A left Wing Power Surge and the New Order
“I will have an executive order very shortly. And all it’s really going to do is reinforce what’s already there, but in a more uniform way,” Trump said.
Since the death of George Floyd the nation has had to endure murder, rioting, looting and vandalism. We have seen statues of all kinds torn down including that of US Grant. A six block section of Seattle is still in the hands of radical extremists. All of it happening in large cities controlled by progressive mayors who are willing accomplices to the radical elements wreaking havoc in their cities. Police forces have been emasculated and ordered to stand by while the demonstrators took total control of the streets.To cap it all of we had yet another "hate-crime" hoax. Thus far it would seem that only the President and the AG are willing to protect life & property. Rioting and arson are federal crimes (you'd never know it!) and 51 individuals have thus far been arrested.
So what can the President do or what should he do?
He has a few arrows in the quiver:
The “Veterans’ Memorial Preservation and Recognition Act of 2003”
18 U.S. Code § 1369. Destruction of veterans’ memorials
(a) Whoever, in a circumstance described in subsection (b), willfully injures or destroys, or attempts to injure or destroy, any structure, plaque, statue, or other monument on public property commemorating the service of any person or persons in the armed forces of the United States shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 10 years, or both.
(b) A circumstance described in this subsection is that—
(1)
in committing the offense described in subsection (a), the defendant travels or causes another to travel in interstate or foreign commerce, or uses the mail or an instrumentality of interstate or foreign commerce; or
(2)
the structure, plaque, statue, or other monument described in subsection (a) is located on property owned by, or under the jurisdiction of, the Federal Government.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1369
Please note the text does not even mention whether the statues were for American veterans who fought for the Confederacy. Not that it matters since a statue of US Grant was recently pulled down.
Nationalizing the Guard
The President also has the precedent of nationalizing the guard to protect American lives and property. In our nation's history the military has been deployed domestically. The most recent was when Barak Obama deployed 1,200 National Guard troops to the Mexican border in 2010 to help combat drug trafficking and to protect American lives. Most notable would be when President Eisenhower used an executive order to send troops to Little Rock, AR in 1957 to enforce the integration of Central High School. That leads us to the imminent executive order that President Trump is expected to issue. The President has thus far been hesitant to act. That reluctance could be tied to the heavy resistance this President usually faces, especially along these lines, where the left wing media charges him with using authoritarian measures against what they keep claiming to be "peaceful protests" or maybe the President is simply calculating how much the American people are craving for some law & order.
What we know from history:
The so-called "Bonus Expeditionary Force"
That craving for law & order may lead to something yet unforeseen. Of the 5 times the military was used domestically was a very peculiar one from July of 1930. A protest by unemployed veterans (called the "Bonus Army", 15,000 strong) had taken up residence (set up camp) near the government district of Washington DC. Sound familiar? Their demand - the payment of a war bonus promised them by Congress. They too had been infiltrated by left wing agitators, who violently took on the local police. People were frightened by the violence in their midst. The Hoover administration decided to respond with the military, but was careful to select a WW1 hero (winner of 7 Silver Stars - a record + 2 Purple Hearts) to lead the troops with specific instructions on the handling of veterans.
General Douglas MacArthur
The General's name was MacArthur and he responded with a reactionary zeal as he led infantry, cavalry and light tanks into DC. He chased the protesters right down Pennsylvania Avenue between the White House and the Capitol, right back to their encampment, which he destroyed. The fire from the obliterated encampment raged all night. The residents of DC breathed a sigh of relief. Gen MacArthur soon called for a press conference in which he proclaimed there had been no serious injuries. There had actually been approximately two dozen, including the death of an infant who died from the tear gas. MacArthur had also disregarded every one of the explicit orders from president Hoover. MacArthur could have entered politics at that point. He would have had a large following.
As much as the left thinks they hate this President, they have set events in motion that pave the way for somebody who will be their true enemy.
I'm waiting for it.
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The line must be drawn by a civil society.
This liberal ex EPA enforcer, ex environmental scientist, Ex paramedic, ex musician, has drawn a line. Which side of it are you on?
We are talking about rampant violence.
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Which is quite prevalent among the 'right'.
It's been well documented all the 'right wing' agitators amongst these protests. Being paid for by this criminal enterprise of an 'administration'.
Why aren't they taking advantage of this? I mean one grenade tossed into Chaz/Chop could do a lot of damage.
