U.S. troops not leaving Syria until goals accomplished: Haley

Via:  bob-nelson  •  8 months ago  •  48 comments

U.S. troops not leaving Syria until goals accomplished: Haley

U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Nikki Haley said on Sunday that the United States would not pull its troops out of Syria until its goals were accomplished.

Speaking on Fox News Sunday, Haley listed three aims for the United States:

- ensuring that chemical weapons are not used in any way that pose a risk to U.S. interests,

- that Islamic State is defeated,

- and that there is a good vantage point to watch what Iran is doing.

?m=02&d=20180415&t=2&i=1251739213&r=LYNXUnited States Ambassador to the United Nations Nikki Haley speaks during the emergency United Nations
Security Council meeting on Syria at the U.N. headquarters in New York, U.S., April 14, 2018.

REUTERS/Eduardo Munoz

It is our goal “to see American troops come home, but we are not going to leave until we know we have accomplished those things,” Haley said.

Trump, who on Friday joined France and Britain in ordering missile strikes against Syrian targets, has sent mixed signals on Syria.

He has made clear he wants to withdraw the roughly 2,000 U.S. troops in Syria involved in the anti-Islamic State campaign. But he appeared to contradict that message when he said on Saturday that Western allies were prepared to “sustain” the military response if Syrian President Bashar al-Assad does not stop using prohibited chemical weapons.

Asked about U.S.-Russia relations, Haley said ties were “very strained” but that the United States still hoped for a better relationship.

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Reporting by Caren Bohan and Susan Cornwell; Editing by Lisa Shumaker

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Bob Nelson
1  seeder  Bob Nelson    8 months ago

The third "goal"

that there is a good vantage point to watch what Iran is doing.

... is basically a blank check to stay in Syria forever.

America's Eternal Middle East War.

 
 
Greg Jones
1.1  Greg Jones  replied to  Bob Nelson @1    8 months ago

And just leave the innocent civilians to be gassed? How very noble.

 
 
Bob Nelson
1.1.1  seeder  Bob Nelson  replied to  Greg Jones @1.1    8 months ago

Do you really imagine that these raids made any difference?

 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
1.2  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Bob Nelson @1    8 months ago

America's Eternal Middle East War.

Thanks Obama.

 
 
Bob Nelson
1.2.1  seeder  Bob Nelson  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @1.2    8 months ago

Actually... Obama only continued Bush II's war.

But don't let reality impinge on your world...

 
 
Texan1211
1.2.2  Texan1211  replied to  Bob Nelson @1.2.1    8 months ago

Funny how someone who just won a Nobel Prize for Peace just "continued" someone else's war.

 
 
Bob Nelson
1.2.3  seeder  Bob Nelson  replied to  Texan1211 @1.2.2    8 months ago

Nicky Haley just won the Nobel Peace Prize? Gee...

 
 
Texan1211
1.2.4  Texan1211  replied to  Bob Nelson @1.2.3    8 months ago

No, not that I know of.

What have YOU heard?

 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
1.2.5  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Bob Nelson @1.2.1    8 months ago
Actually... Obama only continued Bush II's war.

I perfectly remember the left making the claim that "Obama ended the war in Iraq".  You all trumpeted like he was god and then turned around a few months later and send US Soldiers back in as well as expanding the operations to Syria.  

 
 
Bob Nelson
1.2.6  seeder  Bob Nelson  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @1.2.5    8 months ago

I don't remember that, but it makes no difference. The war that began in Afghanistan seventeen years ago is still killing lots of people every day, regardless of who said what.

It's long past time to recognize that sending troops on open-ended missions in profoundly hostile territory... is a very bad idea.

There's no way to defeat a quagmire.

 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
1.2.7  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Bob Nelson @1.2.6    8 months ago
It's long past time to recognize that sending troops on open-ended missions in profoundly hostile territory... is a very bad idea.

Welcome to the world of warfare.  Bad idea or not, that's how it works.

 
 
Bob Nelson
1.2.8  seeder  Bob Nelson  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @1.2.7    8 months ago

Welcome to the world of warfare.  Bad idea or not, that's how it works.

