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Agree or Disagree with 'America's Frontline Doctors,' But Big Tech Shouldn't Be Deciding for You

  
Via:  XXJefferson51  •  4 years ago  •  98 comments

By:   Michael Austin

Agree or Disagree with 'America's Frontline Doctors,' But Big Tech Shouldn't Be Deciding for You
The media’s focus on Immanuel also comes off as hypocritical for those on the intersectional, progressive left. Their main target of criticism just happens to be the only African woman in the group and they are bashing her for holding non-Western cultural views, which in any other circumstances would be considered by the left an example of blatant racism and xenophobia. As strange as many of Immanuel’s views are, her argument for hydroxychloroquine, along with the arguments of the other...

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We need to go after big tech for all their ridiculous biases and prejudices.  They shouldn’t be able to dictate views and opinions that can or can’t be seen or heard.  It’s criminal that they are targeting legitimate news organizations like Breitbart, Daily Caller, CNS, and WND for covering a real news event and putting it on line.  And of course we must the defend the option of we the people to decide along with our doctor to use Hydrochloroquiene should we desire to.  


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In a recent viral video, a group of health professionals calling themselves “America’s Frontline Doctors” advocated for the use of hydroxychloroquine as a treatment for COVID-19.

Facebook and Twitter, the two most widely used social media platforms, have both been removing and censoring any mention of the video, flagging it as “false information.”

In doing so, these tech giants are deciding which board-certified experts deserve public visibility and which experts don’t.

Twitter and Facebook are fully willing to share the opinions of the World Health Organization and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention despite the fact that both public health organizations have been wildly inconsistent with their findings on the coronavirus.

At one point, the CDC said that American’s don’t need masks, but now the organization has changed its mind. CDC Director Robert Redfield had even told a House committee in February that “There is no role for these masks in the community,” according to MarketWatch .

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The WHO defended China on multiple occasions and said that the country had handled the public health crisis well despite the fact that multiple reports suggest the Chinese government went to great lengths to cover up the outbreak. One peer-reviewed study even found that 95 percent of COVID-19 infections could have been prevented if only China had acted sooner.

Nevertheless, the media defends these organizations at every turn while completely silencing groups like America’s Frontline Doctors for sharing a dissenting opinion.

The liberal establishment media has focused especially intense scrutiny on Dr. Stella Immanuel, one of the doctors involved in the group.

Immanuel has espoused her fair share of radically unorthodox, unscientific medical opinions. For instance, she believes alien DNA is being used in medical treatments and certain ailments are caused by demons and witches, according to the  Daily Beast .


Are social media companies like Twitter and Facebook biased against conservatives?


Using these views of Immanuel to discredit the entire organization, however, comes off as a bit dishonest, especially considering that the rest of America’s Frontline Doctors are apparently reputable.

The media’s focus on Immanuel also comes off as hypocritical for those on the intersectional, progressive left.

Their main target of criticism just happens to be the only African woman in the group and they are bashing her for holding non-Western cultural views, which in any other circumstances would be considered by the left an example of blatant racism and xenophobia.

As strange as many of Immanuel’s views are, her argument for hydroxychloroquine, along with the arguments of the other members of America’s Frontline Doctors, deserves to be heard by the public.

A handful of large tech companies — including Facebook and  Twitter  — with proven track records of engaging in political bias shouldn’t act as  informational gatekeepers ; they shouldn’t get to decide which opinions the American people get to hear.

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Nonetheless, these tech giants and others have made it clear for months now that, when it comes to the coronavirus pandemic, they are fully willing to silence anyone with a dissenting opinion, no matter their level of expertise.

In an April interview with CNN, YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki announced that the video-sharing platform would be removing any content that contradicted the WHO’s coronavirus guidelines, as if no reputable medical authorities could ever possibly disagree with that organization.

“Anything that would go against World Health Organization recommendations would be a violation of our policy and so remove is another really important part of our policy,” Wojcicki said.

In times of great uncertainty when people are turning to big tech and social media to get their information, letting a group of Silicon Valley elites decide which voices should be heard and which should be silenced sets a dangerous precedent.

Americans — indeed, all people everywhere — deserve to hear from all of the experts, not just those approved by liberal Silicon Valley elitists.


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XXJefferson51
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1  seeder  XXJefferson51    4 years ago

Are social media companies like Twitter and Facebook biased against conservatives?

Using these views of Immanuel to discredit the entire organization, however, comes off as a bit dishonest, especially considering that the rest of America’s Frontline Doctors are apparently reputable.

The media’s focus on Immanuel also comes off as hypocritical for those on the intersectional, progressive left.

