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Border chief says 'breaking point' has arrived

  
By:  XDm9mm  •  IMMIGRATION  •  4 months ago  •  58 comments

Border chief says 'breaking point' has arrived

That breaking point has arrived this week at our border,"

Customs and Border Protection (CBP) Commissioner Kevin McAleenan told reporters on Wednesday that the U.S. immigration system has reached a "breaking point" of illegal border crossings.

“Two weeks ago, I briefed the media and testified in Congress that our immigration system was at the breaking point. That breaking point has arrived this week at our border," McAleenan said in El Paso, Texas. 

"CBP is facing an unprecedented humanitarian and border security crisis all along our Southwest Border and nowhere has that crisis manifested more acutely than here in El Paso,” he added. 

“For the first time in over a decade, CBP is performing direct releases of migrants when [Immigration and Customs Enforcement] is unable to provide bed space to relieve overcrowding,” McAleenan said. 

He also said the high number of immigrant families coming into the country is resulting in illnesses in CBP facilities. He said he has become aware of people suffering from chicken pox, lice, fevers, seizures and heart problems.

"We are doing everything we can to simply avoid a tragedy in a CBP facility,” he said. “But with these numbers, with the types of illnesses we’re seeing at the border, I fear that it’s just a matter of time.”

Officials estimate that the number of people trying to cross the southern border could hit 1 million this year, ABC News reported Wednesday

Over the past five years, and more markedly since 2017, Central American families have replaced single Mexican men as the bulk of border crossers.

Families tend to surrender themselves to Border Patrol or Customs and Border Protection officers to request asylum in the United States, while individual migrants in the past were more likely to attempt to enter the U.S. surreptitiously.

According to The Washington Post, the overcrowding is the worst around El Paso, Texas, with Border Patrol stations at 300 percent to 400 percent capacity. 

He called on Congress to act to address these issues and also said the government would be asking Mexico to do more.

McAleenan was scheduled to appear before the House Appropriations Committee on Wednesday for a budget hearing, but the hearing was postponed. 

Source:  https://thehill.com/latino/436105-cbp-chief-says-breaking-point-has-arrived-at-border

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XDm9mm
1  author  XDm9mm    4 months ago

So, can anyone tell me EXACTLY when the ILLEGAL ALIEN INVASION will be deemed a "crisis"?

I believe it's not only already here, but has been for decades of inaction by BOTH major political parties that turned a blind eye to the problem.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2  author  XDm9mm    4 months ago
In February, more than 76,000 migrants crossed the US–Mexico border without authorization,

Source:  https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/hamedaleaziz/migrants-housed-under-bridge-el-paso-border-agent-increase

 
 
 
gooseisgone
2.1  gooseisgone  replied to  XDm9mm @2    4 months ago
In February, more than 76,000 migrants crossed the US–Mexico border without authorization

You mean 76,000 new Democrat voters.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
2.1.1  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  gooseisgone @2.1    4 months ago
You mean 76,000 new Democrat voters

With so many you'd think Republicans could come up with at least one or two actual cases of illegals voting. In Bizzaro GOP world we can have conclusive evidence that Russian propaganda reached at least 120 million Americans during the 2016 election, but Republicans deny it had any effect, while at the same time they claim that 3 million illegals voted which is why Trump lost the popular vote, but they don't have any evidence or an actual case to present to prove it.

There is no crisis at the border, it's a xenophobic fantasy enflamed by unfounded rhetoric and using the tiny fraction of violent criminals or drug cartels to justify demonizing millions of hard working humans just trying to survive. Am I for open borders? Hell no. We should have a robust border control actively seeking to keep out violent crime and gangs. Do I think we should spend millions on policing some non-violent migrant workers just doing what they think is best for their families, or tens of billions on a useless border wall in low traffic areas? Of course not. Reform our immigration policy, allow for migrant workers to come, work, pay taxes, obey our laws and then go home just like many other foreign worker visas. The wall is just a stupid vanity symbol for white supremacists and xenophobes who have been worked into a lather by political opportunists who knew they could rally them with false messaging of "white culture" in decline and telling bigots they're "being invaded".