So you are endorsing America's Eternal Interminable Middle East War.

 
 
Texan1211
1.2.9  Texan1211  replied to  Bob Nelson @1.2.8    8 months ago

Stating how things are in reality is different than endorsing it.

 
 
Bob Nelson
1.2.10  seeder  Bob Nelson  replied to  Texan1211 @1.2.9    8 months ago
Stating how things are in reality is different than endorsing it.

Ok... Then... What is your opinion? And why?

 
 
Texan1211
1.2.11  Texan1211  replied to  Bob Nelson @1.2.10    8 months ago

My opinion is he wasn't endorsing sending troops on open-ended missions in extremely hostile territory.

I saw nothing in his post that indicated he was advocating that.

What did you read?

 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
1.2.12  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Texan1211 @1.2.9    8 months ago
Stating how things are in reality

The problem is, his "reality" is much different that what the rest of us call reality.

 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
1.2.13  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Bob Nelson @1.2.8    8 months ago
o you are endorsing America's Eternal Interminable Middle

Not endorsing it.  Telling you as somebody who has been there 8 times.  Setting an "end date" is unrealistic even for the most basic operations.

 
 
Bob Nelson
1.2.14  seeder  Bob Nelson  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @1.2.13    8 months ago

Gulf War I had a defined, measurable objective. When that objective was achieved, the war was over and our military came home.

Bush I did it right.

 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
1.2.15  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Bob Nelson @1.2.14    8 months ago
Gulf War I had a defined, measurable objective. When that objective was achieved, the war was over and our military came home.

Because Bush Sr. didn't have congressional approval.  So it was only the maximum the President could authorize.  Bush Jr got congressional approval.  2 completely different scenarios.

 
 
Bob Nelson
1.2.16  seeder  Bob Nelson  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @1.2.15    8 months ago

Congressional approval is irrelevant here. There are two possibilities:
 - there's a defined end, before operations begin,
 - there's no end defined.

In the first case, it's easy to end the war. In the second, quagmire is guaranteed... with or without Congressional approval.

 
 
321steve
2  321steve    8 months ago

LOL I trust what Haley says about as much as I trust what trump says. 

And that is zero

I dont trust a word trump says and never did. with people like trump all you can truly believe is their deeds.

Trump himself said " I dont believe much in words, I believe in deeds.

I take that to mean, in other words "I'll say anything I need to get what I want." 

Seems to be the case. 

 
 
Bob Nelson
3  seeder  Bob Nelson    8 months ago

Don't ask me how Boris Johnson is relevant to the seed. I have no idea.

 
 
Texan1211
4  Texan1211    8 months ago

No sense in pulling out until the job is done.

We've seen what happens when we have done that.

 
 
Bob Nelson
4.1  seeder  Bob Nelson  replied to  Texan1211 @4    8 months ago

America's Eternal Middle East War.

 
 
Texan1211
4.1.1  Texan1211  replied to  Bob Nelson @4.1    8 months ago

Might be eternal. Might not be.

As long as certain factions continue to call for Israel's destruction, I am sure we will need to have a presence there.

 
 
Bob Nelson
4.1.2  seeder  Bob Nelson  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.1    8 months ago

It started in 2001. Seventeen years later, the mess is worse than before the war began.

So... doubling down may not be the best way to go...

 
 
Texan1211
4.1.3  Texan1211  replied to  Bob Nelson @4.1.2    8 months ago

17 years is a far, far cry from eternal.

 
 
Bob Nelson
4.1.4  seeder  Bob Nelson  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.3    8 months ago

It's America's longest war already, with no end in sight.

 
 
JBB
4.1.5  JBB  replied to  Bob Nelson @4.1.2    8 months ago
It started in 2001.

Not to be argumentative but could be maintained that it all really started with the advent of Islam but more recently 1918, 1947 and 1967 could also be identified as years when, "It all began". Let's be honest. What the evangelical fundamentalist alt-right wants it a "Crusade" against Islam, again. In any case the term I would use to describe the US's costly, vain and futile involvement in middle-eastern affairs as interminable...

 
 
Texan1211
4.1.6  Texan1211  replied to  Bob Nelson @4.1.4    8 months ago

Which is not eternal.

