Gettr by the Pu$$y

Via:  Bob Nelson  •  2 years ago  •  12 comments

By:   Tim Miller - The Bulwark

Gettr by the Pu$$y

Jason Miller pitched a free-speech utopia.

He got a moderation nightmare.

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We got into a spat over Moderation yesterday. Then this arrived today. Karma!

For the thousandth time... I have great esteem and affection for Perrie.

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S E E D E D   C O N T E N T

512 Ahhh, internet forum moderation policy debates.

Right-wing politicians and pundits will have you believe that their victimization at the hands of overzealous online censors is a challenge both unique and urgent. But for as long as there have been posters posting on the vast information superhighway, the power users among them have discussed the very rules of the road that are perturbing conservatives with passion and verve. These bitter disputes happen no matter the forum. No matter the topic.

A few examples:

How does one ensure that the integrity of the FarmersOnly dating site isn't harmed by the presence of a garden-variety suburban green thumb?

Could the wheel of ChatRoulette keep spinning if the ball track is consistently landing on a lonely man's junk?

Were the lovers' lounges in AOL's People Connection undermined by 13-year-old boys unconvincingly pretending to be 40-year-old divorcees ISO companionship?

One of my favorite message-board haunts, GWHoops.com, was forced to close up shop when our long-suffering site manager was caught betwixt his laissez faire ethos and a troll with multiple personality disorder whose incessant posting overwhelmed the tens of Colonial faithful who merely wanted to vent about Coach Hobbs's defensive schemes.

The same problem (to an exponential degree) bedeviled Craigslist, an unmoderated website that in the early aughts grew to become the world's largest classified ad space and the home to dreamers of all sexualities and genders trying to find that Missed Connection. By 2008, the spammers and scammers and catfishers had begun to swamp the regular old Listers and Craig had to change course to contain them. More than a decade on the site has neither regained its former glory nor resolved the problem.

And thus the question has persisted for sites big and small since the days of the very first usenet groups: How do you balance user experience with the internet's promise of unhindered expression?

At some point over the past few years this debate, which once had been the sole domain of Prodigy Classic Chat administrators, gripped an entire political party.

The protection of uninhibited speech rights on private internet forums is now one of only three proactive policy priorities of the Republican party. (The other two are limiting the speech rights of woke teachers and addressing imaginary voter fraud.) The GOP's newfound passion is driven both top-down by the cult leader who is sad he has lost his toys and bottom-up through demands from MAGA voters.

If you find yourself in any digital space where supporters of the twice-impeached former President Donald Trump gather, you will notice that internet forum moderation is now among their prime concerns.

These great patriots are being CENSORED. And they let you know it on the many platforms where they are mysteriously still allowed to post.

They are pissed that they can no longer spread deadly misinformation about COVID vaccines. Or plot violent coups. Or harrass women, or trans folks, or other users they hate who happen to share the platform with them.

In order to remedy this anti-MAGA discrimination, these salt-of-the-earth trolls are demanding action from their representatives in Washington. But steering the ship of state takes time and the prospect of federal, filibuster-proof message-board moderation legislation seems dim.

Enter: Gettr.

Gettr is the "new" social platform that was founded by Jason Miller, a child-support-duckingdeadbeat dad whose main career distinction is the abject shamelessness with which he defends Donald Trump's lies.

Miller's site is a re-skinned version of a previous app developed by his Chinese billionaire sugar daddy Guo Wengui, who you may remember as the owner of the yacht on which Steve Bannon was arrested.

Gettr tried to brand itself as a Trump-endorsed site, though that was quickly shot down by the Butterscotch Baron of Bedminster, who knows a thing or two about licensing and isn't letting a chinless bootlicker trade on his name unless he's getting a big piece of the action.

Gettr enters a crowded "MAGA social media" space that manages to continue sprouting new companies despite the imposing monopoly power wielded by Facebook, Twitter, Snapchat, TikTok, Telegram, Reddit, and YouTube. It is the successor to, among others, Gab, a "free speech" platform frequented by neo-Nazis, and Parler, a dystopian hellscape I ventured into a year ago.

I wanted to see if Gettr had been able to learn from Parler's mistakes and achieve the utopian free speech ideal that has bedeviled the internet since Day 0.

So I hopped over to the app store to check it out.

First things first: If you are going to download Gettr, I would recommend choosing a spam email account and a unique password, seeing as the site has already been scraped by hackers. (I'm @PayChildSupport; give me a follow!)

