Lying to FBI Is Illegal; How About the FBI Lying to Us?
December 2, 2017
While the liberal media is celebrating the announcement that former Trump National Security Adviser Michael Flynn has pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI, a bigger scandal was practically ignored.
On Thursday , Judicial Watch released 29 pages of FBI emails regarding the inexcusable June 27, 2016 meeting between former President Bill Clinton and then Attorney General Loretta Lynch on the tarmac of the Sky Harbor International Airport in Phoenix, AZ. This meeting was not accidental, as Clinton purposely delayed the takeoff of his aircraft to arrange the supposedly impromptu encounter with the Attorney General.
According to Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton, “These new FBI documents show the FBI was more concerned about a whistle-blower who told the truth about the infamous Clinton-Lynch tarmac meeting than the scandalous meeting itself.”
In the midst of a FBI investigation into Hillary Clinton’s “extremely careless” handling of top secret email communications, Lynch held a secretive meeting with her husband. This bombshell information would have never been made public if not for the investigative work of Phoenix television anchor Christopher Sign, who received a tip about the meeting from a “trusted source.”
With an ongoing Justice Department investigation into the improper handling of email communications, it was highly improper for Lynch to agree to the meeting with Bill Clinton just days before FBI agents would interview his wife. Once confronted about the tarmac meeting, Lynch claimed they only discussed golf and grandchildren, which is a completely ludicrous explanation for the 30-minute meeting.
If the meeting was so innocent, why did the Justice Department withhold key documents for so long? After an initial July 7, 2016 Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request by Judicial Watch for documents pertaining to the meeting, the Justice Department claimed that nothing could be located. Only after an official FOIA lawsuit did the department provide the various FBI email exchanges.
As noted by Fitton, the real focus of the emails was to try to locate the leaker who exposed the meeting. One unidentified FBI agent lamented that the meeting was disclosed to the press and claimed that “We need to find that guy” in order to get him fired or sanctioned by his supervisors. The emails show that the FBI believed the source was a Phoenix police officer and one agent expressed a desire to ban the officer from being involved in future security details.
This anger is very indicative of what is wrong with the FBI today. The source who leaked news of the meeting to the local media did a real public service and should be commended. Americans had a right to know that the Attorney General was involved in a questionable meeting while an investigation was purportedly ongoing. Unfortunately, instead of congratulating the source, the FBI wanted to punish this individual, obviously because they wanted to protect the reputation of the Attorney General and the presidential aspirations of Hillary Clinton.
The FBI should be impartial, not be taking sides in political campaigns. The bureau was obviously politically comprised, much like the IRS during their unfair harassment of Tea Party groups.
In any vigorous and honest FBI investigation, agents should be outraged if the Attorney General held a secret meeting with the spouse of the subject being examined for wrongdoing. Instead agents showed only concern about identifying the police officer who caused the embarrassment. This nonchalant attitude was not shared by Lynch who admitted that the ill-advised meeting “cast a cloud” on the Justice Department’s investigation into Hillary Clinton.
These disclosures lead to the distressing conclusion that the Hillary Clinton investigation was a sham from the very beginning. In fact, when Clinton was finally interviewed by the FBI on July 2, 2016, she was not under oath and there was no recording of the meeting. Several weeks earlier, before the FBI had interviewed Clinton or 17 key witnesses in the investigation, then FBI Director James Comey had already begun drafting her exoneration statement.
These unusual procedures were denounced by U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Chuck Grassley (R-IA) and U.S. Senator Lindsay Graham (R-SC) in a joint statement. According to the Senators, “Conclusion first, fact-gathering second—that’s no way to run an investigation. The FBI should be held to a higher standard than that, especially in a matter of such great public interest and controversy.”
Of course, the Senators are right as the FBI’s handling of this matter was atrocious. A mere three days after the inadequate interview of Clinton, Comey announced that she would not be indicted despite what many legal analysts believe were her clear violations of federal law.