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2.1.2  author  XDm9mm  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @2.1.1    4 months ago
With so many you'd think Republicans could come up with at least one or two actual cases of illegals voting.

Well, here ya go.  It's a few more than one or two.

08/27/2018

19 foreign nationals indicted for illegally voting in 2016 elections

WILMINGTON, N.C. – Nineteen foreign nationals were charged with unlawfully voting in the 2016 elections Friday, and a U.S. citizen was charged with aiding and abetting an alien to falsely claim U.S. citizenship to register to vote. The indictments follow an investigation by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement’s (ICE) Homeland Security Investigations (HSI) as part of a newly created Document and Benefit Fraud Task Force (DBFTF) in the Eastern District of North Carolina.

A federal grand jury in Wilmington charged the following foreign nationals with falsely claiming U.S. citizenship to register to vote in North Carolina, and also with unlawfully voting. If convicted, these individuals face maximum penalties of six years in federal prison, a $350,000 fine, and a term of supervised release:

  • Jose Cruz Solano-Rodriguez, age 41, of Mexico;
  • Guadalupe Espinosa-Pena, age 63, of Mexico;
  • Sarah Emilia Silverio-Polanco, age 35, of the Dominican Republic;
  • Elizabeth Nene Amachaghi, age 44, of Nigeria;
  • Maria Rufina Castillo-Boswell, age 31, of Philippines;
  • Dora Maybe Damatta-Rodriguez, age 64, of Panama;
  • Elvis David Fullerton, age 54, of Grenada;
  • Olive Agatha Martin, age 71, of Guyana;
  • Kaoru Sauls, age 54, of Japan.

Separately, criminal charges of voting by an alien were filed against the following foreign nationals. If convicted, these individuals face maximum penalties of twelve months in federal prison, a $100,000 fine, and a term of supervised release:

  • Jose Jaime Ramiro-Torres, age 52, of El Salvador;
  • Juan Francisco Landeros-Mireles, age 64, of Mexico;
  • Alessandro Cannizzaro, age 46, of Italy;
  • Dieudonne Soifils, age 71, of Haiti;
  • Hyo Suk George, age 69, of Korea;
  • Merius Jean, age 54, of Haiti;
  • Rosemarie Angelika Harris, age 60, of Germany; and
  • Daniel Tadeusz Romanowski, age 39, of Poland.

Separately, criminal charges of fraud and misuse of visas, and unlawfully voting, were filed against Diana Patricia Franco-Rodriguez, age 26, of Mexico. If convicted, Franco-Rodriguez faces maximum penalties of 26 years in federal prison, a $350,000 fine, and a term of supervised release.

Denslo Allen Paige, age 66, is charged with aiding and abetting Espinosa-Pena in falsely claiming U.S. citizenship to register to vote. If convicted, Paige faces a maximum sentence of five years in federal prison, a $250,000 fine, and a term of supervised release.

The charges and allegations contained in the indictments are merely accusations. All defendants are presumed innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law.

The case is being prosecuted federally by the office of Robert J. Higdon, Jr., United States Attorney for the Eastern District of North Carolina.

SOURCE:  https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/19-foreign-nationals-indicted-illegally-voting-2016-elections

Oh, please note that the source is NOT//NOT a "right wing" news outlet, it is NOT//NOT FOX or any media outlet of any kind.  It is a release from the US Government.

NEXT!!

 
 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
2.1.4  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  XDm9mm @2.1.2    4 months ago
NEXT!!

19 with only 3 from Mexico. [deleted] So where are the other 2,999,981 supposed illegal voters? Where are even the claimed 76,000?

Where is the real election fraud?