Upon download I was greeted with the opportunity to follow "popular users" such as Newsmax, Dinesh D'Souza, Mike Pompeo, and other unapologetic insurrectionists. These suggested accounts indicate that this marketplace will be more akin to the Soviet Safeway which offers only the state-approved brand of detergent rather than a diversity of options competing with one another. I was hoping that there might be more underneath the hood.

I scrolled through the suggested non-verified accounts and clicked on those that caught my eye. I was excited to see that all my friends were here. There's @assplug, @nutboi, @BigRightTiddie, @GayforCummunism, @fat_trump_bussy, @qarmy, @qanonjohn, @johnQanon, @WinningWWG1wga, @pepedeluxe, @Confederate88, @Ni****s88, and more!

I also wanted to get a sense for the quality of discussion emanating from influencer and brand accounts, so I followed @SonicFastFood, @officialChewy, @SubwayUSA, @DominosOfficial, several different official Sean Hannity accounts, @KylieJenner, and Trump's former campaign manager @CLewandowski.

Once I got to 100 follows, I figured I had a nice cross-section of the platform and was ready to experience a truly unbiased social network.

What I found is that Gettr has the same exact problems that have tormented every platform in the history of the internet.

For starters, Gettr's verification system is a mess because the platform hasn't figured out how to resolve the tension between freedom of speech and the freedom to spoof. Which is to say, if you're a Newsmax anchor, you can get a special red Verrit V, meaning that you are who you say you are. Other accounts are stuck with a black V that I could not determine the significance of. Still other accounts display a homemade checkmark.

And the pranksters got me! My very first brand follow—@SonicFastFood—was not a representative of America's heritage of innovative and tasty drive-in cuisine, but rather a digital gathering space for furry porn. Of which there is a lot on Gettr.

Look, that's not my bag of beans but no judgment. If MAGAs are into that sort of thing, that's cool. But let me just say that during my first day on Gettr I didn't come across a single substantive exchange of ideas—but I was exposed to a very great deal of Sonic the Hedgehog erotica. What a world.

But back to our verification problem: The "official" Frito's account posted a series of absurdist memes that featured a suggestion that users should dip their penises into a Wendy's frosty. The "official" Domino's account is much more obsessed with "breeding" than with pizza (and not so subtly requested that women send selfies in which they are covered in feces). Meanwhile the Ford Motor Company is "horny" and has joined the "pisser army" being spearheaded by Still Piss Kink Proud.

None of the non-MAGA celebrity accounts seemed to be genuine, either. The @KylieJenner account tweeted the n-word and followed up with an announcement about how her new make-up line, KylieSkin, was "cumming soon." Memes from these fake accounts were earning dozens of "regeets"—the Gettr netspeak for retweet or share.

The fakers also managed to take over the trending topics, which appear to be suspiciously managed by meddling Gettr overlords in order to not put their most offensive foot forward. At the time of this writing the "trends" were #Elsa and #COVID, but clicking on these stale topics brought you to things like "Real" Nicki Minaj asking her barbz to RETPOST IF TRUMP HAS A PISS KINK #Elsa. (Apparently Nicki hasn't been told that they're called regeets.)

None of these "real" or "official" accounts identify as parodies, and while I'm certain that Frito Lay doesn't appreciate their well-cultivated brand identity being tea-bagged by random trolls, it's at least obvious that the scatalogical endorsements aren't authentic.

But for the MAGA celebs the situation isn't as clear. Rep. Matt Gaetz got ensnared in a controversy when a Gettr account presumed to be a catfish called for pardons for the January 6 insurrectionists. "Corey Lewandowski" posted that his pronouns are Trump/Won. And while my prior assumption would be this is the kind of joke Corey would make, are we sure that was actually him? I emailed to ask and have received no response.

Meanwhile Sean Hannity has many official—"official"?—accounts and there's no way to tell if any of them is authentic.

Taken as a whole, my Gettr newsfeed was a mash-up of catfishes and spoofs, conspiratorial craziness from real-life right-wingers, racial slurs from anonymous Nazi accounts, and pornographic trolling from (I assume) bored libs. The Algonquin Round Table this is not. The marketplace of ideas was barren.

But hey, it's the internet, new sites with dumbass trolls and nutty power users are a dime a dozen. The most revealing part of the Gettr experience wasn't what was on the platform—but what wasn't.

Because it turns out that this cesspool would have been even worse if not for the fact that Jason Miller was doing exactly the same thing that Facebook and Twitter and all the other Big Bad Tech Oligarchs do: moderating his site's content in order to provide a more usable product for his audience.

Complaints about this heavy-handed, neo-Puritan moderation were all over the platform.

