A left Wing Power Surge and the New Order

  
By:  Vic Eldred  •  3 weeks ago  •  158 comments


A left Wing Power Surge and the New Order
“I will have an executive order very shortly. And all it’s really going to do is reinforce what’s already there, but in a more uniform way,” Trump said.

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Since the death of George Floyd the nation has had to endure murder, rioting, looting and vandalism. We have seen statues of all kinds torn down including that of US Grant. A six block section of Seattle is still in the hands of radical extremists. All of it happening in large cities controlled by progressive mayors who are willing accomplices to the radical elements wreaking havoc in their cities. Police forces have been emasculated and ordered to stand by while the demonstrators took total control of the streets.To cap it all of we had yet another "hate-crime" hoax. Thus far it would seem that only the President and the AG are willing to protect life & property. Rioting and arson are federal crimes (you'd never know it!) and 51 individuals have thus far been arrested.

So what can the President do or what should he do?

He has a few arrows in the quiver:


The “Veterans’ Memorial Preservation and Recognition Act of 2003”


18 U.S. Code
  § 1369.
Destruction of veterans’ memorials

(a) Whoever, in a circumstance described in subsection (b), willfully injures or destroys, or attempts to injure or destroy, any structure, plaque, statue, or other monument on public property commemorating the service of any person or persons in the armed forces of the United States shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 10 years, or both.




(b) A circumstance described in this subsection is that—



(1)

in committing the offense described in subsection (a), the defendant travels or causes another to travel in interstate or foreign commerce, or uses the mail or an instrumentality of interstate or foreign commerce; or




(2)

the structure, plaque, statue, or other monument described in subsection (a) is located on property owned by, or under the jurisdiction of, the Federal Government.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1369


Please note the text does not even mention whether the statues were for American veterans who fought for the Confederacy. Not that it matters since a statue of US Grant was recently pulled down. 


Nationalizing the Guard

The President also has the precedent of nationalizing the guard to protect American lives and property. In our nation's history the military has been deployed domestically. The most recent was when Barak Obama deployed 1,200 National Guard troops to the Mexican border in 2010 to help combat drug trafficking and to protect American lives. Most notable would be when President Eisenhower used an executive order to send troops to Little Rock, AR in 1957 to enforce the integration of Central High School. That leads us to the imminent executive order that President Trump is expected to issue. The President has thus far been hesitant to act. That reluctance could be tied to the heavy resistance this President usually faces, especially along these lines, where the left wing media charges him with using authoritarian measures against what they keep claiming to be "peaceful protests" or maybe the President is simply calculating how much the American people are craving for some law & order.


What we know from history:

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The so-called "Bonus Expeditionary Force"

That craving for law & order may lead to something yet unforeseen. Of the 5 times the military was used domestically was a very peculiar one from July of 1930. A protest by unemployed veterans (called the "Bonus Army", 15,000 strong) had taken up residence (set up camp) near the government district of Washington DC. Sound familiar? Their demand - the payment of a war bonus promised them by Congress. They too had been infiltrated by left wing agitators, who violently took on the local police. People were frightened by the violence in their midst. The Hoover administration decided to respond with the military, but was careful to select a WW1 hero (winner of 7 Silver Stars - a record + 2 Purple Hearts) to lead the troops with specific instructions on the handling of veterans. 

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General Douglas MacArthur

The General's name was MacArthur and he responded with a reactionary zeal as he led infantry, cavalry and light tanks into DC. He chased the protesters right down Pennsylvania Avenue between the White House and the Capitol, right back to their encampment, which he destroyed. The fire from the obliterated encampment raged all night. The residents of DC breathed a sigh of relief. Gen MacArthur soon called for a press conference in which he proclaimed there had been no serious injuries. There had actually been approximately two dozen, including the death of an infant who died from the tear gas. MacArthur had also disregarded every one of the explicit orders from president Hoover. MacArthur could have entered politics at that point. He would have had a large following.

As much as the left thinks they hate this President, they have set events in motion that pave the way for somebody who will be their true enemy. 

I'm waiting for it. 







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Vic Eldred
1  author  Vic Eldred    3 weeks ago

The line must be drawn by a civil society.

 
 
 
cjcold
1.1  cjcold  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    3 weeks ago

This liberal ex EPA enforcer, ex environmental scientist, Ex paramedic, ex musician, has drawn a line. Which side of it are you on?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
1.1.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  cjcold @1.1    3 weeks ago

We are talking about rampant violence.

 
 
 
Sparty On
1.1.2  Sparty On  replied to  cjcold @1.1    3 weeks ago

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Tessylo
1.1.3  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.1    2 weeks ago

'We are talking about rampant violence.'

Which is quite prevalent among the 'right'.

It's been well documented all the 'right wing' agitators amongst these protests.  Being paid for by this criminal enterprise of an 'administration'.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
1.1.4  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @1.1.3    2 weeks ago
Which is quite prevalent among the 'right'.

Why aren't they taking advantage of this?  I mean one grenade tossed into Chaz/Chop could do a lot of damage.


It's been well documented all the 'right wing' agitators amongst these protests. 

Documented but largely unseen.


What about my question?

Are you a Biden supporter?

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
1.1.5  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tessylo @1.1.3    2 weeks ago
It's been well documented all the 'right wing' agitators amongst these protests.  Being paid for by this criminal enterprise of an 'administration'.

Then produce the "documentation"........................or.......

 
 
 
1stwarrior
1.1.6  1stwarrior  replied to  Tessylo @1.1.3    2 weeks ago

384

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
1.1.7  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  1stwarrior @1.1.6    2 weeks ago

I don't know where you found it but I love that pic. Especially the contrast between the clean-cut father and son and the rioter in the background.

 
 
 
1776  Traditional American
1.1.8  1776 Traditional American  replied to  Sparty On @1.1.2    2 weeks ago

Thanks for the great and valuable post.  Clearly it had the desired effect...

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.1.9  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.7    2 weeks ago

Isn't that meme off topic?

I thought you wanted a discussion?

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.1.10  Tessylo  replied to  1776 Traditional American @1.1.8    2 weeks ago

'Thanks for the great and valuable post.  Clearly it had the desired effect...'

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1776  Traditional American
1.1.11  1776 Traditional American  replied to  Tessylo @1.1.10    2 weeks ago

If it was an insult it would have been a skirting or full coc.  It really was a point made that progressives didn’t like, thus the 10 votes up.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.1.12  Tessylo  replied to  1776 Traditional American @1.1.11    2 weeks ago

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Sounds like cjcold is a man of experience in many arenas, how about you?