"This requirement disproportionately disadvantaged college students, who number more than 90,000 in a state with a voting-age population of slightly more than one million. In Georgia, 53,000 voter registrants—70 percent of whom were black—were placed in “pending” status by the secretary of state because of minor misspellings or missing hyphens on their registration forms"

This report describes some of the voter suppression measures and other Election Day problems that potentially kept millions of eligible Americans from participating in the 2018 midterm elections. These include:

  1. Voter registration problems
  2. Voter purges
  3. Strict voter ID and ballot requirements
  4. Voter confusion
  5. Voter intimidation and harassment
  6. Poll closures and long lines
  7. Malfunctioning voting equipment
  8. Disenfranchisement of justice-involved individuals
  9. Gerrymandering

An analysis by the Arizona Republic found that registered voters in Maricopa County, Arizona, “[h]ave been purged from the voter rolls nearly 1.1 million times since the 2008 election.” The study found that communities of color and low-income neighborhoods were more likely to be removed from the voter rolls than people living in predominantly white, wealthy neighborhoods.

https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/democracy/reports/2018/11/20/461296/voter-suppression-2018-midterm-elections/

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/03/us/politics/voting-suppression-elections.html

So while you couldn't even rustle up two dozen cases, and ONLY 3 FROM MEXICO, you ignore the tens of thousands, perhaps even millions of Americans who are being systematically disenfranchised all due to the ruse of illegal immigrants voting in any sort of large numbers. This is where I feel almost a little bad a real hell doesn't exist where these disgusting GOP [deleted] who were caught by the courts "targeting black Americans with almost surgical precision" with their voter ID laws can rot.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2.1.5  author  XDm9mm  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @2.1.4    4 months ago
19 with only 3 from Mexico.

I personally don't give a shit WHERE they're from.   One illegal alien invader voting is one too many.  ONE is negating the LEGAL vote of an eligible American voter.

Did you need a golf clap or a pat on the back?

I need nothing, [delete]

So where are the other 2,999,971 supposed illegal voters?

I have no idea where you pulled that tidbit of prose, but from nothing I posted here.

Where are even the claimed 76,000?

[deleted]  Here's what I posted:

In February, more than 76,000 migrants crossed the US–Mexico border without authorization,

Source:  https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/hamedaleaziz/migrants-housed-under-bridge-el-paso-border-agent-increase

So, please show me EXACTLY where I claimed 76,000 voters as you alluded to.

Oh, here's a hint.  This seed is about ILLEGAL ALIEN INVADERS and the CBP reaching a breaking point.  [deleted]

 
 
 
gooseisgone
2.1.6  gooseisgone  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @2.1.1    4 months ago
There is no crisis at the border, it's a xenophobic fantasy enflamed by unfounded rhetoric

I don't know what's funnier, you thinking the Democrats don't want all 76,000 criminal aliens to vote or the Democrat list of talking points to explain how they lose elections.

I think you believe the Democrat party cares about these criminal aliens other than for their votes.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
2.1.7  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @2.1.1    4 months ago
while at the same time they claim that 3 million illegals voted which is why Trump lost the popular vote, but they don't have any evidence or an actual case to present to prove it.

You see, DP, here's the thing, the way to disprove those claims is for California to show us it's voter rolls. As long as California refuses to do that anyone can make any claim they want!

There is no crisis at the border

That may be the biggest lie of the year, second only to Trump conspiring with Russia.

Please read:

"U.S. Border Patrol officials in Arizona said they have started releasing migrant families from their custody into the streets of Yuma because processing centers can't cope with the large numbers of arriving families and minors.

Community groups in the Yuma area have set up temporary facilities to house the families and to provide food and shelter while they assist migrants with travel plans to leave the border city.

The Border Patrol issued a statement Thursday announcing its decision, which followed the lead of officials in the Rio Grande Valley in south Texas, who last week began releasing families from their custody.

"U.S. Border Patrol processing centers are not designed to house the current numbers of families and small children that we are encountering," the Border Patrol's Yuma sector said in a written statement. "Due to capacity issues at our stations and the ongoing humanitarian crisis nationwide, Border Patrol has begun identifying detainees for potential release in Yuma with a notice to appear for their immigration hearings."

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/immigration/2019/03/28/border-patrol-begins-releasing-migrants-yuma/3301641002/

Our own laws have created this CRISIS and the democrats in congress want it thus!