Evidently, the FBI, under the direction of James Comey, had no intention of ever truly investigating Hillary Clinton and bringing charges against her. If there was ever an issue that needed a Special Counsel investigation, it is not “Russian collusion,” but the Justice Department’s collusion with Hillary Clinton.
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Think of how many times they have lied to us over the last eight years.
Clapper Lying
Comey Lying
Obama lying.
Hillary Clinton lying
James Comey lying
James Meuller lying
We lie to the government - it's illegal. The government lies to us - it's politics.
The difference is they can prosecute us, but rarely, are they!
And the problem is we let them do it. Must be nice to be part of the "good ole boy club".
Donald J. Trump
Biggest liar in public life in world history!
I noticed you left him off your list.
The still think he's wearing clothes.
The main problem with that Jeremy is we don't have any other choice!
Sure hope so. I'd hate to see him without any, wouldn't you? LOL Now Melania on the other hand looks pretty good naked.
And lets face it, having the FLOTUS posing nudes on the internet is SOOOOO much better than a FLOTUS trying to get kids to eat healthy and exercise. /sarc
That 22% reminds me of the polls saying that's about the percentage of people who thought the country was heading in the right direction all during 2016 when Obama ended the year with a 1.5% GDP growth or was it 1.9%.
Well, he finally got the old tax bill. I don't think much of it. Will have to see how it goes, but at least it's not Zero any longer.
Yep, that old FBI investigation which has lasted about a year now and so far it appears it isn't going anywhere. Trump is still President, thanks to you folks. In fact, thanks to all of you who helped get him elected by doing more than anyone could honestly ask anyone to do. Thanks.
Only two Federal Criminal Indictments. Seems like there should be a dozen or more by now.
Same with the Federal Criminal guilty pleas. Lying is bad, really bad. You do know that Comey already cleared him but ole Robert broke him, bankrupted him, interrogated him without counsel with false charges and said they were going after his son. He agreed to cooperate with the Sicherheitsdiensts.
Everyone knows he's unpopular as hell. He's especially unpopular in socialist, communist and dictatorship countries. He only has a 5% popularity in Mexico. LOL Wonder why?
Now that's funny!!! Did you get that from Occupy Democrats too like you did the other one below it?
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You can do better than that Mr Frost!
I left him off because up until this past year he wasn't a politician. He was a private citizen running a successful business.
They should check with Rush Limbaugh and Alex Jones for the best way to check sources.
What difference does it make how long he has been in politics, he's the President of the United States, and in 1 year he has told more lies than Pinocchio.
Or is it more that he is a Republican? Because, I notice you don't have any other republicans on that list. Plus, what lies has Meuller told, he hasn't been saying much of anything to anybody.
See, you don't know that. Until he releases his tax returns. How much does he owe to US taxpayers?
I distinctly remembering Rachel Maddow doing that. Then the left got all pissed because she proved he actually paid more than everybody thought.
Also, I don't recall a law requiring the President to do so.
I guess the time in politics is subjective. I've been told that some things are off limits when it come to Clinton because she was a private citizen. So, I'll stick with that reasoning. He was a private citizen and not a politician.
Now you compare the President to Pinocchio. That means he far below the rest of the shit stains in the federal government when it comes to lying to the people. Now that makes me wonder, why lying to the people is such a sore spot with you now and wasn't before this last Presidential campaigns and election?
But then again statues weren't offensive, arming drug lords wasn't something to be worried about, terrorist attacks were because of videos on youtube, Elizabeth Warren was part Native American, and a white NAACP official claimed to be black.
Leaked by who, his accountant? His own lawyers? Trump's tax returns are not anything his leaky administration has knowledge of. The IRS sure as hell won't leak them, they take that shit seriously.
Did you give Bill Clinton a pass like that for what he was accused of before he was president?
So you have nothing and try to change the subject from political lies to sexual harassment / assault.
That was the funniest episode of Rachel Maddow's comedy shows I've ever watched. She teased for over 30 minutes, and when she released "the bombshell revelation" to show 2 pages of pubic record tax returns and that Trump actually paid taxes, she made it seem like she'd just revealed the cures for AIDS and cancer. Too funny.