Their main target of criticism just happens to be the only African woman in the group and they are bashing her for holding non-Western cultural views, which in any other circumstances would be considered by the left an example of blatant racism and xenophobia.

As strange as many of Immanuel’s views are, her argument for hydroxychloroquine, along with the arguments of the other members of America’s Frontline Doctors, deserves to be heard by the public.

A handful of large tech companies — including Facebook and  Twitter  — with proven track records of engaging in political bias shouldn’t act as informational gatekeepers ; they shouldn’t get to decide which opinions the American people get to hear.

RELATED: Google Reportedly Has Diminished Breitbart Search Results 99.7%, Daily Caller Gets Savaged Too

Nonetheless, these tech giants and others have made it clear for months now that, when it comes to the coronavirus pandemic, they are fully willing to silence anyone with a dissenting opinion, no matter their level of expertise.

In an April interview with CNN, YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki announced that the video-sharing platform would be removing any content that contradicted the WHO’s coronavirus guidelines, as if no reputable medical authorities could ever possibly disagree with that organization.

“Anything that would go against World Health Organization recommendations would be a violation of our policy and so remove is another really important part of our policy,” Wojcicki said.

In times of great uncertainty when people are turning to big tech and social media to get their information, letting a group of Silicon Valley elites decide which voices should be heard and which should be silenced sets a dangerous precedent.

https://thenewstalkers.com/vic-eldred/group_discuss/9409/agree-or-disagree-with-americas-frontline-doctors-but-big-tech-shouldnt-be-deciding-for-you

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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1.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1    4 years ago

https://www.instagram.com/p/CDPyVzInQ8g/?igshid=1g63dwonfvjm6

 
 
 
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1.1.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1.1    4 years ago

Big Tech Censorship – Ben Garrison Cartoon

President Trump needs to break up the leftist Silicon Valley social media monopolies.

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He should break up Amazon while he’s at it. The globalist billionaires running their monopolies claim they own platforms for communication. The moguls sometimes compare what they do to the phone companies. Those who operate the phone companies are not responsible for what callers say. OH wait…the social media moguls said they only provided the platforms and they weren’t publishers, but now they are. They are editors, too. Conservatives, Q-followers, anti-vaxxers, and Christians are among those facing suspensions, deletions, and outright bans.

Imagine the phone companies not liking what you say and so you can no longer use your phone.

It’s the same with the Internet town square. Outright tyrants are controlling it. Now they are blatantly trying to control the upcoming presidential election and they don’t want Trump to win again.

I’m told that if people don’t like getting banned, they should simply build their own social media platform. Yeah, sure. Most people don’t have the few billion dollars required to build an infrastructure. Even if they did, it’s nearly impossible to get others to break ingrained habits such as Facebook. A few alternative social media platforms are sprouting here and there, such as Parler.com, but they are nowhere at the level of the Big Tech monopolies.

When the super rich get super duper rich, they want to buy influence and control people. They want to control the world. Computer nerd Bill Gates is accomplishing this right now. Jeff Bezos turned the Washington Post into his personal anti-Trump blog. The social media moguls are controlling us by means of blatant censorship. They are monopoly men that own most of the Internet today and now they want to control minds, even if it means the destruction of our First Amendment.

It’s disgusting and they must be stopped. They have the financial might, but that doesn’t make them right.

—Ben Garrison

https://www.conservativedailynews.com/2020/07/big-tech-censorship-ben-garrison-cartoon/

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.1.2  Tessylo  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1.1.1    4 years ago

"He should break up Amazon while he’s at it. The globalist billionaires running their monopolies claim they own platforms for communication. The moguls sometimes compare what they do to the phone companies. Those who operate the phone companies are not responsible for what callers say. OH wait…the social media moguls said they only provided the platforms and they  weren’t   publishers, but now they are. They are editors, too. Conservatives, Q-followers, anti-vaxxers, and Christians are among those facing suspensions, deletions, and outright bans.

Imagine the phone companies not liking what you say and so you can no longer use your phone.

It’s the same with the Internet town square. Outright tyrants are controlling it. Now they are blatantly trying to control the upcoming presidential election and they don’t want Trump to win again.

I’m told that if people don’t like getting banned, they should simply build their own social media platform. Yeah, sure. Most people don’t have the few billion dollars required to build an infrastructure. Even if they did, it’s nearly impossible to get others to break ingrained habits such as Facebook. A few alternative social media platforms are sprouting here and there, such as Parler.com, but they are nowhere at the level of the Big Tech monopolies.

When the super rich get super duper rich, they want to buy influence and control people. They want to control the world. Computer nerd Bill Gates is accomplishing this right now. Jeff Bezos turned the Washington Post into his personal anti-Trump blog. The social media moguls are controlling us by means of blatant censorship. They are monopoly men that own most of the Internet today and now they want to control minds, even if it means the destruction of our First Amendment.