See the difference?

Eternal is forever.

 
 
Bob Nelson
4.1.7  seeder  Bob Nelson  replied to  JBB @4.1.5    8 months ago
interminable

That's a better word... nervous

 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
4.1.8  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Bob Nelson @4.1.2    8 months ago
It started in 2001. Seventeen years later, the mess is worse than before the war began.

It got really bad between 2008 and 2016.  Never had to adhere to such restrictions and put up with so much bullshit in my entire career.

 
 
Krishna
4.2  Krishna  replied to  Texan1211 @4    8 months ago
No sense in pulling out until the job is done.

But what if "the job" is never done?

 
 
Bob Nelson
4.2.1  seeder  Bob Nelson  replied to  Krishna @4.2    8 months ago
But what if "the job" is never done?

What if that's the objective?

 
 
XDm9mm
4.2.2  XDm9mm  replied to  Krishna @4.2    8 months ago

Is it done in Europe?  Japan?

Sometimes we maintain a presence to ENSURE a much larger additional presence is not needed again.

 
 
LynneA
5  LynneA    8 months ago

Goals normally come with measurable criteria.  The White House and Haley can espouse talking points all day long, it doesn't qualify as policy.

 
 
Texan1211
5.1  Texan1211  replied to  LynneA @5    8 months ago

One would assume that the goal is to get Syria to stop using chemical weapons on its own citizens.

What would you think the goal is?

 
 
LynneA
5.1.1  LynneA  replied to  Texan1211 @5.1    8 months ago

If that were the goal, all chemical producing facilities would have been the scope of the mission. 

 
 
Texan1211
5.1.2  Texan1211  replied to  LynneA @5.1.1    8 months ago

Really? What about chemical-producing plants that had nothing to do with weapons?

 
 
badfish hαηd ⊕ƒ †hε Ωuεεη
5.1.3  badfish hαηd ⊕ƒ †hε Ωuεεη  replied to  Texan1211 @5.1.2    8 months ago

Chemical producing plants?  Texas needs to legalize.

 
 
Texan1211
5.1.4  Texan1211  replied to  badfish hαηd ⊕ƒ †hε Ωuεεη @5.1.3    8 months ago

Not sure WTH you are talking about.

 
 
LynneA
5.1.5  LynneA  replied to  Texan1211 @5.1.2    8 months ago

No need to be obtuse.  I was politely responding to your assumption. 

Our President unwound Haley's comments regarding additional Russian sanctions only mentioned yesterday as part of our plan.   The need for measurable goals is evident, flying by the seat of Trumps pants is not the answer.

 
 
LynneA
5.1.6  LynneA  replied to  badfish hαηd ⊕ƒ †hε Ωuεεη @5.1.3    8 months ago

Yea, Tennessee too.

 
 
Texan1211
5.1.7  Texan1211  replied to  LynneA @5.1.5    8 months ago

Well, I suppose Trump could have followed his predecessor's act and simply drew a red line in the sand.

THAT sure worked, right?

 
 
LynneA
5.1.8  LynneA  replied to  Texan1211 @5.1.7    8 months ago

Obama's red-line was a complete and utter failure of leadership ~ didn't support it then.  Equating a past Dem President to the current Rep President only plays for those who are party lemmings...I'm not. 

 
 
luther28
6  luther28    8 months ago

As I said earlier in the month, this is like a pinball machine. One day Mr. Trump is saying one thing, next day Ms. Haley is saying something else. Have to keep your eye on the ball.

 
 
Kavika
7  Kavika     8 months ago

IMO, the air strikes aren't going to change Assad's mission. We are not going to put in sufficient ground troops to overthrow Assad. Nor should we. 

With the Russians and Iran on the ground and supporting Assad, we are caught in a position of throwing some missiles at them, but beyond that there is little that we can do. 

Of course when the times comes we pull out and leave the Kurds and their allies to their own fate. Something that we've done in the past. 

 
 
Bob Nelson
7.1  seeder  Bob Nelson  replied to  Kavika @7    8 months ago

America's Eternal Interminable Middle East War.

 
 
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