Ha ha ha! ^^^^^
Sorry Tex, Harry Reid does not have the power to have someone's taxes released. No one has this power, not even President Trump. Tax returns are very personal, and very protected. Rachel had that one year because Trump leaked it himself, probably because it was one of the few years he actually paid tax.
Rush's research is extremely accurate, it's been independently confirmed.
Hillary lied and people died.
Funny that you should say that. The left sure believed him when he made his claims about Romney. Shoot, the left still believe his BS even after Reid said he made it all up.
Give me a fucking break. In March of 2015 I posted an article right on this site that the Democrats should not run Hillary Clinton in 2016, and she lost for the reasons I gave. She had an continued to create too much baggage.
As for politicians, wannabe politicians or prominent citizens lying to the public, that is an issue we all have to deal with, whatever we call them, and whether we accept it or not is always a matter of argument.
That was based on the one year (2008) he managed to get "leaked" to the public. She also showed how it was the year that they used to make "adjustments" for a number of past years.
Regardless how you try to spin it, it's out there and proves he pays. And until there is a law requiring Presidents to release their returns, it's really none of our business. That's between the President and the IRS.
So, that would be a NO. Thanks for once again being a case study in hypocrisy, Jerry.
Turns out that that single tax return became useful again during the recent tax giveaway to the rich. When the tax bills new rules are applied to that return it means Trump would pay $20,000,000 less tax and he goes around lying his shitstained pants off about how this tax bill is going to hurt him and people like you swallow that BS and call it yummmy.
That's a pretty thin case to make for the guy you're trying to defend. The real question is why would what every other presidential candidate of the last seven presidents offered up freely have to be leaked in this one's case? He's hiding something and anyone with any sense and experience as an adult human being could see that a light year away.
No, it proves one year he did some things and released a limited (not full) return to take the heat off. What the hell does that have to do with the last 12 years? Do you people have ANY standards for Trump at all? I'd really like to know what they are. God, its pathetic how little you expect from yourselves.
I'll ask again. DO YOU HAVE ANY STANDARDS FOR TRUMP? Because I've listened for years about Obama and the Clintons to the point Trump HIMSELF droned on for years about a birth certificate and school records, none of which is required by law. It sure sounds like even treason isn't too far for Trump to go for republicans. Try explaining your standards.
Now that's a good one. Harry Reid had several friends and he could only reveal information they had given him by revealing it on the Senate Floor We never heard him say that anywhere else, did we? Now there is someone who out and out lied to us about Romney taxes and knew it.. Best advice I can give anyone is never trust a Liberal. Trump might lie, but most of the time it is exaggerations. Who cares if he did or didn't have the most job growth. Anyone can check that out and verify it.
The IRS lied to us. The President lied to us, "Not a smidgen of truth", when he knew he was lying so convincingly, I might add. There's no low they will go to. It was election time, "Obama was dead and Al Qaeda was on the run" except we know for sure one of those two was a lie, but they lied about it by promoting the video story.
If that had been Trump, the MSM would have went bunkers, yet they, for the most part, did their best to ignore it.
That's probably true. The Clintons did business for their foundation through a Canadian company to keep it out of their records. But the difference is if Trump produced his taxes and they were perfect, the MSM would find something to make it the most terrible fraudulent evasion of taxes anyone in the history of this country had gotten away with and the average person, in their ignorance would have eaten it up, not understanding one damn thing about what he had done, only understanding what the MSM was telling them he did.
I'm using the same standards the liberals used for Obama.
At this point, I say what's good for the goose is good for the gander. Trump would be held to an extreme standard, while Obama and the Clintons were obviously guilty of many things and the lame Republicans and the crooked MSM would have stepped up to defend them. That's the difference and the reason why I will stick by Trump and shun those other crooks until something legitimate is revealed to change my mind.
'Jerry' did not post that comment Athy.