It’s disgusting and they must be stopped. They have the financial might, but that doesn’t make them right."

—Ben Garrison

What a steaming pile of crap!

This moron Ben Garrison obviously has no idea what a monopoly is either.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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1.1.3  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Tessylo @1.1.2    4 years ago

I’m glad you liked it!  I’ll have to post more of his cartoons here in your honor!  

 
 
 
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2  JBB    4 years ago

This right here is some Orwellian shit. Pure-Ow-Shit.

Butt, what about the rights of management and shareholders to protect the integrity and good reputations of their platforms and their responsibilities of public trust? Tokyo Rose and Axis Annie might agree with the author butt no freedom loving Americans ever should!

The hallmark of reputable and successful media platforms is the professional way in which they exercise editorial control of their content. 

Just because you think it doesn't mean they have to print it. Or, in the case of social media provide a platform for the dissemination of disinformation or especially of harmful divisive foreign propaganda...

 
 
 
pat wilson
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3  pat wilson    4 years ago

Do you really want the government stepping in and telling private media companies what their content can be ? This would include Fox News, Breitbart, Rush and numerous others.

Be careful what you wish for.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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4  Tessylo    4 years ago

"Agree Or Disagree With 'America's Frontline Doctors,' But Big Tech Shouldn't Be Deciding For You"

I DISAGREE 1,000% with 'America's Frontline Doctors' But Big Tech ISN'T DECIDING FOR YOU

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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4.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Tessylo @4    4 years ago

Really?  By taking down a pro Hydrochloroquiene viewpoint expressed by medical professionals because other medical professionals disagree and then punishing both those who covered the event and those who shared it isn’t deciding for us?  

 
 
 
Dulay
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4.1.1  Dulay  replied to  XXJefferson51 @4.1    4 years ago

Bullshit Xx. That batshit 'doctor' stated FALSE information. PERIOD, full stop. 

 
 
 
pat wilson
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4.1.2  pat wilson  replied to  XXJefferson51 @4.1    4 years ago
a pro Hydrochloroquiene viewpoint expressed by medical professionals

Are you including the "doctor' who believes in "demon sperm" and "alien DNA" causing health problems ?

 
 
 
Tessylo
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4.1.3  Tessylo  replied to  XXJefferson51 @4.1    4 years ago

Punished how?

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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4.1.4  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Dulay @4.1.1    4 years ago

The liberal establishment media has focused especially intense scrutiny on Dr. Stella Immanuel, one of the doctors involved in the group.

Immanuel has espoused her fair share of radically unorthodox, unscientific medical opinions. For instance, she believes alien DNA is being used in medical treatments and certain ailments are caused by demons and witches, according to the  Daily Beast.


Are social media companies like Twitter and Facebook biased against conservatives?

Using these views of Immanuel to discredit the entire organization, however, comes off as a bit dishonest, especially considering that the rest of America’s Frontline Doctors are apparently reputable.

The media’s focus on Immanuel also comes off as hypocritical for those on the intersectional, progressive left.

Their main target of criticism just happens to be the only African woman in the group and they are bashing her for holding non-Western cultural views, which in any other circumstances would be considered by the left an example of blatant racism and xenophobia.

As strange as many of Immanuel’s views are, her argument for hydroxychloroquine, along with the arguments of the other members of America’s Frontline Doctors, deserves to be heard by the public.

https://thenewstalkers.com/vic-eldred/group_discuss/9409/agree-or-disagree-with-americas-frontline-doctors-but-big-tech-shouldnt-be-deciding-for-you#cm1374382

 
 
 
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4.1.5  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Dulay @4.1.1    4 years ago

Not related to Hydrochloroquiene and it’s potential beneficial effects of used early on, she didn’t.  

 
 
 
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4.1.6  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  pat wilson @4.1.2    4 years ago

Yes I’m referring to the African educated woman doctor who engaged in some cultural non western ideas foreign to us having nothing to do with the subject of Hydrochloroquiene and it’s benefits in the here and now. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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4.1.7  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Tessylo @4.1.3    4 years ago

By censorship and MBFC like content controlling by social media of certain views.  

 
 
 
Dulay
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4.1.8  Dulay  replied to  XXJefferson51 @4.1.5    4 years ago
Not related to Hydrochloroquiene and it’s potential beneficial effects of used early on, she didn’t.

She didn't say that Hydroxychloroquine had 'potential benefits' Xx, she said that it CURES Covid 19.

THAT is a LIE. 