It's been well documented all the 'right wing' agitators amongst these protests.
Documented but largely unseen.
What about my question?
Are you a Biden supporter?
Then produce the "documentation"........................or.......
I don't know where you found it but I love that pic. Especially the contrast between the clean-cut father and son and the rioter in the background.
Thanks for the great and valuable post. Clearly it had the desired effect...
Isn't that meme off topic?
I thought you wanted a discussion?
'Thanks for the great and valuable post. Clearly it had the desired effect...'
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If it was an insult it would have been a skirting or full coc. It really was a point made that progressives didn’t like, thus the 10 votes up.
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Sounds like cjcold is a man of experience in many arenas, how about you?
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The author decides what is on/off topic. Not you or your friends.
Boy, Joe Biden sure has you guys frightened.
We're all shakin'
I'm shakin like a Polaroid picture .......
What a hysterical article. It practically parodies itself.
As for the "Bonus Army" removal in 1932 by MacArthur, go the library and take out the book "The Glory And The Dream" by William Manchester. It has an extended section about the Bonus Army. After reading it I doubt you will see MacArthur's actions as so heroic anymore.
I never claimed the removal of the bonus army was "heroic."
You missed the point completely! Lincoln said it best: “the lawless in spirit…to become lawless in practice,” and then leave good citizens with no choice but to become lawless in their own defense. “
I don't know why you are posting this?
You are missing the point!
I know what your point is, you think the military should be attacking protesters like they did in 1932.
That is not my point!
My point is that the riots and everything else the radical left has done in the past month is going to produce a reactionary backlash! The point of my story is that you may be producing a national hero/figure that will use authoritarian means to bring an end to the near revolution/reformation we have seen from the left.
The Democrats are rapidly gaining the dubious distinction of being the party of destruction, violence, and hate.
I seriously doubt that a majority of Americans will want to put an old guy with dementia, Biden, in the WH to deal
with this serious mess that the left and their disgusting supporters have created.
I can't see it either. Perhaps they should expand the polling. Maybe start polling those "essential" workers for a change!
Oh let's DO poll the essential workers, Medical staff working 24/7 without proper PPE or necessary testing supplies while Trump LIES about the virus, meat processing workers FORCED back to work without proper PPE while Trump waters down OSHA oversight, grocery store employees required to work without proper PPE while Trump bullies his sycophants into shopping without wearing masks. .
I have numerous friends and family that are doctors and nurses working in local hospitals. Not one of them has gone without proper PPE during this entire pandemic. Not one. Now some of their fellow employees "claim" they were forced to work without proper PPE. That's what they claim.
That says it all right there ..... some of the TDS ridden are lying their asses off on that as well.
That's what the police and the military have been doing with these current protests
NO. That's what tRump/the gop, and his supporters have become/are known to be/ARE.
Where was the military in all of this?
Any response to my question?
Conversely, those who claim that they have never gone without proper PPE during this entire pandemic could be lying their asses off.
I'll let you characterize their motivation to do so.
My doctor's facility found it impossible to acquire enough PPE and canceled 2 weeks of scheduled appointments. My mother's doctor is in the same facility and mom JUST got in to see her doctor last week.
After postponing my regularly scheduled yearly check up for 2 1/2 months, I finally got in to see my doctor 3 weeks ago. In March, she lost her mother after 12 days in the ICU and told me that the entire time doctors and nurses were wearing 'disposable' PPE for DAYS at a time.
One would have to have been living under a rock not to know that the NG was called up in multiple states and that Trump staged the 82 Airborne outside of DC.
One of them is my sister in-law and is beyond reproach.
Suffice it to say hospitals have their share of "problem employees" just like any other company.
Their people did not go without PPE at that hospital unless they did so intentionally.
Period.
One would have to have been living under a rock not to know that not a damn thing has done about these animals!
The Lincoln Memorial
We'll take your word for it sparty . . .
Laws are only setup for the "Law Abiding" Citizens to follow.
Kinda puts the nail in the fake coffin, when "Lefties" say..... "If we just pass new laws , the criminals will follow them".
Why should Federal taxpayers subsidize, let alone tolerate, local government complicity of lawlessness? We have to get after congress to withhold federal funds from these places.
The Majority should just stop paying their taxes as a protest to allowed Lunacy !
Are they gonna arrest everyone that decides to "protest" that way ?