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Vic Eldred
1.1.13  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @1.1.9    2 weeks ago
Isn't that meme off topic?

The author decides what is on/off topic. Not you or your friends.

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.2  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    2 weeks ago

Boy, Joe Biden sure has you guys frightened.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
1.2.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @1.2    2 weeks ago

We're all shakin'

 
 
 
Sparty On
1.2.2  Sparty On  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.1    2 weeks ago

I'm shakin like a Polaroid picture .......

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
1.4  Freedom Warrior  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    2 weeks ago

Why do you suppose it is that left wing lunacy knows no boundaries?

They are very clear on the right yet again we find example after example of Democrats and their far left cohort venturing we’ll beyond the bounds of decency into gross acts of Sedition and violence often with no shame or condemnation but rather tacit if not outrageously over the top support.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
1.4.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Freedom Warrior @1.4    2 weeks ago

Simple - they get away with it.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2  JohnRussell    3 weeks ago

What a hysterical article. It practically parodies itself. 

Since the death of George Floyd the nation has had to endure murder, rioting, looting and vandalism. We have seen statues of all kinds torn down including that of US Grant. A six block section of Seattle is still in the hands of radical extremists. All of it happening in large cities controlled by progressive mayors who are willing accomplices to the radical elements wreaking havoc in their cities. Police forces have been emasculated and ordered to stand by while the demonstrators took total control of the streets.To cap it all of we had yet another "hate-crime" hoax. Thus far it would seem that only the President and the AG are willing to protect life & property. Rioting and arson are federal crimes (you'd never know it!) and 51 individuals have thus far been arrested.

As for the "Bonus Army" removal in 1932 by MacArthur, go the library and take out the book  "The Glory And The Dream" by William Manchester. It has an extended section about the Bonus Army.  After reading it I doubt you will see MacArthur's actions as so heroic anymore. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
2.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @2    3 weeks ago
After reading it I doubt you will see MacArthur's actions as so heroic anymore. 

I never claimed the removal of the bonus army was "heroic."


You missed the point completely!  Lincoln said it best: “the lawless in spirit…to become lawless in practice,” and then leave good citizens with no choice but to become lawless in their own defense. “

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.1.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1    3 weeks ago
From his White House window the President saw the glow in the eastern sky and demanded to know what had happened. To  Eisenhower “the whole scene was pitiful. The veterans, whether or not they were mistaken in marching on 
Washington, were ragged, ill-fed, and felt themselves badly abused. To suddenly see the whole encampment 
going up in flames just added to the pity one had to feel for them.” 

The major’s compassion wasn’t universal. Seven-year-old Eugene King, a vet’s son, tried to rescue his pet 
rabbit from the family tent. “Get out of here, you little son-of-a-bitch,” said an infantryman, and before the boy 
could move, the soldier ran a bayonet through his leg. Again ambulances raced the two miles from Gallinger 
Hospital. There were over a hundred casualties. Two babies were dead of gas, and the angry editor of the BEF 
newspaper suggested the epitaph for one: “Here lies Bernard Myers, aged three months, gassed to death by 
order of President Hoover.” That was unfair, but the veterans were bitter. They had seen soldiers pouring gaso- 
line on their huts while well-to-do Washingtonians in yachts cruised close to look at the show. And at 11:15 P.M. 
they had watched Major George S. Patton Jr. lead his cavalrymen in a final destructive charge. Among the 
ragged bonus marchers routed by their sabers was Joseph T. Angelino, who, on September 26, 1918, had won 
the Distinguished Service Cross in the Argonne Forest for saving the life of a young officer named George S. 
Patton Jr. 
 
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Major Eisenhower advised his chief to avoid newspaper reporters; this operation had been more political than 
military, he continued to argue, and the politicians should do the talking. MacArthur shook his head. He en- 
joyed talking to the press. Furthermore, whether he liked it or not—it seems quite clear that he relished it—his 
decision to cross the Anacostia had put him squarely in the middle of presidential politics. At fifteen minutes 
past midnight he appeared before reporters with Secretary of War Hurley. From the outset his strategy was 
obvious: he disclaimed responsibility and praised Hoover for shouldering it. “Had the President not acted 
within twenty-four hours, he would have been faced with a very grave situation, which would have caused a real 
battle,” the general said. “Had he waited another week, I believe the institutions of our government would have 
been severely threatened.” Secretary Hurley added, “It was a great victory. Mac did a great job; he’s the man of 
the hour.” He paused thoughtfully and added, “But I must not make any heroes just now.” 

The real problem was the making of martyrs. Hounding men who fought for their country was not a political 
master stroke. Already sympathizers were offering the BEF farmland in Maryland and Virginia. Senators Hugo 
Black of Alabama, William Borah of Idaho, and Hiram Johnson of California were deeply shocked by the Army’s 
behavior, and Representative Fiorello La Guardia of New York wired the President, “Soup is cheaper than tear 
gas bombs and bread is better than bullets in maintaining law and order in these times of Depression, unem- 
ployment, and hunger.” General MacArthur dealt with this problem in an aside. The BEF were “insurrec- 
tionists,” not ex-soldiers, he said. “If there was one man in ten in that group who is a veteran it would surprise 
me.” 

At the White House, which had announced that the President was staying up “until a late hour getting bul- 
letins from the Bonus Army front,” discrediting the BEF became the official line. Later Hoover would have pri- 
vate words of reproach for his insubordinate general, but now he declared that the bonus marchers were “not 
veterans,” that they were “Communists and persons with criminal records.” The percentage of nonveterans var- 
ied from spokesman to spokesman. MacArthur had put it at 90 percent. Hurley thought it was about 33 per- 
cent. Then Hoover wrote an American Legion post in Boston that it was his “impression” that “less than half of 
them ever served under the American flag.” General Glassford protested that this was untrue, thereby assuring 
his early retirement in October. Some of the dirt was bound to stick. In an extraordinary charge to a Wash- 
ington grand jury the day after the rioting, a member of the District Court said, “It is reported that the mob 
guilty of actual violence included few ex-service men and was made up mainly of Communists and other disor- 
derly elements. I hope you will find that it is so and that few men who have worn the nation’s uniform engaged 
in this violent attack upon law and order.” 

