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We're mad as hell about Trump, Clinton, and the Clinton Foundation

  

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Via:  community  •  8 years ago  •  8 comments

We're mad as hell about Trump, Clinton, and the Clinton Foundation

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This is an article by a democrat.  I realize that the article's author will immediately tick off those on the other side of the aisle.  But, as an opinion piece, it does bring up some valid points.


We are mad as hell and we aren't going to take it anymore, to cite an expression from a famous scene in the movie "Network. "





Ira Millstein
 








Richard Davis
 





The initial source of our anger is the controversy over the Clinton Foundation. First, we are mad at the extraordinary hypocrisy of Donald Trump and his acolytes who pretend that significant political donors do not routinely get access to those they support.

We are also mad at the Clintons, who are not doing everything possible to resolve the debate about their foundation to make certain that an extraordinarily unqualified demagogue does not use it to become president of the United States.

And we are mad at the Republican Party, which by nominating such an unqualified person to be president, has made it impossible for the US to have the kind of serious debate on issues that the country needs and deserves.


There certainly can be many fair complaints about how the Clinton Foundation raised money while Hillary Clinton was secretary of state. Accepting large donations from foreign governments and anyone with business before the State Department were clearly poor judgments, creating real appearance issues.


The notion advanced by Trump, however, that some major donors being granted the opportunity to meet with Secretary Clinton or others means that she was corrupt is the height of hypocrisy. While we may not like the system, significant donors and others who help a candidate get elected have always had greater access to those they helped elect and have gained introductions to government officials. (And a contribution to a charity is not as direct a benefit to an officeholder as is a contribution to that person's campaign.)

Can Rudy Giuliani, Paul Ryan, Mitch McConnell or, indeed, any of our elected officials say that significant donors and supporters have not had greater access to them and other officials than they would otherwise have received? Do we really think that friends and supporters of Donald Trump would not have special access to a Trump administration?


Do large donors to the RNC or the DNC receive access to officials of the government as well as to elected Republicans and Democrats? Of course -- or are we blind to reality? Trump himself  said  in a GOP debate in August 2015 that he gave to politicians so they would be "there for me" later on.

This has been true in our political system, even before the most recent flow of large amounts of dollars through so called independent expenditures, and it is true today. It is only corrupt when it's linked to an official act, such as alleged in the cases involving New York's legislative leaders Sheldon Silver and Dean Skelos. There has been no link shown in the case of the foundation.

The notion that the foundation is somehow a sham is also simply not true. The Clinton Foundation has funded numerous worthwhile efforts, including in the areas of global health, economic development and climate change. Among its other programs are also those aimed at improving the lives of girls and women around the world.


We are also, however, mad at the Clintons. Faced with an election where it is critical that Hillary Clinton win and that the country not have to endure the presidency of an unqualified demagogue, she needs to do whatever is necessary to avoid such a result.

No matter what the polls say today, given the negative views of her held by so many, a Clinton victory is far from assured. And issues surrounding the foundation are an election issue. While some positive steps have been taken to address the issues associated with the foundation by limiting future contributions that could create appearance issues and having Bill Clinton step off the board, other steps are necessary.

These added steps, which have been suggested by others, including The New York Times, are particularly important, given the widespread questioning of her character:

1. Chelsea Clinton, not just Bill Clinton, should resign from the board if Hillary Clinton becomes president. If the foundation is going to continue to operate and raise large sums from anyone it cannot be seen as a family enterprise of the sitting president. Neither Bill nor Chelsea Clinton should have any role in the foundation during a Clinton presidency.

2. A bar on contributions from foreign governments and limitations on corporations should go into effect immediately. With Hillary Clinton a candidate for the presidency, suspending acceptance of such contributions now avoids the risk of a flood of contributions shortly before the election, which would only create more appearance issues.



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3. The foundation should devote meaningful time and resources to making sure the American public understands the positive things it has done. Having surrogates like James Carville ranting about people dying if the foundation closes is both ineffective, and, indeed, counterproductive.

Our country faces enormous challenges and presidential elections should provide voters with the opportunity to choose between competing views about how those challenges should be addressed.

We are Democrats, but strongly believe it is important that both parties nominate for president only those who are truly qualified to assume the enormous responsibilities of that office. When a party nominates someone as unqualified as Donald Trump by virtue of his temperament, personal character and lack of knowledge and experience, there can be no meaningful debate about the issues. The only way to avoid the disaster of a Trump presidency is to vote for Hillary Clinton.

In short, while we may not like it, the country has long countenanced a world where big donors get more access. We are mad at those hypocrites who pretend otherwise, we are mad at a candidate who won't adequately correct an appearance issue which raises doubts about her own character, and we are mad at a system which has produced someone like Donald Trump as a nominee of a major political party.


 

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Dowser
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link   seeder  Dowser    8 years ago

I don't think I'll ever be as glad about something as when this election is over...  It has turned friends against one another, and opened up so many cans of snarkiness, it isn't even remotely funny.

I may not agree with everything Mr. Millstein says, but he sure hits the level of frustration that I and many others feel-- right square on the head.

RED BOX RULES --Please play nicely with one another-- don't call each other names, or be mean to each other.  Please stay on topic and remain respectful in your discourse with one another.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
link   JohnRussell  replied to  Dowser   8 years ago

Good common sense article. 

 
 
 
Dowser
Sophomore Quiet
link   seeder  Dowser  replied to  JohnRussell   8 years ago

That's what I thought, too...

 
 
 
Dean Moriarty
Professor Quiet
link   Dean Moriarty    8 years ago

I went through the mad stage about thirty years ago. Now I'm happy to see more people turning towards the Libertarian. It's been a long road but we are slowly growing.

 
 
 
Dowser
Sophomore Quiet
link   seeder  Dowser  replied to  Dean Moriarty   8 years ago

Thanks for your comment, Dean.  

 
 
 
Krishna
Professor Expert
link   Krishna  replied to  Dean Moriarty   8 years ago

I went through the mad stage about thirty years ago. Now I'm happy to see more people turning towards the Libertarian. It's been a long road but we are slowly growing.

Are you saying that Libertarins are not human beings? (Unlike Democrats & Republicans?). Because if they are human, when (if?) they gain power, they will be just as corrupt as the other two parties. 

(it easy to be "morally pure" when you're out of power and seeking votes...).

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
link   Sean Treacy    8 years ago

, the country has long countenanced a world where big donors get more access.

This is what gives the game away. 

Big donors to political campaigns have, in fact, always gotten more access. But those donors are governed by campaign finance rules designed to limit both who can contribute (no foreign governments) and how much (2,500 per person). The laws are designed to limit how much pressure a donor can exert, since the amounts are capped at a relatively small amount. 

But Clinton's been caught allowing unprecedented access to donors to her private "charity."  These donors aren't following campaign finance laws. Thus it's not even close to the same thing. Clinton is selling access to individuals, governments and businesses that can't make donations under campaign finance laws and accepting donations in amounts that wildly exceed the limits put in place by campaign finance laws.

It's been amusing watching Clinton defenders like Donna Brazile admitting that donors got access and claiming that's just business as usual  without apparently realizing she is talking about donors to a supposed charity. 

 

 
 
 
Dowser
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link   seeder  Dowser  replied to  Sean Treacy   8 years ago

Thanks for your comment, Sean.

 

 
 

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