Even better would be to support whatever defender/reactionary emerges from this nightmare - whoever he/she is!
Unfortunately we have an underbelly to our society which elects people like Cuomo, de Blasio and AOC. They live in the inner cities.
"Civil Wars' never turn out very well. Hit 'em where it will really hurt...…."In-the-Purse" !
One of the requirements for a revolution (which this more accurately resembles) is for a rotten door waiting to be kicked in. (John Kenneth Galbreath).
We are not there yet. Some have toiled at making us that way.
Then you get my point.
I don’t get it, domestic terrorists have taken control of a major city and Trump is looking extremely weak in comparison with how Johnson handled a very similar situation in Detroit.
I watched a clip last night of protestor berating a black cop viciously at a protest. A young white douche bag with a man bun and a wife beater t-shirt.
A complete waste of carbon. Clearly the best part of him ran down his momma's leg.
I hate seeing that. That is something that needs changing. Nobody should have the right to get right in a cop's face and denigrate and/or try to provoke him/her. That's crossing a line. It is a huge loophole in free speech protections that the rotten left has taken advantage of. Maybe a GOP super majority in the Senate would help give congress some fortitude to amend the law.
Something to be applauded ..... heavily.
The restraint most LEO's are demonstrating daily. Sadly, something is going to pop and pop big sooner or later and the media will go nuts.
I will go ..... what did you expect?
I could never restrain myself that much. We are lucky to have them guys and gals. Just like the military, they are the best of our civilization.
Honestly, i'm not sure i could either and it's only a matter of time before someone doesn't.
And the mass media will go nuts. The headlines are already written .....
I believe that was what "Kent State" was about. You had all those guardsman surrounded by all those out of town agitators, just like now in blue cities:
"From 1965 to 1970 more than 10 organizations at Kent State were involved in antiwar and civil rights activism . In 1968 the Black United Students (BUS) organization joined the Students for a Democratic Society (SDS) chapter in staging a five-hour sit-in protest of the recruiting visit to campus by the Oakland , California, police department. In 1969, among other demands, the SDS called for the removal of the Reserve Officers’ Training Corps (ROTC) from campus."
And the mass media will go nuts. The headlines are already written .....
That's what they are waiting for
Yep and that's the anarchist goal as well. Many on the left are becoming their useful idiots in that goal.
That said it is way past time to kick ass or chew gum ..... and we're all out of gum.
I truly believe most Americans feel that way. Right now they are all buttoned up, afraid to speak or venture out into certain places. I am sure that feelin won't change in the next 4 months. Then they will go out and vote and everybody will know what you and I know.
Yep, and hopefully we have more gum by then.
What? Say it isn't so. Has some hypocrisy been perpetrated here?
Not here. I posted it for all to see.
As my uncle used to say "they gassed them", when comparing how WW1 veterans were treated as opposed to the Vietnam protesters. I can still recall the way he said it.
The premise of this seed is predicated on hysteria.
Well, that there is a buttload of silly hyperbolic paranoid nonsense...
Have a good one
There is a political sea change coming in America. Butt, it is for the better!
A "sea change?" It sounds more like the immigrant filled 14th congressional district sending middle America another message.
AOC is not an immigrant.
"Immigrant"?
Educate yourself...
It seems that Jamaal Bowman has defeated Eliot Engle who has been in congress representing the 19th district since 1989.
Another one bites the dust.
What's the problem with immigrants Vic? Oh, they generally aren't white, forgot about that. /s
Should read 16th not 19th district.
Who said she was?
Ya, the 14th Congressional district is the second highest in NY for percentage of foreign born residents:
Rank Congressional District Percentage of Foreign Born Residents
1 6th Congressional District, New York 52.1%
2 14th Congressional District, New York 46.8%
What's the importance of a democratic primary?
Problem? I'm trying to figure out the mentality behind voting for AOC.
Oh, they generally aren't white, forgot about that. /s
One and only warning - don't imply racism here!
I'm afraid I already know it. The question is why such scum is being elected?
Here's one for you - Look at what she stands for and ask yourself who would vote for that?
I don't get it either. Why something so clear becomes so ambiguous?
Three words:
More Free Shit
Do you think that's appealing to some? Ya, I think so to. I think that's part of why someone would vote for her?