Unfortunately for the Hoover administration’s place in history, no one thought to check with the Veterans 
Administration. Before the BEF attacked law and order by becoming the targets of a gas attack, the VA had 
completed an exhaustive survey of its membership. According to the VA figures, 94 percent of the bonus 
marchers had Army or Navy records, 67 percent had served overseas, and 20 percent had been disabled. 
Glassford and the ragged men he had championed were vindicated.

The Glory And The Dream by William Manchester
 
 
 
Vic Eldred
2.1.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.1    3 weeks ago

I don't know why you are posting this?

You are missing the point!

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.1.3  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.2    3 weeks ago

I know what your point is, you think the military should be attacking protesters like they did in 1932. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
2.1.4  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.3    3 weeks ago
I know what your point is, you think the military should be attacking protesters like they did in 1932.

That is not my point!

My point is that the riots and everything else the radical left has done in the past month is going to produce a reactionary backlash! The point of my story is that you may be producing a national hero/figure that will use authoritarian means to bring an end to the near revolution/reformation we have seen from the left.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
2.1.5  Greg Jones  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.4    3 weeks ago

The Democrats are rapidly gaining the dubious distinction of being the party of destruction, violence, and hate.

I seriously doubt that a majority of Americans will want to put an old guy with dementia, Biden, in the WH to deal

with this serious mess that the left and their disgusting supporters have created.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
2.1.6  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Greg Jones @2.1.5    3 weeks ago

I can't see it either. Perhaps they should expand the polling. Maybe start polling those "essential" workers for a change!

 
 
 
Dulay
2.1.7  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.6    2 weeks ago
I can't see it either. Perhaps they should expand the polling. Maybe start polling those "essential" workers for a change!

Oh let's DO poll the essential workers, Medical staff working 24/7 without proper PPE or necessary testing supplies while Trump LIES about the virus, meat processing workers FORCED back to work without proper PPE while Trump waters down OSHA oversight, grocery store employees required to work without proper PPE while Trump bullies his sycophants into shopping without wearing masks. . 

 
 
 
Sparty On
2.1.8  Sparty On  replied to  Dulay @2.1.7    2 weeks ago

I have numerous friends and family that are doctors and nurses working in local hospitals.   Not one of them has gone without proper PPE during this entire pandemic.   Not one.   Now some of their fellow employees "claim" they were forced to work without proper PPE.   That's what they claim.

That says it all right there ..... some of the TDS ridden are lying their asses off on that as well.

 
 
 
Tessylo
2.1.9  Tessylo  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.3    2 weeks ago
'I know what your point is, you think the military should be attacking protesters like they did in 1932.'

That's what the police and the military have been doing with these current protests

 
 
 
Tessylo
2.1.10  Tessylo  replied to  Greg Jones @2.1.5    2 weeks ago
'The Democrats are rapidly gaining the dubious distinction of being the party of destruction, violence, and hate.'

NO.  That's what tRump/the gop, and his supporters have become/are known to be/ARE.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
2.1.11  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @2.1.9    2 weeks ago

Where was the military in all of this?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
2.1.12  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @2.1.10    2 weeks ago
NO

Any response to my question?

 
 
 
Dulay
2.1.13  Dulay  replied to  Sparty On @2.1.8    2 weeks ago
I have numerous friends and family that are doctors and nurses working in local hospitals.   Not one of them has gone without proper PPE during this entire pandemic.   Not one.   Now some of their fellow employees "claim" they were forced to work without proper PPE.   That's what they claim. That says it all right there ..... some of the TDS ridden are lying their asses off on that as well.

Conversely, those who claim that they have never gone without proper PPE during this entire pandemic could be lying their asses off.

I'll let you characterize their motivation to do so.

My doctor's facility found it impossible to acquire enough PPE and canceled 2 weeks of scheduled appointments. My mother's doctor is in the same facility and mom JUST got in to see her doctor last week.

After postponing my regularly scheduled yearly check up for 2 1/2 months, I finally got in to see my doctor 3 weeks ago. In March, she lost her mother after 12 days in the ICU and told me that the entire time doctors and nurses were wearing 'disposable' PPE for DAYS at a time. 

 
 
 
Dulay
2.1.14  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.11    2 weeks ago

One would have to have been living under a rock not to know that the NG was called up in multiple states and that Trump staged the 82 Airborne outside of DC. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
2.1.15  Sparty On  replied to  Dulay @2.1.13    2 weeks ago

One of them is my sister in-law and is beyond reproach.  

Suffice it to say hospitals have their share of "problem employees" just like any other company.

Their people did not go without PPE at that hospital unless they did so intentionally.

Period.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
2.1.16  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dulay @2.1.14    2 weeks ago

One would have to have been living under a rock not to know that not a damn thing has done about these animals!

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Tessylo
2.1.17  Tessylo  replied to  Sparty On @2.1.15    2 weeks ago

We'll take your word for it sparty . . . 

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It Is ME
3  It Is ME    3 weeks ago

Laws are only setup for the "Law Abiding" Citizens to follow.

Kinda puts the nail in the fake coffin, when "Lefties" say..... "If we just pass new laws , the criminals will follow them". 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
3.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  It Is ME @3    3 weeks ago

Why should Federal taxpayers subsidize, let alone tolerate, local government complicity of lawlessness?   We have to get after congress to withhold federal funds from these places.

 
 
 
It Is ME
3.1.1  It Is ME  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1    3 weeks ago
Why should Federal taxpayers subsidize, let alone tolerate, local government complicity of lawlessness?   We have to get after congress to withhold federal funds from these places.

The Majority should just stop paying their taxes as a protest to allowed Lunacy !

Are they gonna arrest everyone that decides to "protest" that way ? 

 
 
 
XDm9mm
3.1.2  XDm9mm  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1    3 weeks ago
We have to get after congress to withhold federal funds from these places.

And there lies the problem.  "Congress" or rather the parasites ostensibly working for us in Congress are the very same parasites that need the votes of the people in those places to get their pathetic asses elected.

Hell in the clip link I posted below at #4, Cuomo essentially says that they're doing nothing more than protesting.   But then, he's a bat-shit-crazy New York politician absolutely petrified of the far left radical Marxist wing, now majority of the Democrat Party.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
3.1.3  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  It Is ME @3.1.1    3 weeks ago

Even better would be to support whatever defender/reactionary emerges from this nightmare - whoever he/she is!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
3.1.4  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  XDm9mm @3.1.2    3 weeks ago
But then, he's a bat-shit-crazy New York politician absolutely petrified of the far left radical Marxist wing, now majority of the Democrat Party.

