Wall Street Journal: Economic Lockdown Is the 'Catastrophe'

  
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By:   Eric Mack

Wall Street Journal: Economic Lockdown Is the 'Catastrophe'
"Well, after Friday's horrific jobs report, how do you like the shutdown now?" the Journal wrote. "The people who said we have to sacrifice the economy to crush the virus have succeeded in the former even as the virus will be with us for many more months or longer."

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The Wall St. Journal is right.  We need to get the economy revived now!  If we wait too long it may never fully recover.  It’s all about policy now.  Deregulation, tax cutting, infrastructure, and reviving energy, agriculture, tourism.  The fact is at this point that keeping the economy closed down will cause far more economic damage than the virus can cause at this point.  


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Those saying we had to sacrifice the economy to save lives have succeeded in only the former,  The Wall Street Journal writes  in a scathing rebuke of lockdowns at all costs amid the global coronavirus pandemic.

"The tradeoff isn't between lives and livelihoods,"  the Journal  editorial board concluded. "The policy goal has to be to protect both as much as possible.

"Deploy more personal protective equipment, greatly increase testing, build surge capability to handle flare-ups, and isolate society's most vulnerable to keep hospitals from getting overwhelmed.

"But for heaven's sake reopen the economy so we don't consign millions to years of poverty."

The op-ed was in response to those denouncing a past call back on March 19, " Rethinking the Coronavirus Shutdown ," when the shutdowns were only beginning.

"Well, after Friday's horrific jobs report, how do you like the shutdown now?" the Journal wrote. "The people who said we have to sacrifice the economy to crush the virus have succeeded in the former even as the virus will be with us for many more months or longer."

April's unemployment rate showed 14.7% of Americans out of work, the highest rate in record U.S. history, until 6.4 million workers were added to the unemployment line.

"Much of the media continue to treat the economic destruction as a sideshow and present a false choice between saving lives and jobs," the board wrote. "But this is the fastest jobs collapse in modern history. The Great Depression drove millions of Americans into poverty and caused many suicides, and there's a substantial risk this could happen again."

And, most notably, even hospitals are cutting essential frontline workers, as elective surgeries have put healthcare facilities on life support.

"Congress has appropriated $175 billion to shore up hospitals, but this won't help small physician practices much," the board wrote. "Many healthcare providers warn they may not survive if their privately insured patients lose jobs and sign up for Medicaid, which doesn't cover their costs."

The board even rebuked Democrats' plan to keep paying Americans' unemployment indefinitely, until a vaccine that may or may not come.

"The crowd that demands the economy remain locked-down until there's a vaccine, miracle therapy or daily testing of everyone in the country seem to think the government can replace the private economy," the board wrote. "That's a fantasy, and they are betraying the very low- and middle-income workers they claim to represent. Average wages in April rose sharply because so many low-income workers were laid off."

The Journal went as far as sharing President Donald Trump's mantra, "Americans need to work to make a living, and they want to work," even amid the desire to "blame President Trump for the economic pain."

"It is important to stress that the strict lockdowns were a government policy choice," the board wrote. "But the damage is done, and our focus isn't on recriminations. The issue is what to do now, and the public is wise enough to know that public health can't be sustained without a healthy economy.

"Americans can see the destruction all around them. They know the virus will be with us for a long time unless there's a vaccine, so we have to learn to live with it and have a functioning economy."


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MAGA
1  seeder  MAGA    3 months ago

"Much of the media continue to treat the economic destruction as a sideshow and present a false choice between saving lives and jobs," the board wrote. "But this is the fastest jobs collapse in modern history. The Great Depression drove millions of Americans into poverty and caused many suicides, and there's a substantial risk this could happen again."

And, most notably, even hospitals are cutting essential frontline workers, as elective surgeries have put healthcare facilities on life support.

"Congress has appropriated $175 billion to shore up hospitals, but this won't help small physician practices much," the board wrote. "Many healthcare providers warn they may not survive if their privately insured patients lose jobs and sign up for Medicaid, which doesn't cover their costs."

The board even rebuked Democrats' plan to keep paying Americans' unemployment indefinitely, until a vaccine that may or may not come.

"The crowd that demands the economy remain locked-down until there's a vaccine, miracle therapy or daily testing of everyone in the country seem to think the government can replace the private economy," the board wrote. "That's a fantasy, and they are betraying the very low- and middle-income workers they claim to represent. Average wages in April rose sharply because so many low-income workers were laid off."

The Journal went as far as sharing President Donald Trump's mantra, "Americans need to work to make a living, and they want to work," even amid the desire to "blame President Trump for the economic pain."

"It is important to stress that the strict lockdowns were a government policy choice," the board wrote. "But the damage is done, and our focus isn't on recriminations. The issue is what to do now, and the public is wise enough to know that public health can't be sustained without a healthy economy.   https://thenewstalkers.com/vic-eldred/group_discuss/8349/wall-street-journal-economic-lockdown-is-the-catastrophe

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
2  The Magic Eight Ball    3 months ago

the left wanted to destroy our economy and blame trump

epic failure

if blue states want to stay blue? they had better get it in gear

cheers  :)

 
 
 
CB
2.1  CB   replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @2    3 months ago

Funny you could concern yourself with blue state's political well-being. As it seems your "John Wayne" president in the White House is so distraught and paranoid that the virus is in the White House, he wants testing there done daily. Then, laughably, he states that testing can't work if you can not have the virus one day, but get it the next day—he still orders the testings! For himself and everybody who comes near him!

Trump new shtick is calling everybody in the fight against the virus, "warriors." Warriors. He won't properly outfit the warriors. He won't mandate their proper equipment. He won't order or fund strategic testing of communities throughout the country. He won't help bury the dead.

Trump even shut down the CDC Daily Briefings when it was made clear to him that the media did not intend to kiss his big fat 'fanny' just for something to do in Washington, D.C.

Trump is a coward. He wants other people to work with insufficient virus protection outer and inner wear; he won't supply N95 or see that a greater degree of masking is brought into being; He don't want the nation to know where the virus is patterning itself to travel into a community next; he has no space in his empty head to give a damn about the newly infested, sick, dying, and freezer dead from this virus.

Trump is a coward who wants everybody to forget themselves and go back to work, while he stays crumbled and folded up in his safe-zone indulging in coronavirus testing for himself, his wife, and son. What a coward! Hiding in the folds of the nurses' skirts and pants.

 
 
 
MAGA
2.1.1  seeder  MAGA  replied to  CB @2.1    3 months ago

Democratic governors of states like New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania and Illinois are creating an "untenable situation" by being slow to lift lockdowns instituted to counter  coronavirus .

"We don’t think more people will die because of the lockdown versus exposure to the virus," Hanson said, mimicking the thought process of some Democratic governors, "We have to be absolutely certain that nobody gets the virus and dies."

As a result, he said, residents of those states are prevented from paying into the system with tax money, which is needed to fund entitlement programs.   "We have soaring welfare costs and we have soaring entitlement costs because people are locked in at home, Hanson said. "But we want other people to go out in the red states, and we want to criticize you for being reckless, but your people are going to have to provide the labor and the services and the capital to create wealth and give it to the federal government, so it can turn it around and give it to us and bail us out while we sit at home and suggest that we are your moral superiors.

"That is an untenable situation."

Hanson said the entire dynamic is "incoherent" because people cannot "stay at home" and yet demand the government print money to "run entitlements while we are not working."

"[T]hat money has got to come from somewhere," he said, "and it’s going to come from the places that are actually risking and going out and working and providing it."  https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxnews.com/media/victor-davis-hanson-lockdowns-america-untenable-situation.amp

 
 
 
CB
2.1.2  CB   replied to  MAGA @2.1.1    3 months ago

Tell Hanson to just shut up. He sounds unremarkable and stupid. Let the seriously sincere people fix these crises. Chumps are not welcome with their negativity.

 
 
 
Thomas
2.1.3  Thomas  replied to  MAGA @2.1.1    3 months ago
Democratic governors of states like New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania and Illinois are creating an "untenable situation" by being slow to lift lockdowns instituted to counter    coronavirus  .

March your ass right over to New York City and take a walk downtown. Kiss a couple people on the way if you feel that coronavirus is contained and they are ready to open. You sit out in your little fuckin house in nowhere California and take potshots at people who actually have to deal with the real shit. You have swallowed all of the poisonous tripe of the hyper capitalist " I need all the money I can get no matter who or what I have to destroy because it is all about ME ME ME ME" 

 
 
 
MAGA
2.1.4  seeder  MAGA  replied to  CB @2.1.2    3 months ago

Hanson is right on and as a rural California farmer and Stanford university fellow he’s anything but stupid.  He’s got it right about how blue areas are going to demand money from red areas to pay for their welfare because we are working and they are not.  

 
 
 
MAGA
2.1.5  seeder  MAGA  replied to  CB @2.1.2    3 months ago

He and we on his side are not the negative ones here.  That describes the pro lockdown side.  

 
 
 
MAGA
2.1.6  seeder  MAGA  replied to  Thomas @2.1.3    3 months ago

I never once said that any one urban center afflicted by the virus should throw precautions to the wind.  I simply say that they should not hold the rest of us hostage and lock us all up until their specific situation is resolved.  Nor should they try to guilt trip the rest of us nor do badly hit into sharing their pain with them.  

 
 
 
katrix
2.1.7  katrix  replied to  MAGA @2.1.6    3 months ago

Heaven help you if you had to actually share anyone else's pain. And you call yourself a Christian. 

 
 
 
CB
2.1.8  CB   replied to  MAGA @2.1.5    3 months ago

There is no "pro-lockdown" side. There is only us. Trump conservatives desire combat and for it you require an enemy to demonize.

Satan, the Lord rebukes you!

This nation is undivided working together in all matters and extremes.

 
 
 
katrix
2.1.9  katrix  replied to  MAGA @2.1.6    3 months ago

Asking you to wear a mask so you don't infect others in case you're asymptomatic is such a hardship for someone who claims to value life.

Jesus is shaking his head at you. This is not what he taught you. 

 
 
 
CB
2.1.10  CB   replied to  MAGA @2.1.6    3 months ago

You have exposed the shame of fundamentalism: It's lack of compassion and understanding.

 
 
 
CB
2.1.11  CB   replied to  katrix @2.1.9    3 months ago

Asymptomatics! The other 'shoe' no one is writing about. Thank you for bringing it in!

 
 
 
MAGA
2.1.12  seeder  MAGA  replied to  katrix @2.1.7    3 months ago

We’ve all been sharing pain since mid March.  It’s time for the urban control freaks and their blue mayors and governors to let us go.  

 
 
 
MAGA
2.1.13  seeder  MAGA  replied to  CB @2.1.8    3 months ago

If we weren’t divided them those who wanted to stay in lockdown would and those who want to reopen the economy would all do as we see fit. The division comes from those who don’t want to reopen yet attempting to control those who do and to use the power of government to lock us up if we don’t bend over to their will.  

 
 
 
MAGA
2.1.14  seeder  MAGA  replied to  CB @2.1.10    3 months ago

This is not a religious issue.  

 
 
 
CB
2.1.15  CB   replied to  MAGA @2.1.12    3 months ago

Okay. This is waaay too much to accept without 'taking the top off!'

 
 
 
CB
2.1.16  CB   replied to  MAGA @2.1.13    3 months ago

Well, you could run for office and put some teeth where you are trying to make your bite! Toothless resounding.

 
 
 
CB
2.1.17  CB   replied to  MAGA @2.1.14    3 months ago

Okay, there are no rights and wrongs then. Your moralizing is hereby wasted on us. Catch as catch can. Live for today for tomorrow we might die! Our conduct is as necessary and equally valid as yours—no matter the consequences. But you don't really want or intend to let anybody (else) live like they have only today: Do you? 

 
 
 
MAGA
2.1.18  seeder  MAGA  replied to  CB @2.1.2    3 months ago

Why be so condescending toward all who presume to dare to disagree with you?  Why be so adamant about stalling out the economy and forcing so many tens of millions to suffer?  

 
 
 
MAGA
2.1.19  seeder  MAGA  replied to  CB @2.1.8    3 months ago

your side has been demonizing us since we started the reopen America protests in Michigan showing their governor to be a fascist dictator witch and mocked the ice cream princess for holding working class employees and small businesses hostage for federal pork for her rich friends. 

 
 
 
MAGA
2.1.20  seeder  MAGA  replied to  CB @2.1.17    3 months ago

Im not the one trying to control the actions of others in their areas nor am I the one resorting to guilt to try to get my opponents to change their minds.  

 
 
 
CB
2.1.21  CB   replied to  MAGA @2.1.18    3 months ago

Let's cut the BS routine. We can all tell the truth to the best of our abilities (and shame the Devil), or we can all pull a P. T. Barnum's "There is a sucker born every minute." With expectations of having our own cache of fools and believers. 

President Donald Trump shut down the Coronavirus Task Force presentations because he was personally offended his 'talks' to the public were not taking. Indeed, those "presentations" illustrated his narcissistic personality disorder in full relief! Now Trump is starting and starring in a new "production."

'Trump & Making the Economy Great Again.' Or, some such imagining. Without missing a beat, Trump conservatives flip the script and are all in on the unfeeling movement to ignore the germ permeating the land-while you talk up returning to work blind, a little less cognizant, and disrespectful of the sick, dead, and dying—they may as well be 'fodder' in the Trump theater of all smiles from the big guy all the time.

Bullshit. I call Bullshit! Trump conservatives jumping to the forefront trying to capitalize on the pains of families and achievements in medical research by creating a new alternative 'state of affairs' is utter bullshit. You will not be respected. In fact, you will be treated with rank dishonor!

This nation does need to get back to work. Yes it does and it will. However, the virus must be treated with a type of respect until it can be eradicated and stamped down and out. We can do both things: Respect the work and workers and eradicate the virus, respectively.

 
 
 
CB
2.1.22  CB   replied to  MAGA @2.1.19    3 months ago

A rant?

 
 
 
CB
2.1.23  CB   replied to  MAGA @2.1.20    3 months ago

Now you are just throwing out words. If you have no moral compass; be advised to stop moralizing. Expect nothing of anybody at all. Fight just for the sake of fighting.

 
 
 
MAGA
2.1.24  seeder  MAGA  replied to  CB @2.1.22    3 months ago

The pure and simple truth 

 
 
 
MAGA
2.1.25  seeder  MAGA  replied to  CB @2.1.23    3 months ago

that is the definition of the urban left.  No moral compass and fight us because they want to control us.  It’s not that they say we will live and do it our way while you all are free to live and try it your way.  It’s all about control and guilt for them.  We have to subject ourselves to their vision of doing things our they will fight us every step of the way and resort to guilt and raw power if they can to coerce us into doing it their way.  

 
 
 
CB
2.1.26  CB   replied to  MAGA @2.1.24    3 months ago

A rant.

 
 
 
CB
2.1.27  CB   replied to  MAGA @2.1.25    3 months ago

Pretend you're not projecting, right now. Then try compromise. It can change your perspective and your worldview. We should want what is best for everybody as often as we can. It is the sure way to advance the country ahead, and not just keep spinning pass each other.

 
 
 
MAGA
2.1.28  seeder  MAGA  replied to  CB @2.1.27    3 months ago

The compromise is that areas that want to stay on lock down continue to do so and the areas that want to re open and restart the economy be able to do so.  I have no problem with that. The issue is not us trying to force people to re open.  The issue is blue state governors forcing their less affected areas to abide by whatever the conditions are in their most affected areas.  We will rebel against that.  Let our people go! Back to work.  

 
 
 
CB
2.1.29  CB   replied to  MAGA @2.1.28    3 months ago
The issue is blue state governors forcing their less affected areas to abide by whatever the conditions are in their most affected areas.  We will rebel against that.  Let our people go! Back to work.

Cut the crap. If you're in a blue state, your "our" people are under the care of a democratic governor-and you can't keep DEMANDING to split your 'share' of the baby from the whole baby. Because when/if baby gets ill it will be a democratic governor's problem without a doubt. Is that what you meant?

I have little patience with engaging in doubletalk.

 
 
 
MAGA
2.1.30  seeder  MAGA  replied to  CB @2.1.29    3 months ago

Then we will appeal to the federal government and the AG in court and to the executive power to release areas county by county rather than state by state.  We in rural California will not be held hostage to being released when SF and LA are good and ready to.  It’s not like the urban areas don’t have problems of their own and we already know that they can’t really police us if we defy.  Sending people from other parts of the state to police us to coerce us to stay shut down only risks really spreading the virus around.  

 
 
 
CB
2.1.31  CB   replied to  MAGA @2.1.30    3 months ago

Glad to see you have a thought out plan to follow. Good luck with that. BTW, have you heard of domestic emergencies and California National Guard? Just saying. You went there-leaving me no choice.

This will be moot anyway. The State of California is coming out of lock-down. Of course, you have your tea-pot brew of 'troubles' to keep stirring.

 
 
 
MAGA
2.1.32  seeder  MAGA  replied to  CB @2.1.31    3 months ago

You think the President would allow the a state to call out the guard to restrict the rights of of its citizens?  He would likely nationalize them to prevent that from happening.  Plus it would be risking transporting the virus from parts of the state it’s heavy to parts where it barely exists.  

 
 
 
CB
2.1.33  CB   replied to  MAGA @2.1.32    3 months ago

Try it then. This is all about politics anyway for the Right. Y'all push everything while crying victim-hood. Try it, then.

 
 
 
MAGA
2.1.34  seeder  MAGA  replied to  CB @2.1.33    3 months ago

No need to.  We’ve certified to move to stage 3 from 2 as of yesterday.  Our county has decided to push the envelope within the system rather than outright resist it.  Besides even if he closed the local or state parks around here of which there are many there are plenty of federal forest and a national park we can escape to.  We aren’t the ones trying to force areas wanting to extend their lockdowns to open up against their will.  

 
 
 
MAGA
2.2  seeder  MAGA  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @2    3 months ago

They are about to drive Tesla out of California to Texas over the re opening issue.  

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
2.2.1  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  MAGA @2.2    3 months ago

blue states reaction to this virus is going to bite them in the ass economically and politically for yrs to come.

tesla leaving is just the "noticeable" business bailing out of a blue state.   countless others will leave unnoticed.

besides the virus related stuff, no state income tax is a no brainer.... LOL

 
 
 
MAGA
2.2.2  seeder  MAGA  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @2.2.1    3 months ago

People in the urban coastal areas of my state it seems will never learn.  

 
 
 
MAGA
2.2.3  seeder  MAGA  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @2.2.1    3 months ago

Tesla re opened their plant and is ignoring the county person who ordered them to re close.  Local police and county sheriff so far not enforcing the shutdown order.  If closed it would be the only auto factory in America that would be closed.  All the foreign named American car factories are now re opened.  