Wow, then I really won't bother with your uninformed opinions. Since you've got NOTHING on Clinton and Obama, but refuse to let go of the lies you've been toold, one wonders how you veer off into believing Trump (who literally lies every day), and who is getting closer to serious legal problems. I can see why republicans want to make education harder and more expensive. Maybe you forgot republicans have been investigating and come up with NOTHING.
You should stop displaying how much you don't know about what is being said here. It is not a matter of 'spin', two pages of his 2005 returns (not 2008, my mistake) were 'leaked' to the public, because they showed in THAT year he paid taxes. But if you paid attention to what was said about those two pages you would understand that return was made to make adjustments for many previous years when he did not pay.
Use your head, if Trump paid taxes in any manner that would be acceptable to the American voter, he would have posted them in neon on the Trump Tower.
You must keep in mind there are other aspects regarding his returns, like how much he gave in charities. Most charities he claimed he gave to have indicated he did not donate anything, or donated very little.
Also, much, if not all of the money he 'donated' came from the Trump Foundation, where he used funds that were donated to his foundation and then re-donated to various charities in his name. That is 'dirty pool', but that is the way he works. I also think donations made in that manner are illegal, and releasing his returns would reveal that little game and cause a bunch of trouble.
So your conspiracy theory is that is the ONLY year he paid. Got it. Either way, the Prisident not releasing his tax returns is not illegal. You are just going to have to suck it up and move on.
And it must really chap your ass that he hasn't. You don't think that if there were issues with his taxes some anti-Trump fool wouldn't have leaked it by now? Come on. It's already been proven that they don't care about privacy or classification of information, those would have been out there before the election.
And it doesn't make any difference whether he paid any taxes or not. If he didn't and was suppose to pay them the IRS would have been on him like fire ants on yours bare feet. So will all the tax attorneys on here please raise you hand. Whatever he did, he's not in jail and if he had done something illegal concerning his taxes he would be, so why worry yourself about his taxes.
There's no one that can honestly say no matter whether he paid, didn't pay or paid a little or a lot, the MSM would fool the fools into thinking he did something that was terrible and deserved years behind bars, although he isn't and the IRS must be satisfied with what he did.
This tax gripe from the Left is stupid and ridiculous. Screw up intentionally on your taxes and see what happens to you if you make any substantial income. He's free and the IRS is obviously satisfied with the way he filed his taxes. Enough said.
Isn't it ridiculous how they get so warped over his taxes and aim at him with all their hatred when the whole article was suppose to be about the IRS, NSA, FBI and politicians lying to us. Doesn't seem to bother these people in the least. They would make perfect comrades.
They don't even realize the IRS has been the one to go over his taxes with a fine tooth comb and if he didn't pay a dime in taxes it was because he like they used every law on the books to do it legally.
But when the intelligence agencies tell us they aren't gathering information on us and it is proven to not be true, no big deal to them. Unmasking private citizens, no big dieal. Carrying on in Congress and spending our money to cover for the harassment Congressmen have committed and they won't tell us who they were. I'm kind of tired of the lying SOBs.
I agree. If Trump was able to get away with paying little to nothing for tax in his life, good for him, I pay as little as possible myself, everyone does. Trump could have released his taxes, pointed out how little he pays, said that if he's elected he would change things so people like him would have to pay their fair share, then did so once elected, and the left would love him for it along with his base. I actually had some hope that Trump WOULD do good, centrist things for the country, he certainly wasn't bound by any rigid ideology. Unfortunately, he's gone the total corporate puppet route.
Lib, I don't need to be educated by you. You're concerned about a man's taxes and don't even realize how ridiculous it is since the IRS always goes over someone who makes the kind of money Trump has made with a fine tooth comb. They don't need you, who I suspect wouldn't understand them if you looked at them. LOL
But I bet you would believe it when Vox for example told you a bunch of lies you couldn't decipher on your own whether they were true or false.
Would that be opposed to the dishonesty, corruption and unethical behavior we have seen for the past 8 years?