Unfortunately we have an underbelly to our society which elects people like Cuomo, de Blasio and AOC. They live in the inner cities.

 
 
 
It Is ME
3.1.5  It Is ME  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.3    3 weeks ago

"Civil Wars' never turn out very well. Hit 'em where it will really hurt...…."In-the-Purse" !

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
3.1.6  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  It Is ME @3.1.5    3 weeks ago
"Civil Wars' never turn out very well.

One of the requirements for a revolution (which this more accurately resembles) is for a rotten door waiting to be kicked in. (John Kenneth Galbreath).

We are not there yet. Some have toiled at making us that way.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
3.1.7  XDm9mm  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.6    3 weeks ago
Some have toiled at making us that way.

They won't like the response they find on the other side of that door.  And when they smile as the door collapses, the flash won't be that of a camera.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
3.1.8  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  XDm9mm @3.1.7    3 weeks ago

Then you get my point.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
4.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  XDm9mm @4    3 weeks ago

She would know, wouldn't she?

 
 
 
Dean Moriarty
5  Dean Moriarty    3 weeks ago

I don’t get it, domestic terrorists have taken control of a major city and Trump is looking extremely weak in comparison with how Johnson handled a very similar situation in Detroit. 

 
 
 
XDm9mm
5.1  XDm9mm  replied to  Dean Moriarty @5    3 weeks ago

States rights.

He's in a bad situation.  He has little power other than to possibly send the FBI and other law enforcement, but they enforce federal law, not local.  

The radical left Marxists now controlling the Democrat party are hoping he reacts with Martial Law or something to destroy him in November.  

 
 
 
loki12
5.2  loki12  replied to  Dean Moriarty @5    3 weeks ago

It is the same for Bush after Katrina, the worthless POS Governor and inmate Nagan never requested help or activated the National Guard. So all you heard was the retarded leftest sheep bleat endlessly was Bush waited 5 days to help. The way the Constitution is set up the federal government can’t invade a state just because the Governor is an incompetent piece of crap like Inslee. Well at least not if you are a republican President.

 
 
 
Dulay
5.2.1  Dulay  replied to  loki12 @5.2    2 weeks ago

Wow what a load of utter bullshit. Sad to see so many here vote it up. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
5.2.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dulay @5.2.1    2 weeks ago

Why is it that you characterize what others say as "utter bullshit" and what you say is somehow documentary?

Shouldn't we let the reader decide?

 
 
 
Dulay
5.2.3  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.2.2    2 weeks ago
Why is it that you characterize what others say as "utter bullshit"

In this case I am only labeling what loki said as utter bullshit because it IS utter bullshit. 

and what you say is somehow documentary?

Where did I claim that Vic? 

BTFW, neither you, loki or anyone who gave your comments a thumbs up have bothered to try and support the utter bullshit he posted. I posit that is because it IS utter bullshit. 

Shouldn't we let the reader decide?

I'm a reader and I decided and commented. That's how this shit works Vic. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
5.2.4  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dulay @5.2.3    2 weeks ago
I'm a reader and I decided and commented.

No you are not!

 
 
 
Dulay
5.2.5  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.2.4    2 weeks ago
No you are not!

Really Vic? 

I just read your comment, I decided that I disagree with it and I'm commenting on it. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
5.2.6  Tessylo  replied to  Dulay @5.2.3    2 weeks ago

I second that - UTTER BULLSHIT!

 
 
 
Sparty On
6  Sparty On    3 weeks ago

I watched a clip last night of protestor berating a black cop viciously at a protest.   A young white douche bag with a man bun and a wife beater t-shirt.  

A complete waste of carbon.   Clearly the best part of him ran down his momma's leg.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
6.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sparty On @6    3 weeks ago

I hate seeing that. That is something that needs changing. Nobody should have the right to get right in a cop's face and denigrate and/or try to provoke him/her.  That's crossing a line. It is a huge loophole in free speech protections that the rotten left has taken advantage of. Maybe a GOP super majority in the Senate would help give congress some fortitude to amend the law.

 
 
 
Sparty On
6.1.1  Sparty On  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1    3 weeks ago

Something to be applauded ..... heavily.

The restraint most LEO's are demonstrating daily.   Sadly, something is going to pop and pop big sooner or later and the media will go nuts.

I will go ..... what did you expect?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
6.1.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sparty On @6.1.1    3 weeks ago
The restraint most LEO's are demonstrating daily.

I could never restrain myself that much. We are lucky to have them guys and gals. Just like the military, they are the best of our civilization.

 
 
 
Sparty On
6.1.3  Sparty On  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.2    3 weeks ago

Honestly, i'm not sure i could either and it's only a matter of time before someone doesn't.

And the mass media will go nuts.   The headlines are already written .....

 
 
 
XDm9mm
6.1.4  XDm9mm  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.2    3 weeks ago
I could never restrain myself that much.

When I was an MP, the "restraint" we had to have was extreme.   

I much prefer my civilian status.  Totally different rules of engagement.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
6.1.5  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sparty On @6.1.3    3 weeks ago
Honestly, i'm not sure i could either and it's only a matter of time before someone doesn't.

I believe that was what "Kent State" was about. You had all those guardsman surrounded by all those out of town agitators, just like now in blue cities:

"From 1965 to 1970 more than 10 organizations at Kent State were involved in antiwar and  civil rights activism . In 1968 the Black United Students (BUS) organization joined the  Students for a Democratic Society  (SDS) chapter in staging a five-hour sit-in protest of the recruiting visit to campus by the  Oakland , California, police department. In 1969, among other demands, the SDS called for the removal of the  Reserve Officers’ Training Corps  (ROTC) from campus."

https://www.britannica.com/event/Kent-State-shootings



And the mass media will go nuts.   The headlines are already written .....

That's what they are waiting for

 
 
 
Sparty On
6.1.6  Sparty On  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.5    3 weeks ago

Yep and that's the anarchist goal as well.   Many on the left are becoming their useful idiots in that goal.

That said it is way past time to kick ass or chew gum ..... and we're all out of gum.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
6.1.7  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sparty On @6.1.6    3 weeks ago
That said it is way past time to kick ass or chew gum .

I truly believe most Americans feel that way. Right now they are all buttoned up, afraid to speak or venture out into certain places. I am sure that feelin won't change in the next 4 months. Then they will go out and vote and everybody will know what you and I know.