@RoseyRose lamented that their previous account had been banned because they told "ben shapiro I want to piss in his lungs."

@Kenma suggested that many of their fellow trolls had been banned.

There was much consternation over the fact that one of the Fake Nicki Minaj accounts was suspended.

@Safeway Official shared a meme that offered a thoughtful critique of Gettr's crackdown on Sonic the Hedgehog porn.

Where's muh free speech?!

Funny how the entire premise behind these "free speech" platforms—and the GOP policies targeting tech censorship and the endless faux outrage on cable news—is negated the minute the complainers are put in charge.

Because what these people inevitably find is that there's no lib cabal targeting them. No grand conspiracy of Silicon Valley billionaire bros.

Instead the founders of Gettr have been crushed by the same banal challenge that every neckbeard site admin and anxiety-riddled Zoomer slaving away at the dystopian Facebook content-moderation farm has confronted from the moment the internet birthed this vast catch basin of human knowledge and obscenity and allowed people to post on it anonymously. The problem is the users. You can't live with 'em. But you can't live without 'em.

So good luck, Jason. As every content moderator who has come before you knows, the job in front of you is not all that different from the new spa treatment offered by Kylie_Cosmetics on Gettr.

I'm sure you'll enjoy it.


Oh, and buddy? When that sweet, sweet Chinese tech money starts coming in? Pay your child support, you freaking deadbeat.


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Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
1  seeder  Bob Nelson    2 years ago

By posting to this seed, you are  agreeing  to abide by the  Group's Rules .

So I guess we may conclude that Moderation is not easy... Gosh! ...   ...   Did any of us ever think it was?

Twitter may have changed the course of history by cutting off Donald Trump's access. The motive was NOT disagreement... it was the fact that Trump was using Twitter to distribute lies.

Twitter took the responsibility of shutting down the Great Liar.

Perhaps smaller forums could give some thought to shutting down liars.

Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
1.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  Bob Nelson @1    2 years ago
So I guess we may conclude that Moderation is not easy.

Of course it isn't which is why we need to leave the mods alone and let them do their jobs

Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
1.1.1  seeder  Bob Nelson  replied to  Trout Giggles @1.1    2 years ago

No. It's why we need to be preoccupied by the rules they use to limit speech on NT. 

Professor Principal
1.1.2  JBB  replied to  Trout Giggles @1.1    2 years ago

Mods? The guy who gives trolls thumbs up?

Professor Guide
1.1.3  Tacos!  replied to  Trout Giggles @1.1    2 years ago
Of course it isn't which is why we need to leave the mods alone and let them do their jobs

Oh, I don’t think so. Just because a job is hard that’s no safe harbor from criticism. If the job is being done poorly, people have a right to speak up and say so. Maybe we need different rules. Maybe moderators need better training. Maybe we need different moderators.

Thrawn 31
Professor Guide
2  Thrawn 31    2 years ago

Yeah, these idiots try to claim their stupid site is some first amendment haven, yet in their policies they clearly state more or less that they reserve the right to  block any comment or any user for any reason. 

In essence they are EXACTLY like every single other social media platform (maybe except the neo-Nazi havens) that wants to make money.

Professor Principal
2.1  JBB  replied to  Thrawn 31 @2    2 years ago

If public platforms allow their members to dox and stalk their members, to threaten and harass to the extent that property, pets or people suffer harm then they could be held responsible for damages...

Thrawn 31
Professor Guide
2.1.1  Thrawn 31  replied to  JBB @2.1    2 years ago

Indeed, and of course no one will want to log on, which will kill advertising revenue. In other words moderation really is necessary if you wanna make some real money of a social media platform, which you know these guys absolutely do.

PhD Quiet
3  igknorantzrulz    2 years ago

That's a misleading false advertisement, WTF is the PORN ! ? Gettr Buy The Pu$$y, to me, forecasted porn, with a definite chance of Golden Showers, butt, don't go Russian it now, it will cum whence it reaches it's Newsclimax. then go, like Trump depositing another lump, in the back of his shortz, cause the Bullshipperz, always be looking for whole knew A's, and Portz

Professor Principal
4  JBB    2 years ago

On NV Sally had a fulltime job rounding up Driftwood's sock puppets. At one time Drifty had so many accounts she was collapsing articles all by her lonesomeass self!

pat wilson
Professor Guide
5  pat wilson    2 years ago

"Furry Porn" ?!?!  People are really f%#ked up.

Masters Principal
5.1  Hallux  replied to  pat wilson @5    2 years ago

At my age with its inherent dwindling vision, all porn is fuzzy.


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