 
 
 
Dulay
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4.1.9  Dulay  replied to  XXJefferson51 @4.1.4    4 years ago

I'll never understand why you think that repeating the same bullshit over and over again bolsters your posit. 

BTFW, NOT ONE of these 'America’s Frontline Doctors' is an emergency room doctor OR an Epidemiologist. One is an Ophthalmologist, one a Osteopathist and one is an investment fund manager. 

As for whether their bullshit deserves to be 'heard by the public', you seem to think that those debunking their lies does NOT deserve to be heard. WHY? 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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4.1.10  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Dulay @4.1.9    4 years ago

I never said anyone shouldn’t be heard. I said no one in this situation should be prevented from being heard.  The irony is that by doing what they did the social media companies ended up making this into a big issue and gave them more exposure by censoring them on their format than they’d likely have ever received otherwise.  The key for us conservatives is that when social media engages in censorship is to use other platforms to give the censored more attention and publicity than they’d ever received had nothing at all been done. Just like the Chick Fil A and Goya boycotts.  

 
 
 
pat wilson
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4.1.11  pat wilson  replied to  XXJefferson51 @4.1.6    4 years ago

512

 
 
 
Tessylo
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4.1.12  Tessylo  replied to  XXJefferson51 @4.1.7    4 years ago

Ridiculous nonsense.  

 
 
 
Dulay
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4.1.13  Dulay  replied to  XXJefferson51 @4.1.10    4 years ago
I never said anyone shouldn’t be heard.

Your seed implies that criticism of them is 'dishonest'. 

The rest of your screed is ridiculous and it looks like you endorse disseminating lies to the detriment of the lives of Americans. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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4.1.14  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Dulay @4.1.8    4 years ago

For some, it has been just that.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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4.1.15  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Dulay @4.1.9    4 years ago

I never said anyone should not be heard.  That would be a lie about what I said.  I object to preventing a certain viewpoint about an issue from being heard.  I believe that the answer to speech one disagrees with is more speech to say why I disagree or get my point out there too.  I don’t advocate for the silencing or prevention of any constitutionally protected free speech. As long as it’s not shouting fire in a crowded theater or inviting a riot, or the like it should be heard.  

 
 
 
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4.1.16  Krishna  replied to  XXJefferson51 @4.1.4    4 years ago
would be considered by the left an example of blatant racism and xenophobia.

Sex with Demons? The serious impact of having "Alien DNA"??
That's not racist or sexist-- its just plain nuts!!!

 
 
 
Dulay
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4.1.17  Dulay  replied to  XXJefferson51 @4.1.14    4 years ago
For some, it has been just that.

It would be great if you could prove that Xx but you can't. Neither you or any of 'America's frontline doctors' have one iota of evidence to support that LIE while there are a plethora of empirical studies that prove otherwise. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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4.1.18  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Dulay @4.1.17    4 years ago

The bottom line!

 
 
 
Dulay
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4.1.19  Dulay  replied to  XXJefferson51 @4.1.18    4 years ago

I don't play your instagram games Xx. Use your words. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
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5  Tessylo    4 years ago

Also, what was Ralph Norman doing there?  He's in the picture for this article.  At the 'press conference' for these "frontline doctors"

This is from the turd's facebook page.  

"The timing on this simply could not have been better. Yesterday, I co-sponsored a bill called “Stop the Censorship Act of 2020.” This is in response to the SELECTIVELY APPLIED censorship, “shadow banning” and account suspensions from many of these social media companies. It’s gotten out of control.
Since Monday, I’ve had numerous interviews on this important topic following what happened to Stella Immanuel. She’s the doctor who was trying to explain what she’s done in her medical practice treating coronavirus patients. Her phrasing wasn’t the best, for sure, but the efforts to “cancel” her and eliminate her comments from every corner of social media has been RIDICULOUS. (See links in comments if you missed it earlier.)
Anyway, this new legislation makes an adjustment to an existing law called the Communications Decency Act. As currently written, that law provides immunity for media companies who remove user-provided content that they deem to be “obscene, lewd, lascivious, filthy, excessively violent, harassing, or otherwise objectionable...”
The first six in that list are obviously reasonable. But does anyone see the problem with the phrase “otherwise objectionable”? Objectionable to whom?! And by what standard?!
Objectionable is defined as “undesirable or offensive” according to Merriam-Webster. It’s not more precisely defined in the law, which means anonymous censors at these social media companies get to set that benchmark, and remove content that’s not to their liking. It’s NOT difficult to find example after example of double-standards and the selective use of this authority. And I’m tired of it!
If they want to flag or put disclaimers on things they feel may be objectionable, then fine! But unless something is obscene, lewd, lascivious, filthy, excessively violent, or harassing (as the law is written), it’s not okay to silence someone’s voice!!
The bill I co-sponsored yesterday will revoke immunity for the removal of "otherwise objectionable" content and replace it with immunity for the removal of content that is "unlawful, or that promotes violence or terrorism."
There are many people who rely on social media platforms for their news & information, and adults should be capable of deciding for themselves what is worth hearing. This bill will help reduce inappropriate censorship, which I think most of us fully support."
 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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5.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Tessylo @5    4 years ago