 
 
 
Sparty On
6.1.8  Sparty On  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.7    3 weeks ago

Yep, and hopefully we have more gum by then.

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Buzz of the Orient
7  Buzz of the Orient    3 weeks ago
"...light tanks into DC...".

What?  Say it isn't so.  Has some hypocrisy been perpetrated here?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
7.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @7    3 weeks ago
Has some hypocrisy been perpetrated here?

Not here. I posted it for all to see. 

As my uncle used to say "they gassed them", when comparing how WW1 veterans were treated as opposed to the Vietnam protesters. I can still recall the way he said it.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
8  JohnRussell    3 weeks ago

The premise of this seed is predicated on hysteria. 

 
 
 
XDm9mm
8.1  XDm9mm  replied to  JohnRussell @8    3 weeks ago
The premise of this seed is predicated on hysteria. 

Hysteria at what?  Watching monuments for war dead being vandalized and defaced by some rioters is hysteria?

If that's your contention, you have some seriously misplaced values.

 
 
 
It Is ME
8.1.1  It Is ME  replied to  XDm9mm @8.1    3 weeks ago
Watching monuments for war dead being vandalized and defaced by some rioters is hysteria?

It's not like those people doing crap like that, aren't being "Hysterical" or anything like that ! jrSmiley_88_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Sunshine
8.1.2  Sunshine  replied to  XDm9mm @8.1    3 weeks ago
Hysteria 

The TDS inflicted.  Talk about the daily manic diatribe that Trump will destroy the entire world.  jrSmiley_98_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Greg Jones
8.1.3  Greg Jones  replied to  XDm9mm @8.1    3 weeks ago
If that's your contention, you have some seriously misplaced values.

Or perhaps....no worthwhile values at all.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
8.1.4  XDm9mm  replied to  Greg Jones @8.1.3    3 weeks ago
Or perhaps....no worthwhile values at all.

Which is likely more apropos.

 
 
 
JBB
9  JBB    3 weeks ago

Well, that there is a buttload of silly hyperbolic paranoid nonsense...

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
9.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JBB @9    3 weeks ago

Have a good one

 
 
 
JBB
9.1.1  JBB  replied to  Vic Eldred @9.1    3 weeks ago

There is a political sea change coming in America. Butt, it is for the better!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
9.1.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JBB @9.1.1    3 weeks ago

A "sea change?"  It sounds more like the immigrant filled 14th congressional district sending middle America another message.

 
 
 
pat wilson
9.1.3  pat wilson  replied to  Vic Eldred @9.1.2    3 weeks ago

AOC is not an immigrant.

 
 
 
JBB
9.1.4  JBB  replied to  Vic Eldred @9.1.2    3 weeks ago

"Immigrant"? 

 
 
 
JBB
9.1.5  JBB  replied to  Vic Eldred @9.1.2    3 weeks ago
 
 
 
Kavika
9.1.6  Kavika   replied to  Vic Eldred @9.1.2    3 weeks ago

It seems that Jamaal Bowman has defeated Eliot Engle who has been in congress representing the 19th district since 1989. 

Another one bites the dust.

 
 
 
Kavika
9.1.7  Kavika   replied to  Vic Eldred @9.1.2    3 weeks ago

What's the problem with immigrants Vic? Oh, they generally aren't white, forgot about that. /s

 
 
 
Kavika
9.1.8  Kavika   replied to  Kavika @9.1.6    3 weeks ago

Should read 16th not 19th district.

 
 
 
loki12
9.1.9  loki12  replied to  Vic Eldred @9.1.2    3 weeks ago

I’ve read your comment twice exactly where did you call AOC an immigrant? Now her district yes but not her. I guess when you lack any defense for a statement you just make up some bullshit then argue against it.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
9.1.10  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  pat wilson @9.1.3    2 weeks ago
AOC is not an immigrant.

Who said she was?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
9.1.11  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JBB @9.1.4    2 weeks ago
"Immigrant"? 

Ya, the 14th Congressional district is the second highest in NY for percentage of foreign born residents:

Rank               Congressional District                        Percentage of Foreign Born Residents

1                      6th Congressional District, New York                    52.1%
2                   14th Congressional District, New York                   46.8%

https://www.biggestuscities.com/demographics/ny/people-foreign-born-by-congressional-district



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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York%27s_14th_congressional_district

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
9.1.12  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Kavika @9.1.6    2 weeks ago
Another one bites the dust.

What's the importance of a democratic primary?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
9.1.13  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Kavika @9.1.7    2 weeks ago
What's the problem with immigrants Vic?

Problem?  I'm trying to figure out the mentality behind voting for AOC.


Oh, they generally aren't white, forgot about that. /s

One and only warning - don't imply racism here!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
9.1.14  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JBB @9.1.5    2 weeks ago

I'm afraid I already know it. The question is why such scum is being elected?

Here's one for you - Look at what she stands for and ask yourself who would vote for that?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
9.1.15  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  loki12 @9.1.9    2 weeks ago

I don't get it either. Why something so clear becomes so ambiguous?

 
 
 
Sparty On
9.1.16  Sparty On  replied to  Vic Eldred @9.1.13    2 weeks ago
I'm trying to figure out the mentality behind voting for AOC.

Three words:

More Free Shit

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
9.1.17  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sparty On @9.1.16    2 weeks ago

Do you think that's appealing to some?   Ya, I think so to.  I think that's part of why someone would vote for her?

 
 
 
Sparty On
9.1.18  Sparty On  replied to  Vic Eldred @9.1.17    2 weeks ago

If the Dems win i'm jumping on the free shit bandwagon.   I've been paying for the free shit for over 45 years now so it's well past time to get mine.   Yup, i'll shut the business down, lay off all the employees and we'll all jump on the free shit tilt-o-whirl.

Government cheese for everyone ..... heehaw!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
9.1.19  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sparty On @9.1.18    2 weeks ago
If the Dems win i'm jumping on the free shit bandwagon.

It depends on what and how much they might win. If they win the presidency it will be a travesty for democracy. They are running a senile old man who can barely complete a sentence. The government will likely be run the same way the Muller investigation was run - by the most radical elements, with an impotent proxy being used for legitimacy. If the Senate is lost to them (it's down to 5 key elections) - it will mark the end of our Republic. That is how important this election is!