 
 
 
CB
3  CB     3 months ago

The moral of the story is this: People who live in glass houses should not litter the area around their walk with rocks, stones, and boulders. This virus could not give a damn about the White House, Donald Trump, conservatism, liberalism, grannies, grandpas, or arm babies. It simply demonstrates that somebody-somewhere will deal with it directly one day-one way or another.

So yes, let's get back to work fixing problems together and not dividing people into parcels of flesh to be demonized and cast down. Until then, God is likely serving up some swift justice to a president and his white house by rendering him null and void. I don't know. It could be just as a I wrote.

 
 
 
Thomas
4  Thomas    3 months ago

From the article:

"Well, after Friday's horrific jobs report, how do you like the shutdown now?" the Journal wrote. "The people who said we have to sacrifice the economy to crush the virus have succeeded in the former even as the virus will be with us for many more months or longer."

This comment displays ignorance on the part of the writer. The shutdown was to keep the hospitals and healthcare systems from being overloaded. When you flatten a curve, assuming the relevant actors, the volume under the curve, remain the same, you necessarily lengthen its duration.  Now that we have passed the initial onslaught, we do have a long slog ahead of us. Bitching about it won't make it better.

"Deploy more personal protective equipment, greatly increase testing, build surge capability to handle flare-ups, and isolate society's most vulnerable to keep hospitals from getting overwhelmed.

That is what governments et.al. have been trying to do for two months. The initial lack of testing bit us in the ass and we had to work blind. That is why everything had to shut down. The country is reopening. 

 
 
 
JBB
4.1  JBB  replied to  Thomas @4    3 months ago

This is a crank at NewsMax's take on a WSJ article.

 
 
 
MAGA
4.1.1  seeder  MAGA  replied to  JBB @4.1    3 months ago

It’s a NewsMax news article about the WSJ opinion that is so right on.  Isn’t it awesome that viewpoints opposite of yours get to be expressed freely in this exceptional nation?

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
4.2  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  Thomas @4    3 months ago
The shutdown was to keep the hospitals and healthcare systems from being overloaded

. that argument looks good on paper, but in the real world?   complete bs.

 every hospital in my city was nearly vacant with medical people getting laid off.  

in corpus christi, tx

population 325,733 as of 2016

129 confirmed cases of which 39 were hospitalized in  5 huge hospitals.

 3 deaths

7 people currently in hospital with 3 of those in ICU

is that overloaded?  not even a chance.

we are not going to suicide our economies because a few people might die.

 
 
 
CB
4.2.1  CB   replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @4.2    3 months ago

Corpus Christi, Texas is part of a 'universal' response to a world-wide pandemic. You can't run your happy — out and talk about how small and good things are faring now without recognizing the hard work of sending people home to take stock of their lives and the situation- the collective (as a whole) was set to face.

Social distancing worked to slow the spread in as many states and territories that participated in the step. You can not prove quantities of 'survivors' by what did not happen.

 
 
 
Thomas
4.2.2  Thomas  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @4.2    3 months ago

No, it is not complete bs. In the beginning of this, we did not know how far the virus had spread because we had absolutely no testing. As a result, we could not track it, we could not isolate the people who had it, we could not trace the contacts of the people who had it.  So we shut everything down except those services which were deemed (for whatever reason) to be necessary.

If we weren't such boors, so rigidly bound by the concept of capitalism, so unimaginative in our responses, we would not be thinking that by suspending commerce in the face of a pandemic we were killing the economy. That is for people who have swalloed the belief that for every action that they do, they must be compesated in some way. That is the true bs.

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
4.2.3  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  CB @4.2.1    3 months ago
You can not prove quantities of 'survivors' by what did not happen.

sure social distancing helped... it would against any virus.

keeping seniors at home was also a good idea

but you can't prove closing our business' helped either.

https://www.npr.org/2020/04/26/845211085/stockholm-expected-to-reach-herd-immunity-in-may-swedish-ambassador-says

 
 
 
CB
4.2.4  CB   replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @4.2.3    3 months ago

Businesses are now re-opening with social distancing as one in a series of requirements which was not the case. It was not done before, it will be done after. There is evidence of itself "working," "on the job," and "hired."

 
 
 
Kavika
4.2.5  Kavika   replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @4.2.3    3 months ago

Seems that there has been a huge change in Sweden since the Ambassador made that comment. 

SWEDEN'S CORONAVIRUS DEATH TOLL 'HORRIFYING' SAYS SCIENTIST BEHIND COUNTRY'S ANTI-LOCKDOWN STRATEGY

https://www.newsweek.com/sweden-coronavirus-deaths-children-lockdown-1502548

Oh, their death toll per million is much higher then the US and the GDP is projected to be worse than the countries surrounding them. 

Their death rate is 12.34%

Cheers.

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
4.2.6  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  CB @4.2.4    3 months ago
Businesses are now re-opening with social distancing

yes they are... we have no problem with that.

keeping people's business closed any longer or until we find some cure?   stupid

 
 
 
Thomas
4.2.7  Thomas  replied to  Kavika @4.2.5    3 months ago

That is horrible. Just horrible. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
4.2.8  TᵢG  replied to  Kavika @4.2.5    3 months ago

This is a nasty, mutating, contagious virus with no known cure.   I must wonder about their sauna activities and the effects that might have on the spread.

 
 
 
Kavika
4.2.9  Kavika   replied to  TᵢG @4.2.8    3 months ago

I believe that sauna activities could be responsible for some of the increase. 

It seems that they are learning a very hard lesson.

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
4.2.10  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  Kavika @4.2.5    3 months ago
Their death rate is 12.34%

check the math. perhaps that number is associated with people infected?

sweden has 10 million people

if only ten percent of the people died?     that is one million people dead / which is not even near the case.


sweden?  has had 311 deaths per million people,      

the usa? locked down        has had 235 deaths per million people.    

the UK?       also locked down.        deaths per million?    about 470 per million 

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/

5 countries all of which "locked down"  their people have higher death rates per million than sweden

obviously some other factors are at play.

cheers :)

          

 
 
 
Thomas
4.2.11  Thomas  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @4.2.10    3 months ago

Yet you cannot with any surety state that Sweden's death toll would not be lower if they had taken stronger measures.   Your link does not provide that much encouragement, because Sweden has the seventh highest death rate per million out of 140 countries.

 
 
 
MAGA
4.2.12  seeder  MAGA  replied to  CB @4.2.1    3 months ago

Every state and territory took precautions and social distancing 

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
4.2.13  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  Thomas @4.2.11    3 months ago
Yet you cannot with any surety state that Sweden's death toll would not be lower if they had taken stronger measures.

 

  it can be proven 5 countries which took stronger measures have higher death rates than sweden.

so as I stated above.... other factors must be at play. 

 
 
 
CB
4.2.14  CB   replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @4.2.6    3 months ago

I am not going to dither with you Magic Eight Ball. Businesses did not social distance before this outbreak because their was no outbreak. However, there will be a "new normal" involving much that I need not detail here. You know it, and it does not need or deserve excess talk about it. Nobody mentioned an extreme of an indefinite national business shutdown. Governors want to govern. And democratic party governors are not now or ever will be beholden to Trump's agenda. Besides Trump takes their good and spit it back in their faces and what democrat is going to abide with that?

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
4.2.15  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @4.2.13    3 months ago
it can be proven 5 countries which took stronger measures have higher death rates than sweden.

interestingly.....

belgium, which locked down their people and is top of the list at 746 deaths per million.   is also lifting their lockdown.

https://www.politico.eu/article/belgium-lifts-its-lockdown-what-is-allowed-and-when/

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
4.2.16  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  CB @4.2.14    3 months ago
I am not going to dither with you

then why do you reply and continue to dither?

move along.

 

 
 
 
CB
4.2.17  CB   replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @4.2.16    3 months ago

Done!

 
 
 
MAGA
4.2.18  seeder  MAGA  replied to  CB @4.2.17    3 months ago

🙏😇

 
 
 
Kavika
4.2.19  Kavika   replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @4.2.10    3 months ago

The death rate is the number that has died as a percent of those that have contacted the disease.

And that number is 12.4% 

According to your link Sweden has the 6th highest deaths per million rate in the world. 

It's surrounding neighbors who have enacted a lockdown have far less total deaths and deaths per million. Denmark 10281 total deaths 91 deaths per million. Norway 7996 total deaths, 40 deaths per million. Finland 5573 total deaths 48 deaths per million. All considerably lower than Sweden. 

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

As for the projected GDP which seems to be at the center of this is projected to contract between 6.9 and 9.7%. The argument that their GDP will be better than it's neighbors or Europe doesn't seem to be the case. 

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/30/coronavirus-sweden-economy-to-contract-as-severely-as-the-rest-of-europe.html

Cheers.

 
 
 
MAGA
4.2.20  seeder  MAGA  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @4.2    3 months ago

My county has 180,000 pop with two large hospitals and a small one and we’ve had 32 cases.  Four older people with co morbidities who had been to Sacramento or the Bay Area or had a relative who did and caught it passed away. Two in hospital, none in ICU most fully recovered and a handful on self quarantine.  We have 125 beds in reserve and a civic center to house it if needed. We are not overwhelmed by it.  We have been leading the restart the economy movement in California.  

 
 
 
CB
4.2.21  CB   replied to  MAGA @4.2.20    3 months ago

Oh good! We, the good people of California, need to stop in for visits and tours. Are you ready for us?

BTW, just for fhits and giggles. "Riddle" me this:

Why are COVID-19 death projections going up to 140,000 nationally because of states opening up?

Are you aware that once people begin moving around the country, no isolation, your county population will definitely be at risk of "penetration"?

Also, are you aware that due to physical distancing and social isolation and masking (maximum and extreme) the people of this nation 'starved' the coronavirus of its abundance of hosts? 

What is to stop your county from being overwhelmed if you remove those safe guards from around your people?

 
 
 
MAGA
4.2.22  seeder  MAGA  replied to  CB @4.2.21    3 months ago

We are using social distancing and precautions.  We are following the governors guidelines.  Are you questioning the governor for letting 7 rural counties including mine move to the next step on his plan ahead of the rest?  It’s possible that he knew those counties would defy him and join Yuba, Sutter, Modoc counties in fully reopening if he didn’t ease up and knew he really couldn’t enforce Bay Area and LA restrictions everywhere since some lower population coastal counties as well as most of the valley ones were joining the far north in pressing for re opening more quickly than LA or Alameda 

 
 
 
pat wilson
4.2.23  pat wilson  replied to  MAGA @4.2.22    3 months ago

So you agree with the governor's actions. Good.

 
 
 
CB
4.2.24  CB   replied to  pat wilson @4.2.23    3 months ago
We are using social distancing and precautions.  We are following the governors guidelines.

No, Re open the economy agrees with Trump's non-federal coronavirus task force guidelines.

 
 
 
CB
4.2.25  CB   replied to  MAGA @4.2.22    3 months ago
We are using social distancing and precautions.

Define "precautions," please. Does it include wearing facial coverings and masks?

We are following the governors guidelines.

Define "guidelines" Does it include testing county people for coronavirus before, during, or after opening up jobs/businesses?

Are you questioning the governor for letting 7 rural counties including mine move to the next step on his plan ahead of the rest?  It’s possible that he knew those counties would defy him and join Yuba, Sutter, Modoc counties in fully reopening if he didn’t ease up and knew he really couldn’t enforce Bay Area and LA restrictions everywhere sinc—

Hold up!

  1. If you SAY the governor 'LET' rural counties move to the next step, please clarify to this discussion how your county is DEFYING Governor Newsom.
  2. If you SAY the governor 'LET' rural counties move to the next step, . . . why are you supposing anything in your @4.2.22?
 
 
 
MAGA
4.2.26  seeder  MAGA  replied to  CB @4.2.25    3 months ago

4.4.22 needs no further clarification. It stands as is.  We are in my county re opening most every thing except theaters, gyms, personal care like nails and hair.  Those will hopefully come open by Memorial Day.  Whether our area would have joined the defiance of the governor is a moot point now.  

 
 
 
CB
4.2.27  CB   replied to  MAGA @4.2.26    3 months ago

You mean you are acting on "feelings" even though you tout facts (as convenient and expedient). Your county is part of the problem with America. Always intent on being a problem; always looking for the issue to divide on. We're sick of it! We're getting sick and tired of it too. This time many, many, lives are involved and still the "pain in the ass-ism" is ceaseless. If your county falls on its 'sword,' good liberals will pick y'all up (it is the right thing to do) but know this, Trump supporters and the "reddish of republicans" can be royal pains. . . . .

 
 
 
MAGA
4.2.28  seeder  MAGA  replied to  CB @4.2.27    3 months ago

It’s just so terrible that red states, counties, communities have people living in them who believe what we do.  The sheer horrors of a diversity of beliefs and opinions and expecting to be respected and tolerated in the expression of those differences.  How dare us country hicks and rural rubes have beliefs and values that are different that yours and have the gall to expect you to respect us.  The fact that we disagree with the people of whatever county or region you are from is not what divides us.  What does divide is the progressive left instinct to govern from the top down cramming their goals and objectives down the unwilling throats of us who disagree.  We on the other hand believe in federalism and the same within a state to the counties.  We really don’t care what they believe in the big cities or how they live as long as they are willing to live and let live and let us live our way in our counties and towns.  And for the record we did follow the state rules at the county and city government level and did use science to be prepared and to never have a significant outbreak in our region of the state.  That you don’t like it that we pressured the governor to let our rural region reopen faster and he did is not my concern.  The governor also let counties re open slower than the overall state standard too.  Whenever urban liberals try to control the actions, choices, lives of us rural people rather than let us live as we chose under local boards and councils or local initiative we will rebel, argue, fight back, and defy every single time. 

 
 
 
CB
4.2.29  CB   replied to  MAGA @4.2.28    3 months ago

We were starting to agree on some points of 'order.' and then pow! I guess the comments down the line don't synch up well. Sigh. You can understand the liberal 'pain' of dealing with republicans and conservatives who take it upon themselves not to compromise with liberals. It seems we are all tired. This virus pandemic is showing up all just how tired we can be!

Bottom-line, re open the economy. Red states, counties, and communities are going to have an easier time and set of life experiences practicing getting along and living quality lives with liberals than they ever will trying to live with novel  coronaviruses.

You will appreciate the phrase, "There but for the grace of God go I." I am sure, in all its 'infamy.'

 
 
 
MAGA
4.2.30  seeder  MAGA  replied to  CB @4.2.29    3 months ago

We were starting to agree on another thread until I found your post here.  It rubbed me the wrong way.  We don’t mind reasonable compromise where each side gets something of what it wants in the deal or both sides equally share in the cost or pain of some deals like taxes or budgets.  Your post came across as that your side was going to set the terms of the discussion and we were going to bow down and fall in line or be labeled trouble makers.  You should be happy with the Ca model.  

 
 
 
CB
4.2.31  CB   replied to  MAGA @4.2.30    3 months ago

In this I don't have a 'side' because your county getting coronavirus is tantamount to virus being in this state and vice-versa! We're "in it" together like it or lump it. The interstate highway sees to that. Why can't you understand the interconnectivity, and the character of one unified whole?

If your rural community hurts, and cries out, we will all come running from San Diego to San Francisco to your agency; why do you write myopically about self-interest and county self-adoration? It is irrelevant. Like a raging firestorm, this virus can not manifest interested in state or county lines. It will cut any and all of us down where we stand if it can.

I am pleased that you say your area sought compromise with our Governor. That shows coordination and cooperation. Push and Pull is okay—it is how 'muscle' is developed and how movement goes forward.

 
 
 
MAGA
4.2.32  seeder  MAGA  replied to  CB @4.2.31    3 months ago

Reopening California: Santa Clara County the only Bay Area county not entering Phase 2 by next week

SANTA CLARA COUNTY, Calif. (KGO) -- By next week, nearly all Bay Area counties are expected to be in Phase 2 of Gov. Gavin Newsom's plan to reopen California. However, Santa Clara County will remain as the lone holdout as it takes a slower approach.
 
 
 
MAGA
4.2.33  seeder  MAGA  replied to  MAGA @4.2.32    3 months ago

It seems that the precious Bay Area is starting to re open too.  I guess you can lighten up on us rural counties now.  

 
 
 
CB
4.2.34  CB   replied to  MAGA @4.2.33    3 months ago

Fire season, cold season, flu season, conoravirus season are coming. The "next" wave of destruction. Wishing y'all well as is my norm.

 
 
 
MAGA
4.2.35  seeder  MAGA  replied to  CB @4.2.34    3 months ago

Dem-imposed coronavirus orders face lawsuits across the nation

Ronn Blitzer 11 hours ago

 

Stay-at-home orders aimed at reducing the spread of coronavirus are now facing legal challenges from residents and state officials alike, alleging that some measures – mostly put in place by Democrats -- go too far while the country gradually moves toward reopening.

California alone is facing at least a dozen lawsuits that include claims that the state has unjustly closed down gun shops and religious services, infringed on freedoms of speech and assembly by restricting protests, and one case where a resident alleges that being forced to remain at home constitutes forced detention without due process.

“We’re being challenged,” California Gov. Gavin Newsom, a Democrat, told CNN’s “State of the Union” on Sunday. “All across this country, every single day, governors are being challenged, local health officials are being challenged, and it’s a spirit of collaboration. Those that continue to pursue things that put people in harm’s risk, you have to have stepped up efforts and enforcement and sanctions.”

That reference to “collaboration” was with regard to Tesla founder Elon Musk, who reopened business in Alameda County, stating in advance on the Internet that he would be disobeying an order requiring him to remain closed. Newsom said that by the time the Tesla facility was open for business, it was with permission following negotiations with the county government.

“They came together and they were able to work out a framework of modifications to keep their workers safe,” Newsom said.

Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer is up against a lawsuit from Republicans in her state’s House and Senate over her extension of an already-strict emergency order that has regulated residents’ movement and closed businesses. The GOP lawsuit claims that Whitmer overstepped her authority  by extending her previous shutdown order, saying she needs the legislature’s approval to extend it beyond 28 days.

Whitmer responded by calling the lawsuit “a political bluff” and “power grab” by the Republican lawmakers.

In Wisconsin, the state Supreme Court struck down the state's “safer at home” on Wednesday, saying the administration of Gov. Tony Evers, a Democrat, overstepped its authority when it extended the order through the end of May. The ruling said any future orders must be approved by the state’s legislature.