The event was organized by Tea Party Patriots and the congressman hosted the event on Capitol Hill.  Thus it was a legitimate political organization putting on an event with licensed medical persons discussing an issue hosted by a US Congressperson thus making it a news event.  Breitbart News and maybe others live-streamed the News worthy event. 

 
 
 
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5.1.1  Tessylo  replied to  XXJefferson51 @5.1    4 years ago

They are not a legitimate political organization.  They're not grass roots, they're astroturf.  Promoting quackery and pseudoscience.  

It was not newsworthy.  It was garbage.  Hence it's removal from all platforms.  

 
 
 
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5.1.2  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Tessylo @5.1.1    4 years ago

You do t get to decide what groups are legitimate political organizations.  I’m a proud member of Tea Party Patriots and we have every right to help in the election of people to office and to participate in events with them.  The doctors are real medical doctors and the  science is mixed as there’s just as much or more positive for HCQ as not.  It was most certainly newsworthy and it’s removal from those platforms was wrong and on the positive side said removal created such a storm of backlash that they and their event got far more publicity than it would have if the platforms had said and done nothing about it at all. Bottom line is that when those platforms do that to us on any issue, we are going to take it everywhere else and make a big enough fuss about it that what ever they are trying to censor and prevent from being heard on their platforms will get so much exposure everywhere else that the censors and their content control freak friends will wish they hadn’t tried it. 

 
 
 
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5.1.3  Krishna  replied to  XXJefferson51 @5.1.2    4 years ago
You do t get to decide what groups are legitimate political organizations.  I’m a proud member of Tea Party Patriots

Wow-- that is totally bizarre!

Are you serious?

WOW!

I

 
 
 
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Surge Summary: The evidence is convincing: Hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) is an affordable, effective, safe and available treatment against COVID-19. Political and financial reasons motivate some “experts” to oppose its use. Someday, this will be acknowledged as a shameful event.

by Bryan Fischer

One of the many unfounded and uninformed myths that have taken hold of the media, the public, and the Deep State is that hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) is voodoo medicine that does not work against the Chinese virus.

The NIH has known since 2005 that HCQ is effective against the Covid family of viruses. But for reasons we’ll get to in a moment, this truth has been suppressed, demonized, and ridiculed. And folks who believe what the science says have been aggressively censored on Twitter, Facebook, and Google. Even the president’s son had his Twitter account suspended for 12 hours for having the temerity to challenge the spectacularly wrong conventional wisdom on the subject.

HCQ is a medication that has been in constant use since 1944. It has virtually no detectable side effects. Deleterious side effects would inevitably have surfaced somewhere along the line after 76 years of use. But none have. The most commonly cited one, even by doctors who refuse to prescribe HCQ, is the utterly bogus claim that it causes heart problems.

But heart arrhythmias are so rare with this medication that they are not even listed among the possible side effects of the drug. Hundreds of millions of doses of HCQ have been safely dispensed over the years. I myself took it back in the day when I traveled to malarial countries on mission trips. Not only did I not get malaria, I got no side effects of any kind to boot.

An Oxford University study of more than 320,000 older patients revealed arrhythmia excess death rates of less than nine per 100,000 users. A new paper in the American Journal of Medicine by well-recognized cardiologists around the world agrees entirely with this analysis.

But the most damaging myth is that HCQ doesn’t work against COVID-19. This is the kind of wrongthink George Orwell was referring to when he said, “Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals believe them.” This is the kind of bent scholarship Paul warned Timothy about when he told him to avoid “what is falsely called knowledge” (1 Timothy 6:20).

Dr. Harvey Risch is a distinguished epidemiologist at the Yale School of Public Health. He is so knowledgeable and accomplished that he has written over 300 peer-reviewed articles and has been recruited to serve on the editorial board of any number of scientific publications. Referring to HCQ, he says flatly, “The key to defeating COVID-19 already exists. We need to start using it.” He adds, “When this inexpensive oral medication is given very early in the course of illness, before the virus has had time to multiply beyond control, it has shown to be highly effective, especially when given in combination with the antibiotics azithromycin or doxycycline and the nutritional supplement zinc.”