 
 
 
MUVA
9.1.20  MUVA  replied to  Sparty On @9.1.18    2 weeks ago

I might even get reparations out of this just in time for retirement and I thought I would have to down size nope. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
9.1.21  Sparty On  replied to  MUVA @9.1.20    2 weeks ago

Hey, parties at your house .... i'll bring the bean dip

 
 
 
Sparty On
9.1.22  Sparty On  replied to  Vic Eldred @9.1.19    2 weeks ago
it will mark the end of our Republic

Yep, i agree completely.   It most certainly won't end like they think it will.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
9.1.23  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sparty On @9.1.22    2 weeks ago
It most certainly won't end like they think it will.

In their minds it all ends with them firmly in control, Winston no longer feels anything for Julia and we all love "Big Brother."


As you point out, reality is a far different matter.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
10  Nerm_L    3 weeks ago

What goes around, comes around.

The protesters aren't engaged in making any sort of sustainable change that allows them to support themselves.  At some point the demands will be replaced by requests.  Not surprisingly, the answer will be 'no'.

The psychological abuse of political correctness has run its course and is losing it's effectiveness to manipulate and control the public.  Those being abused will simply walk away.  So, someone is offended?  Tell us something we don't already know.

What we should expect to see in the aftermath of all this politically correct lunacy is more government emphasis on anti-crime measures.  No one should be surprised that steps will be taken to prevent this kind of lunacy happening in the future.  It's happened before, it's happening again.

At most, the protesters will receive a pandering response.  No doubt Democrats will throw more money around and pass feel-good legislation.  But there will be bipartisan support for 'tough on crime' measures.  Somewhere there will be a George Floyd Memorial Highway and that's about all that will have been accomplished.  

 
 
 
Greg Jones
10.1  Greg Jones  replied to  Nerm_L @10    3 weeks ago

The more Trump holds off, the more foolish the statue destroyers and their left wing supporters will appear.

All this unrest is not hurting him, but could really have a negative impact on the down ballot Democrats.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
10.1.1  Nerm_L  replied to  Greg Jones @10.1    3 weeks ago
The more Trump holds off, the more foolish the statue destroyers and their left wing supporters will appear.

In most of these cases, it's not a Federal issue.  State's have asserted their rights (particularly over sanctuary statutes) that have been upheld by liberal courts.

All this unrest is not hurting him, but could really have a negative impact on the down ballot Democrats.

Democrats have mostly been silent other than making pandering statements.  It's inevitable that questions concerning crime are going to be asked when the dust settles and the smoke clears.

I'm waiting for someone to ask President Joe why he is ashamed to be an American.  It's only a matter of when, not if.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
10.1.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Nerm_L @10.1.1    3 weeks ago
I'm waiting for someone to ask President Joe why he is ashamed to be an American. 

You may have a long wait for a president Joe

 
 
 
Nerm_L
10.1.3  Nerm_L  replied to  Vic Eldred @10.1.2    3 weeks ago
You may have a long wait for a president Joe

Aren't you looking forward to the Congressional oversight?  At the very least President Joe's likeness should replace a Confederate statue in the Capitol rotunda.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
10.1.4  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Nerm_L @10.1.3    3 weeks ago
Aren't you looking forward to the Congressional oversight?

LMAO!


At the very least President Joe's likeness should replace a Confederate statue in the Capitol rotunda.


Either there or in front of an Alzheimer Care facility

 
 
 
Tessylo
10.1.5  Tessylo  replied to  Nerm_L @10.1.3    2 weeks ago

You guys sure are frightened of Joe Biden.

It's delightful to see.

How many points is tRump behind Biden now?

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Vic Eldred
10.1.6  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @10.1.5    2 weeks ago
How many points is tRump behind Biden now?

If the polls can be believed - 14 points!

Are you a Biden supporter?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
10.1.7  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Vic Eldred @10.1.6    2 weeks ago

Tess?

Hello

 
 
 
Tessylo
10.1.8  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @10.1.7    2 weeks ago

Scared shitless of Biden is more like it.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
10.1.9  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @10.1.7    2 weeks ago

tRump's numbers are pretty dismal don't you think?

Deplorable even. . . 

 
 
 
XDm9mm
10.1.10  XDm9mm  replied to  Tessylo @10.1.8    2 weeks ago
Scared shitless of Biden is more like it. 

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I never knew you were trying to be a comedian Tessylo.   Pretty good joke you made.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
10.1.11  XDm9mm  replied to  Tessylo @10.1.9    2 weeks ago
tRump's numbers are pretty dismal don't you think? Deplorable even. . . 

His numbers are about where they were when he won in 2016, so, no, the numbers aren't dismal.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
10.1.12  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @10.1.8    2 weeks ago

I'll ask you again - Are you a Biden supporter?

Believe me, it's not a trick question.

 
 
 
JBB
10.1.13  JBB  replied to  XDm9mm @10.1.11    2 weeks ago

Actually Trump's numbers are much worse than in 2016 butt you can consol yourself with those excellent views of the sphinx and pyramids on your Egyptian river cruise...

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/meet-the-press/poll-trump-loses-ground-key-2016-voters-n1226971

 
 
 
XDm9mm
10.1.14  XDm9mm  replied to  JBB @10.1.13    2 weeks ago
Actually Trump's numbers are much worse

Among the people that support and voted for him, they've remained constant.  And it's those numbers that will do so again.

So take that Nile River (just a hint there is no such thing as "Egyptian river", the NILE RIVER runs through Egypt.  Just sayin) cruise and check out those places yourself.

 
 
 
Tessylo
10.1.15  Tessylo  replied to  XDm9mm @10.1.11    2 weeks ago

No, they're quite dismal and deplorable.  

 
 
 
JBB
10.1.16  JBB  replied to  XDm9mm @10.1.14    2 weeks ago

If you read the article you'd know what you said is all WRONG!

Trump is losing bad among swing state voters he won in 2016.

 
 
 
loki12
11  loki12    3 weeks ago

Off topic Vic, sorry!

the appeals court has ordered the Piece of crap Sullivan to dismiss all charges against General Flynn!!!!

its official, the Obama administration has more criminal convictions than the Trump administration. Hahahahahahahahahaha......,

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
11.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  loki12 @11    3 weeks ago

wow! 

That's an incredible smack down of Judge Sullivan, for the Court to intervene before Sullivan even made a decision on the motion to dismiss. 

His  reputation is destroyed. 