Kentucky protesters sued officials including Gov. Andy Beshear, also a Democrat, for allegedly violating the First Amendment by banning mass protests. In another lawsuit a federal judge temporarily blocked Beshear’s ban on in-person church services.

Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton warned that he could take action against the cities of Austin, San Antonio, and Dallas if they do not scale back orders that are more restrictive than state-issued measures. Gov. Greg Abbott is moving toward reopening the state and said that while businesses have the freedom to reopen or remain closed, local governments do not have the option to keep them closed, the Texas Tribune reported.

As Politico noted, while the lawsuits mostly have gone against Democrats, Republican Governors Larry Hogan of Maryland and Mike DeWine of Ohio have faced challenges, as well. Business and religious leaders were joined by state delegates in suing Hogan to block his order. A group of Ohio gyms sued DeWine over his reopening order excluding them from those businesses allowed to operate, but it was subsequently announced that they will be allowed to reopen after all. https://www.foxnews.com/politics/dem-imposed-pandemic-orders-face-lawsuits-across-the-nation

 
 
 
CB
4.2.36  CB   replied to  MAGA @4.2.35    3 months ago

I am not sure what to say, or what you EXPECT me to say and feel about this article. The interplay of activities, policies, and ideas is necessarily dynamic. Compromise or at the least considerations pluses and minuses are par for the course. Courts do have a possible role to play.

What is this gloating overtones about? These are dangerous times right now, dangerous activities, and possibly (probably) risky judgement being made.

 
 
 
CB
4.3  CB   replied to  Thomas @4    3 months ago

We can do both things with prioritization and organization. But Trump. Trump send up a 'flare' to red states to not march in unison with those fighting the virus, but to abandon them on the field of viral conquest, and to open-wide in a state of ignorance so Washington can see if they can 'swallow' the virus whole or not! Trump wants people to imagine they are 'warriors' now. Perhaps they are that, "warriors" -ill equipped, without a unified command, and hauling piss pour equipment around the fields of battle.

All while the "not warrior" in the White House, demands that nobody let the virus get another step. . . in his direction. Inside his White House. The first-line workers can only wish they had a 'warrior' to look after them so well. Indeed.

 
 
 
MAGA
4.3.1  seeder  MAGA  replied to  CB @4.3    3 months ago

That is so ridiculous.  The Presidents wuhan virus commission is not ending.  We are still being driven by facts and data.  We are still using social distancing and precautions.  We still have presidential guidelines to follow in re opening.  The President has done a great job in flattening the curve and getting us prepared to deal with any 2nd wave or future other pandemic and made it possible that we can help other nations now get through this.  The President has encouraged us in blue states opening too slowly to keep up with the federal guidelines or at least free the counties and regions within their states that are ready. 

 
 
 
CB
4.3.2  CB   replied to  MAGA @4.3.1    3 months ago

That's untrue. And you should know Trump is not following his own federal coronavirus guidelines. No mask. Improper social distancing. No quarantining in the White House for him after a risk of exposure. You need to buy a clue. Use this comment as a 'token.'

 
 
 
MAGA
4.3.3  seeder  MAGA  replied to  CB @4.3.2    3 months ago

You’d just love to see the executive branch of the federal government quarantined for a couple of weeks...

 
 
 
CB
4.3.4  CB   replied to  MAGA @4.3.3    3 months ago

And you know what I would love: How? Please proceed. . . . 

Here is something I know from observation, you support 99.99% of the lying statements coming out of Donald Trump's mouth and the less than 1% of truth therein. What say you?

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
5  Freedom Warrior    3 months ago

Unforgivable. On multiple fronts. 

people don’t realize how ugly it’s gonna get.

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
5.1  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  Freedom Warrior @5    3 months ago
people don’t realize how ugly it’s gonna get.

poverty causes more problems than covid ever will

millions of people have lost or are losing everything, their life savings,  their homes, and their business.

 

 
 
 
CB
5.1.1  CB   replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @5.1    3 months ago

And yet after every hurricane, every storm, every tornado, every flood, every plane crash, every earthquake, —are you feeling an trend here—people pick themselves up and give thanks to God that they still have their lives, reasonable health, and the basics of life to start again.

When a man or woman gives up their life -the silver and gold of this world-is toxic as the grave and its headstone. Better put priorities in order. Fix the virus creeping in the cool, shady, 'lanes' and underbellies of our country.

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
5.1.2  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  CB @5.1.1    3 months ago
Better put priorities in order

we are at war with this virus

people die in all wars

putting millions of people in poverty at the same time? stupid beyond belief.

if a captain's first priority was the safety of the ship? that ship would never leave port.

meaning, life is a risk.

if your state opens too quickly for your liking?  stay home. 

 the rest of us are going back to work and take care of our families

we all know some on the left want to destroy our economies because at election time, and I quote "its the economy stupid"

we aint falling for that crap

 
 
 
MAGA
5.1.3  seeder  MAGA  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @5.1.2    3 months ago

Dine-in restaurants and certain businesses in Shasta County have permission to reopen following a special meeting by the Board of Supervisors on Friday.

Shasta County has the ability to relax rules for local restaurants and some retail business and go further than urban areas of California because the North State has not suffered as greatly from the coronavirus pandemic. The allowance is called a regional variance.

As of Friday evening, Shasta County had gone 10 days without any new COVID-19 cases. A total of 31 Shasta County residents have contracted the virus with four patients dying.

Friday's news from the county’s Health and Human Services Agency to green-light restaurants and an expanded list of businesses was enthusiastically received by the supervisors.  “Am I hearing it right because it’s huge, great news to this community that if we approve the attestations, it’s sent, that we are officially able to open retail beyond curbside when they’ve prepared to put the safety protocols in place the same as restaurants,” Supervisor Les Baugh asked Shasta County Public Health Officer Dr. Karen Ramstrom.

Ramstrom agreed as long establishments follow the county's guidelines. The board needed to send a letter to the state with the state acknowledging it receipt. The letter from Ramstrom certified that Shasta County has met coronavirus precautions and can accelerate through Stage 2 of the state’s reopening plan.

“Once we submit, we’re good to go,” Ramstrom said. “This weekend we’ll be in good shape.”

She said some restaurants may need lead time to invite staff back and order food and supplies. Ramstrom said she wouldn't be surprised if some restaurants opened Saturday.

"We're allowing businesses to open because we actually are having them do that in a very careful manner," she said.

The county has a checklist for businesses to follow as part of its Roadway to Recovery plan at  ShastaReady.org .

The board also OK'd a second letter asking for approval to start Stage 3 of the plan as soon as possible.

The state has yet to release new rules for dine-in restaurants but their bars are not likely to reopen so soon.

“We don’t know what those (restaurant restrictions) are exactly yet because the state hasn’t come out with that guidance. That’s expected next week,” Health and Human Services Agency Director Donnell Ewert said.

Being able to serve alcohol inside a restaurant without state repercussions was unclear Friday.

“Maybe it would be best to wait until Monday to do the alcohol thing, maybe just get the food thing up and running to be on the safe side,” Ewert said.

The board said some restaurant owners had heard agents from Alcoholic Beverage Control would be keeping an eye on license holders this weekend for compliance with state prohibitions, especially since many restaurants also have bars.

Restaurant and business are encouraged to call public health for help in following the local guidelines.

“The end result of today is that you’re going to have people cheering in the streets (Saturday) on what has been shared here today,” Baugh said, adding: “cheering in the streets socially separated with masks on."

In other news from the meeting, Ewert said face masks aren't going to be required for everyone "at this time" but he suggests that people use them.

"We do strongly encourage face coverings when going into retail establishments. Again that is to protect others — my mask protects you and your mask protects me," Ewert said.

Older adults and those with health issues are still urged to stay home except for necessary trips like to the grocery store.

"We do want to still encourage all of our seniors over age 65 and people with underlying health conditions to still stay at home as much as possible," Ewert said.

Mass gatherings are forbidden, he said. "No gatherings are actually allowed in Stage 2 per the governor's order," Ewert said.

Non-essential travel out of the county isn't recommended and Ewert said public health doesn't want people coming to Shasta County from elsewhere either.

Shasta County's regional variance allows these businesses to open:

  • Destination retail, including shopping malls and swap meets

  • Personal services, limited to car washes, pet grooming, tanning facilities and landscape gardening

  • Office-based businesses (telework remains strongly encouraged)

  • Dine-in restaurants (bars or gaming areas not permitted but the rules could change if the state Department of Public Health modifies its guidance)

  • Outdoor museums and open gallery spaces.  These businesses can open under statewide rules

    • Retail with an option for curbside pickup, including bookstores, jewelry stores, toy stores, clothing stores, shoe stores, home and furnishing stores, sporting goods stores, antique stores, music stores, florists

    • Supply chains supporting the above businesses, in manufacturing and logistical sectors

    Source: Shasta County Health and Human Services

 
 
 
MAGA
5.1.4  seeder  MAGA  replied to  MAGA @5.1.3    3 months ago

11:45 a.m., Saturday, May 9

Trinity County on Saturday reported its first case of COVID-19.

Trinity officials said they received the positive lab test results Friday night and public health officials will try to determine who else was exposed.

Anyone who's had close contact with the person who tested positive will be quarantined and monitored for virus symptoms, officials said.

Trinity County said it's not giving details surrounding the person who tested positive to maintain that person's privacy.

Shasta County allows dine-in restaurants, retail to open with restrictions

7 a.m., Saturday, May 9

Certain Shasta County businesses that closed temporarily due to COVID-19 are now eligible to reopen if they meet certain health requirements, county officials announced Friday night. 

Health officer Dr. Karen Ramstrom on Friday  certified  that Shasta County has met the requirements for a "full implementation" of Stage 2 of the governor's reopening plan. 

Stage 2 allows for statewide reopening of certain "lower-risk workplaces" with adaptations, like curbside retail, manufacturing and logistics. However, Shasta County is going one step further. 

Since the governor's plan allows for regional variance, Shasta County is permitting the following businesses to open with certain restrictions: 

  • Destination retail, including shopping malls and swap meets

  • Personal services, limited to car washes, pet grooming, tanning facilities, and landscape gardening

  • Office-based businesses (telework remains strongly encouraged)

  • Dine-in restaurants (other facility amenities, like bars or gaming areas, are not permitted)

  • Outdoor museums and open gallery spaces

More specifics on which businesses are and aren't allowed to open can be found at the county's  ShastaReady.org website.  Business owners of certain establishments, like dine-in restaurants, are being instructed to fill out a  safety checklist  before opening.

"It’s important to know that people must still avoid non-essential travel and mass gatherings," a read a press release from the county. "We must create a safe 'new normal' for how businesses function and how social interactions can occur."

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Meanwhile, as of 5 p.m. Saturday, Shasta County had gone 11 days without public officials reporting any new COVID-19 cases.

No new cases were reported Saturday and no one with COVID-19 was in a Shasta County hospital. Also, no one was in isolation while six people were in quarantine.

Officials say 31 Shasta County residents have contracted the virus since the outbreak began, including four deaths.

Humboldt County reported two new cases Saturday.

In statewide news, California counties that opened up certain businesses before the governor gave the go-ahead could miss out on state funding.

A letter from the Governor's Office of Emergency Services to Modoc, Sutter and Yuba counties  reportedly  states disaster funding is predicated on counties facing extraordinary circumstances. So if county officials believe there is no emergency, they might not be able to prove they need the money.

Cases in Northern California counties

Glenn County reported one new COVID-19 case on Thursday, bringing its total number of cases to six since the outbreak began. 

Here's where case totals stand in far Northern California as of Saturday morning:

  • Shasta County, 31 cases

  • Butte County, 18 cases

  • Glenn County, 6 cases 

  • Siskiyou County, 5 cases

  • Plumas County, 4 cases

  • Colusa County, 3 cases

  • Tehama County, 1 case 

  • Trinity County, 1 case

  • Lassen County, no cases

  • Modoc County, no cases

Coastal counties

  • Humboldt County, 57 cases 

  • Mendocino County, 12 cases 

  • Del Norte County, 3 cases

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
5.1.5  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  MAGA @5.1.3    3 months ago

we opened retail stores, restaurants, movie theaters and malls. last friday

business parking lots are full across the city and traffic is almost back to normal 

schools will open after the regularly scheduled summer break :)

 
 
 
MAGA
5.1.6  seeder  MAGA  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @5.1.5    3 months ago

There have only been 141 cases in Northern California north of the Sacramento and Bay Areas Northern limits to the Oregon border and 57 of those in liberal Humboldt county.  We are opening up some without the governors permission and the rest pushing his regional variances to the limit to open. 

 
 
 
Ronin2
5.1.7  Ronin2  replied to  CB @5.1.1    3 months ago
And yet after every hurricane, every storm, every tornado, every flood, every plane crash, every earthquake, —are you feeling an trend here—people pick themselves up and give thanks to God that they still have their lives, reasonable health, and the basics of life to start again.

All of those acts of "God" occur over a limited area- affecting a limited amount of people. Meaning the rest of the country can send resources, money, and aid to help them to recover.  This is happening all across the US. What part of the country is going to bail the rest out? The longer the economy is down, the longer and harder it will take to restart. It is insipid to believe the government can do anything to alter that. 

Think the government is going to magically wave a wand and all of the small business that have closed will reopen? Think that banks and lenders will simply forgive the debts of everyone that no longer has a job; and will take who knows how long to find a new one? There will be a far more significant housing crisis than the last one. Unemployment will be much higher, and the recovery far slower.

When a man or woman gives up their life -the silver and gold of this world-is toxic as the grave and its headstone. Better put priorities in order. Fix the virus creeping in the cool, shady, 'lanes' and underbellies of our country.

You can wax poetic at people when they are living on the streets, with no access to the basic living essentials. How many more will die from the economic fallout than will from the virus?

 
 
 
CB
5.1.8  CB   replied to  Ronin2 @5.1.7    3 months ago

We can do both test for the virus, let the medical and scientific communities speak free of politics, get N95s and other "hazard" masks to the front-line workers and the public-at-large, and open the economy for business. I know people need to work, and equally important those businesses can not run on automatic indefinitely. So miss me with trying to 'divide' my messaging.

Trump has 'back-benched' the medical and scientific communities, for his own (and your conservative purposes). One clear evidence of this activity: Mitch McConnell is back on his old-butt senior senators return to Washington (throwing caution to the wind) to appoint a jacked up individual or several 'jacked-up' individuals to the federal justice bench!

Trump conservatives are transparent as hell! You can try to distract with 'smoke and distortion mirrors,' but I, we, are looking right at you Trump conservatives, your think tanks, your propaganda news, and your Fox (and friends) and more.

 
 
 
MAGA
5.1.9  seeder  MAGA  replied to  Ronin2 @5.1.7    3 months ago

It’s sad that we even have to explain such basic elementary civics and economics to them.  

 
 
 
MAGA
5.1.10  seeder  MAGA  replied to  CB @5.1.8    3 months ago

As long as the House refuses to show up to do the people’s business about all the senate can do is confirm  people to various appointed jobs as per their duty.  Not one judicial appointment should go unconfirmed.  

 
 
 
CB
5.1.11  CB   replied to  MAGA @5.1.10    3 months ago

You best hope none of your red-state (old gray headed) senators test positive for the Coronavirus being that is all you care about, because the "people's business" will be in for a shift in priorities. We're see just how many court appointees get confirmed when/if those old gray heads are dealing with internal pandemic disease quotients. That being stated, by all means, lead with the old gray heads in the Senate. . . . We're watch from a 'secure' position how it proceeds.

 
 
 
MAGA
5.1.12  seeder  MAGA  replied to  CB @5.1.11    3 months ago

They are using precautions and social distancing so no problem.  It seems that restarting our economy and getting as close as possible as soon as possible our old lives back is your greatest fear.  Mine is another decade like the 1930’s. 

 
 
 
CB
5.1.13  CB   replied to  MAGA @5.1.12    3 months ago

Social conservative activism is attempting to hijack the lockdown/reopening process. If there is nothing further. . . .  I'd like to vote that we move on. "Yea."

 
 
 
MAGA
5.1.14  seeder  MAGA  replied to  CB @5.1.13    3 months ago

We are moving on....on to re opening America and restarting our economy while there’s still one to restart.  Moving on up!  

 
 
 
MAGA
5.1.15  seeder  MAGA  replied to  Ronin2 @5.1.7    3 months ago

Democrats have become bitter clingers trying to hold on to power and control that comes with the Coronavirus lockdown. Political cartoon by A.F. Branco ©2020.

 
 
 
CB
5.1.16  CB   replied to  MAGA @5.1.15    3 months ago

You do have access to quite a bit of social conservative propaganda.

 
 
 
MAGA
5.1.17  seeder  MAGA  replied to  CB @5.1.16    3 months ago
It’s a mainstream conservative site.  I’m a conservative.  Blanco cartoons are rather mild fare as is the stuff I seed from all meeting the conditions of MBFC.  
 
 
 
CB
5.1.18  CB   replied to  MAGA @5.1.17    3 months ago

And this makes you full of pride, how? Does the word, "propaganda," not clue you in enough to mean you ought not consider it suitable for sharing with others?

 
 
 
MAGA
5.1.19  seeder  MAGA  replied to  CB @5.1.18    3 months ago

You see, that’s the problem here.  Some who have a progressive left view point simply have no tolerance for any diversity of opinion, attacking what others believe and or find humorous as propaganda, as if our viewpoints are allowed no legitimacy at all.  That’s sad.  

 
 
 
pat wilson
5.1.20  pat wilson  replied to  MAGA @5.1.19    3 months ago

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CB
5.1.21  CB   replied to  MAGA @5.1.19    3 months ago

So, let's see: You are a hapless victim of propaganda sites, and you can't help yourself?! Is that what you 'working' with in the clutch?

 
 
 
TᵢG
5.1.22  TᵢG  replied to  MAGA @5.1.19    3 months ago
Some who have a progressive left view point simply have no tolerance for any diversity of opinion,

I think you might be misreading what is going on.   Some people simply object to ridiculous claims.   When one claims that the coronavirus is the work of Satan, that evolution is pseudoscience — a worldwide conspiracy of godless scientists, that nutcases like Ken Ham are 'great men', etc. one should expect a rather cogent rebuttal.

 
 
 
MAGA
5.1.23  seeder  MAGA  replied to  pat wilson @5.1.20    3 months ago

Thanks for proving my point.  We on the right are much more tolerant of viewpoints we don’t like or disagree with than most leftists are toward what they don’t like or agree with.  

 
 
 
MAGA
5.1.24  seeder  MAGA  replied to  CB @5.1.21    3 months ago

What might be propaganda to you is not to me and vice versa thus resorting to calling viewpoints of our ideological opponents propaganda is pointless and counter productive to civil dialogue and comity.  