 
 
 
Texan1211
2.1.8  Texan1211  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.7    4 months ago
You see, DP, here's the thing, the way to disprove those claims is for California to show us it's voter rolls. As long as California refuses to do that anyone can make any claim they w

Funny how the same fools who believe Trump managed to "hide" something in his tax returns from an army of IRS agents specifically trained to ferret out improprieties somehow "think" that California is NOT "hiding" anything by not disclosing its voter rolls and that Abuela Clinton didn't "hide" anything in the thousands and thousands of emails she "deleted".

 
 
 
Tacos!
2.1.9  Tacos!  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @2.1.1    4 months ago
There is no crisis at the border

So, you know more about it than this Border Patrol Commissioner? I mean that in all sincerity. Disregard Trump and his campaign slogan. I have seen multiple high ranking Border Patrol officials (e.g., the commissioner in this seed's story, this San Diego BP Chief, and the Chief of the whole Border Patrol) pleading for help at the border, including advocating for more wall. I have seen nothing that proves them wrong. All I have seen is empty declarations that there is no crisis at the border. And if all these experts are wrong, how in the world did they get their jobs?

and then go home

What makes you think these people are interested in going home? Ever?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
2.1.10  Vic Eldred  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.8    4 months ago
Funny how the same fools who believe Trump managed to "hide" something in his tax returns

Ya, that would be a perfect analogy!

 
 
 
WallyW
2.1.11  WallyW  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @2.1.1    4 months ago
There is no crisis at the border,

I'll tend to agree with the people who are there and directly involved with the problem, instead of the lies of open borders loons.

 
 
 
†hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh
3  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh    4 months ago

Where are the border Truthers at today?

 
 
 
XDm9mm
3.1  author  XDm9mm  replied to  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh @3    4 months ago
Where are the border Truthers at today?

On other threads pissing and moaning about the Mueller findings as they were not what they hoped with the entirety of their being they would be.

 
 
 
Sparty On
3.2  Sparty On  replied to  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh @3    4 months ago

Figuring out how to spin their latest screwed up stance

Give it time, the ridiculous rationalizations are on the way ....

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
4  Ed-NavDoc    4 months ago

But, but, but, there's no crisis at the border. It's all a "manufactured" crisis! At least that is what many progressive liberals that don't live anywhere close to the border still keep saying...

 
 
 
XDm9mm
4.1  author  XDm9mm  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @4    4 months ago
But, but, but, there's no crisis at the border.

Well, when there are some Democrats believing ILLEGAL ALIEN INVADERS should have the right to vote, nope there isn't a crisis.....  it's simply an opportunity to register new voters.

 
 
 
It Is ME
5  It Is ME    4 months ago

He shouldn't "Beg" the Democrats for help....he should just let the border go to pot Like everyone else does with their lives that get's Financial paydays from Big Liberals for "Not wanting to work" !

Then sit in the street and SCREAM LOUDLY !

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
5.1  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  It Is ME @5    4 months ago
he should just let the border go to pot Like everyone else does with their lives that get's Financial paydays from Big Liberals for "Not wanting to work" !

Scumbag's not "letting it got to pot."  He's been deliberately putting it in one ever since his filthy ass started running for office.  But funny to see you mix two famous and unrelated rightwing myths, together.  If that doesn't reek of desperation nothing does. 

 
 
 
XDm9mm
6  author  XDm9mm    4 months ago

While this IS dated (2014), it's still indicative of what we in border states deal with every day.

Hidden Cameras Capture Smugglers Crossing Border 'No-Man's Land'

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/investigations/hidden-cameras-capture-smugglers-crossing-border-no-man-s-land-n175696

There are several video links in the NBC story.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
7  author  XDm9mm    4 months ago

Locking for the night.

Buenas noches.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
8  author  XDm9mm    4 months ago

Good morning one and all.....

It's open once again, for those who want border security and those who want illegals from the world to continue invading this country.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
8.1  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  XDm9mm @8    4 months ago

I actually pity those delusional souls who are incapable of seeing what those of us who live on the border see on a daily basis. Instead of going to the border and actually talking to people that live there,  they instead choose to get their info from questionable and heavily biased source's that also have no clue as to the realities of life on the border. And then they wonder why folks question their credibility.