 
 
 
loki12
11.1.1  loki12  replied to  Sean Treacy @11.1    3 weeks ago

Now it’s time for Flynn to open civil suits for malicious prosecution, the appeals court ruled that the prosecution wasn’t in good faith, their immunity is now gone. 

 
 
 
Dulay
11.1.2  Dulay  replied to  loki12 @11.1.1    2 weeks ago
Now it’s time for Flynn to open civil suits for malicious prosecution, the appeals court ruled that the prosecution wasn’t in good faith, their immunity is now gone. 

The appeals court made no such ruling. Again, sad to see so many uninformed thumbs up. 

 
 
 
Ronin2
11.1.3  Ronin2  replied to  Dulay @11.1.2    2 weeks ago

After the tactics Mueller and his Clinton and Obama lackeys pulled including tampering with evidence; withholding of evidence; trying to coerce Flynn's original legal council; and threatening to go after Flynn's son legally; I hope he does go after them in court. It shouldn't matter what the appeals court decides.

Of course the left is now trying a new tactic. That by forcing Flynn to plead guilty twice, he is now guilty of perjury. That is how stupid the left has become. Railroad someone, and then try to charge them with perjury when they are forced to acquiesce and plead guilty.  

Better pray there are no pay backs coming if Biden is elected. I am sure his administration can be placed under an even greater microscope than Trump's.

 
 
 
Tessylo
11.1.4  Tessylo  replied to  loki12 @11.1.1    2 weeks ago

We're still waiting on all those indictments for Hillary and President Obama . . . 

How long should we wait for those?

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
11.1.5  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Dulay @11.1.2    2 weeks ago
Again, sad to see so many uninformed thumbs up.

It's common to see the same old gang of conservatives thumb-upping themselves in little circle jerks. Just make sure you don't walk in on them as they're inserting their thumbs in each other, you'll never be able to wipe the image of that herd of old white Christians caught in the act with that deer in the headlights look on their faces out of your mind.

 
 
 
Gazoo
11.1.6  Gazoo  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @11.1.5    2 weeks ago

What a sick, disgusting post.

 
 
 
bugsy
11.1.7  bugsy  replied to  Gazoo @11.1.6    2 weeks ago
What a sick, disgusting post.

Normally when they are getting their asses handed to them, they resort to posts like that, usually something that is infatuated with a fantasy of theirs they project to others.

11.1.5 says loud and clear intelligence is not their best feature.

 
 
 
Dulay
11.1.8  Dulay  replied to  Ronin2 @11.1.3    2 weeks ago
After the tactics Mueller and his Clinton and Obama lackeys pulled including tampering with evidence; withholding of evidence; trying to coerce Flynn's original legal council; and threatening to go after Flynn's son legally;

Got proof of ANY of that BS? 

I hope he does go after them in court. It shouldn't matter what the appeals court decides.

Oh I hope he does too. I can't wait to read the discovery documents. 

Of course the left is now trying a new tactic. That by forcing Flynn to plead guilty twice, he is now guilty of perjury.

Flynn wasn't forced to plead guilty. That's delusional. 

That is how stupid the left has become. Railroad someone, and then try to charge them with perjury when they are forced to acquiesce and plead guilty.  

People that aren't Trump's sycophants get treated like that every fucking day. 

Better pray there are no pay backs coming if Biden is elected. I am sure his administration can be placed under an even greater microscope than Trump's.

You mean you support 'Presidential harassment'? 

 
 
 
Sparty On
11.2  Sparty On  replied to  loki12 @11    3 weeks ago

The swamp rats will really be jumping the sinking ship now.  

This should be really fun watching the left rationalize excuses for why this is all wrong

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
11.3  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  loki12 @11    3 weeks ago

That little piece of news is welcome here!


the appeals court has ordered the Piece of crap Sullivan to dismiss all charges against General Flynn!!!!

We knew that eventually it had to happen. Judge Sullivan is another example of the left's power. He was a biased judge, who abused his power.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
12  author  Vic Eldred    3 weeks ago

Last night in Wisconsin, protesters smashed windows, assaulted a state senator, and tore down statues—including one of an abolitionist who died trying to end slavery during the Civil War. Nancy Pelosi describes this as "peaceful." When will Democrats condemn this violence?!.....Rep Kevin McCarthy


 
 
 
Vic Eldred
13  author  Vic Eldred    3 weeks ago

National Guard deploying unarmed personnel to protect DC monuments http:// hill.cm/b5KNIxX


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Tessylo
13.1  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @13    2 weeks ago

Oh yeah, those monuments definitely need the National Guard to protect them.

LOL!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
13.1.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @13.1    2 weeks ago

They won't get much protection from unarmed guradsmen. Unarmed was the operative word.

 
 
 
Tessylo
13.1.2  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @13.1.1    2 weeks ago

Yes unarmed to protect statues.

Not when it comes to peaceful protesters though, right Vic?

Then it's no holds barred.

Right Vic?

 
 
 
Texan1211
13.1.3  Texan1211  replied to  Tessylo @13.1.2    2 weeks ago

An unarmed guard is really no guard at all.

Some of us already know that.

And some pretend that unarmed "guards" could stop people who want to destroy others' property.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
13.1.4  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @13.1.2    2 weeks ago
Not when it comes to peaceful protesters though, right Vic?

What "peaceful" protests?

As far as I'm concerned rioting is a federal offense and protecting anything requires live bullets!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
14  author  Vic Eldred    3 weeks ago

Back in a few.

Group moderators take charge.

 
 
 
Tessylo
15  Tessylo    2 weeks ago

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Dulay
16  Dulay    2 weeks ago
Please note the text does not even mention whether the statues were for American veterans who fought for the Confederacy.

Please note that it DOES mention that the statues must be of "Any Person Or Persons In The Armed Forces Of The United States". Those that fought for the Confederacy were NOT in "The Armed Forces Of The United States".

Secondly, you're ignoring the predicate of the statute in part (b). Barr would have to prove that the perpetrator traveled from another state or that the statue was under FEDERAL jurisdiction. 

Not that it matters since a statue of US Grant was recently pulled down. 

Exactly, the Grant statue was NOT under FEDERAL jurisdiction. 

That 'arrow' doesn't apply for the vast majority of the statues that have been vandalized. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
16.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dulay @16    2 weeks ago

Why not address those comments to me?  I almost missed them.

Please note that it DOES mention that the statues must be of "Any Person Or Persons In The Armed Forces Of The United States". Those that fought for the Confederacy were NOT in "The Armed Forces Of The United States".

