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Statue Destroyed Of Famed Black Abolitionist Frederick Douglass On Anniversary Of Notable Speech

  
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Statue Destroyed Of Famed Black Abolitionist Frederick Douglass On Anniversary Of Notable Speech
A statue of famed black abolitionist Frederick Douglass was destroyed at Maplewood Park in Rochester, New York, over the weekend, which comes on the anniversary of a notable speech that Douglass delivered at an Independence Day event in the city in 1852. "The base and lower part of the statue was damaged, as was a […]

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A statue of famed black abolitionist Frederick Douglass was destroyed at Maplewood Park in Rochester, New York, over the weekend, which comes on the anniversary of a notable speech that Douglass delivered at an Independence Day event in the city in 1852.

"The base and lower part of the statue was damaged, as was a finger on the statue's left hand," the Rochester Democrat and Chronicle reported. "There is historical significance to the timing of the vandalism — though no one can now say whether the timing was mere happenstance — just as there is historical significance to the statue's very location. The Maplewood Park location includes Kelsey's Landing, where Douglass, Harriet Tubman, and others helped shuttle slaves to safety along the Underground Railroad."


The base of a Frederick Douglass statue torn down overnight here in Maplewood Park. Bits of the statue scattered around the area. @News_8pic.twitter.com/L6qgV7bVH2 — Ben Densieski (@BenDensieski) July 5, 2020

Carvin Eison, who helped bring the statue to the city, told the local newspaper that the statue was too damaged to be repaired, but indicated that another statue would be created to take its place.

"Rochester Police are investigating damage done to a statue of Frederick Douglass in Maplewood Park," WXXI News reported. "It happened over the weekend, and police say that the statue was torn off its base, and left about 50 feet from its pedestal. The statue had been placed over the fence to Genesee River gorge and was leaning against the fence."

The destruction of the statue comes on the 168th anniversary of a notable speech that Douglass gave where he said, "The fact is, ladies and gentlemen, the distance between this platform and the slave plantation, from which I escaped, is considerable — and the difficulties to be overcome in getting from the latter to the former, are by no means slight. That I am here today is, to me, a matter of astonishment as well as of gratitude."

"This, for the purpose of this celebration, is the 4th of July," Douglass later added. "It is the birthday of your National Independence, and of your political freedom. This, to you, is what the Passover was to the emancipated people of God. It carries your minds back to the day, and to the act of your great deliverance; and to the signs, and to the wonders, associated with that act, and that day."

The destruction of the statue comes as far-left rioters have destroyed numerous historical statues and monuments in recent weeks, including "statues of former Presidents George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Ulysses S. Grant," as well as the attempted destruction of a "statue of former President Andrew Jackson before being stopped by law enforcement," The Daily Wire reported. "Statues of the man who wrote "The Star-Spangled Banner,"a notable person from the Catholic church, and a Holocaust memorial have also been destroyed in recent days."






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Vic Eldred
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1  seeder  Vic Eldred    4 years ago

Question for progressives: Was Douglass a traitor too?


Carvin Eison, who helped bring the statue to the city, told the local newspaper that the statue was too damaged to be repaired, but indicated that another statue would be created to take its place.

Why didn't local leaders protect the statue they had?


Trump is off topic


 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.2  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    4 years ago
Carvin Eison, a leader of the project that brought the Douglass statue to the park, told the Rochester Democrat & Chronicle another statue will take its place because the damage is too significant.

“Is this some type of retaliation because of the national fever over confederate monuments right now? ” Eison told WROC.

Show your proof that this statue was torn down by "the left". Common sense would dictate that maybe it was torn down by "the right" to send a message about statues. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.2.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @1.2    4 years ago
Show your proof that this statue was torn down by "the left".

First - where did I claim to know who tore it down?

Second - I asked the question to progressives, who have told us that the statues of traitors were being ripped down!

Do you have any answers?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.2.2  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.1    4 years ago

lol. Take that childishness to someone else. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.2.3  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @1.2.2    4 years ago

Actually it's an adult question. Are you saying that progressives can't defend the taking down of statues such as Grant and various abolitionist?

Funny, this is the first one I highlighted.

A recent threat to a statue of Abraham Lincoln in a Washington D.C. park, positioned with a freed slave at his knees:

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The statue showing a slave on his knees with broken chains looking up to Lincoln in gratitude, which implies that the freed slaves were grateful to Lincoln.

Those who want to rip it down interpreted it differently?

Who were they?


Don't know about it, John?


 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.2.4  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.3    4 years ago

Please stop floundering. It is painful to watch. 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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1.2.5  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @1.2    4 years ago

Sorry John, but the legacy of the left and their BLM and Antifa buddies has been made all to clear by repeated tearing down of monuments and statues.

Very weak and pathetic attempt at deflection. Own up to it, these clowns probably had no idea who Frederick Douglas was or what he did.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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1.2.6  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @1.2.4    4 years ago

No...it's you who is floundering and unable to come up with a credible counter argument...and then resort to personal insults.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.2.7  JohnRussell  replied to  Greg Jones @1.2.6    4 years ago

Common sense dictates that the tearing down of a statue of Fredrick Douglas was done as retaliation, by the right, for other statue removals. 