 
 
 
bbl-1
9  bbl-1    4 months ago

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bbl-1
9.1  bbl-1  replied to  bbl-1 @9    4 months ago

Too much for you, huh?

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
10  The Magic Eight Ball    4 months ago

trump will probably close the border.

 
 
 
nightwalker
11  nightwalker    4 months ago

Well, nothing left to do, I guess except to start shooting them at the border. The holding pens are all full (which of trump's friends is getting a few bucks for running that?) Oh wait, save the younger kids, we'll raise them religious and docile and good workers, but not citizens of course.

Save some of them women, too.jrSmiley_9_smiley_image.gif

The joke is, many of these people are running away from their countries because of violence and in fear for their lives. Yes, just shoot them.

HEY! GREAT IDEA! trump is threatening to close the border if Mexico doesn't stop the emigrants at their side of the border. Another great cut your nose off to spite your face idea, but it'll help screw this country up some more, so that's good.

The great idea is, we have MEXICO shoot them, the only thing better then if the U.S. shoots them. trump would forgive them those inhumane acts, eventually, I'm sure.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
11.1  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  nightwalker @11    4 months ago

Advocating shooting people? Whether joking or not, pretty sure that is a blatant COC violation. 

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
11.1.1  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @11.1    4 months ago
Advocating shooting people?

Oh, puhleeze.  jrSmiley_78_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
12  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו    4 months ago

Scumbag has deliberately done everything he could to manufacture this crisis.  Of course, lying about it before he took office was the first step and every step since then has been aimed at making it come true.  Threatening to close the border entirely sent the message to desperate people in Central America that they'd better head toward the border ASAP.  Stifling the asylum process at border crossings led to people (LEGALLY) crossing at other places to claim asylum.  Cramming those asylum seekers into concentration camps on the border instead of releasing them to sponsors provided another pretext for this "emergency" due to the policies and actions of Scumbag's scumbags in DHS. Now the latest move to make everything worse is to cut off aid to the three CA countries most of these desperate people were coming from will kill any chance of slowing their exodus out.  It's a crime against humanity happening in real time.  

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
12.1  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @12    4 months ago

And this chart proves it (I know, rightwingers don't like charts but that doesn't mean charts don't matter):

384

 
 
 
†hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh
12.1.1  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @12.1    4 months ago

Your chart is a year old. We are actually having a current events discussion. You should join it.

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
12.1.2  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh @12.1.1    4 months ago

It's the most up-to-date information I could find.  If youi've got more current data, show it.  

 
 
 
XDm9mm
12.1.3  author  XDm9mm  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @12.1.2    4 months ago

No charts, just this:

Illegal Immigration Hits 12-Year High; More than 76,000 Migrants Cross in February

The U.S. Border Patrol is currently encountering illegal immigration at thehighest rates since 2007, according to new data. In fact, in February more than double the level of migrants crossed the border without authorization compared to the same period last year, approaching the largest numbers seen in any February in the last 12 years,The New York Timesreported.

“The truth is that the politics and policies of open borders have failed the American people. Our broken system endures, and the ongoing humanitarian and security crisis at our Southwest Border leaves many minors and families at extreme risk of being exploited by traffickers, human smugglers, gangs, and other nefarious actors seeking to profit at their expense,” said Secretary of Homeland Security Kirstjen M. Nielsen. “Activist courts, congressional inaction, and criminals intent on breaking our laws stand in the way of confronting illegal and uncontrolled migration threatening our safety and security. What was a crisis, is now a full-fledged emergency.”

Source:  https://www.dhs.gov/news/2019/03/06/humanitarian-and-security-crisis-southern-border-reaches-breaking-point

Or if you don't want to believe anyone from the Trump administration, how about this from Jeh Johnson, the Obama era DHS Secretary:

Obama DHS secretary says border crisis is real: 'I cannot begin to imagine' 4K apprehensions per day

Source:  https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/mar/29/jeh-johnson-says-border-crisis-is-real-i-cannot-be/

 
 
 
Sparty On
12.1.4  Sparty On  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @12.1.2    4 months ago

Yeah, like usual you didn't look too hard.   I found this on my first google search:

https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration

Migration was up in 2018 and its on pace to nearly double that this year.