Because HCQ had been demonized and consequently not used, “tens of thousands of patients with COVID-19 are dying unnecessarily.” And because it has been demonized, heroic doctors have put their medical careers at risk by prescribing it for needy patients who just want to live. Two of them are fighting state medical boards as we speak to save their licenses to practice medicine. Says Dr. Risch, “The cases against them are completely without scientific merit.”

Risch refers to no fewer than 12 studies which have clearly demonstrated the benefit of HCQ. One study included 400 high-risk patients with zero deaths; another included 500 high-risk patients in nursing homes, again with no deaths; and a controlled trial of 700 high-risk patients in Brazil resulted in just two deaths among the 334 patients who were treated with HCQ.

In Brazil, when deaths began to increase, the public hospital laid up 90,000 doses of HCQ and the death rate almost immediately began to plummet and is now one-eighth of what it was at the peak.

Switzerland banned outpatient use of HCQ and saw deaths increase four-fold. The Swiss sensibly reversed the ban about a month later, and the death rate reverted to what it had been before in about two weeks.

Without equivocation, Dr. Risch says HCQ and its companion medications “should be immediately adopted as the new standard of care in high-risk patients…The combination should be prescribed in high-risk patients immediately upon clinical suspicion of COVID-19 disease, without waiting for results of testing.”

Because it has been so demonized, the medical community is no longer judging this drug strictly on the science. Instead it has become a “marker of political identity.” President Trump likes it and has actually taken it with no ill effects, and so Trump-haters think only idiots would want to use it. This, says Dr. Risch, “is not how medicine should proceed.”

It is impossible not to think that plain human greed has a lot to do with the suppression of the truth about HCQ. It’s a generic drug, and a full course of treatment costs about 30 bucks. Nobody stands to make a killing off HCQ. There’s no money in it.

Remdesivir, the current alternative of choice, not only doesn’t work, it costs $3,500 for a course of treatment, and it has to be administered in the hospital by injection. HCQ, on the other hand, is taken orally. As things stand, whoever gets a completely unnecessary vaccine to market first stands to make about $19 billion. The Deep State in the medical community is a big club, whose denizens all look out for each other. That’s why HCQ has no friends and hoped-for vaccines have huge fan clubs.

Here is Dr. Risch’s conclusion:

In the future, I believe this misbegotten episode regarding hydroxychloroquine will be studied by sociologists of medicine as a classic example of how extra-scientific factors overrode clear-cut medical evidence. But for now, reality demands a clear, scientific eye on the evidence and where it points. For the sake of high-risk patients, for the sake of our parents and grandparents, for the sake of the unemployed, for our economy and for our polity, especially those disproportionally affected, we must start treating immediately.....

https://dailysurge.com/2020/08/lets-say-it-again-hcq-is-answer-to-covid-19-dont-let-scoffers-lie-to-you/
 
 
 
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https://www.instagram.com/p/CDaD930j97e/?igshid=1ojzjzebl6lwc

 
 
 
Tessylo
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6.1.1  Tessylo  replied to  XXJefferson51 @6.1    4 years ago

Those doctors aren't on the front line of anything!

How ridiculous!

 
 
 
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6.1.2  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Tessylo @6.1.1    4 years ago

They are right. 

 
 
 
Krishna
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6.1.3  Krishna  replied to  Tessylo @6.1.1    4 years ago
Those doctors aren't on the front line of anything!

Well-- they may be on the front line of an audition for a new 3 stooges movie! 

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sandy-2021492
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6.2  sandy-2021492  replied to  XXJefferson51 @6    4 years ago
The most commonly cited one, even by doctors who refuse to prescribe HCQ, is the utterly bogus claim that it causes heart problems.
But heart arrhythmias are so rare with this medication that they are not even listed among the possible side effects of the drug.

Bryan Fischer is lying.

Apheresis, AV block, bradycardia, cardiomyopathy, celiac disease, females, fever, geriatric, heart failure, human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) infection, hyperparathyroidism, hypocalcemia, hypokalemia, hypomagnesemia, hypothermia, hypothyroidism, long QT syndrome, myocardial infarction, pheochromocytoma, QT prolongation, rheumatoid arthritis, sickle cell disease, sleep deprivation, stroke, systemic lupus erythematosus (SLE)
Hydroxychloroquine prolongs the QT interval. Use hydroxychloroquine with caution in patients with conditions that may increase the risk of QT prolongation including congenital long QT syndrome, bradycardia, AV block, heart failure, stress-related cardiomyopathy, myocardial infarction, stroke, hypomagnesemia, hypokalemia, hypocalcemia, or in patients receiving medications known to prolong the QT interval or cause electrolyte imbalances. Females, geriatric patients, patients with sleep deprivation, pheochromocytoma, sickle cell disease, hypothyroidism, hyperparathyroidism, hypothermia, systemic inflammation (e.g., human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) infection, fever, and some autoimmune diseases including rheumatoid arthritis, systemic lupus erythematosus (SLE), and celiac disease) and patients undergoing apheresis procedures (e.g., plasmapheresis [plasma exchange], cytapheresis) may also be at increased risk for QT prolongation.
 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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6.2.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  sandy-2021492 @6.2    4 years ago