 
 
 
CB
5.1.25  CB   replied to  MAGA @5.1.24    3 months ago

Propaganda is not true or factual. It is slanted to the "itching ears" of a specific target and individual. Thus, propaganda sole purpose is to persuade taking no account of the right or wrong involved. That is a significant difference. (You likely will recognize the verbiage, "itching ears" as from the Bible as something not to permit oneself to possess.)

 
 
 
MAGA
5.1.26  seeder  MAGA  replied to  CB @5.1.25    3 months ago

Propaganda may be what you say it is but I categorically deny and reject the premise that conservative oriented news and opinion (written, spoken, meme, cartoons) is propaganda. It is not rational or reasonable to consider mainstream conservative or mainstream liberal oriented sources well within the broad mainstream of American political thought to be propaganda or hateful simply because we disagree with the points being made.  

 
 
 
MAGA
5.1.27  seeder  MAGA  replied to  CB @5.1.25    3 months ago

 
 
 
MAGA
5.1.28  seeder  MAGA  replied to  MAGA @5.1.27    3 months ago

 
 
 
MAGA
5.1.29  seeder  MAGA  replied to  MAGA @5.1.28    3 months ago

 
 
 
CB
5.1.30  CB   replied to  MAGA @5.1.26    3 months ago

Look! When a 'party' uses caricature, distortion, excess, gaslighting, a lack of proper proportion, and a combination of several of them to illustrate or construct a political point of view/s it behooves me, you, us to simply refuse to touch or watch! Your mind does not have to lend itself to trash, lies, and even worse, folks who have intent to twist the truth into a lie.

A Saying: "If you have the issue that each night you go to bed, you wake up on the floor; Move over in the bed.

Moral: Stop sleeping on the edge of the bed!

 
 
 
CB
5.1.31  CB   replied to  MAGA @5.1.27    3 months ago

I'm sorry. How is this a demonstration of balanced news? You produce select soundbites with/without context and expect me to conclude what exactly? Moreover, where is Laura Ingraham's recognition of the mistakes, blunders, 'stumbles,' and 'bloopers' of the Trump Administration.

Do you really mean to imply that liberals are frauds and tyrants, while conservatives are truth tellers alone?

Question: How long is Fox News and those other cable news stations going to engage in trench warfare (firing salvos) against each other? How are cable news stations helping to 'spirit' truth into our daily lives?

Perhaps, it is time to dispense with all of cable news and/or all opinion news shows and anchors on the networks!

 
 
 
CB
5.1.32  CB   replied to  MAGA @5.1.28    3 months ago

Tucker Carlson is a propagandist who tolerates error when it serves conservative self-interest. BTW, I refuse to listen to Tucker's slanted rants staged for effect for seven minutes straight. I would not expect conservatives, who one might assume to be stable and stoic, salt of the earth types, to allow specious arguments and "scented words of rhetoric" to overrule their earthy qualities and commonsense.

 
 
 
CB
5.1.33  CB   replied to  MAGA @5.1.29    3 months ago

Sean Hannity - Tucker Carlson, ditto. Can't do 11 minutes of that rhetoric. Now if you have a 'block segment' for me to consume I will ingest it and then weigh it on that segmented portion alone.  But I have not cared for Sean Hannity's view of the world since the early days when he was working with Alan Colmes! (Yes, I watched Fox News in the 90's through 2008!

 
 
 
MAGA
5.1.34  seeder  MAGA  replied to  CB @5.1.31    3 months ago

Those were the opening comments of the three prime time opinion hosts on Fox News Channel the last couple of nights.  They reflect where we conservatives are coming from on the key issues of the day.  Tucker has the #1 rated cable news show, Hannity is #2 though they trade places regularly while Laura is either #3 or #4 with The Five.  Those are for all of Cable News not just in the Fox line up.  Opinion shows on cable news are no different than the editorial-op ed pages in a newspaper. The things they say there and what I say here are quite similar and they are mainstream conservatives as am I.   

 
 
 
MAGA
5.1.35  seeder  MAGA  replied to  CB @5.1.31    3 months ago

Perhaps it is time to dispense with the idea of censorship and accept that people can hold and share different viewpoints we strongly disagree with without being motivated by ill will or hate.  America is big enough to share in the expression of mainstream political thought and opinion on the news whether from the left, middle, or right without resorting to name calling or bitter anger.  Comity and civil dialogue requires tolerance for a diversity of belief and ideas and the free expression of them

 
 
 
MAGA
5.1.36  seeder  MAGA  replied to  CB @5.1.32    3 months ago

do you think we don’t listen to or watch Lawrence O’ Donnell and Rachel Maddow or Cuomo and Lemon to see what the other side says from time to time?  

 
 
 
JBB
5.1.37  JBB  replied to  MAGA @5.1.35    3 months ago

Because, "Thou shalt not bear false witness"...

I have no idea why Perrie lets you spread lies.

 
 
 
MAGA
5.1.38  seeder  MAGA  replied to  CB @5.1.31    3 months ago

Why?  Since when is less choice and options better?  You can’t bring back the days when everyone gathered around the tv at 6 pm for peter Jennings John Chancellor or Walter Cronkite every night and most all the national and international news in the newspapers came originally from the New York Times or Washington Post.  Rush Limbaugh was the beginning of the end of the liberal monopoly on the news.  And I’ve listened to him when not at work when he’s on since 1985.  

 
 
 
MAGA
5.1.39  seeder  MAGA  replied to  JBB @5.1.37    3 months ago

Because you as a progressive liberal don’t get to decide that what other people watch, listen to and believe is lies simply because you disagree with them, us, me.  You don’t see us on the right running to Perrie and complaining about the “lies” and “hate” from our point of view that you and certain others bombard us with all the time.  It seems that you can dish out against conservatives but are unwilling to see the expression of the other side.  Vox, Salon, TPM, MSNBC, etc, ok.  Fox, Newsmax, Town Hall, conservative daily news, etc. ban them all and everyone that expresses their viewpoints.  Is that what you are saying?  

 
 
 
CB
5.1.40  CB   replied to  MAGA @5.1.34    3 months ago

They are bombastic 'flamethrowers'  who rather disturbingly can not point to the 'plank in their own party's eye'  before they nightly demonize others. And you model this as what proper conservatism is?!!

 
 
 
CB
5.1.41  CB   replied to  MAGA @5.1.35    3 months ago

You're lecturing us about comity and civil dialogue? Tolerance and diversity. Tell me when did you stop supporting an end to same-sex marriages or an end to a woman's right to choose, or and end to feminism, or and end to welfare, or and end to civil rights legislation, or and end. . . .

Fundamentalist conservative Christians mostly are by definition lacking in diversity of belief and ideas.

 
 
 
CB
5.1.42  CB   replied to  MAGA @5.1.36    3 months ago

I have no reason to suspect what you do or don't do, Heartland A'. I just read and respond your comments.

 
 
 
CB
5.1.43  CB   replied to  MAGA @5.1.38    3 months ago

That you listen to Rush Limbaugh that long speaks volumes about your politics. . . .  I listen to 'Rush' too in my car from time to time just to keep up with the noise. I won't tell you my opinion of him overall.

 
 
 
MAGA
5.1.44  seeder  MAGA  replied to  CB @5.1.18    3 months ago

Dave Van Zandt has not rated any of what I’m using here as questionable or propaganda.  

 
 
 
MAGA
5.1.45  seeder  MAGA  replied to  CB @5.1.40    3 months ago

They are proper conservatism.  That’s the bottom line.  Fox News is proper conservatism as is Town Hall.  Progressives and liberals don’t get to determine what is acceptable conservatism though MBFC does that to us.  

 
 
 
MAGA
5.1.46  seeder  MAGA  replied to  CB @5.1.43    3 months ago

I was so happy and pleased to see Rush Limbaugh won the Presidential Medal of Freedom at the State of the Union address.  

 
 
 
CB
5.1.47  CB   replied to  MAGA @5.1.45    3 months ago
 Progressives and liberals don’t get to determine what is acceptable conservatism?

I wish to have a display of acceptable conservatism:

  • Mitch McConnell first negatively stated on Fox News that the Obama Administration left no pandemic plan for the Trump Administration when it ended, then he turned and corrected the statement to positively say the Obama Administration did leave a pandemic plan and he was wrong.
  • Donald Trump says, 'The prior administration left the cupboards bare; there was nothing (no pandemic plan, no "to-do" checklist, no product).'

Heartland American, which man, The president or the Majority Leader is telling the truth in the bullet points?

 
 
 
MAGA
5.1.48  seeder  MAGA  replied to  CB @5.1.47    3 months ago

What’s that have to do with what I said in 45?

 
 
 
MAGA
5.1.49  seeder  MAGA  replied to  CB @5.1.47    3 months ago
  • ....White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany showed off the administration's plan to battle the coronavirus
  • She held up two binders of information to compare to them to the paper plan she said the Obama administration left for them 
  • 'This dead packet of paper was replaced by two detailed robust pandemic response reports commissioned by the Trump administration,' she said 
  • Trump claimed Thursday that he did have a playbook to battle the pandemic 
  • He had McEnany carrying binders to prove his point
  • One was a January 2018 plan titled 'Pandemic Crisis Action Plan Ver. 2.0' 
  • She also held after-action report from 2019 'Crimson Contagion' simulation
  • The wargame simulated a deadly influenza pandemic originating in China
  • Report found severe deficiencies in federal preparedness for an outbreak
  • Warned of confusion in federal response over agency responsibilities
  • Predicted shortfall of masks and ventilators due to inadequate supply chains
  • Bluntly stated there was 'insufficient funding' designated for a pandemic 
  • Here’s how to help people impacted by Covid-19

White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany on Friday showed off President Donald Trump's plan to battle the coronavirus, holding up two binders of information to compare to them to the paper plan she said the Obama administration left for them. 

'This dead packet of paper was replaced by two detailed robust pandemic response reports commissioned by the Trump administration,' she said at her press briefing....

 
 
 
CB
5.1.50  CB   replied to  MAGA @5.1.49    3 months ago

You did not deal with the question. Time is not a placeholder. Deal with the question @5.1.47, please.

 
 
 
CB
5.1.51  CB   replied to  MAGA @5.1.49    3 months ago

If Trump had two robust pandemic reports commissioned and "approved," riddle me this: Why are we still counting our pandemic-stricken dead? And why are doctors and nurses still ill-suited to "dress-out" in hospitals to fight this pandemic?

 
 
 
MAGA
5.1.52  seeder  MAGA  replied to  CB @5.1.51    3 months ago

Perhaps because there was t enough time between the role play war game scenario and its findings and the onset of the virus here in order to rectify the shortcomings left behind by Obama’s “plan”

 
 
 
CB
5.1.53  CB   replied to  MAGA @5.1.52    3 months ago

Okay, it is the tail-end of a four year Trump Administration. This 'warp-speed' scenario we're in for a vaccine after the death of 91,000 and counting people>>is late by three years and some change.

What happened to Trump pulling up his 'big-boy pants in the meantime and realizing where the buck stops?

And where are you on the sitting president being responsible for what goes on in his administration?

HA, if you blow smoke this time. . . this discussion ends at that point. People are sick, dying, dead. Time for sincere straight-talk; human to human, man to man, citizen to citizen. I ain't against Trump because of his political party, I am just not able to put up with his arrogant denials of truth and purposes.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
5.1.54  XDm9mm  replied to  CB @5.1.53    3 months ago
This 'warp-speed' scenario we're in for a vaccine after the death of 91,000 and counting people>>is late by three years and some change.

Ok...   riddle me this.   How can ANYONE secure a vaccine that you claim is late by "three years and some change", when that virus was not seen "three years and some change" ago.

Now this should be quite the undertaking for one that is constantly trying to prove how pseudo intellectual and well educated he is.  Do you know something that all of the scientists in the world (with the possible exception of some Chinese working in a secret lab) don't know?

 
 
 
CB
5.1.55  CB   replied to  XDm9mm @5.1.54    3 months ago

We may not need the 'crash course' vaccine (huffing and puffing it out) if the door had not been left open by the negligent 2018 Trump plan/s that clearly did not get up and running in time for a fourth year of a Trump presidency.

John Q Public is still looking for N95 masks, emergency departments are still improperly suited up to get safe from the microbe that has so far sickened hundreds of thousands and killed 91,000 citizens. And New York was left horribly uncovered by Trump's "disastrous" pandemic plan. If what happened in New York had been duplicated across the country we would be in deep you know what!

Sickening and stockpiles in freezers and mass graves: That could not have been Trump's PLAN of Action. . .or could it?

Trump (HE-MAN) sitting and standing around taking hydroxychloroquine on a daily basis, . . . in the Trump pandemic plan?

 
 
 
XDm9mm
5.1.56  XDm9mm  replied to  CB @5.1.55    3 months ago

So, you have NO answer to the riddle.

But you DO have the twist and spin deflection game down pat!!

 
 
 
CB
5.1.57  CB   replied to  XDm9mm @5.1.56    3 months ago

Your so-called "riddle" is irrelevant. The Trump

'plan'  did not activate. Did Trump appear to be executing a plan when he perfunctorily ordered the national shutdown and 2 trillion dollars in business and public checks to the citizenry? A first in the history of the country. Trump's plan called for the hasty shut down of schools from coast to coast?

You can't blow smoke up me, XDm9mm. We still can't find Lysol spray out in about the country.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
5.1.58  XDm9mm  replied to  CB @5.1.57    3 months ago
You can't blow smoke up me, XDm9mm.

No need to, you do a sufficient job all on your own.

We still can't find Lysol spray out in about the country.

Really?  Do you have hoarder problems?   Out here in San Antonio, that's Texas by the way, we have no problem.  Maybe we're simply more civilized and understand that there are people other than ourselves that the stores are doing the best they can to supply.   Could it be that those urban center people are simply too self absorbed to consider others?

Please continue the twist and spin.  It's getting more enjoyable with each passing attempt.  Your turn.

 
 
 
CB
5.1.59  CB   replied to  XDm9mm @5.1.58    3 months ago

Okay. What makes you think I dwell in an urban center? You're supposing? Well, I have relatives in San Antonio, Texas so one I know where the city is located; and two - it is not a rural town. Three, Lysol is not selling the spray on Amazon or its own company website. I, not Lysol distribution, expect that I should go outside my area to get the product. So I am glad San Antonio has it. Lysol should get off operating to supply Amazon, at least, as a distribution point!

So what is your problem, really? You can try to argue me down over Trump but that won't work because that talking 'horse' won't ever shut up or stay off camera long enough for you to catch up with everything he gaslights. ME-ME-ME.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
5.1.60  XDm9mm  replied to  CB @5.1.59    3 months ago
Okay. What makes you think I dwell in an urban center? You're supposing?

I thought you yourself indicated you were an urban dweller.  If I'm mistaken I apologize,  If I'm correct, suck it up. 

Well, I have relatives in San Antonio, Texas so one I know where the city is located; and two - it is not a rural town.

Well, at least you have some smart relatives.  And yes I know I've already told you it's the 7th largest city in the US.  (Source: https://www.moving.com/tips/the-top-10-largest-us-cities-by-population/   )

Three, Lysol Spray is not selling the spray on Amazon or its own website.

Is there a point you're trying to make?  Is Amazon the only retailer in the country?  I've had no problem with the local grocery store HEB, nor with WalMart being sufficiently stocked.

So what is your problem, really?

I have none.   I'm not trying like some to denigrate President Trump or his supporters.

You can try to argue me down over Trump but that won't work because that talking 'horse' won't ever shut up or stay off camera long enough for you to catch up with everything he gaslights . ME-ME-ME.

I'm still waiting for the answer to the riddle your own post demanded.

 
 
 
CB
5.1.61  CB   replied to  XDm9mm @5.1.60    3 months ago
I thought you yourself indicated you were an urban dweller.  If I'm mistaken I apologize,  If I'm correct, suck it up. 

Living in California does not make me an 'urban dweller' if you don't know that you should ask somebody.

 
 
 
CB
5.1.62  CB   replied to  XDm9mm @5.1.60    3 months ago
Is there a point you're trying to make?  Is Amazon the only retailer in the country?  I've had no problem with the local grocery store HEB, nor with WalMart being sufficiently stocked.

And as goes your local grocery store "HEB"  and area Walmart, . . . goes the rest of the country? What about outside of San Antonio? Your 'area' of Amazon selling Lysol spray and retailing it better than Lysol Company's own website too?

 
 
 
CB
5.1.63  CB   replied to  XDm9mm @5.1.60    3 months ago

The 'answer' is if Trump had such a 'shit-hot' plan or plans; then he would not be flipping out science to give him a vaccine ahead of science's own ability to properly and safely produce it. This is not some cheap manufacturing bricks and mortar construction project in New York City, Florida, or other parts unknown. Human tissue is involved. Safe to say, Trump's 'spectacular' plan should have kicked in long  before China and Europe version of coronavirus landed in our cities. Instead old 'horse' had fired the pandemic teams that were already left in place; because he was listening to republican-conservative think-tanks>>which screwed the 'American people' over in the end.

Duck and cover.

But, you disagree. Of course you do. Go on.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
5.1.64  XDm9mm  replied to  CB @5.1.61    3 months ago
Living in California does not make me an 'urban dweller' if you don't know that you should ask somebody.

Predicated entirely on where in Californication you reside.  Just sayin.

 
 
 
CB
5.1.65  CB   replied to  XDm9mm @5.1.64    3 months ago

You're digressing. I accept your apology. (Smile.)

 
 
 
XDm9mm
5.1.66  XDm9mm  replied to  CB @5.1.63    3 months ago
The 'answer' is if Trump had such a 'shit-hot' plan or plans; then he would not be flipping out science to give him a vaccine ahead of science's own ability to properly and safely produce it.

I'm happy you admit to duck and cover.

You were after all the one who made the absurd claim that he should have had a vaccine for a never before seen virus BEFORE it even appeared.

Keep twisting and spinning.  I'm really being continually amused at the theatrics and contortions.

 
 
 
CB
5.1.67  CB   replied to  XDm9mm @5.1.66    3 months ago

Well, that is has been not a learning or growth experience. See ya!

 
 
 
Thomas
6  Thomas    3 months ago

we all know some on the left want to destroy our economies 

Why would anyone want to destroy the economy? Don't we all live here? Don't we all have to put up with the same economy? 

Besides, I thought all lib's wanted to suck off the teat of the rich like the leaches they are(sarc)?? Some logical internal consistency would be nice..

And this statement:

if a captain's first priority was the safety of the ship? that ship would never leave port.

That is the captain's first priority. If he has no ship, he is not much of a captain anymore.