And what category would US Grant fall under?


Secondly, you're ignoring the predicate of the statute in part (b). Barr would have to prove that the perpetrator traveled from another state or that the statue was under FEDERAL jurisdiction

I would venture to say that most of the statues in the DC area are under FEDERAL protection.


Exactly, the Grant statue was NOT under FEDERAL jurisdiction. 

WRONG. He was a US military veteran and therefore that statue WAS covered.

 
 
 
bugsy
16.1.1  bugsy  replied to  Vic Eldred @16.1    2 weeks ago

So easy to hand their asses to them, huh?

This one claims it never happens to him, but we see otherwise almost daily.

 
 
 
Dulay
16.1.2  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @16.1    2 weeks ago
Why not address those comments to me?  I almost missed them.

Since you're the author and responsible for moderating this seed, you shouldn't miss any comment here. 

And what category would US Grant fall under?

Not under Federal jurisdiction. 

I would venture to say that most of the statues in the DC area are under FEDERAL protection.

The vast majority of the statues that have been vandalized are NOT in DC. 

WRONG. He was a US military veteran and therefore that statue WAS covered.

WRONG! Get back to me when you learn how to read a statute Vic. 

(A) Whoever, In A Circumstance Described In Subsection (B)

That's called a predicate Vic. So what is the 'Circumstance Describe in Subsection (B) Vic? 

(b) A circumstance described in this subsection is that—

(1) in committing the offense described in subsection (a), the defendant travels or causes another to travel in interstate or foreign commerce, or uses the mail or an instrumentality of interstate or foreign commerce; or

(2) the structure, plaque, statue, or other monument described in subsection (a) is located on property owned by, or under the jurisdiction of, the Federal Government.

YOU posted the statute but you obviously still don't have a fucking clue what it MEANS. If the predicate in subsection (B) are not met, there is NOT offense. 

The Grant statue was in Golden Gate Park which is NOT under Federal Jurisdiction. Get Educated. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
16.1.3  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @16.1.2    2 weeks ago
Since you're the author and responsible for moderating this seed, you shouldn't miss any comment here. 

Nonresponsive to his question.

 
 
 
Dulay
16.1.4  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @16.1.3    2 weeks ago
Nonresponsive to his question.

Your inability to understand my comment is on you. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
16.1.5  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @16.1.4    2 weeks ago

I understood all too well that you simply didn't answer his question.

Anyone who can even read can see THAT much!

 
 
 
Tessylo
16.1.6  Tessylo  replied to  bugsy @16.1.1    2 weeks ago

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Raven Wing
16.1.7  Raven Wing  replied to  Tessylo @16.1.6    2 weeks ago
Vic has never handed anyone their ass . . . NEVER

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Dulay
16.1.8  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @16.1.5    2 weeks ago
I understood all too well that you simply didn't answer his question.

Is it your posit that Vic has some kind of authority over how I address my comments Tex? Hell, at least I block quoted and commented on the seed, unlike so many gutless wonders here who post back handed comments ABOUT others to their buddies. 

Anyone who can even read can see THAT much!

Yet YOU are the only one that gives a fuck. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
16.1.9  Tessylo  replied to  Dulay @16.1.8    2 weeks ago

'unlike so many gutless wonders here who post back handed comments ABOUT others to their buddies.'

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Texan1211
16.2  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @16    2 weeks ago
Please note that it DOES mention that the statues must be of "Any Person Or Persons In The Armed Forces Of The United States". Those that fought for the Confederacy were NOT in "The Armed Forces Of The United States".

In the real world, many Confederates were former members of the US military. To think otherwise is to deny reality.

 
 
 
Dulay
16.2.1  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @16.2    2 weeks ago
In the real world, many Confederates were former members of the US military. To think otherwise is to deny reality.

In the real world, the Confederate statues are NOT "Commemorating The Service Of Any Person Or Persons In The Armed Forces Of The United States". 

Maybe you and Vic can form a study group on how to read a statute. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
16.2.2  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @16.2.1    2 weeks ago

look, you wrote that "Those that fought for the Confederacy were NOT in "The Armed Forces Of The United States".'

While it is painfully obvious that while in the service of the Confederacy they were not in the employ of the US government, it remains a fact that many fought FOR the US prior to the Civil War, and some AFTER the Civil War.

My statement stands, despite your attempt at snark.

 
 
 
Dulay
16.2.3  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @16.2.2    2 weeks ago
look, you wrote that "Those that fought for the Confederacy were NOT in "The Armed Forces Of The United States".'
My statement stands, despite your attempt at snark.

Oh now you're going to try to pretend that was what you were replying to Tex? You know we can all see what you actually block quoted right? 

What remains a FACT is that the statues of CONFEDERATE soldiers COMMEMORATE their service to the CONFEDERACY, NOT their prior or future service in the Armed Forces of the United States. 

A perfect example of that fact is that the Robert E. Lee statues have his rank as General. Lee NEVER reached that rank in the Armed Forces of the United States.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
16.2.4  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dulay @16.2.3    2 weeks ago
Oh now you're going to try to pretend that was what you were replying to Tex?

He does have a point doesn't he? Chalk that up for Tex. There would be many who would qualify under that provision you took the time to post for all to see.

BTW You never should have used Robert E Lee as an example. He was one of the greatest military minds/leaders in history.

A son of Revolutionary War officer  Henry "Light Horse Harry" Lee III , Lee was a top graduate of the  United States Military Academy  and an exceptional officer and  military engineer  in the  United States Army  for 32 years. During this time, he served throughout the United States, distinguished himself during the  Mexican–American War , and served as  Superintendent of the United States Military Academy . He was also the husband of  Mary Anna Custis Lee , adopted great-granddaughter of  George Washington . When  Virginia's 1861 Richmond Convention  declared secession from the  Union , Lee chose to follow his home state, despite his desire for the country to remain intact and an offer of a senior Union command. During the first year of the Civil War, he served in minor combat operations and as a senior military adviser to  Confederate President   Jefferson Davis .

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_E._Lee

Regardless of the ‘Veterans’   Memorial Preservation   and Recognition Act of  2003, which the President intends to enforce, Robert E Lee should get a vote from the American people as to whether his statues remain or get removed. All those who have torn down statues of US veterans or desecrated memorials to US veterans should be prosecuted for the full 10 year prison term for the outrageous act of desecrating these national monuments.

 
 
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