If the "mob"  did it, where is the video? 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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1.2.8  XXJefferson51  replied to  JohnRussell @1.2.7    4 years ago

[DELETED]  We all know it’s the left who did it because he became a Republican, a friend of Lincoln, celebrated the evil American Independence Day, and came to accept the constitution as something that limited rather than promoted slavery.  All offensive to today’s progressive left.

 
 
 
cjcold
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1.2.9  cjcold  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1.2.8    4 years ago

Have to remind you yet once again. Back in that day 

1. Republicans = liberals.

2. Democrats = conservatives.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.2.10  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  cjcold @1.2.9    4 years ago

Wrong.

Republicans = Abolitionists, which later became the party of investment bankers & business, which later became the party of Conservatism, which is again evolving.

Democrats = States Rights, which later became the party of segregation & the working class, which later became the party that housed those two groups plus old fashioned liberals, which evolved into the party of progressives and special interests & special groups.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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1.2.11  Sean Treacy  replied to  cjcold @1.2.9    4 years ago

Imagine believing that...

FDR was a conservative! Calvin Coolidge a liberal! The lies modern liberals tell themselves....

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.2.12  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @1.2    4 years ago
Show your proof that this statue was torn down by "the left". Common sense would dictate that maybe it was torn down by "the right" to send a message about statues. 

FFS.

There is no common sense when it comes to destroying property that isn't your own, or tearing anything down that you don't own.

The nutjobs going around destroying statues have largely, almost exclusively, been left-wing fuckwads. And before you get apoplectic, it would apply to any rightwing nutjobs who do the same.

 
 
 
Ronin2
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1.2.13  Ronin2  replied to  JohnRussell @1.2    4 years ago

Common sense is something in very short supply on the left.

Tell us all who tore down the statue of an Abolitionist in WI? It sure as hell wasn't the right.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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2  Buzz of the Orient    4 years ago

Unless the perpetrators are identified, how can you even suggest, with your first question, that it was progressives?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.2  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @2    4 years ago

My question didn't suggest the who did it - I asked progressives to justify it under their previous defenses of statues being ripped downnnnn.

So far only 3 have shown up. Two are claiming that it was the right EVEN THOUGH THEY CAN'T PROVE THAT CLAIM.

You on the other hand want to twist my words.

I was hoping all of you could do better.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.2.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.2    4 years ago

What utter nonsense. The right is truly shameless. 

They tried to suggest dumbass leftists tore this statue down, with no evidence of such. Then they try to suggest that leftists are responsible no matter who did it. lol. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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2.2.2  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.2    4 years ago

You're right, Vic, "suggest" was the wrong word to use.  You IMPLIED it was the progressives. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.2.4  JohnRussell  replied to    4 years ago
I decided to go The Russian hoax way of thinking even if it is proven that it wasn't a leftist I will for the next two years claim other wise.

Congratulations. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.2.5  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @2.2.2    4 years ago

Buzz, you helped your new found friends (are they your friends?) down a rabbit hole. A simple answer to the question (preferably a NO) would have left progressives with the high ground. The refusal to answer speaks volumes. One of the things it tells us is that they know exactly who ripped that statue down!

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.2.6  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.2.5    4 years ago

Vic keeps doubling down and doubling down and doubling down..........

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.2.7  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @2.2.6    4 years ago

And John keeps dancing and dancing and dancing......

 
 
 
Dulay
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2.2.8  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.2.5    4 years ago
A simple answer to the question (preferably a NO) would have left progressives with the high ground.

Actually Vic, rejecting the premise of your question IS the high ground. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.2.9  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dulay @2.2.8    4 years ago

The high ground is over here.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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2.2.10  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @2.2.1    4 years ago

You claim stuff done by the right wingers, without evidence, all the time. So prove right wingers tore down Douglas' statue.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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2.2.11  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @2.2.6    4 years ago

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XXJefferson51
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2.2.12  XXJefferson51  replied to  JohnRussell @2.2.1    4 years ago

The right if you’ll remember Friday and Saturday [DELETED] speeches was promoting another statue of him with other American heroes including Harriet Tubman and Booker T. Washington in a national garden.  

 
 
 
Dulay
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2.2.13  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.2.9    4 years ago

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Dulay
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2.2.14  Dulay  replied to  Dulay @2.2.13    4 years ago

Oh my bad, I forgot I what is a group bubble...

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.2.15  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @2.2.6    4 years ago
Vic keeps doubling down and doubling down and doubling down.......

Her, I'll help you out and finish your sentence correctly:

......and winning, and winning, and winning!

There!

Perfect now!

 
 
 
JBB
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3  JBB    4 years ago

I hope they catch the white nationalists responsible! 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  JBB @3    4 years ago

If it was any such thing they would have been stopped!

