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What is a "fascist"?

  
By:  Bob Nelson  •  last year  •  24 comments


What is a "fascist"?



Subsidiary question for another day:

"If a person is a fascist, is it inflammatory to say that they are a fascist?"

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Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement , characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation and race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy.
- Wikipedia 

So... a party that is "authoritarian", that believes in "a natural social hierarchy", and that advocates a "strong regimentation of society and the economy".

The Republican Party is authoritarian. 

The Republican Party believes in a natural social hierarchy.

The Republican Party favors a strong regimentation of society and the economy.

The Republican Party is fascist.

That is not the same as "the Republican Party is Nazi". The Nazis were alone among the several fascist parties to actively try to murder millions. The other fascists - Italian, Spanish, Greek, Argentine, Brazilian, and several Central American variants - did not murder entire peoples. They were content to murder their political opponents.

American White nationalists get pretty close to Nazism, with some ten thousand racial murders to their "credit"... and the Republican Party gets pretty close to White nationalists... but at most, that would make the Republican Party "Nazi-fellow-travellers", not actual Nazis themselves.

So while the Republican Party is clearly fascist, it is not Nazi.

Yet.


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Bob Nelson
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Thrawn 31
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2  Thrawn 31    last year

Fascism is interesting. And I am of course assuming that we are here to have a real discussion about it.

In a nut shell fascism is more or less a god king. The leader of the state is the state, and the state is the leader. What is good for one is good for all. Of course this is also usually supported by extreme militarism, racism, homphobia, anti-semitism etc. The vilification of the "other", which is whoever the state deems it to be at whatever moment. 

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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3  Nerm_L    last year

Fascism was an outgrowth of western European Socialism.  Central planning, or state planning, is unavoidably authoritarian.  And central planning by the government was a core tenet of Fascism.  

Fascists used institutions to impose cultural ideology established by an elite class onto the population.  That elite class established a centrally planned and state enforced cultural transformation of society.  Speech that did not conform to state approved cultural ideology was censored.  Those who opposed that cultural transformation became enemies of the state and were removed from society.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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Bob Nelson
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3.2  author  Bob Nelson  replied to  Nerm_L @3    last year

Fascism has nothing to do with socialism, other than the name of the German party. In every case, the fascists were tightly linked to the wealthy capitalist class.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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3.2.1  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.2    last year

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Ed-NavDoc
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3.2.4  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.2    last year

The Nazi Party only added socialist to the party name so as to make it seem more palatable to the German masses at the time. 

 
 
 
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Drinker of the Wry
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3.2.6  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @3.2.5    last year

Is censorship an aspect of fascism? 

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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3.2.7  author  Bob Nelson  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @3.2.6    last year

To whom is your question directed?

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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3.2.8  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.2.7    last year

To you Bob.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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3.2.9  author  Bob Nelson  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @3.2.8    last year
Is censorship an aspect of fascism? 

I don't pretend to be an expert, but it seems to me that censorship has been part of every fascist regime. 

Preventing expression, by whatever means, is wrong. Derailing, willfully misinterpreting, making misleading summaries, ... are ways of preventing expression. They are methods commonly used on NT.

 
 
 
George
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3.2.10  George  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.2.9    last year
They are methods commonly used on NT.

Couldn’t agree more,

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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3.2.11  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.2.9    last year

Please don’t fall fool to those expressions. 

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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3.2.12  author  Bob Nelson  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @3.2.11    last year

I don't know what you mean.

 
 
 
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4  Sean Treacy    last year

a) Universal suffrage polled on a regional basis, with proportional representation and voting and
electoral office eligibility for women.
b) A minimum age for the voting electorate of 18 years; that for the office holders at 25 years.
c) The abolition of the Senate.
d) The convocation of a National Assembly for a three-years duration, for which its primary
responsibility will be to form a constitution of the State.
e) The formation of a National Council of experts for labor, for industy, for transportation, for
the public health, for communications, etc. Selections to be made from the collective
professionals or of tradesmen with legislative powers, and elected directly to a General
Commission with ministerial powers.
For the social problems: We demand:
a) The quick enactment of a law of the State that sanctions an eight-hour workday for all
workers.
b) A minimum wage.
c) The participation of workers' representatives in the functions of industry commissions.
d) To show the same confidence in the labor unions (that prove to be technically and morally
worthy) as is given to industry executives or public servants.
e) The rapid and complete systemization of the railways and of all the transport industries.
f) A necessary modification of the insurance laws to invalidate the minimum retirement age; we
propose to lower it from 65 to 55 years of age.
For the military problem: We demand:
a) The institution of a national militia with a short period of service for training and exclusively
defensive responsibilities.
b) The nationalization of all the arms and explosives factories.
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c) A national policy intended to peacefully further the Italian national culture in the world.
For the financial problem: We demand:
a) A strong progressive tax on capital that will truly expropriate a portion of all wealth.
b) The seizure of all the possessions of the religious congregations and the abolition of all the
bishoprics, which constitute an enormous liability on the Nation and on the privileges of the
poor.

c) The revision of all military contracts and the seizure of 85 percent of the profits therein. 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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5  Greg Jones    last year

"Derogatory statements attacking all within a category (e.g. liberals, conservatives, theists, atheists, Democrats, Republicans, Libertarians, etc.) are indirect derogatory references."

The premise of this seed is derogatory, inflammatory, and a sweeping generalization, to boot

As a Republican, you're indirectly labeling me as a fascist.

 

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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5.1  author  Bob Nelson  replied to  Greg Jones @5    last year
As a Republican, you're indirectly labeling me as a fascist.

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Bob Nelson
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5.1.1  author  Bob Nelson  replied to  Bob Nelson @5.1    last year

Seriously, Sandy?

I gave a straight, honest answer, that could have opened an interesting debate. Greg could have explained his disagreement. 

[Your "straight answer" was doubling down on an insult.  That does not foster debate.]

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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5.1.2  author  Bob Nelson  replied to  Bob Nelson @5.1.1    last year
That does not foster debate.

I don't agree... [Deleted]

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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6  Perrie Halpern R.A.    last year

Please read the CoC:

Inflammatory Content

Objectionable Content

Sweeping Generalizations

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