If the Dems win i'm jumping on the free shit bandwagon. I've been paying for the free shit for over 45 years now so it's well past time to get mine. Yup, i'll shut the business down, lay off all the employees and we'll all jump on the free shit tilt-o-whirl.
Government cheese for everyone ..... heehaw!
It depends on what and how much they might win. If they win the presidency it will be a travesty for democracy. They are running a senile old man who can barely complete a sentence. The government will likely be run the same way the Muller investigation was run - by the most radical elements, with an impotent proxy being used for legitimacy. If the Senate is lost to them (it's down to 5 key elections) - it will mark the end of our Republic. That is how important this election is!
Hey, parties at your house .... i'll bring the bean dip
Yep, i agree completely. It most certainly won't end like they think it will.
In their minds it all ends with them firmly in control, Winston no longer feels anything for Julia and we all love "Big Brother."
As you point out, reality is a far different matter.
What goes around, comes around.
The protesters aren't engaged in making any sort of sustainable change that allows them to support themselves. At some point the demands will be replaced by requests. Not surprisingly, the answer will be 'no'.
The psychological abuse of political correctness has run its course and is losing it's effectiveness to manipulate and control the public. Those being abused will simply walk away. So, someone is offended? Tell us something we don't already know.
What we should expect to see in the aftermath of all this politically correct lunacy is more government emphasis on anti-crime measures. No one should be surprised that steps will be taken to prevent this kind of lunacy happening in the future. It's happened before, it's happening again.
At most, the protesters will receive a pandering response. No doubt Democrats will throw more money around and pass feel-good legislation. But there will be bipartisan support for 'tough on crime' measures. Somewhere there will be a George Floyd Memorial Highway and that's about all that will have been accomplished.
The more Trump holds off, the more foolish the statue destroyers and their left wing supporters will appear.
All this unrest is not hurting him, but could really have a negative impact on the down ballot Democrats.
In most of these cases, it's not a Federal issue. State's have asserted their rights (particularly over sanctuary statutes) that have been upheld by liberal courts.
Democrats have mostly been silent other than making pandering statements. It's inevitable that questions concerning crime are going to be asked when the dust settles and the smoke clears.
I'm waiting for someone to ask President Joe why he is ashamed to be an American. It's only a matter of when, not if.
You may have a long wait for a president Joe
Aren't you looking forward to the Congressional oversight? At the very least President Joe's likeness should replace a Confederate statue in the Capitol rotunda.
LMAO!
At the very least President Joe's likeness should replace a Confederate statue in the Capitol rotunda.
Either there or in front of an Alzheimer Care facility
You guys sure are frightened of Joe Biden.
It's delightful to see.
How many points is tRump behind Biden now?
If the polls can be believed - 14 points!
Are you a Biden supporter?
Tess?
Hello
Scared shitless of Biden is more like it.
tRump's numbers are pretty dismal don't you think?
Deplorable even. . .
I'll ask you again - Are you a Biden supporter?
Believe me, it's not a trick question.
Actually Trump's numbers are much worse than in 2016 butt you can consol yourself with those excellent views of the sphinx and pyramids on your Egyptian river cruise...
No, they're quite dismal and deplorable.
If you read the article you'd know what you said is all WRONG!
Trump is losing bad among swing state voters he won in 2016.
Last night in Wisconsin, protesters smashed windows, assaulted a state senator, and tore down statues—including one of an abolitionist who died trying to end slavery during the Civil War. Nancy Pelosi describes this as "peaceful." When will Democrats condemn this violence?!.....Rep Kevin McCarthy
National Guard deploying unarmed personnel to protect DC monuments http:// hill.cm/b5KNIxX
Oh yeah, those monuments definitely need the National Guard to protect them.
LOL!
They won't get much protection from unarmed guradsmen. Unarmed was the operative word.
Yes unarmed to protect statues.
Not when it comes to peaceful protesters though, right Vic?
Then it's no holds barred.
Right Vic?
An unarmed guard is really no guard at all.
Some of us already know that.
And some pretend that unarmed "guards" could stop people who want to destroy others' property.
What "peaceful" protests?
As far as I'm concerned rioting is a federal offense and protecting anything requires live bullets!
Back in a few.
Group moderators take charge.
Please note that it DOES mention that the statues must be of "Any Person Or Persons In The Armed Forces Of The United States". Those that fought for the Confederacy were NOT in "The Armed Forces Of The United States".