Maybe, just maybe if the last administration hadn't bee so lax on immigration laws, there wouldn't be such a probelm with illegals in this country. Maybe Kate Steinle would still be alive if the liberal shit hole in California enforced immigration law.
But Jeremy did and I meant the nickname for him. Sorry for the confusion. I'll come up with something else for Jeremy. I had thought to use Jermy but also thought that might not fly to well with the CoC.
Really, Jerm? Explain in detail what you mean by that. You have a long history of making specious claims like that and then running away. Let's see you back one up for once.
You've never "got" anything. You're too busy setting up excuses or strawmen defenses for the Scumbag-in-Chief.
It's beyond bizarre that you think a Senator should pull strings to illegally obtain tax returns in order to show how a candidate, now president, lied about his business dealings and income. Or, maybe you're just disappointed that Reid is not dirty like the guy you're constantly shilling for.
You don't even know that President Scumbag himself admitted that the IRS routinely audits him which was the false excuse he made for not allowing his tax returns to be made public--the IRS prevented him--when in fact that is no IRS rule against doing so.
Well, that's BS, of course and the routine "whataboutism" you people deploy when between a rock and a hard place (and never seem to work with anyone but yourselves).
Somebody needs to do it.
So you admit that he's a compulsive liar but it just doesn't matter. That's a very bizarre code of morality and decency your operating under.
Why is it we always hear things like that from people who put the most dishonest, corrupt, unethical and criminal politicians into office and then defend them to the hilt?
But didn't you forget something? I don't see a single word that shows that there was anything false about Pat Robertson's stinking, rotten hypocrisy. But you surely put a lot of wasted effort into deflecting from it.
I hope you didn't hurt yourself laughing when you typed that
Funniest comment, evarrrrrr!
Lets start with arming drug lords. No can't use that, it hasn't happened under President Trump.
How about negotiating with the enemy. Damn, can't use that either, it hasn't happened under President Trump. (I'm sure you'll whine about that one.)
How about obstruction of justice. Damn, can't use that either, it hasn't happened under President Trump.
How about paying another country to stop their nuclear ambitions. SHIT, can't use that either, it hasn't happened under President Trump.
How about claiming to end the war in Iraq. Nope. Can't use that one. Obama sent us RIGHT BACK IN.
Wait, what about leaving Americans sitting in foregin prisons. No, President Trump brought the criminals home.
Well, looks like you got me. I can't use the same standards. I guess because President Trump hasn't done anything as fucked up as President Obama.
Not whine--just point out how false it is considering Trump's trying to set Putin up to run the board in Europe to his delight. And so it goes as far as BS content for your entire list. But by deflecting off to all that BS you avoided addressing my request. This is just one of the many ways you try (and fail) to run away from your own BS.
But, but....then he wouldn't have anything to say.
Looks like she's getting the last laugh now.
You've seen this? If so, you ought to be point out where we can, too. But you won't since that is just more unrefined bullshit.
They don't have any standards for anything.
I guess the proof of this was on Clinton's email server?
The content of the list is an example that President Trump hasn't sunk to Obama levels. I don't think he will either.
It's not a deflection. Just showing, in reality, that I can't use the same standards with President Trump because, again, he hasn't sunk to Obama levels. Maybe IF he does, I'll bash myself in the head with a ball peen hammer to bring myself down to the level that you excused Obama for all that. Until then, the hammer will remain in my tool box and I'll retain my common sense.
How, exactly, is Rachel Maddow getting the last laugh now?
Judicial Watch is a subversive organization funded by 'shadow billionaires' with an agenda of democratic oligarchy. In a truly free society these people and the JD apparatus would be exiled to any autocratic nation that would accept them.
Cool!!!!!
That is really a scary comment!
With an autocratic multi-millionaire as a President, having a number of billionaires on his cabinet, where do we think we letting this country go?
There are many people in this world that already consider the United States to be an oligarchy, so we are on our way there. So, if you're not making a million dollars a year, your vote isn't worth the cost of a cup of coffee.