As John said - PROVE IT

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
3.1.1  JBB  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1    4 years ago

It was done clandestinely. If BLM protesters did it there would be film. You got way out ahead of yourself on this one. I don't have to prove shit. Dollars to donuts it was some racist white nationalists angry that Confederate statues have been removed who did this. Nothing else makes any sense. And, I hope they catch them!

 
 
 
Dulay
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3.1.2  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1    4 years ago
If it was any such thing they would have been stopped!

PROVE IT!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.1.3  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  JBB @3.1.1    4 years ago
It was done clandestinely.

It was?  I think it more likely a case of officials who don't defend public property, at least when it comes to those whom they agree with. Obviously, we will never know - OH, THAT"S WHY YOU ARE CLAIMING IT WAS SOMEONE ELSE!  I GOT IT NOW!

Are you up to answering my simple question?

 
 
 
bccrane
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3.1.4  bccrane  replied to  JBB @3.1.1    4 years ago
Nothing else makes any sense.

Unless you want everyone to think and blame white nationalists, so until they catch who did it, it can still go either way.  Remember the African-American church that was burned by an arsonist who wrote Trump on the wall to make everyone think a Trump supporter did it and it turned out to be someone more aligned with Hillary that did it.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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3.1.5  Texan1211  replied to  JBB @3.1.1    4 years ago
Dollars to donuts it was some racist white nationalists angry that Confederate statues have been removed who did this. Nothing else makes any sense. And, I hope they catch them!

But , of course, you have no proof of who pulled it down.

We do know for a fact that there are certain groups engaging in this pattern of tearing shit down that they personally don't like.

None of what they do makes any fucking sense at all.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.2  XXJefferson51  replied to  JBB @3    4 years ago

You mean the terrorist inspiring racist misogynistic money laundering people that are the SPLC right?

 
 
 
Dulay
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3.2.1  Dulay  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.2    4 years ago

Where did he mention SPLC Xx? Why do you throw out irrelevant shit? 

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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4  Nerm_L    4 years ago

Why is this surprising?  Destruction of the statue by fucking idiot protesters is just as plausible as some idiotic act of retaliation.  Fucking idiots control the streets.  Whether they are on the political left or on the political right won't change the fact that they are all fucking idiots.

You know, the easiest thing to have done would have been to allow slavery to continue.  There wasn't any incentive to end the institution of slavery except moral justifications and patriotic appeals to fulfill the intent of the nation's founders.  If the country was truly racist, as is being claimed by fucking idiots, then the obvious choice would have been to allow slaves to remain slaves.  Pragmatic political expediency would have been served by simply ignoring slaves.

Frederick Douglass proved to be an ingrate.  The country made great sacrifices to end the institution of slavery.  But those sacrifices were not shared equally by those, like Douglass, who benefited from the sacrifice.  Slaves did not free themselves.  

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Nerm_L @4    4 years ago
Frederick Douglass proved to be an ingrate.  The country made great sacrifices to end the institution of slavery.  But those sacrifices were not shared equally by those, like Douglass, who benefited from the sacrifice.  Slaves did not free themselves.  

Another in a string of bizarre statements by you. Douglas, nor any other slave who was freed by emancipation, owed any "gratitude" to the emancipators. The 'emancipators' allowed slavery to continue for EIGHTY SEVEN years after the founding of the nation. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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4.1.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1    4 years ago
Another in a string of bizarre statements by you.

The only thing bizarre, is the idea that we are to suddenly believe that somebody other than those who have been doing all the statue toppling & rioting is involved!

 
 
 
Nerm_L
Professor Expert
4.1.2  Nerm_L  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1    4 years ago
Another in a string of bizarre statements by you. Douglas, nor any other slave who was freed by emancipation, owed any "gratitude" to the emancipators. The 'emancipators' allowed slavery to continue for EIGHTY SEVEN years after the founding of the nation. 

The 'emancipators' could have allowed slavery to continue another EIGHTY SEVEN years.  The slaves did not free themselves.  

What did the 'emancipators' get out of the deal?  National cemeteries, a national holiday, parades, patriotic speeches.  And the scorn of an ungrateful people.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
4.1.3  JohnRussell  replied to  Nerm_L @4.1.2    4 years ago

Racism is not to be articulated on Newstalkers. 

 
 
 
Nerm_L
Professor Expert
4.1.4  Nerm_L  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.3    4 years ago
Racism is not to be articulated on Newstalkers. 

Then why do you articulate racism on News Talkers?

History proves through the sacrifice of many that the United States was not racist.  Yet you are perpetuating a racial stereotype.  

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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4.1.5  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.3    4 years ago

Racism is not to be articulated on Newstalkers. 

But the race card is constantly being played by some here on NT.

Article after article after article.

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Expert
4.2  Dulay  replied to  Nerm_L @4    4 years ago
There wasn't any incentive to end the institution of slavery except moral justifications and patriotic appeals to fulfill the intent of the nation's founders. 

Oh is that all? /s

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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4.3  XXJefferson51  replied to  Nerm_L @4    4 years ago

i disagree completely about Frederick Douglas.  He was a great American.  

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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5  JohnRussell    4 years ago
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