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
6.1  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  Thomas @6    3 months ago

being at sea is much more dangerous than being in port.

the number one concern of a ship is shipping not hanging around in port

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
6.2  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  Thomas @6    3 months ago
Why would anyone want to destroy the economy?

some on the left will stop at nothing to win this election against trump including putting millions of people in poverty to do it.

why?  they have TDS 

but I explained that already above. 

5.1.2    we all know some on the left want to destroy our economies because at election time , and I quote "its the economy stupid"
 
 
 
CB
6.2.1  CB   replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @6.2    3 months ago

Shove conspiracy theories. You might be looking for monsters, but the truth is some of us don't have to go very far at all! It is here.

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
6.2.2  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  CB @6.2.1    3 months ago
but the truth is some of us don't have to go very far at all! It is here.

sorry to hear that.     if your state is still closed?     talk to your governor  

256

also, join a class action lawsuit against china?  I did.

sure the lawyers make out best, but id rather an american law firm has the cash than china... LOL

 
 
 
CB
6.2.3  CB   replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @6.2.2    3 months ago

@4.2.17!

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
6.2.4  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  CB @6.2.3    3 months ago

cheers :)

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
6.3  Freedom Warrior  replied to  Thomas @6    3 months ago
Why would anyone want to destroy the economy?

Go ahead and tell us why you want to.

 
 
 
MAGA
6.3.1  seeder  MAGA  replied to  Freedom Warrior @6.3    3 months ago

6.2.2 says it all as to why they would want to do that.  

 
 
 
Thomas
6.3.2  Thomas  replied to  Freedom Warrior @6.3    3 months ago

I don't. And, it is not necessary to destroy the economy. All it takes is a little bit of imagination and cooperation. 

How many times over the past two months have you heard the phrase," We are all in this together,"?

Well, we are. This pandemic is here and it aint going away. You know this is true, I know this is true. Everyone should by now know that this is true. We are all in the same boat, riding this big ol blue ball around the sun because that ois what a pandemic is and does: It affects everybody. 

So, you are sitting at home going, "Gosh, this really sucks!" It sucks for everybody, especially if when we get to the other side of this everybody is in debt up to their asses. The individuals. The business owners. The corporations.The factories. The farmers, The meat processing plants, The governments. The list goes on and on. Every one of those owes money to the others. But wait.... we all owe each other money... Let's think about that.

To put a face on it, say Jed here is out of work because of the pandemic and he can't pay his rent, he is having problems buying groceries and his utilities are going unpaid because he has no money. That really sucks for Jed right now. If Jed goes to his landlord, his landlord is going to say, 'If I don't get my rent money, then I can't pay my bills. I have to pay bills to, you know. I gotta keep my groceries coming and lights on, too."

But he lets Jed slide anyway and so turns to his creditors and says, "listen, I can't pay you this month because I didn't get paid this month. Can you let me slide a little?"  Well, this goes on like this, with each entity easing off on the demand of payment. It is all going so well! This scenario works its way around the economy until one entity says, "No. Pay me. Now. I need my money. Now!" What a friggin a-hole. 

It was working until someone had to be a big penis head and demand payment now, instead of lettin' it ride, man...

 
 
 
CB
7  CB     3 months ago

It is the medical profession and the scientist that are bringing the nation through and out the other side of this pandemic (when the time arrives). Conservatives do not sell yourselves on knowing how to bully or buy your way out or through this. Many people will remember how you sat on your hands with your shitty attitudes about death (panels) come this fall! Trump conservatives, I can not respect people who do not respect other people enough to wish them life in/through a pandemic.

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
7.1  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  CB @7    3 months ago
It is the medical profession and the scientist that are bringing the nation through and out the other side of this pandemic

tellin it like it is.....

 
 
 
CB
7.1.1  CB   replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @7.1    3 months ago

@4.2.17!

 
 
 
MAGA
8  seeder  MAGA    3 months ago

And now Elon Musk is going to move from Alameda County California to Texas and move their HQ to Nevada or Texas over the restart our economy issue.  Tesla was going to restart production Monday and the idiot county said no.  Way to go Bay Area!  

 
 
 
MAGA
8.1  seeder  MAGA  replied to  MAGA @8    3 months ago

Tesla CEO Elon Musk threatened Saturday to pull the company’s factory and headquarters out of California and sued local officials who have stopped the company from reopening its electric vehicle factory.

In a lawsuit filed in federal court, Tesla accused the Alameda County Health Department of overstepping federal and state coronavirus restrictions when it stopped Tesla from restarting production at its factory in Fremont. The lawsuit contends Tesla factory workers are allowed to work during California’s stay-at-home order because the facility is considered “critical infrastructure.“

“Frankly, this is the final straw,” Musk tweeted. “Tesla will now move its HQ and future programs to Texas/Nevada immediately.”  https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dallasnews.com/business/autos/2020/05/09/is-tesla-texas-bound-elon-musk-threatens-to-move-company-out-of-california/%3foutputType=amp

 
 
 
MAGA
8.1.1  seeder  MAGA  replied to  MAGA @8.1    3 months ago

Large and medium size corporations can leverage themselves vs various states to get their needs met and get restarted.  The small and micro businesses and their working class population tied to an area without mobility not so much.  I hope Musk sets in motion an exodus of those who can from locked down blue states to opening up red ones.  

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
8.1.2  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  MAGA @8.1.1    3 months ago

as doctor no fuks to give said above at 7.1

when liquor stores are deemed essential while your business is deemed non-essential?  something is wrong

 
 
 
MAGA
8.1.3  seeder  MAGA  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @8.1.2    3 months ago

And a democrat state legislators response to what Musk said was a four letter word expletive beginning with the letter F.  The sheer arrogance of government to think it can dictate terms of existence to us serfs....  

 
 
 
MAGA
9  seeder  MAGA    3 months ago

It’s sad that we even have to explain such basic elementary civics and economics to them.  

 
 
 
MAGA
10  seeder  MAGA    3 months ago

“....Pennsylvania Trump supporters will be watching for signs of support for their rebellion against their Democrat governor.

The president weighed in on Monday, criticizing Democrats in the state for playing politics with the lockdowns.

“The great people of Pennsylvania want their freedom now, and they are fully aware of what that entails,” Trump wrote on Twitter.

On Friday, Trump criticized Gov. Wolf’s handling of the coronavirus lockdowns after meeting with Pennsylvania Republicans Rep. Scott Perry and Rep. Guy Reschenthaler.

“What the Democrats are doing in Pennsylvania is a disgrace,””.... https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/05/13/donald-trump-to-visit-pennsylvania-during-rebellion-against-gov-tom-wolfs-coronavirus-lockdowns/

 
 
 
CB
10.1  CB   replied to  MAGA @10    3 months ago

Donald Trump is one of the most ignorant and impossible creatures on this planet right now. A dumb, stupid, divider who is 'forever' somewhere not following his or other federal guidelines—health related or otherwise. That he can find sympathetic voices in the republican and conservative Trump supporters, by definition means these people are Trump 'lites' or worse. They could be the very ones putting Trump up to it.

 
 
 
MAGA
10.1.1  seeder  MAGA  replied to  CB @10.1    3 months ago

Pennsylvania is one of if not the most restrictive states in the country.  They have one of those dictator control freak governors with a god complex.  Trump is right to give support to the re opening resistance there.  In Wisconsin the Supreme Court overturned that governor and his Pennsylvania like plan.  The court said the governor and legislature must work together to make the lockdown and the governor can’t unilaterally do it so now no rules in Wisconsin.  The governor there seems prepared to have no rules than partner with the GOP legislature to write cooperative rules and then hope for disaster so he can blame Republicans for stopping his unilateral dictatorship.  

 
 
 
CB
10.1.2  CB   replied to  MAGA @10.1.1    3 months ago
The governor there seems prepared to have no rules than partner with the GOP legislature to write cooperative rules and then hope for disaster so he can blame Republicans for stopping his unilateral dictatorship.  

You know, . . .you are trying to have it both ways. That's stinkin' thinkin.

You know,. . . I got a ticket on one of your threads where you speak of "god complexes," as you obviously did not like it when I evidenced Trump's narcissism 'disorder' in relief. So I would kindly ask that you desist your mention of others who you view, in your 'vast' opinion, as having a god complex.

 
 
 
MAGA
10.1.3  seeder  MAGA  replied to  CB @10.1.2    3 months ago

I don’t recall ticketing any of your posts. 

 
 
 
MAGA
10.1.4  seeder  MAGA  replied to  CB @10.1.2    3 months ago

Speaking of God complex...here’s a little  political humor to lighten our day...

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CB
10.1.5  CB   replied to  MAGA @10.1.4    3 months ago

I would tell you where to go, but youhey! how's the weather?

 
 
 
MAGA
10.1.6  seeder  MAGA  replied to  CB @10.1.5    3 months ago

That’s ok.  You are a liberal Christian and I’m a conservative one.  We agree on very little but even where we are diametrically opposed I’d fight to my end to preserve your right to believe what you do and your right to freely speak your mind.  It’s a part of what being an American is all about

 
 
 
CB
10.1.7  CB   replied to  MAGA @10.1.6    3 months ago

That's untrue. You don't even believe liberal Christians are going to be in fundamentalist Heaven. And for that matter, you wouldn't dare engage me in a proper discussion about a belief in Jesus, social gospels, and the history of our 'faiths,' plural.

 
 
 
MAGA
10.1.8  seeder  MAGA  replied to  CB @10.1.7    3 months ago

There is only one Heaven and everyone who ever lived to this point who has lived their lives according to the the best light they’ve been shown by the Holy Spirit regardless of the religion and society they were a part of most certainly will be in Heaven.  Politically liberal Christians who believe by faith and once a believer grow their relationship with God and act and do good works in order to please him will be saved.  Christina, Jews, Muslims who don’t let go of an repent all sins and cling to one or more even while outwardly professing belief will not be saved whether they are conservative or liberal.  For Christians there is The Bible.  The one I as a Protestant believe in and read has four gospels in the New Testament that reveal the life and mission of Jesus.  I’m not familiar with social gospels.  Are they related to Catholic liberation theology? 

 
 
 
TᵢG
10.1.9  TᵢG  replied to  MAGA @10.1.8    3 months ago
Christina, Jews, Muslims who don’t let go of an repent all sins and cling to one or more even while outwardly professing belief will not be saved whether they are conservative or liberal.

By your beliefs, the uber majority of all human beings who have lived are thus not in Heaven or destined for Heaven.    God is sure wasting a ton of souls;  nice plan.

 
 
 
CB
10.1.10  CB   replied to  MAGA @10.1.8    3 months ago
There is only one Heaven and everyone who ever lived to this point who has lived their lives according to the the best light they’ve been shown by the Holy Spirit regardless of the religion and society they were a part of most certainly will be in Heaven.  
Politically liberal Christians who believe by faith and once a believer grow their relationship with God and act and do good works in order to please him will be saved.  
Christina, Jews, Muslims who don’t let go of an repent all sins and cling to one or more even while outwardly professing belief will not be saved whether they are conservative or liberal.

That middle paragraph is vague and unimpressive. Moreover, I am not sure what politics lends to good faith discipline.

Paragraph One and Three are inconsistent. One says, "best light" (meaning I suppose, best of their ability) can be Saved; Three implies, "best light (Para. One)" can not be saved due to an or a set of unrepentant sin(s) in this life.

Want to clean this up; so we can discuss it properly?

 
 
 
CB
10.1.11  CB   replied to  MAGA @10.1.8    3 months ago

Social gospels do take account of the human state of existence in this life, and see it just as necessary to avoid oppression of others in the here and now as in the life to come. Fundamentalism focuses on the eternal state of the life to come. I believe in treating all people as equals and right accordingly and in miracles and the life to come.

Social gospels are not Catholic Liberation Theology, but there could be bridges that dot the landscapes.

 
 
 
MAGA
10.1.12  seeder  MAGA  replied to  CB @10.1.5    3 months ago

Weathers not bad!  

 
 
 
MAGA
10.1.13  seeder  MAGA  replied to  TᵢG @10.1.9    3 months ago

If people are living by the best light shown them they will not cling to things that has been shown to them as wrong. You are correct though that a significant majority of humanity particularly those living in the very last days will be lost.  Jesus said narrow is the path to salvation and wide is the road to destruction.  I have no idea what the ratio of saved vs lost will be over time or even among those living at the moment of the 2nd coming.  There are analogies between the great flood and the 2nd coming including by Jesus Himself and hopefully proportionally more will be saved in the future than back then.

 
 
 
MAGA
10.1.14  seeder  MAGA  replied to  TᵢG @10.1.9    3 months ago

That’s where free will comes in.  Many will choose not to accept the gift to us all from the plan of salvation.  Pride, reason, and logic will get in the way.  

 
 
 
MAGA
10.1.15  seeder  MAGA  replied to  CB @10.1.11    3 months ago

Evangelical Christianity focuses on both salvation with the eternal life to come as well as mitigating the human suffering of the here and now.  That is why we set up schools and universities, build and operate hospitals and medical clinics all over the world too as well as provide charities that help the down trodden, the poor, the prisoner, the sick, provide globally disaster relief from man made and natural disasters, from food and water to purification tablets, blankets, clothing, tents and other housing, money, tools, first aid, etc.  it’s why we go into the poorest regions on earth and build fresh clean water wells, teach basic trade skills, and farming skills more advanced, provide micro loans, and build basic schools and hospitals in addition to the church or even without the church in areas we can’t proselytize.   People are more open to what we believe when we are there to help them meet their here and now needs and ease human suffering.  I’m not sure where you got the misconception about us that we don’t meet peoples mental and physical needs as well as their spiritual needs.  They all work together.  

 
 
 
TᵢG
10.1.16  TᵢG  replied to  MAGA @10.1.13    3 months ago
If people are living by the best light shown them they will not cling to things that has been shown to them as wrong.

Clinging to things that have been show to them as wrong is ironic.

 
 
 
MAGA
10.1.17  seeder  MAGA  replied to  CB @10.1.10    3 months ago

No one can be saved by doing works to the best of their ability.  Works are done because we grow in our relationship with God and want to please Him, not because we do them in order to save ourselves.  Best light shown is what we have learned and been shown by God in our lives.  So a person living outside of Israel before the cross or outside of where Christianity had spread after the cross in their lives will be individually saved if they have lived according to what they have been shown in their lives by God through whatever means He uses to do so.  People of every nationality and religion living by the best they have been shown will not cling to something that they’ve been shown is wrong.  There were believers as well after the flood and before Israel was created by God through Abraham to being the Messiah and salvation to the world. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
10.1.18  TᵢG  replied to  MAGA @10.1.14    3 months ago
Many will choose not to accept the gift to us all from the plan of salvation.  Pride, reason, and logic will get in the way.  

One can only hope that reason and logic will free people from ancient false beliefs.

 
 
 
CB
10.1.19  CB   replied to  MAGA @10.1.15    3 months ago
 I’m not sure where you got the misconception about us that we don’t meet peoples mental and physical needs as well as their spiritual needs.  They all work together.  

For a good work and set of behaviors, you can and will be praised, honored, and blessed. But, fundamentalist Christians are also intolerant, meddlesome, and trying to turn the government of the United States into governance oriented toward the fundamentalist Church! This has been going on for a century now.

 
 
 
CB
10.1.20  CB   replied to  MAGA @10.1.17    3 months ago

Somewhere in that comment, I take for granted you are stating that God can make a servant/follower of anybody God chooses (See Jeremiah even or the thief on the cross) at the 'appointed time.'

 
 
 
MAGA
10.1.21  seeder  MAGA  replied to  TᵢG @10.1.16    3 months ago

We will cling to an assurance of salvation and eternal life even while the proponents of logic and reason deny it will ever happen.  

 
 
 
TᵢG
10.1.22  TᵢG  replied to  MAGA @10.1.21    3 months ago
We will cling to an assurance of salvation and eternal life even while the proponents of logic and reason deny it will ever happen.  

Again you fail to understand the argument of your interlocutors.    It is not denial, it is lack of being convinced.   There is a major difference between denying something is true and being unconvinced it is true.   The former requires evidence (proof).   The latter is simply an honest statement about the lack of persuasive evidence.

Simply stated:  Denying that there is an afterlife requires evidence (proof really).   Noting that the concept of an afterlife has no supporting evidence is simply stating a fact.   Noting that one is thus not convinced an afterlife exists is just being honest (and logical).

 
 
 
MAGA
10.1.23  seeder  MAGA  replied to  CB @10.1.20    3 months ago

There is no one who ever lived who couldn’t have been saved.  There were and will be many who didn’t, wouldn’t, and won’t be.  

 
 
 
TᵢG
10.1.24  TᵢG  replied to  MAGA @10.1.23    3 months ago

How can you possibly know this?

 
 
 
MAGA
10.1.25  seeder  MAGA  replied to  TᵢG @10.1.22    3 months ago

Almost thou convinceth me to be a Christian.....You will never ever find the signs and wonders that you seek after.  People will believe by faith or they won’t.  Those that won’t will break down into some active opponents of the faith and many passive ones who just go about their lives trying to never take a side.  

 
 
 
Gordy327
10.1.26  Gordy327  replied to  MAGA @10.1.21    3 months ago
We will cling to an assurance of salvation and eternal life

Telling yourself feel good stories and such doesn't make them come true, no matter how much you want to believe otherwise.

even while the proponents of logic and reason deny it will ever happen.  

That's because proponents of logic and reason tend to think critically and not be gullible or willfully ignorant. So until you provide some evidence of your claim, we'll continue to deny and challenge them.

No one can be saved by doing works to the best of their ability.

And anyone who can think critically will immediately understand just how absurd and effed up of a system that is.

Works are done because we grow in our relationship with God and want to please Him

Kind of like how dogs want to please their owners.

Best light shown is what we have learned and been shown by God in our lives.

In other words, what you've convinced yourself of.

People of every nationality and religion living by the best they have been shown will not cling to something that they’ve been shown is wrong.

What makes you think you're right and everyone else is wrong? 

There were believers as well after the flood and before Israel was created by God through Abraham to being the Messiah and salvation to the world.

The flood you refer to never happened.

That’s where free will comes in.

Not possible with an omniscient, omnipotent god.

 Many will choose not to accept the gift to us all from the plan of salvation.  Pride, reason, and logic will get in the way.  

It's amazing how some reject logic and reasoning in favor or emotion and delusion. Choosing illogic is not logical.

You will never ever find the signs and wonders that you seek after.

That's because it doesn't exist. It's just imaginary nonsense.

People will believe by faith or they won’t.

And belief does not equal fact!