But heart arrhythmias are so rare with this medication that they are not even listed among the possible side effects of the drug. Hundreds of millions of doses of HCQ have been safely dispensed over the years. I myself took it back in the day when I traveled to malarial countries on mission trips. Not only did I not get malaria, I got no side effects of any kind to boot.

An Oxford University study of more than 320,000 older patients revealed arrhythmia excess death rates of less than nine per 100,000 users. A new paper in the American Journal of Medicine by well-recognized cardiologists around the world agrees entirely with this analysis.

But the most damaging myth is that HCQ doesn’t work against COVID-19. This is the kind of wrongthink George Orwell was referring to when he said, “Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals believe them.”

https://thenewstalkers.com/vic-eldred/group_discuss/9409/agree-or-disagree-with-americas-frontline-doctors-but-big-tech-shouldnt-be-deciding-for-you#cm1375022

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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6.2.2  sandy-2021492  replied to  XXJefferson51 @6.2.1    4 years ago

Repeating the lie doesn't make it any less a lie.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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6.2.3  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  sandy-2021492 @6.2.2    4 years ago

The 9 out of 100,000 is factually true.  Most of the opposition to HCQ is about the money as HCQ is so cheap for the user compared to the stuff being produced in a panic now.  

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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6.2.4  sandy-2021492  replied to  XXJefferson51 @6.2.3    4 years ago

His words, repeated twice now by you:

But heart arrhythmias are so rare with this medication that they are not even listed among the possible side effects of the drug.

They're a lie.

 
 
 
Dulay
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6.3  Dulay  replied to  XXJefferson51 @6    4 years ago

Trump health official: Time to ‘move on’ from hydroxychloroquine

 
 
 
Tessylo
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7  Tessylo    4 years ago

You take the word of Bryan Fischer and some quack?

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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7.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Tessylo @7    4 years ago

Bryan Fischer is right!  I like him more when he writes for WND, Alliance Defending Freedom, Family Research Center, The Stream, CNS, Breitbart, and all the other like places but I’ll take his writings anywhere I find them. Too many Americans have needlessly died of covid-19 due to the insane opposition to the use of Hydrochloroquiene.  

 
 
 
Kavika
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7.1.1  Kavika   replied to  XXJefferson51 @7.1    4 years ago

Not surprising that you support a bigot like Fischer. 

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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7.1.2  sandy-2021492  replied to  Kavika @7.1.1    4 years ago

Didn't Fischer hire the oldest Duggar kid to help in the fight against same-sex marriage?  He was so scared of gays that he hired a pedophile who got a kick out of beating up the women with whom he cheated on his wife.

Good hiring decision.

 
 
 
Kavika
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7.1.3  Kavika   replied to  sandy-2021492 @7.1.2    4 years ago
Good hiring decision.

Yeah, gay people scare the hell out of him. Of course so do people of color, Muslims, Jews, and just about everyone except his inbred following.

 
 
 
pat wilson
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7.1.4  pat wilson  replied to  sandy-2021492 @7.1.2    4 years ago

Not to mention the incest in the "19 Kids and Counting" family.

 
 
 
pat wilson
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7.1.5  pat wilson  replied to  XXJefferson51 @7.1    4 years ago
Hydrochloroquiene.  

At least take the time to spell it correctly

hydroxychloroquine

Too many Americans have needlessly died of covid-19 due to the insane opposition to the use of Hydrochloroquiene.  

You've lost your @$#%.

 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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7.1.6  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  pat wilson @7.1.5    4 years ago

I went with the spell check on my phone so just get over it already...

 
 
 
pat wilson
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7.1.7  pat wilson  replied to  XXJefferson51 @7.1.6    4 years ago

maybe spell chuck your phone (in the trash) already

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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7.1.8  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  pat wilson @7.1.7    4 years ago

It’s a brand new phone.  The new iphone XS that came out as the people’s phone in late April/early May.  It was $399.00 and replaced my original iphone 6 I had since it first was available.  

 
 
 
Krishna
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7.1.9  Krishna  replied to  XXJefferson51 @7.1.6    4 years ago
I went with the spell check on my phone so just get over it already...

Aha!

So that explains a lot....