Btw, there is no such thing as a "democratic oligarchy". An oligarchy is an oligarchy, the only thing democratic about it is they are able to "democratically" re-elected themselves to office as the do in Russia, China and Saudi Arabia.
I know you heard the statement "That comment is so ridiculous it isn't worth my time to respond". The comment I was replying to isn't true and is so far out, which I think it was meant to be that way, that I just made fun of it.
Really. To many trees blocking the view of the forest?
No, but I don't have my head up my ass. Skirting the CoC [ph]
That would be another reason, though.....so, thanks for letting us know.
Fine. Attack me instead of debating my comments.
Not good! LOL
Looks like a good time to tell you to stay on topic Mr Frost. LOL
Now don't you get tired of them lying to us? Remember when they said they weren't spying on us, so to speak?
If you forgot, click Clapper Lying
Since when has the government NOT lied to us? That's hardly a partisan talking point.
I can't remember a time. Don't you get tired of it? Don't you think they should be held accountable for their lies? If they are never held accountable for lying to us, what is the reason they would ever stop?
Compared to this:
Wasn't gallop one of the polling agencies that said Clinton had a 95% chance of winning?
If his "approval" ratings were 1%, he would STILL be President.
By that time (and it is coming) we will have enacted the 25th amendment. (and that may be coming also)
The polls had Abuela easily winning the WH.
She didn't.
Get over it, polls are not always accurate, most people, even Trump thought he would not be elected.
Doesn't make any difference, the polls reflected the opinion of the people they called, and most of the people that voted, voted for Hillary. It was our electoral system that fooled the polls.
I don't know why, but I'm getting the feeling you are really proud that Donald Trump is the president of the United States.
Meaning they are useless.
Here we go again.
Did our constitutional electoral system always fool those who have been polled for decades, or did this fooling only occur because Hillary ignored states that she should have easily won?
Polls mean nothing.
Exactly.
Early polls had Sanders defeating Clinton and then Sanders trouncing Trump by wider margins than Clinton against Trump.
Clinton supporters take great pleasure in saying the polls were wrong about Sanders and only polls that favor Clinton are to be believed.
Even Biden said he knew Clinton was in trouble before the election.
Private polling for the Cruz campaign showed that Bernie would have beaten T-Rump in a landslide. The last poll I analyzed showed Bernie with a 5% prospective lead against Cruz.
Cruz vs Bernie was the real election, the one the people really wanted. Would have been a heck of a fight.
The only one that Hillary had a chance of beating was T-Rump. She was the worst candidate that could have been picked.... T-Rump was next on the list of worse.....
Just like the Republicans screwed over the popular candidate the cycle before, the Democrats did the same the last cycle.
I wonder if they have learned their lessons?
Texan, Maybe Jerry thinks Presidents are elected by polls.
I am very proud of trump and the 7million voters who abandoned the left to vote for trump
as long as the left is going thru hysterics about trump? I know we made the right choice
There's nowhere to go. More people voted for Clinton than voted for Trump, but it doesn't count in the electoral system we have. Much to Donald Trump's surprise, he won the election
So if you want to crawl back into your little Trump bubble and believe everything he says, you're welcome to it. I hope you're happy living in Tumpville, with an artificial President spewing out artificial facts everyday.
I was happy living in a country when the President didn't make an asshole out of himself every time he picked up his tweet machine.
You post a Bernie Sanders flyer to support your argument? You have a long way to go before you learn how to be effective in these debates.
Not beloved to me. I argued back in early 2015 that the Dems should not run Hillary because she was too vulnerable.
Keep in mind, most republicans thought they should not run Donald Trump, but for reasons they cannot explain, he became their nominee, and for reasons they cannot explain, he won the election.
Now, for reasons everyone understands, they realize they made a mistake.
Not true. Polls are not always accurate, but they usually do give an indication of the way people are thinking.
The Left?! How about the Left, most of the Right, all people and all leaders around the world that are in hysterics?