 Those that won’t will break down into some active opponents of the faith and many passive ones who just go about their lives trying to never take a side.  

It's not faith itself that some oppose. It's the absurd claims made based on faith.

 
 
 
Gordy327
10.1.27  Gordy327  replied to  TᵢG @10.1.24    3 months ago

Because he just makes it up as he goes along.

 
 
 
TᵢG
10.1.28  TᵢG  replied to  MAGA @10.1.25    3 months ago
You will never ever find the signs and wonders that you seek after.  People will believe by faith or they won’t.  

I agree.   Faith = believing something to be true based simply on other people merely claiming it is true.

That is a horrible method for finding truth.

 
 
 
Gordy327
10.1.29  Gordy327  replied to  TᵢG @10.1.28    3 months ago
That is a horrible method for finding truth.

But yet, some think they know the "truth" because they get their "truth" from a "holy" book or similar source. And anything which deviates from or contradicts that book must be rejected or perceived as wrong, and not the book. Go figure.

 
 
 
CB
10.1.30  CB   replied to  MAGA @10.1.23    3 months ago

That is the point, ultimately. God saves souls (or permits it not to be so). For those of us who belong to God are Gods. And none can remove us from God. So, why do you take a political stand with an unconfessed and unrepentant Donald Trump who does conservative bidding in an attempt to prune, whip, compel (by force), or box-in people who if they are ultimately to be revealed in God/Jesus will come in at their appointed time and not any instance sooner?

 
 
 
MAGA
10.1.31  seeder  MAGA  replied to  CB @10.1.30    3 months ago

Regardless of whether you believe Trump really is now a believer or in any way changed since he surrounded himself with religious leaders since he began running for President or not, how would electing Hillary have made anything better for us?  She agreed with next to nothing we believe and would have fought us on almost every given issue.  God has converted and used people in history who did far worse things than Trump ever did.  How can you be certain that God didn’t pick him to accomplish something advancing his will for us in this time?  

 
 
 
MAGA
10.1.32  seeder  MAGA  replied to  Gordy327 @10.1.29    3 months ago

that is correct.  

 
 
 
MAGA
10.1.33  seeder  MAGA  replied to  TᵢG @10.1.28    3 months ago

That’s interesting and everything but this  seed is about how that now the shutdown is the greatest potential tragedy facing America right now.  

 
 
 
TᵢG
10.1.34  TᵢG  replied to  MAGA @10.1.33    3 months ago

You opened the door:

HA @10.1.8 ☞ There is only one Heaven and everyone who ever lived to this point who has lived their lives according to the the best light they’ve been shown by the Holy Spirit regardless of the religion and society they were a part of most certainly will be in Heaven.  Politically liberal Christians who believe by faith and once a believer grow their relationship with God and act and do good works in order to please him will be saved.  Christina, Jews, Muslims who don’t let go of an repent all sins and cling to one or more even while outwardly professing belief will not be saved whether they are conservative or liberal.  For Christians there is The Bible.  The one I as a Protestant believe in and read has four gospels in the New Testament that reveal the life and mission of Jesus.  I’m not familiar with social gospels.  Are they related to Catholic liberation theology? 

 
 
 
Gordy327
10.1.35  Gordy327  replied to  MAGA @10.1.32    3 months ago
that is correct.

And that is also intellectually dishonest and cowardly.

how would electing Hillary have made anything better for us? 

I suppose we'll never know. But at least Hillary had for more experience and "qualifications" for the position of Presidency. 

She agreed with next to nothing we believe and would have fought us on almost every given issue.

So? Some people say the same thing about Trump.

How can you be certain that God didn’t pick him to accomplish something advancing his will for us in this time?  

How can you be certain he did? But god doing that negates any choice we have in selecting our leader. So much for free will.

 
 
 
CB
10.1.36  CB   replied to  MAGA @10.1.31    3 months ago

Listen. That is a dodge. Trump conservatives did not choose Trump from a collection of other conservative politicians because of Hillary Clinton. Just stop with the untrue scenario. Trump conservatives wanted this guy that will listen to your complaints about society and (finally) act—without compassion by the way, giving the results he is trying to provide you. That is why you are not just okay with Trump; y'all celebrate him daily.

As to what God's plans are with Trump or Hillary; my advice to you is stay with the tangible issues you can see and/or touch.

Finally, that was not the gist of @10.1.30. The question goes to why are conservatives like you fundamentally trying to 'corral' people into your worldview whether they want "in" or not?

 
 
 
MAGA
10.1.37  seeder  MAGA  replied to  TᵢG @10.1.34    3 months ago

And that was in response to something CB asked me because he tried to use religion to support his position regarding the lockdown vs restarting issue.  It was an A B conversation that you can C yourself out of.

 
 
 
TᵢG
10.1.38  TᵢG  replied to  MAGA @10.1.37    3 months ago

Does not matter from my perspective.   From my perspective you opened the door for my comment.   That is a fact.

 
 
 
MAGA
10.1.39  seeder  MAGA  replied to  CB @10.1.36    3 months ago

I’m not trying to corral anyone into anything.  I’m simply expressing my view point which is every bit as valid as anyone else’s.  Is advocating for a quicker restart of the economy and supporting protesters in states slow to re open corralling people to my world view?  Does the fact that conservatives express what we believe and use non mainstream media to do it force you into my world view or are you suggesting that there is no place here for people like me to express or share what it is that I believe or value?  

 
 
 
MAGA
10.1.40  seeder  MAGA  replied to  TᵢG @10.1.38    3 months ago

[Deleted.  Meta and a personal insult]

[HA, you cannot talk religion, then repeatedly flag comments regarding religion as off topic.  Continuing to do so may result in suspension of your ability to flag.]

 
 
 
CB
10.1.41  CB   replied to  MAGA @10.1.37    3 months ago

I am not TRYING to use religion to support anything that it can not support. After all, we all know (that is, we have been told) that God comes first in the life of a fundamentalist Christian, even if in other sects, and denominations too. So, how you want us to yield to some fantastic understanding that you can serve God equally and at the same time cordon off manna the compassionless ways and means of Donald Trump to get wealth and a good life is frankly inconsistent.

I am sure you have heard, read, and had explained to you that Jesus spoke of the 'salt that has lost it savor' and its worthlessness to 'the master' God.

 
 
 
CB
10.1.42  CB   replied to  MAGA @10.1.39    3 months ago

You are supporting Trump. You are supporting Fox News. By definition, you claim parity with their beliefs, attitudes, and policy prescriptions. Trump and Fox News are not looking for diversity or tolerance with other citizens in this country. Both parties, and I will go on to add the fundamentalists Church which supports this president and Fox News are looking to takeover near all of United States public policy for conservative principles, thought, and its ideologies, through and through.

Admit it, the conservative long-term strategic plan is to lead the liberals, progressives, secularists, scientists (even), and "others" categories out into the political wilderness and abandon them there! Shorn away from making public policy in science, religious-thought, or human/civil rights.

Time to tell it like it is! No (damn) chaser!

Trump's, Hannity's, Ingraham's, Carlson's, and Fox News' understanding of tolerance and diversity is to follow Donald Trump for as long as you can keep him in power and lead this great country into conservative politics, for its own sake. That is, allow Trump be an authoritarian leader in concert with the conservative movement and its affiliates. Nothing more added or removed.

 
 
 
TᵢG
10.1.43  TᵢG  replied to  MAGA @10.1.40    3 months ago

No, you have a few who will challenge claims of certainty that deserve a challenge.   For example, claiming that coronovirus is the product of Satan.

 
 
 
Gordy327
10.1.44  Gordy327  replied to  TᵢG @10.1.43    3 months ago
claiming that coronovirus is the product of Satan.

Let's not forget, even if the virus was caused by Satan, god allowed it and does nothing to eliminate it, as tens of thousands have already died from it. God seems rather inept at this whole deity thing.

 
 
 
Gordy327
10.1.45  Gordy327  replied to  MAGA @10.1.39    3 months ago
 I’m simply expressing my view point which is every bit as valid as anyone else’s.

Yeah, no! When you make claims like Covid was created by Satan, that's the exact opposite of a valid view point. 

 
 
 
MAGA
10.1.46  seeder  MAGA  replied to  CB @10.1.41    3 months ago

I really do not have real wealth.  It’s possible that I could be one of the least affluent members here.  

 
 
 
MAGA
10.1.47  seeder  MAGA  replied to  CB @10.1.42    3 months ago

If Trump was going to be an authoritarian leader the pandemic gave him the perfect opportunity to do it. He could have used it to impose all sorts of things due to the emergency.  He didn’t. He set up the federal government to create guide lines and to meet the needs of the states.  He did the opposite.  He did federalism as well as it could be done.  He only occasionally had to compel a company to produce something.  The dictatorial authoritarian control freak impulses came mostly from blue mayors and governors with god complexes along with two red governors.  It is progressives who resort to coercion to compel compliance against our will when they have the raw political power to do so. 

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
10.1.48  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  MAGA @10.1.47    3 months ago
If Trump was going to be an authoritarian leader the pandemic gave him the perfect opportunity to do it.

exactly.

  we would have "quarantine camps"  set up in the desert,  filled with liberals, progressives, socialists, and communists.

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
10.1.49  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  CB @10.1.42    3 months ago
Admit it, the conservative long-term strategic plan is to lead the liberals, progressives, secularists, scientists (even), and "others" categories out into the political wilderness and abandon them there!

Ummm no....  try this instead.

  the conservative long-term strategic plan is to lead the liberals, socialists, communists and progressives, out into the political wilderness and abandon them there!

I will gladly admit, today's leftwing ideology has no long term future in this country.

but trump is not leading that movement...  we are.   

 he is just the guy we elected, he will be gone in 5yrs.  and we will still be here. wait until you see our next trick.

bottom line?


you're not trapped in here with "trump,            you're trapped in here with us.

when the collective left is ready to die for their cause?  let us know.

until then? nothing but failure in the left's future..

the pen may be more mighty than a sword but the 2nd amendment was written with a pen.     think about that... LOL

 
 
 
CB
10.1.50  CB   replied to  MAGA @10.1.47    3 months ago

Stop spewing those well-rehearsed and rather sub-standard talking points. Trump is having his way with the pandemic! When he could not push through it; he rather rashly decided to ignore it wholesale. He took his 'ball' that is, himself-Pence-the CDC and in the manner of an autocrat left the field/stage. The states are left begging in the streets for funding to do federal government tasks of control and uniformity.

Many of you, Trump conservatives, who whisper in Trump's ear with a bull-horn, are dangerously cruel and authentically incompassionate people sold to an ideology.

 
 
 
MAGA
10.1.51  seeder  MAGA  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @10.1.48    3 months ago

That’s what some think trump or conservatives want to do when in reality it will be the above doing that to us less worthy people who resist their dogma.  

 
 
 
CB
10.1.52  CB   replied to  MAGA @10.1.46    3 months ago

Perhaps you after the trappings of power and influence then?  Rather than have me cast about for your reasons for being conservative, you can voluntarily share them any time you wish. Other than that; your politics speak volumes!

 
 
 
Texan1211
10.1.53  Texan1211  replied to  MAGA @10.1.40    3 months ago
Removed for context - sandy

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MAGA
10.1.54  seeder  MAGA  replied to  Texan1211 @10.1.53    3 months ago

Indeed.  And they see science, reason, and logic in that kind of behavior.  

 
 
 
MAGA
10.1.55  seeder  MAGA  replied to  CB @10.1.52    3 months ago

Why do I owe you an explanation as to why I became and am a conservative?  Why is it that when I do discuss what I believe you simply dismiss what I am for talking points?  My political outlook is mine and what it speaks is in the eye of the beholder.  The fact is that I am in the broad mainstream of evangelical Protestantism and the broad mainstream of populist conservatism.  

 
 
 
MAGA
10.1.56  seeder  MAGA  replied to  CB @10.1.52    3 months ago

I grew up thinking democrat.  Both of my parents were/are democrats.  My moms parents were democrats while my dads were Republicans.  We lived in proximity to my moms parents.  My parents were union democrats.  Where I lived and live now was overwhelmingly democrat.  I grew up liking Hubert Humphrey.  In grade school I set up a class room bulletin board for democrats and McGovern and led the pro Mc Govern debate team in class. I despised Nixon and celebrated his political demise and the 1974 effects.  Later those effects soured me on the party. All of my best friends growing up were/are Republicans. We discussed issues.  My parents were moderate union democrats in a heavily union area due to logging and lumber and paper mills along with medical and government worker unions.  The area while democrat was always strongly pro 2nd amendment and pro life.  When democrats had telethons on tv Redding often contributed more than some whole states to the party. After he retired as Governor Ronald Reagan had a radio commentary every morning just before we’d walk to school.  I’d disliked him before because he was a Republican but being open minded I wanted hear what the other side had to say.  

 
 
 
Gordy327
10.1.57  Gordy327  replied to  MAGA @10.1.54    3 months ago
And they see science, reason, and logic in that kind of behavior.  

More like some use science, logic, and reason to question and challenge baseless claims made, especially when said claims lack evidence and fly in the face of logic, reasoning, or established science. It's an objective way of observing and analyzing the world, rather than relying on emotion or subjective perspectives. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
10.1.58  TᵢG  replied to  Gordy327 @10.1.57    3 months ago

Some seek to know as many true things as possible while others seek to ‘know’ what is most comforting.

 
 
 
MAGA
10.1.59  seeder  MAGA  replied to  MAGA @10.1.56    3 months ago

As I listened to him what he was saying made sense to me and I was drawn to him.  I was still democrat but liked him. I supported him in his primary against Ford.  I liked senator Henry Scoop Jackson of Washington in my party. They both lost and I went back to Carter.  I was always a hawk regarding the Cold War as most union leaders were and supported a strong national defense.  When Carter promised to cancel the B-1 bomber and Peace keeper missile I told my friends that was the last straw and joined them in supporting Ford whom my parents also really liked.  I was torn until in Ca. there was proposition 13 about property taxes.  My parents supported that as did I.  I also liked Kemp and Roth and their tax proposals. I figured that Reagan would run again so I registered as a Republican to support that and because I didn’t like gov moonbeam.  My first vote was for prop. 13.  So I became a national defense and economic conservative.  I was a college Republican and full volunteer for Reagan locally.  By 1980 our county had grown a lot in population with a lot of people from Contra Costa and Orange counties relocating here. It went from overwhelmingly democrat to even from 1972-1980.  Now it’s overwhelmingly Republican.  So military and economic issues and Ronald Reagan made me from a democrat to a Reagan democrat to a Republican.  A conservative.  I have been one ever since.  Like Reagan said, I didn’t leave the democrat party, the democrat party left me.  I’m liberal for a Republican on certain issues but even those positions on race, immigration, and orientation while making me quite moderate on the authoritarian-libertarian graph at political compass but a bigot according to present democrat dogma. So, now you know how and why I became a conservative 

 
 
 
MAGA
10.1.60  seeder  MAGA  replied to  MAGA @10.1.40    3 months ago

The devil causing corona was never the topic of any religion talk here.  It was imported from a discussion on a locked seed.  

 
 
 
MAGA
10.1.61  seeder  MAGA  replied to  Texan1211 @10.1.53    3 months ago

Great post and right on.  Thanks for your support here

 
 
 
Gordy327
10.1.62  Gordy327  replied to  TᵢG @10.1.58    3 months ago
Some seek to know as many true things as possible while others seek to ‘know’ what is most comforting.

Indeed. And the difference between them is intellectual integrity and honesty.

 
 
 
Texan1211
10.1.63  Texan1211  replied to  MAGA @10.1.61    3 months ago

I took no pride in being correct.

Save yourself some grief--ignore the trash-talking. That is all most of it is, anyways, though it may come cloaked as "science, reason and logic". It still is nothing more than trash talk.

 
 
 
MAGA
10.1.64  seeder  MAGA  replied to  Texan1211 @10.1.63    3 months ago

You are correct about what it is and how it is cloaked. I will try to take your wise advice.  

 
 
 
CB
10.1.65  CB   replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @10.1.49    3 months ago

Your idol boast is ignorant. If you must talk through veiled threats - don't bother responding. "There is nothing to fear but fear itself." And The Magic Eight Ball nobody is going to kiss your ass to get along with you that I know.

I hope I am being plain and clear enough.

 
 
 
CB
10.1.66  CB   replied to  MAGA @10.1.55    3 months ago

You are tapped into the veins of fundamentalist Christianity, the republican party, and conservatism. There is for now, no daylight between you, the republican party, and Trump supporters. So you might as well admit it - your comment history already tells on you.

 
 
 
CB
10.1.67  CB   replied to  MAGA @10.1.64    3 months ago

Let's compare the wisdom of God together with your 1920 fundamentalism and its drive to 'own' the constitution. A document, by the way, owned by the citizens of the twenty-first century now. The first century citizens and the founders are all long since dead and not coming back to reunite with any of this!

 
 
 
MAGA
10.1.68  seeder  MAGA  replied to  CB @10.1.66    3 months ago

Notice that there was no mention of Religion in that history.  The changing of the fundamental and evangelical churches from support of no politics to supporting democrats to supporting Reagan had nothing to do with me becoming a Republican.  They were still all in for Carter when I started listening to Reagan.  By the time they abandoned Carter for Reagan I was already in the GOP as an economic and defense conservative.  I did welcome them as I liked the triad of economic, defense, social conservatives to broaden the tent and expand the appeal of conservatives.  While I am an evangelical, I prefer some separation of church and state so I’m still primarily an economic and defense conservative.  I am pro 2A and pro life and I became more open to populism with the Tea Party but still not into economic populism until after Trump became President.  

 
 
 
CB
10.1.69  CB   replied to  MAGA @10.1.68    3 months ago

You might have found a home of sorts in Falwell's Moral Majority and his views regarding this nation's economic and national security "crises." Then, there were the moral crises and the conservative held views concerning the "Other". . . .

 
 
 
MAGA
10.1.70  seeder  MAGA  replied to  CB @10.1.69    3 months ago

I’ve never been a part of the fundamentalist moral majority or the evangelical Christian coalition even though I’m sympathetic to some of the goals of each.  I tend to go with Cal Thomas who believes that some went too far in the here and now political world at the expense of the primary mission which is proselytizing and bringing the good news of salvation to all the world.  I agree with him that that is more important and that preaching along with alleviating human suffering via education, medical facilities, charities for multiple causes, is more important than political goals. 

 
 
 
CB
10.1.71  CB   replied to  MAGA @10.1.70    3 months ago

Falwell hailed to Evangelicalism mostly, yes? His organization successfully 'crashed' ahead of the formation of the Christian Coalition's start, nevertheless.  Trump is compassion-less as dictated by himself. His goals are completely political goals. How does Trump's goals comport with what you say of Cal Thomas?  Please elaborate.