Secondly, you're ignoring the predicate of the statute in part (b). Barr would have to prove that the perpetrator traveled from another state or that the statue was under FEDERAL jurisdiction.
Exactly, the Grant statue was NOT under FEDERAL jurisdiction.
That 'arrow' doesn't apply for the vast majority of the statues that have been vandalized.
Why not address those comments to me? I almost missed them.
Please note that it DOES mention that the statues must be of "Any Person Or Persons In The Armed Forces Of The United States". Those that fought for the Confederacy were NOT in "The Armed Forces Of The United States".
And what category would US Grant fall under?
Secondly, you're ignoring the predicate of the statute in part (b). Barr would have to prove that the perpetrator traveled from another state or that the statue was under FEDERAL jurisdiction
I would venture to say that most of the statues in the DC area are under FEDERAL protection.
Exactly, the Grant statue was NOT under FEDERAL jurisdiction.
WRONG. He was a US military veteran and therefore that statue WAS covered.
So easy to hand their asses to them, huh?
This one claims it never happens to him, but we see otherwise almost daily.
Since you're the author and responsible for moderating this seed, you shouldn't miss any comment here.
Not under Federal jurisdiction.
The vast majority of the statues that have been vandalized are NOT in DC.
WRONG! Get back to me when you learn how to read a statute Vic.
That's called a predicate Vic. So what is the 'Circumstance Describe in Subsection (B) Vic?
YOU posted the statute but you obviously still don't have a fucking clue what it MEANS. If the predicate in subsection (B) are not met, there is NOT offense.
The Grant statue was in Golden Gate Park which is NOT under Federal Jurisdiction. Get Educated.
Nonresponsive to his question.
Your inability to understand my comment is on you.
I understood all too well that you simply didn't answer his question.
Anyone who can even read can see THAT much!
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Is it your posit that Vic has some kind of authority over how I address my comments Tex? Hell, at least I block quoted and commented on the seed, unlike so many gutless wonders here who post back handed comments ABOUT others to their buddies.
Yet YOU are the only one that gives a fuck.
'unlike so many gutless wonders here who post back handed comments ABOUT others to their buddies.'
In the real world, many Confederates were former members of the US military. To think otherwise is to deny reality.
In the real world, the Confederate statues are NOT "Commemorating The Service Of Any Person Or Persons In The Armed Forces Of The United States".
Maybe you and Vic can form a study group on how to read a statute.
look, you wrote that "Those that fought for the Confederacy were NOT in "The Armed Forces Of The United States".'
While it is painfully obvious that while in the service of the Confederacy they were not in the employ of the US government, it remains a fact that many fought FOR the US prior to the Civil War, and some AFTER the Civil War.
My statement stands, despite your attempt at snark.
Oh now you're going to try to pretend that was what you were replying to Tex? You know we can all see what you actually block quoted right?
What remains a FACT is that the statues of CONFEDERATE soldiers COMMEMORATE their service to the CONFEDERACY, NOT their prior or future service in the Armed Forces of the United States.
A perfect example of that fact is that the Robert E. Lee statues have his rank as General. Lee NEVER reached that rank in the Armed Forces of the United States.
He does have a point doesn't he? Chalk that up for Tex. There would be many who would qualify under that provision you took the time to post for all to see.
BTW You never should have used Robert E Lee as an example. He was one of the greatest military minds/leaders in history.
A son of Revolutionary War officer Henry "Light Horse Harry" Lee III , Lee was a top graduate of the United States Military Academy and an exceptional officer and military engineer in the United States Army for 32 years. During this time, he served throughout the United States, distinguished himself during the Mexican–American War , and served as Superintendent of the United States Military Academy . He was also the husband of Mary Anna Custis Lee , adopted great-granddaughter of George Washington . When Virginia's 1861 Richmond Convention declared secession from the Union , Lee chose to follow his home state, despite his desire for the country to remain intact and an offer of a senior Union command. During the first year of the Civil War, he served in minor combat operations and as a senior military adviser to Confederate President Jefferson Davis .
Regardless of the ‘Veterans’ Memorial Preservation and Recognition Act of 2003, which the President intends to enforce, Robert E Lee should get a vote from the American people as to whether his statues remain or get removed. All those who have torn down statues of US veterans or desecrated memorials to US veterans should be prosecuted for the full 10 year prison term for the outrageous act of desecrating these national monuments.