risk is unacceptable, but telling millions of people they shouldn't wear face masks - even when you can see it working somewhere else - was a good idea?

Government experts can say anything they want and we're supposed to follow it blindly. I don't see why.

Doctors in virology

1) They make mistakes. They're human, not infallible. 2) They also have agendas. Sometimes it political and sometimes it's professional. Like telling people not to wear masks - not because it's smart for the people, but because it protects the supply for doctors.

Is the earth round?

Wow. I don't think we should be disrespectful to people who want to go back to work, and that makes me a flat Earther? 

Actually you should compare our approaches. I demand scientific reasons for the actions we are supposed to take and I demand that we reassess what is appropriate as conditions change and new data comes in.

On the other hand, you want to go on blind faith, trusting in someone's degree and the support they have from the right politicians. You'll support a thing just because "the doctor said so."

If they do it different in Japan, your response is that it only works for them because their cities are different (that sounds like a made up reason). It doesn't matter that it works. If our scientists say different, it must be so.

 
 
 
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5.2.24  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to    4 years ago

This is why we can be proud to be deplorables.  

 
 
 
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6  seeder  XXJefferson51    4 years ago

It will be interesting as a deplorable in a blue state to see how blue state governors respond to red persuasion individuals who protest and red counties and cities who act on their own in contravention of their orders.  People protested in Sacramento without permits and Orange County beaches tomorrow will be interesting to watch.  Also, will state police go up to Alturas, Ca to stop it from reopening?  

 
 

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