 
 
 
MAGA
10.1.72  seeder  MAGA  replied to  CB @10.1.71    3 months ago

Falwell closed down moral majority for largely the reasons mentioned by Thomas.  Christian Coalition picked up where he left off until it’s founder used it to run for President himself.  It was active through the end of the 1990’s and has pretty much disappeared as well.  As to Trump, he’s my President, not my pastor.  He’s clearly secular oriented on most policy goals during his administration but he has done some very nice things that evangelical Christians supported  or asked him to do.  I support his as he led the effort against the pandemic, had days of prayer during it as well as relying on science and following an established game plan for dealing with it.  I’m grateful to him for starting the re open America restarting the economy movement and providing verbal, moral, and legal support for protesters where governments overreached.  That he supports pro life and is pro 2A and actively promotes religious liberty here and around the world, and that he is re making the federal judiciary is very nice too

 
 
 
CB
10.1.73  CB   replied to  MAGA @10.1.72    3 months ago

Well,  I can see you know your conservative policy stances and positions. While I can now plainly 'study' your personal policy of invoking the separation of church and state portion (with Trump), in this case, the separation is not consistent with a tenet of faith to not countenance a man or woman who repeatedly and generously lies and bears false witness against many neighbors, nevertheless. Also, our Christian faith is about the long haul and certainly not about expediency. Our faith instills patience and carefully bringing others along—if they come near at all.

Trump is a man of great impatience and a force multiplier.

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
10.1.74  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  CB @10.1.65    3 months ago
through veiled threats

when you figure out the difference between a threat and a promise?  you will be one more step ahead of the game.

I made no threats, just a promise.

today's leftwing progressive / socialist ideology has no future in this country without a full blown civil war first.

just like the sun coming up tomorrow - count on it.

but hey, if yall wanna fuk up a state like cali or ny?   go for it.

but the whole country? fuggedaboutit.

 
 
 
CB
10.1.75  CB   replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @10.1.74    3 months ago

Well, 'hiding' seems to be the trick you're pulling off now. Also, talk is cheap and freakishly boring. And you can stuff your threats of civil war. Many have tried before-unsuccessfully.

Nobody with any sense or courage is going to concede any ground to a sect of fake terrorists on U.S. soil.

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
10.1.76  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  CB @10.1.75    3 months ago
'hiding'

LOL newsflash... I have a life.   

 threats of civil war. Many have tried before-unsuccessfully.

far as I know we have only had one civil war...  if need be the next one will be against socialism.

but too be honest I dont think it will happen in any of our lifetimes 

progressives and socialists are going to be irrelevant for decades to come

 
 
 
CB
10.1.77  CB   replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @10.1.76    3 months ago

I'm done with you. Are you done with me? Yeah. You ARE done.

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
10.1.78  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  CB @10.1.77    3 months ago
Are you done with me?

every time you reply to me? 

I reply back,   you can count on that also.,

hint:   for best results, use that ignore feature

 
 
 
MAGA
10.1.79  seeder  MAGA  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @10.1.76    3 months ago

Some of them are showing their true colors during the re opening battles around the country.  The public is rejecting their control freak god complexes and defying them.  

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
10.1.80  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  MAGA @10.1.79    3 months ago
 The public is rejecting their control freak god complexes and defying them.  

yepp, I have been watching, 

 judges are overturning lockdowns as well.  Illinois and Wisconsin are leading the way.

im sure more to come.

showing their true colors during the re opening

turning blue voters red with anger.      those voters won't forgive or forget either.

it is like the left is committing political suicide, on purpose, in broad day light on national tv or something... 

don't they understand those governors are toast next election? and their state likely to turn red also?

but, progressives are regressive like that.   1 step forward and then 10 steps back

everything they have done for the last 12 yrs has backfired on them,   and they have yet to spot the trend... LOL

I mean, it is actually comical to watch :)

 
 
 
XDm9mm
10.1.81  XDm9mm  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @10.1.80    3 months ago
turning blue voters red with anger.      those voters won't forgive or forget either.

it is like the left is committing political suicide, on purpose, in broad day light on national tv or something... 

don't they understand those governors are toast next election? and their state likely to turn red also?

I mean, it is actually comical to watch

I see a BLUE WAVE coming.   Hell, even the New Jersey asshat governor backed down when the police wouldn't try to close a gym that had opened in public defiance.  Hell, Murphy boy even had SWAT there to force a close and, well, people are still working out.

Now Cuomo boy is doing everything he can to back pedal and open New York.  

Like you say, people will REMEMBER and they won't FORGIVE when the DEMOCRATS tried to wreck their individual businesses and lives and those of their employees.   They're proving they can open and still be safe without the nanny state telling them what they can or can't do.

 
 
 
CB
10.1.82  CB   replied to  MAGA @10.1.79    3 months ago

Sensationalism is Trump's forte. Is it Trump's supporters' also? (Can you see why I consider certain attitudes and expressions, "talking points"?)

Personal point of privilege: I really need Comcast 'local' to reopen as I need somethings from the branch - so looking forward to some coordinated open doors real soon!

 
 
 
CB
10.1.83  CB   replied to  XDm9mm @10.1.81    3 months ago

Clashing cymbals. The American "experiment' continues. . . .Whoopee do. We are a study in liberty, in times of crises. Makes me wonder how much longer any one will bother to want to hold public office. The 'rewards' are scant in this era of "cut-throat" and 'hang-person' politics.

As for as wrecking politicians, republicans and conservatives use SCORE CARDS (A+ through F-) to wreck individual careers and families projected upward movements. Talk about "hammering" and telling somebody what they can or can't do.

The hypocrisy is breathtakingly off-putting in here.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
10.1.84  XDm9mm  replied to  CB @10.1.82    3 months ago
Can you see why I consider certain attitudes and expressions, "talking points"?

Says the master of "talking points".

 
 
 
CB
10.1.85  CB   replied to  XDm9mm @10.1.84    3 months ago

Says you. Long processes cut short: This country works better if we all could get our collective politics coordinated and synch. Other wise recognized as: Working on one accord.

Instead, this country has for decades been walking down history's corridor like an intoxicated drunk. It is a wonder this experiment works at all; because we take so much for granted in our efforts to screw each other (group of people) over! Especially now. At least, one yahoo wants a civil war for crying out loud all by him or her self!

 
 
 
XDm9mm
10.1.86  XDm9mm  replied to  CB @10.1.83    3 months ago
As for as wrecking politicians, republicans and conservatives use SCORE CARDS (A+ through F-) to wreck individual careers and families projected upward movements.

While the Republicans and Conservatives might use score cards, the Democrats use the apparatus of government to pursue, persecute and prosecute any that dare to question them and then they wreck individuals and families.

Personally, I'll take the score card version.

 
 
 
CB
10.1.87  CB   replied to  XDm9mm @10.1.86    3 months ago

Yeah right. The SCORE CARD. It seems to work efficiently and keeping conservative/republicans toting the [line.deletedThey] truly ARE the voice of red states—y'all see to it. That and conservative talk jocks on the dial across the country 24/7. A republican politician is the public embodiment of your thought processes/policies. [deleted]

 
 
 
XDm9mm
10.1.88  XDm9mm  replied to  CB @10.1.87    3 months ago
Yeah right. The SCORE CARD. It seems to work efficiently and keeping conservative/republicans toting the line. At the cost of their integrity. They truly ARE the voice of red states—y'all see to it. That and conservative talk jocks on the dial across the country 24/7. A republican politician is the public embodiment of your thought processes/policies. That includes many of those lying, cheating, and deceptive professional 'traits' too.

Yet the master of talking points completely glossed over the salient fact that the Democrats have been caught with their hands in the cookie jar by using the apparatus of the federal government for persecuting and prosecuting political rivals.

THANKS FOR PLAYING!!!!

Oh, just for your personal edification.  I will submit the vast majority of the right are capable of individual cogent thought, unlike many of the lemmings of the left that need to be told what "talking points" they are to regurgitate on any given day on any given topic.

Oh, and what's this "y'all" shit you always seem to use?  None of the people I associate with use that term.  Or are you simply too lazy to type out you all?

 
 
 
CB
10.1.89  CB   replied to  XDm9mm @10.1.88    3 months ago

Yeah. Talking points and SCORE CARDS. Must have glanced a hardened nerve. Ouchie!  As to "y'all". . . just roll with it. Somebody somewhere on the planet gets it. Y'all can too! (See what I did there.) You would not be making fun of some people's drawl. That's elitist!

Alrighty then!

 
 
 
XDm9mm
10.1.90  XDm9mm  replied to  CB @10.1.89    3 months ago
Yeah. Talking points and SCORE CARDS. Must have glanced a hardened nerve. Ouchie! 

There is no nerve the likes of you could ever touch.  I've dealt with too many pseudo intellectual shitheads in my life to let any of them bother me now.

Go get some more talking points.  You're fighting a losing battle trying to annoy me.  I simply look at the source and laugh.

 
 
 
CB
10.1.91  CB   replied to  XDm9mm @10.1.90    3 months ago

I am not trying to annoy y'all, Xdm9mm. Nosirreebob. (Smile.) As for unjustifiable namecalling I will chock it up to character. As for what passes as laughter to you, I can guarantee you what "peppers" your belly is my least concern in the moment or at the end of a day.

 
 
 
MAGA
10.1.92  seeder  MAGA  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @10.1.80    3 months ago

And they think that they are turning states blue for November by their actions.  

 
 
 
MAGA
10.1.93  seeder  MAGA  replied to  CB @10.1.82    3 months ago

Why is it that every time one of us conservatives here says something here you refer dismissively to what we say as talking points as if we are too darn stupid to come up with what we say on our own? Inquiring minds want to know! 

 
 
 
CB
10.1.94  CB   replied to  MAGA @10.1.92    3 months ago

The question is: Are y'all turning states 'Red'?

 
 
 
MAGA
10.1.95  seeder  MAGA  replied to  XDm9mm @10.1.86    3 months ago

Plus there are groups like people for the American Way and Americans for democratic action that have their progressive score cards too

 
 
 
XDm9mm
10.1.96  XDm9mm  replied to  CB @10.1.91    3 months ago
I am not trying to annoy y'all, Xdm9mm. Nosirreebob. (Smile.) As for unjustifiable namecalling I will chock it up to character. As for what passes as laughter to you, I can guarantee you what "peppers" your belly is my least concern in the moment or at the end of a day.

Believe me, you're hardly annoying me.   I'm actually finding it amusing that the pseudo intellectual you profess to be thinks you can.   

Oh, your own version of racism is glaringly visible for all to see.  Just sayin'.

 
 
 
Texan1211
10.1.97  Texan1211  replied to  MAGA @10.1.93    3 months ago
Why is it that every time one of us conservatives here says something here you refer dismissively to what we say as talking points as if we are too darn stupid to come up with what we say on our own?

I find many pseudo-intellectuals tend to do that because it doesn't take any real effort.

 
 
 
CB
10.1.98  CB   replied to  XDm9mm @10.1.96    3 months ago

You're digressing. Unless you have something relevant for me. I m moving on. . . .

 
 
 
MAGA
10.1.100  seeder  MAGA  replied to  XDm9mm @10.1.81    3 months ago

i wish my gym would re open.  We could stay 6 feet apart and use precautions in the weights and aerobic machines areas as well as the massage beds and tanning rooms.  Bravo to the NJ gym owner!

 
 
 
XDm9mm
10.1.101  XDm9mm  replied to  CB @10.1.98    3 months ago

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MAGA
10.1.102  seeder  MAGA  replied to  Texan1211 @10.1.97    3 months ago

some try to justify it all in the name of science, reason, and logic.  

 
 
 
XDm9mm
10.1.103  XDm9mm  replied to  MAGA @10.1.100    3 months ago
i wish my gym would re open.

I'm quite surprised they aren't open.  Hell, they were practicing "social distancing" and sanitary measures LONG before this nonsense started.  Hell, it's been years as far as I know.

Except for someone spotting a heavyweight lifter, everyone was essentially alone with the equipment.  When they finished with the equipment, they used the provided cleaning wipes to wipe it down and clean it off for the next user.

Then off to the showers, which were cleaned after each use by the staff much like the showers over the road truckers use in truck stops.

Gyms were probably some of the cleanest places to go to.   Ok, fight clubs are a different story, but not too many people go to those places to volunteer to be pummeled by another.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
10.1.104  XDm9mm  replied to  Texan1211 @10.1.97    3 months ago
I find many pseudo-intellectuals tend to do that because it doesn't take any real effort.

And they can play racist while not being called out as racist while doing so!!  They do so love to play games.

 
 
 
CB
10.1.105  CB   replied to  MAGA @10.1.93    3 months ago

Because I read conservative articles, sites, and on occasion "research" conservative talk radio for what's happening. I have experience with conservative talking points, having been a type of conservative early on in my past, too.  (Smile.) I am an 'old hand' at this.

 
 
 
CB
10.1.106  CB   replied to  XDm9mm @10.1.104    3 months ago

Yes. Trump supporting republicans and conservatives do love their "perpetual crises," and dividing people over stupid political "rights and wrongs" perpetually.

 
 
 
MAGA
10.1.107  seeder  MAGA  replied to  CB @10.1.98    3 months ago

....Health and Human Services Sec. Alex Azar said on Sunday that so far there has been no spike in coronavirus cases in areas beginning to reopen. In fact, the secretary noted, the spikes we are seeing are happening in areas that remain closed. 

"We are seeing that in places that are opening, we’re not seeing this spike in cases," Sec. Azar said on CNN's State of the Union on Sunday. "We still see spikes in some areas that are, in fact, closed."

Sec. Azar touted the importance of good surveillance and testing in allowing states the ability to safely reopen. 

"First, we need to have good surveillance. So we need to look for influenza-like illness and other respiratory disease. We have a great surveillance system for that. We look for spikes and early indicators. We have adequate testing capacity. We need to make sure anybody who is symptomatic is tested and that we have adequate asymptomatic surveillance in areas of greatest burden," Sec. Azar said. 

The secretary also described the appropriate response once a spike in cases is detected in a localized area.... https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bronsonstocking/2020/05/17/hhs-secretary-no-coronavirus-spike-in-reopened-areas-only-closed-ones-n2568971

 
 
 
CB
10.1.108  CB   replied to  MAGA @10.1.107    3 months ago

You're digressing. This is a well-traveled area of discussion already.

 
 
 
MAGA
10.1.109  seeder  MAGA  replied to  CB @10.1.73    3 months ago

I’m glad that you recognize that I know conservative policies and my positions on the issues.  It beats the old comments about me bleating talking points of others.  That’s some progress.  

 
 
 
MAGA
10.1.110  seeder  MAGA  replied to  CB @10.1.75    3 months ago

Who are the people in this sect of fake terrorists on US soil? 

 
 
 
CB
10.1.111  CB   replied to  MAGA @10.1.109    3 months ago

What does one thing have to do with the other. You are part of the conservative 'network'? Yes or No? You post articles from across that 'spectrum'? Yes or No? You are a viewer of Fox News? Yes or No? Do you have subscriptions to conservative newsletters? Do you receive 'material resources'? Are you a 'member' in the Christian-Right?

Let's not waste time on digression.

 
 
 
CB
10.1.112  CB   replied to  MAGA @10.1.110    3 months ago

Direct your question to the [DELETED one] speaking about civil war. I would if I was you.

 
 
 
MAGA
10.1.113  seeder  MAGA  replied to  CB @10.1.111    3 months ago

I’m not part of any network. I did post articles from mainstream conservative news and opinion sites.  I am proudly a Fox News viewer.  I don’t subscribe to any newsletters.  I get no materials sent to me.  I am a Christian who happens to be a conservative.  I belong to no church based political organization.  Your point?  

 
 
 
MAGA
10.1.114  seeder  MAGA  replied to  CB @10.1.112    3 months ago

Don’t call another member a fake terrorist or an onboard terrorist on my seeds. It’s time to take the level of dialogue here in a more positive direction.  

 
 
 
CB
10.1.115  CB   replied to  MAGA @10.1.114    3 months ago

So this commenter provokes all of us with a new civil war on your thread:

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10.1.74   The Magic Eight Ball   replied to  CB @ 10.1.65     yesterday
t hrough veiled threats

when you figure out the difference between a threat and a promise?  you will be one more step ahead of the game.

I made no threats, just a promise.

today's leftwing progressive / socialist ideology has no future in this country without a full blown civil war first.

just like the sun coming up tomorrow - count on it.

but hey, if yall wanna fuk up a state like cali or ny?   go for it.

but the whole country? fuggedaboutit.

And I am the problem here? How are you 'grading' these comments?

 
 
 
CB
10.1.116  CB   replied to  MAGA @10.1.113    3 months ago

You can't prove it. After all, Trump has a 'church' of sort on his staff: The Christian Right. So you are indirectly associated. Fox News viewers get the 'blue-plate' Special of every 'thang.' You don't have to admit to it. It's okay. You're quoting Townhall, at 10.1.107.

Should I worry that you don't see the connective tissue? (Pearls clutching.)

 
 
 
MAGA
10.1.117  seeder  MAGA  replied to  CB @10.1.116    3 months ago

Town Hall is a valid news source.  One of our radio talk show stations locally has top of the hour news from Town Hall news and the other one has Fox Radio News.  

 
 
 
CB
10.1.118  CB   replied to  MAGA @10.1.117    3 months ago

Yeah. You're networked. Rather you call it that or not! Call it whatever you want. Freedom!

 
 
 
MAGA
10.1.119  seeder  MAGA  replied to  CB @10.1.118    3 months ago

That must be it!  Two conservative NewsTalk radio stations, access to the internet, access to Fox News, membership in the local Republican Party and the local Tea Party.  A conservative in a city and county in California that voted for Trump over Hillary by a 62%-29% margin.  

 
 
 
CB
10.1.120  CB   replied to  CB @10.1.115    3 months ago

Yeah, I thought so. Really don't need a light to see what is going on here, HA!

 
 
 
MAGA
11  seeder  MAGA    3 months ago

He said it yesterday and I saw nothing about his wise words here.  I seeded the article elsewhere.  

 
 
 
CB
11.1  CB   replied to  MAGA @11    3 months ago

Yes. A Trump official is speaking. One of those persons who he has not cut off the bottom of their garment or outright fired. One of the one's huddled around him under close scrutiny.

 
 
 
Gazoo
11.1.1  Gazoo  replied to  CB @11.1    3 months ago

You must be talking of those not loyal to him. If their loyalties lie elsewhere they need to go. I would say that about ANY president, not just Trump.