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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7.1.10  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Kavika @7.1.1    4 years ago

At least I don’t support a bigot like BidEn!  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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7.1.11  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Krishna @7.1.9    4 years ago

You can get over it too.  I am not a spelling or grammar Nazi eager to deliberately derail topics on purpose over such trivial matters.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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7.1.12  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Kavika @7.1.1    4 years ago

That you don’t like him is reason enough for many to greatly appreciate him.....

FOCAL POINT

Focal Point on American Family Radio's Talk Network is the home of muscular Christianity.  Join host Bryan Fischer each weekday from 1-2 PM CST.

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    FOCAL POINT | FRIDAY, JULY 31, 2020
    Yale Doctor: Fauci Waging A “Misinformation Campaign” Against HCQ
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    FOCAL POINT | THURSDAY, JULY 30, 2020
    People Who Reject HCQ Do Not Know What They’re Talking About
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    FOCAL POINT | WEDNESDAY, JULY 29, 2020
    HCQ Costs $30, Works; Remdesivir Costs $3500, Doesn’t
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    FOCAL POINT | TUESDAY, JULY 28, 2020
    Democrats Still The Party Of Secession
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    FOCAL POINT | MONDAY, JULY 27, 2020
    John Lewis Marched Because DEMOCRATS Denied His Right To Vote
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    FOCAL POINT | FRIDAY, JULY 24, 2020
    If We Need To Eliminate Racist Symbols, Democrat Party Is Next
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    FOCAL POINT | THURSDAY, JULY 23, 2020
    Coronavirus Vaccines Made With Cells From Aborted Babies - No Thanks
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    FOCAL POINT | WEDNESDAY, JULY 22, 2020
    Margaret Sanger: One Of Worst Racists and White

  • https://afr.net/podcasts/focal-point/

 
 
 
Kavika
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7.1.13  Kavika   replied to  XXJefferson51 @7.1.12    4 years ago
That you don’t like him is reason enough for many to greatly appreciate him.....

I agree, most bigots love him.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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7.1.14  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Kavika @7.1.13    4 years ago

Bigotry is a tool of the secular progressive directed at Christians and conservatives.    I have no experience with that emotion/ behavior.  

 
 
 
Kavika
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7.1.15  Kavika   replied to  XXJefferson51 @7.1.14    4 years ago
I have no experience with that emotion/ behavior.  

You certainly do if you're a follower or fan of Fischer.

Even the AFA disassociated itself from Fisher because of his racist statements. 

Here is an example of his bigotry.

Fischer has claimed, for example, that black people “rut like rabbits”; that the First Amendment applies only to Christians; that Hispanics are “socialists by nature” and come to the U.S. to “plunder” the country; that Muslims should not be permitted to build mosques in the United States; that an underground railroad is needed to protect children from gay parents; and more.

There is your hero, a bigot.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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7.1.16  Tessylo  replied to  XXJefferson51 @7.1    4 years ago

No, Fischer is incorrect.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
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7.1.17  Tessylo  replied to  XXJefferson51 @7.1.12    4 years ago
"FOCAL POINT | THURSDAY, JULY 23, 2020
Coronavirus Vaccines Made With Cells From Aborted Babies - No Thanks"
What the huh?

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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7.1.18  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Tessylo @7.1.16    4 years ago

Actually, he is correct!

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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7.1.19  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Tessylo @7.1.17    4 years ago

It would be awful if it came to that.  Based on stem cell issues if it did progressives would demand we all pay for the research and subsidize its use by others.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
7.1.20  Tessylo  replied to  XXJefferson51 @7.1.19    4 years ago

It's nonsense.  No vaccines are made from 'aborted babies'

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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7.1.21  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Tessylo @7.1.20    4 years ago

Not yet anyway...

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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8  seeder  XXJefferson51    4 years ago

"This will allow the Board to re-examine the issue with the assistance of the State Medical Board of Ohio, clinical experts, and other stakeholders to determine appropriate next steps.
Licensees should be aware that emergency rule 4729-5-30.2 is no longer effective and the requirements of that rule, including the inclusion of a diagnosis code on any prescription for chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine, are no longer applicable."

Ohio was going to join New York, Nevada, and Idaho in placing restrictions on hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine for COVID-19 patients.

"The Board of Pharmacy and the State Medical Board of Ohio should revisit the issue, listen to the best medical science, and open the process up for comment and testimony from experts," DeWine said in a prepared statement.

The restriction was going to prohibit pharmacies, clinics and other medical institutions from dispensing or selling hydroxychloroquine, and the related drug chloroquine, for these purposes... https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/hydroxychloroquine-ohio-mike-dewine-governor/2020/07/30/id/979841/

 
 

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