If you're part of the 32% of Americans that support Trump, you do not read or watch any news, and have zero to no comprehension regarding what is going on in this country right now.
who STILL believes the polls?
too funny
But yet she still isn't President
And it's the same system that the Democrats and the left demanded that everybody accept when they thought that they were going to win. Now that you lost, I guess you can't abide by your own demands. Very of hypocritical of you, but I think it was kind of expected.
We haven't seen that in a very long time. I didn't think you were THAT old.
Donald Trump worked his tail off and was in front of hundreds of thousands more people were during the campaign. Hillary spent too much time thinking her big shots like the Rothchilds were going to elect her and neglected several states she really needed. She was lazy. Even Huma wrote an message to someone, I can't remember how she basically had to get her moving, so to speak.
The Democrats are every bit responsible for Donald Trump being President as anyone who voted for him for two reasons. For never accepting Obama's faults for eight years and making Hillary Clinton their candidate. I have to thank them because at least we got Trump, an often bumbling idiot, but not Hillary, the lying power hungry crook for President who was partly responsible for more wars than any other Secretary of State in history and had more baggage than a Greyhound bus.
That's exactly how I feel. I don't agree with a lot of things Trump does, but seeing the Left reveal themselves is worth it.
Oh yes I do and I imagine Surfs Up does as well, but you see, we're not trying to win any popularity contests around the world. No one really cares about this country outside of it except what they can get from us anyway. And countries like Germany and other socialist countries have already doomed themselves by giving their countries away. In not too many years all their cultures will evaporate into nothing and at this point there is nothing they can do about it. It's too late and inevitable. And it would have been the same here if the smooth talking con man had been followed by the pay and play crook.
And it's the same system that the Democrats and the left demanded that everybody accept when they thought that they were going to win. Now that you lost, I guess you can't abide by your own demands. Very of hypocritical of you, but I think it was kind of expected.
I didn't make any demands. Nice try for a cheap shot. (but is was kind of expected)
We haven't seen that in a very long time. I didn't think you were THAT old.
Eleven Presidents. I was 6 years old when Franklin Roosevelt died. I have lived under the best in modern times (JFK, until Nov. 22, 1963) and now I'm living under the one that will go down as the worst President in modern history, maybe as the worst President in the history of the country. (I'm sure we'll never get another one this bad.)
That's a pretty narrow viewpoint Six. But, you're a conservative, and narrow thinking is common among conservatives, so I guess you feel comfortable in your nice little conservative bubble.
Btw, the Founding Fathers were Liberals .
Where do you see anywhere that I said I believe the polls. I have said polls are not alway accurate, but they usually give us an indication of the way people are thinking.
Why is it you guys think you're gaining ground when you constantly go to cheap shots about unimportant items during these discussions?
Don't you realize you're making yourselves look cheap and small with those stupid comments?
Donald Trump is an asshole that does not belong in the White House. He being laughed at by the world leaders, he is costing the United States it's leadership role in the world and this investigation that is going on is not going to come out well for The Donald.
in all of space and time...
there is no world where these leftwing communists get to run the planet I live on.
watching the liberal world order die? priceless
We elect our Senators, State Legislature, City Council members, Governors, Sheriffs and others to office because they represent the city, county and state, but the President represents the entire country, so the states elect the President from the Popular votes from each state with the Electors from each state voting for him or her for their state.
If polls "usually do give an indication of the way people are thinking", then Hillary would be the head of the Executive Branch today.
The definition of liberalism has changed greatly over time
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Polls are squeed to predict the answer that you want.
Amazing (no, it really isn't) how Jerry is highjacking the thread about the GOVERNMENT lying to us and switching it to the "Lost Presidential Campaign" of the biggest loser in the world.
Could you try to get back on topic Jerry?
Hypocrisy at it's best. But then again we expect nothing less from them.
citing a Bloomberg poll. Did you miss the fact that it was a Bloomberg poll or do you not believe polls conducted by Bloomberg?
In July 2017, Clinton was polling lower than Trump. Clinton is even losing ground with the people who voted for her in 2016.
Actually, they were Whigs....
According to Thomas Jefferson....
I think he would know.....