You ever get tired of pushing the disinformation you try to sell here .... check that ..... i already know the answer to that question.

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
12.1.5  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Sparty On @12.1.4    4 months ago

So those are incomplete numbers for 2019 but it does show a continuing increase from 2018 which is exactly the point.  Scumbag's policies have indeed caused a stampede to the border as I described in the comment that began this thread.  So what exactly is it you think you've discovered here? 

 
 
 
Sparty On
12.1.6  Sparty On  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @12.1.5    4 months ago

Lol ... you are a real piece of work that's for sure.

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
12.1.7  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Sparty On @12.1.6    4 months ago
Lol ... you are a real piece of work that's for sure.

Is that the best you could come up with? No defense for your own absurd claims?  What would you like for your consolation prize?

 
 
 
Sparty On
12.1.8  Sparty On  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @12.1.7    4 months ago

dot dot dot .... carry on wayward son

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
12.1.9  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Sparty On @12.1.8    3 months ago
dot dot dot .... carry on wayward son

That's what has to be called diving head-long from absurdity to the depth of inanity. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
12.1.10  Sparty On  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @12.1.9    3 months ago

..... there willl be peace when you are done ....

 
 
 
Texan1211
12.1.11  Texan1211  replied to  Sparty On @12.1.10    3 months ago
.... there willl be peace when you are done ....

Carry on, wayward son!

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
12.1.12  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Texan1211 @12.1.11    3 months ago

Off-key all the way.  And your song should be more like the theme from the Smurfs anyway. 

 
 
 
1stwarrior
12.2  1stwarrior  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @12    4 months ago

You do know, of course, that a person can claim asylum at any U.S. Embassy, right?  There are 8 U.S. Embassies in Mexico - with the main one in Mexico City.  So, why didn't these "so desperate" people actually follow the law and make application at one of the embassies?  Why did they have to travel over 1,000 miles to illegally cross the U.S. borders?  If they can't follow either portion of the law, we sure the hell don't need them in our country.

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
12.2.1  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  1stwarrior @12.2    4 months ago
You do know, of course, that a person can claim asylum at any U.S. Embassy, right? 

Sure.  And you know a person seeking asylum  can legally walk across the border at any point for that purpose, right? 

 
 
 
1stwarrior
12.2.2  1stwarrior  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @12.2.1    4 months ago

They have to go to a port of entry and "request" to cross and request application for asylum.  They can't cross any damn place they feel like it.  You understand that, right?

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
12.2.3  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  1stwarrior @12.2.2    4 months ago

I'm sure he does realize it. Just don't expect him to admit it. That would be expecting too much.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
12.2.4  Vic Eldred  replied to  1stwarrior @12.2    4 months ago

Liberal laws have caused this mess. Congress is unwilling to fix it, they prefer the issue rather than the fix, plus there are other benefits. The people fleeing central America know all of this and there is now a tremendous migration going on.

How much can one man do? 

His next move seems to be closing down the border.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
12.2.5  1stwarrior  replied to  Vic Eldred @12.2.4    4 months ago

Started before 1986, but that's when it came to a head.  The Democrats have shown their true sides - they don't want to govern, they want to rule - and it ain't gonna happen this time.

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
12.2.6  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  1stwarrior @12.2.2    4 months ago
You understand that, right?

I understand that you're completely wrong.  And we've put this up before and we know why you antis just will not accept the fact that they don't have to "request" permission to cross the border (as if there's CBP officer every 3 ft. along it to ask).  Of course you've got it backward.  There's no mechanism at the border to ask for asylum before crossing it.  But here's the law again (so you can pretend it doesn't exist again):

8 U.S.C. § 1158(a)(1) specifically provides that “[a]ny alien who is physically present in the United States or who arrives in the United States (WHETHER OR NOT AT A DESIGNATED PORT OF ARRIVAL and including an alien who is brought to the  United States after having been interdicted in international or United States waters), irrespective of such alien’s status, may apply for asylum in accordance with this section or, where applicable, section 1225(b) of this title.”
 