 
 
 
MAGA
11.1.2  seeder  MAGA  replied to  CB @11.1    3 months ago

What about what he said?  Any comment on that?  

 
 
 
CB
11.1.3  CB   replied to  MAGA @11.1.2    3 months ago

Trump won't let him speak a negative word free and clear. Were Azar to do so he would highly probably be take out and 'axed.' You know how this goes in Trump cult of personality. Thus, there is no trust extended to unvetted words from Trump loyalists. Rather true or false, Azar's words/claims are questionable until thoroughly tested. Therefore, I can neither verify or deny anything Azar has stated there.

 
 
 
CB
11.1.4  CB   replied to  Gazoo @11.1.1    3 months ago

There are loyalties and 'loyalties.' There is a rule of law in this country. Trump is not law unto himself, despite what he and his cult thinks about it.

 
 
 
Gazoo
11.1.5  Gazoo  replied to  CB @11.1.4    3 months ago

Trump is not law unto himself, despite what he and his cult thinks about it.”

Not sure where you got that. It sure wasn’t my comment. This isn’t about illegal activities or actions.

Let’s try an experiment. Go behind your boss’s back and undermine what he’s trying to accomplish. We can all place bets on how long it would be till you were unemployed.

or, let’s say you are the boss. You lay out your agenda and what you hope and expect to accomplish. Then you find out several subordinates are sabotaging your efforts. What do you do? Do you fire them? Or accept their sabotage as an “oh well” moment and keep them on your team? 

i know what i would do, what would you do, CB?

 
 
 
CB
11.1.6  CB   replied to  Gazoo @11.1.5    3 months ago

There is a flaw in your reasoning: Any president is not in the private sector while a servant of the people - evenso in the private sector there are over-arching rules and contract laws.

Trump is a public sector employee himself subject to rules and regulations involving Congress and case law. Something we could readily see and Trump experience were we able to have a neutral senate (not this one).  Federal employees, specifically career employees,have contracts with rules and contractual conditions too.

 
 
 
Gazoo
11.1.7  Gazoo  replied to  CB @11.1.6    3 months ago

No, my reasoning applies to the public and private sector. Insubordination usually results in the insubordinate getting fired, or resigning. It happens in the private sector, and the public sector. Trump is not the first president to fire anyone, and won’t be the last. Does the name Stanley McChrystal ring a bell?

 
 
 
CB
11.1.8  CB   replied to  Gazoo @11.1.7    3 months ago

You can not be an insubordinate federal worker if you are following the law and the duties and responsibilities of the job, Gazoo. 

 
 
 
Gazoo
11.1.9  Gazoo  replied to  CB @11.1.8    3 months ago

“You can not be an insubordinate federal worker if you are following the law and the duties and responsibilities of the job, Gazoo.”

that’s rather obvious. Why do you keep mentioning “the law?” A person can be insubordinate without breaking “the law.”

The problem of insubordination comes when one does not follow the “duties and responsibilities” of the job. In that case the superior has every right to fire the insubordinate whether it’s in the public or private sector.

 
 
 
MAGA
11.1.10  seeder  MAGA  replied to  Gazoo @11.1.9    3 months ago

He mentions the law because he assumes that Trump is always on the wrong side of it.  

 
 
 
CB
11.1.11  CB   replied to  MAGA @11.1.10    3 months ago

I mention law because it regulates federal rules and contracts. Duties and responsibilities are set in federal law (and guidelines). Please share with Gazoo.

Trump should not be 'selectively' throwing family folks out of jobs (during a pandemic and shutdown), because they do not fulfill a single whim of his. It's a problem that you don't consider the humanity involved here.

 
 
 
MAGA
11.1.12  seeder  MAGA  replied to  CB @11.1.11    3 months ago

I do consider the humanity of people forbidden to go back to work or restart their businesses because of unreasonable laws in a variety of places.  

 
 
 
Gazoo
11.1.13  Gazoo  replied to  CB @11.1.11    3 months ago

“Please share with Gazoo.”

now you have to converse with me through other people? Lol, whatever.

Your proxy shouldn’t bother because you do not get it and by the looks of it you never will so what’s the point? 

you let your hatred of Trump blind you to the fact that presidents actually fire people. It has happened many times in the past but you don’t seem to care about that, just orange man bad. Hell, even beijing biden recently said he wants people loyal to him around him,,,,,but that’s ok,,,,right? 

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
11.1.14  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Gazoo @11.1.13    3 months ago

this ig was doing his job, which is oversight, but yours, and all Trump defenders who shimmy under Barr via undersight not unseen, just obscene .

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All citizens as well As ENTIRE CONGRESS should be concerned, as forth firing of such, in 5 weeks.

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For one who claims he has Nothing to hide, as he NEVER does anything but "perfect' calls, the Orange Clown sure has to remove a lot of people around him...

 
 
 
CB
11.1.15  CB   replied to  MAGA @11.1.12    3 months ago

You should consider a 'host' of factors. You might if you had the job. Anybody can sit in the bleachers and jeer. On a positive note, y'all delivered your issues and got a good response. However, the problem is not letting it go to y'all's head.

Politics aside. The governor who is adeptly aware of the whole 'system' of California is taking more into account to formulate judgements/decisions/plans than what rural California thinks is good for its own self-interests.

That is not in anyway hard for an open-minded person to comprehend or be satisfied with.

 
 
 
CB
11.1.16  CB   replied to  Gazoo @11.1.13    3 months ago

Well Gazoo, the good news is I reckon he won't have to fire you during this pandemic or after it. Yay!

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
11.1.17  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  MAGA @11.1.12    3 months ago

320

 
 
 
CB
11.1.18  CB   replied to  igknorantzrulz @11.1.14    3 months ago

Thanks Ig,

Gazoo is blowing smoke up! They sit and spin shit all day long for Trump and let him kick innocent people around, because they are the bullies behind the bully. When you see Trump; you see the Gazoo's of this nation!

 
 
 
XDm9mm
11.1.19  XDm9mm  replied to  CB @11.1.15    3 months ago
Anybody can sit in the bleachers and jeer.

THAT'S fucking hysterical considering the source!!!

 
 
 
CB
11.1.20  CB   replied to  XDm9mm @11.1.19    3 months ago

Yeah, well did Trump's pandemic plan call for a perfunctory national shutdown and 2 trillion dollars in business and public checks to the citizenry? Schools shut down from coast to coast? You can elaborate after your 'hysterics.'

 
 
 
MAGA
11.1.21  seeder  MAGA  replied to  CB @11.1.15    3 months ago

Our governor who is going to lay off police and firefighters first responders first and cut aid to the elderly poor and disabled first along with education next if the President and Congress don’t come through with all the money for the states that he’s holding them hostage for.  But he can still find money to give cash to illegal aliens regardless.  I loved the sign from protesters outside his home that said, “bow down to his majesty”. 

 
 
 
MAGA
11.1.22  seeder  MAGA  replied to  CB @11.1.15    3 months ago

‘Reopen’ protesters use bullhorn to crash Shasta County board meeting

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(Photo: Damon Arthur/Record Searchlight)

Dozens of protesters crashed the Shasta County Board of Supervisors meeting Tuesday with one of them using a bullhorn to read a statement urging the board to ease restrictions on businesses and public gatherings during the coronavirus outbreak.

After she was denied a chance to speak to the board, Elissa McEuen stood outside the meeting room and loudly implored the board to ease COVID-19 restrictions.

“We, the people of Shasta County, are gathered here today in a peaceful assembly to appeal to our Shasta County Board of Supervisors to defend our constitutional rights as reserved to us, the people, by our Bill of Rights,” McEuen said, speaking into a bullhorn and talking through the glass partition separating the meeting room from the foyer outside.

County Counsel Rubin Cruse explained the rules governing public comments during the coronavirus restrictions. Visitors are not allowed to sit in the board chambers during meetings because of social distancing restrictions, so the supervisors took written public comments during the meeting.

Those comments were then read by the board clerk while McEuen and about 30 other people stood outside in the foyer holding signs.

Back in March, Gov. Gavin Newsom issued an edict to close schools and numerous businesses and ordered people to stay home except for essential activities.

He also ordered that no large gatherings be held to ensure people keep at least 6 feet apart to prevent the spread of the disease which has killed more than 3,300 people statewide.

Just this week, though, the governor announced easing some of the restrictions, allowing some businesses and other activities to reopen, such as some offices and counseling services in places of worship, curbside libraries and drive-in movies.

But most businesses remain closed.

At the board meeting Tuesday, deputy board clerk Mary Williams read many of the 72 letters sent in urging the board to ease restrictions on businesses and public gatherings. When Williams finished, Supervisor Les Baugh said he received a letter from McEuen, who wanted to read a statement at the meeting.

?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.gannett-cdn.com%2Fpresto%2F2020%2F05%2F19%2FPRRS%2F508f7604-96a1-41df-be53-ad40fca525e7-IMG_9378.jpg%3Fwidth%3D540%26height%3D%26fit%3Dbounds%26auto%3Dwebp&w=1280 Dozens of people met outside the Shasta County Board of Supervisors meeting room to urge the board to ease restrictions on people, schools and businesses.

Board Chairwoman Mary Rickert denied the request, saying it would be unfair to others who were not allowed to personally address the board.

Baugh, however, asked the board to relent and allow McEuen to speak. He noted that Jake Mangas, president and CEO of the Redding Chamber of Commerce, was allowed to call in by phone and address the board.

“We don’t meet for two more weeks. These folks are here,” Baugh said. “They have requested that they address us. I think it’s appropriate we respect the legal advice of our counsel, but we all know that we have the ability to say yes.

“We don’t have to ask the governor of the state of California or our lead counsel. We can say, ‘We can hear you today,’ and there’s nothing wrong with hearing our citizens,” Baugh said, drawing cheers from the group watching through the glass.

The remarks, however, triggered a terse exchange between Baugh, Rickert and Supervisor Leonard Moty.

“Is your grandstand play over now?” Moty said.

“This has nothing to do with me,” Baugh said.

“Oh, Mr. Baugh, it has everything to do with you,” Rickert shot back.

Tuesday's meeting marked the second time this month that Baugh has stood in a squall of controversy.

The supervisor from Anderson got blasted earlier this month when residents criticized him for a bragging in a Facebook post about getting his hair cut at a local barbershop, in defiance of state orders to close them down.

Rickert tried to get back to the meeting agenda, but didn't get far.

“Alright we’re going to move on to the consent calendar. I’m happy to talk to any representative that contacts me,” Rickert said.

But Baugh interrupted her.

“Mary, this is not my orchestration. Folks, did I contact any of you to do this?” he said to the group still peering through the glass?

“Mr. Baugh, I’ve seen emails with your name on them that you’re part of this,” Rickert said.

“It’s just not true,” he said.

“I’m sorry, I’ve seen the emails. … This is ridiculous we need to conduct a meeting,” she said.

At that point Supervisor Steve Morgan asked if McEuen could phone in and read her statement. When Rickert tried to continue the meeting, McEuen picked up her bullhorn and began reading out loud, facing the glass partition.

“According to the authority granted to us, the people, we affirm that Shasta County is open. Now, it’s your turn, take a vote and open Shasta County now. Do not delay another hour, another day. Do your sworn duty and secure our rights,” McEuen said.

But the board did not vote to open the county.

The meeting, however, didn’t go on much longer, and after McEuen finished giving her statement the board took a break. Rickert, escorted by Sheriff Eric Magrini, went out into the foyer and met with McEuen. The two talked and Rickert offered to meet with her personally.

After most of the protesters left the building, the board continued to discuss the coronavirus’ impact on the county. Rickert said she hoped the group would have stayed behind to hear the rest of the meeting.

“I again want to apologize for my lack of decorum. It was not typical of my behavior, but I apologize but emotions have been running high,” she said.

 
 
 
MAGA
11.1.23  seeder  MAGA  replied to  MAGA @11.1.22    3 months ago
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Protesters use megaphone to ask Shasta County Supervisors to ease coronavirus restrictions.

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MAGA
11.1.24  seeder  MAGA  replied to  CB @11.1.16    3 months ago
 
 
 
CB
11.1.25  CB   replied to  MAGA @11.1.24    3 months ago

Okay! That was good for you - was it good for you? I knew you were 'rapt' in propaganda!

Did You know. In the inverse: If you sit and watch a shit pile long enough, you could find something POSITIVE to say about it?

Did You know. In the inverse: If you sit and watch a blue sky long enough, you could find something NEGATIVE to say about it?

 
 
 
MAGA
11.1.26  seeder  MAGA  replied to  CB @11.1.25    3 months ago

You didn’t know that conservatives have and can use a sense of humor? 

 
 
 
CB
11.1.27  CB   replied to  MAGA @11.1.26    3 months ago

Propaganda-minted minds, you mean?

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RECLAIM your space! End Trump 'bots' —or is it the other way around?

 
 
 
MAGA
11.1.28  seeder  MAGA  replied to  CB @11.1.27    3 months ago

Worship is Essential: President Trump Vows to Override Governors on Religious Liberty

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Source: (AP Photo/Alex Brandon)

Speaking from the White House Friday afternoon, President Donald Trump announced houses of worship have been classified as essential services by the federal government.  

"At my direction the Centers for Disease Control and prevention is issuing guidance for communities of faith," Trump said. "Today I am identifying houses of worship, churches, synagogues and mosques as essential places that provide essential services. Some governors have deemed liquor stores and abortion clinics as essential but have left out churches and other houses of worship. It's not right. So I'm correcting this injustice and calling houses of worship essential." 

"I call upon governors to allow our churches and places of worship to open right now. If there's any question, they're going to have to call me but they're not going to be successful in that call. These are places that hold our society together and keep our people united. The people are demanding to go to church and synagogues, go to their mosque. Many millions of Americans embrace worship as an essential part of life. The ministers, pastors, rabbis, imams and other faith leaders will make sure their congregations are safe as they gather and pray. I know them well, they love their congregations, they love their people. They don't want anything bad to happen to them or to anybody else," he continued. "The governors need to do the right thing and allow these very important, essential places of faith to open right now, for this weekend. If they don't do it, I will override the governors. In America we need more prayers, not less." 

A number of Democrat  governors around the country have continually limited and cracked down on religious services, even while congregations practiced social distancing. Some pastors have been told their rights have been "suspended" under stay-at-home orders. 

Throughout the course of the Wuhan coronavirus pandemic, Attorney General Bill Barr has filed a number of legal suits against local governors infringing upon religious liberty. 

 
 
 
CB
11.1.29  CB   replied to  MAGA @11.1.28    3 months ago

Er yes, Townhall "issue" again! So much for 'my own thoughts and no one else involved.'

Does Trump have authority to make governors open up churches? Point me to the law involved, please.

For the record, I happen to know some pastors who do not appreciate this "heat" from so-called evangelicals against their congregations. "Many" Christians approve of the wisdom involved in not getting out ahead of good health standards and practice over attempts at vain-glorious freedoms during a pandemic. "Many" Christian leaders love their flock enough to 'shut the gate, until the storm has passed and a comprehensive all-clear is sounded."

Personal note: Heartland American, I am not sure why you pushed this at me per se, because I strolled this thread and it is specifically about Christian-Right propaganda cartoons and their lack of appropriateness for the situation we are in. Those cartoons you are displaying.

If you wish to engage on the matters of spirituality and what God loves, and what is good and proper for the people of God (in Jesus) by all means, let's 'sharpen' one another. I welcome it. (Smile.)

 
 
 
CB
11.1.30  CB   replied to  MAGA @11.1.28    3 months ago

What you won't have this memorial weekend religious experience is any pixs of Donald Trump in a Sunday service at a church!

Trump is signaling to you to go 'viral' with your church "freedom-expressions" religious organizations. I can liken it to Trump's appearances without any mask in public everywhere he goes.  Trump is signing to you all (y'all). And you are expected to 'sign' back! Trump takes hydroxychloroquine and expects you should buoy up his stance of this drug—ditto.

What do you say? Go on mimic "He-Man" Trump and become your very own "He-Man & He-Woman"!

NOTE: NT have expectations of pixs from the church services this memorial Sunday! And Bible Study Tuesday.  Report! You can blur the faces. . . .

 
 
 
MAGA
11.1.31  seeder  MAGA  replied to  CB @11.1.29    3 months ago

The real issue is whether mayors or governors had the right to trample upon 1st amendment free exercise federal rights that are applied to the states in the first place.  Most churches were willing to voluntarily stop meeting in large groups at the beginning.  The Supreme Court must answer whether any government compulsory ban against meeting under any circumstances including social distancing was constitutional in the first place

 
 
 
MAGA
11.1.32  seeder  MAGA  replied to  CB @11.1.29    3 months ago

You do realize that this article was available on virtually every media? Would you had preferred the Christian Post? There was no significant difference between those two and Fox and Newsmax. Do you think that God is opposed to us meeting together to worship him, praise Him, and pray to him using social distancing and precautions? This whole series of events is like a warm up to the very real persecution genuine Christianity will face in the last days as the counterfeit appears...

 
 
 
CB
11.1.33  CB   replied to  MAGA @11.1.31    3 months ago

So. . . the question is. . . this: Do Trump conservatives intend to make "a federal case" out of every issue they oppose, regardless of nuance or details?

If in your heart of heart you believe that even conservative judges and justices are prone to letting this country slip back into a hodge-podge of discriminatory practices and tribalisms, one of us is in for a rude awakening before we depart this planet.

Keep this in mind, you can only push the people and its constitution so far before they and it began to stress, and/or come apart at the seams.

This notion that a leader locally and nationally can not exercise discretion in a time of natural or induced emergency no matter how open-ended, in the interest of saving life and property and not just property.

Churches are in a special class under the constitution; however, the members of churches are not in a special class.

 
 
 
CB
11.1.34  CB   replied to  MAGA @11.1.32    3 months ago

It was you who @10.1.93 wrote:

Why is it that every time one of us conservatives here says something here you refer dismissively to what we say as talking points as if we are too darn stupid to come up with what we say on our own? Inquiring minds want to know! 

And then you squandered the moment with overly-indulged propaganda cartoons and defensive statements about the value of Townhall and Fox News and the like. A clear demonstration that you do have connective tissue to conservative talking points, themes, and attitudes.

The churches can use precautions and other determinants to come together in a congregational setting. However, the State needs to follow its guidelines too—whatever they are. The church is a responsible "citizen" of the state; the state is a responsible entity to its constituents.

You are being melodramatic The 'last days' are not coming based on any metric or set of factors you or I can imagine or sequin together. Better to leave the "appointed times," as Jesus left them: In the mind of God-the Father.

 
 
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