 
 
XDm9mm
12.2.7  author  XDm9mm  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @12.2.6    4 months ago

What I find most interesting is that you seem to neglect this part of that law you quote:

(2)Exceptions
(A)Safe third country
Paragraph (1) shall not apply to analien if theAttorney General determines that the alien may be removed, pursuant to a bilateral or multilateral agreement, to a country (other than the country of the alien’s nationality or, in the case of an alien having no nationality, the country of the alien’s last habitual residence) in which the alien’s life or freedom would not be threatened on account of race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion, and where the alien would have access to a full and fair procedure for determining a claim to asylum or equivalent temporary protection, unless the Attorney General finds that it is in the public interest for the alien to receive asylum in the United States.

.....

(C)Additional limitations

The Attorney General may by regulation establish additional limitations and conditions, consistent with this section, under which analien shall be ineligible for asylum under paragraph (1).

(D)No judicial review

There shall be no judicial review of a determination of the Attorney General under subparagraph (A)(v).

Now, considering the vast preponderance of asylum claims are denied, I understand in the area of approximately 92%, plus the fact that they're claiming the the asylum status for what they purportedly endured in their home country, they are, when coming across Mexico, in a SAFE country and in fact a country that has offered them asylum and work permits.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
12.2.8  1stwarrior  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @12.2.6    4 months ago

You really don't understand what we've been saying.

1.  You can/should go to a port of authority or legal entry point prior to requesting asylum - the preferable choice.

2.  You can/should NOT cross the U.S. border WITHOUT permission to apply for asylum.  You MUST meet with an admissions officer/magistrate for permission to enter the U.S. where you can, then, apply for asylum.

3.  If you cross into the U.S. ILLEGALLY, you will be placed in removal deportation status if caught.  You may request asylum while in the removal deportation status.

4.  If you cross into the U.S. LEGALLY through a port of authority or other legal entry point, you may request asylum and your status will be changed from immigrant to immigrant seeking asylum.

Read what you copied and pasted - specifically these words -“[a]ny alien who is physically present in the United States or who arrives in the United States (WHETHER OR NOT AT A DESIGNATED PORT OF ARRIVAL includes those aliens who have utilized the proper entry process (LEGAL ALIEN) and those who have crossed into the U.S. WITHOUT permission, making them an ILLEGAL ALIEN. 

Yes, you are correct - to apply for asylum, you MUST BE physically in the U.S. - LEGALLY OR ILLEGALLY.  But, if you are here ILLEGALLY, your processing is gonna take a long, long time.

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
12.2.9  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  XDm9mm @12.2.7    4 months ago
I understand in the area of approximately 92%,

It'd be really nice (and rare) if you actually backed claims like this up.  But more to the point, none of the exceptions apply here since the way that Scumbag's homeland security trolls are basically refusing even to vet the people seeking asylum, stacking them up on the Mexican side of the border and deliberately slow-walking (more like crawling) the processing along simply to create the "crisis" and "emergency" they need for the pretext of getting around the law. 

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
12.2.10  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  1stwarrior @12.2.8    4 months ago

Thanks for reminding us for the umpteenth time that we can put the cold hard facts (and law) right in front of you lot and it will always be met by knee-jerk refusal to accept the truth.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
12.2.11  1stwarrior  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @12.2.10    4 months ago

Instead of doing your usual one-liners, how 'bout actually discussing what I presented.  Can you?

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
12.2.12  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  1stwarrior @12.2.11    4 months ago
Instead of doing your usual one-liners, how 'bout actually discussing what I presented. 

Oh, right.  It was so absurd I thought it debunked itself.  Main thing was "can" and "should" show up nowhere in the law.  The law is precise.  Someone seeking asylum may cross at any point along the border for that purpose.  Whether that person qualifies for it is another matter, of course.