Trump Accused Of Fraud And Conspiracy Against The American People
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Rep. Nadler said on CNN‘s State Of The Union, “Well they would be impeachable offenses. Whether they are important enough to justify impeachment is a different question, but certainly, they would be impeachable offenses because even though they were committed before the president became president, they were committed in the service of fraudulently obtaining the office. That would be an impeachable offense, but the fact of the matter is what we see from these indictments and charging statements is a much broader conspiracy against the American people involving these payments, involving attempt to influence the campaign improperly, involving the Russians trying to influence the campaign, involving the president lying for an entire year about his ongoing business dealings with the Russians.”
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What a dumbass this Nadler is. He is pulling the Comey/Clinton card by saying he thinks that what his opinion of what Trump might have done is serious enough for impeachment, but that no Congress in their right mind would impeach for what amounts to his opinion.
This way, he can dig out of his dumb ass hole when it becomes obvious Trump did nothing wrong.
Nadler is a progressive leftist liberal Democrat from California. That speaks volumes in itself. But because he says that President Trump defrauded the American public, we are all supposed to just take it on faith that what he says is factual? I don't think so. Show concrete proof Mr Nadler, if you can.
when it becomes obvious Trump did nothing wrong.
$25 for the American Cancer Society says Trump will be impeached, indicted or resign as POTUS.
Are you in?
Sorry, but I don't do bets, no matter how easy it would be to allow you to make your donation.
In other words … "no".
Tell you what … STAND BY YOUR POSITION THAT "IT WILL BECOME OBVIOUS THAT TRUMP DID NOTHING WRONG," and, when it does become obvious via indictments, confessions, grand jury testimony, etc. … that Trump, in fact, did wrong(s) …
I will make the payment IN YOUR NAME if you admit in a discussion I post, that you lost the bet!
Are you in?
Things are going to go so south for Trump that I believe he won't even run for re-election. When that happens, Bugsy will still be saying Trump did nothing wrong. There's no cure for it AMac.
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Liberal hacks like Nadler have been accusing Trump of nonsense for the last three years. The only real question is will the Dems decide to impeach Trump on whatever phony charges and go down the same road the GOP did with Clinton with the exact same results.
So, you're in for the $25?
Big difference between Clinton and trump. There is proof, (obviously), that trump committed a crime... Hillary? Not so much.
I was talking about Bill, not Hillary. There was absolute proof he lied about Monica and tampered with witnesses. The Democrats chose not to care about the facts. And I'm not taking any bet on a group as irrational as the Dems and what they might do.
You knew Bill was impeached, right? He was impeached because he lied...
He's just repeating his spam email talking points. He hasn't done any actual research into his claims.
Bill was impeached and was not removed from office. All the good his impeachment did was put an asterisk by his name in history books.
Phony changes.................................such as lying about oral sex? You'll probably claim to be an independent in 1998, just as you were in 2008.
For 20 years the left has dismissed all the criticism of Bill saying it was consensual sex. What do you think Trump was doing with Stormy Daniels? Trying to hide a fling is a pretty big step down from Trump working with Putin to steal the election.
Is there any proof that Monica was coerced? She has been very clear that it was consensual.
Mueller isn't finished, so we don't know the scope of Trump's collusion. If Trump knows that he is innocent then why is he so eager to attack the investigation?
None of the investigators are saying Trump was involved in a non consensual relationship with Daniels or McDougall. If you want to go into speculation about non consensual accusations there are plenty of those against Clinton too.
Conservative hack are so ignorant that they can't see truth
Conservative hacks are so ignorant they think Trump is really God.
Donald Trump shares a lot of similarities with the Abrahamic god. Both are sexist sociopaths who demand to be obeyed and worshipped.
I didn't think I'd see anything more ridiculous than Don's comment, and I was prepared to simply chuckle at that. But, incredibly, you actually took it seriously and then expanded on it as if you were engaging in actual critical analysis. That might be the funniest thing I've seen all day.
Lack of cognitive powers, eh
It's about beliefs and faith.
I don't know you guys well enough to pass that judgment and I try to be charitable.
I try not to hold that against you.
Don't do me any supposed favors.
Republican ignorance is the only excuse they have for their stupid comments
It always strikes me as kind of funny how offended Democrats and media pundits are when Trump's rally crowds chant "lock her up." But both of these pearl-clutching groups have been talking about impeaching Trump and throwing him in jail since before he was even elected. That's a level of hysteria I don't think any sane person could have ever predicted.
Any sane person wouldn't be a trump follwer
Even funnier? Flynn liked to start those chants...Flynn may be heading to prison. THAT'S funny.
Probably not. The prosecutor is recommending no prison time.
Do you still want to claim that there is no Russian collusion?
True, but what did Flynn know ? What all was Flynn involved in that may be illegal or wrong even ?
As far as I know Flynn was involved in telling the russians trump's plans about the russian sanctions before trump had legal power to really do so.
I think that falls under the logan act and no one has been even charged with it for like a hundred years, I think I also read that the only time anyone was charged with it the charges ended up dropped. So trump and flynn having a lot of trouble over just that, I dont see it.
Like I asked, what all did Flynn know about what and was any of it illegal ? Maybe we'll find out. Maybe.
This reply is the prototypical argument from ignorance fallacy.
Well I dont see it that way at all. I believe everything I stated is pertinent. I see no fatalities in my post. I believe the questions I asked are important and as I said as far as I know what flynn was involved with doesn't seem to be collusion but perhaps a violation of the Logan act, which I doubt causes anyone a great deal of problems. Which is petty realistic given the facts I know and the history of the logan act.
so, I submit your response back to me could be seen as is a form of denial of facts and an attempt at distraction.
Do you know what all flynn knows ? I don't.
Do you know what all flynn was involved it ? I don't
Do you have any proof anyone did any illegal colluding ? I don't
I'd like to know, I hope we find out. Maybe we will. Time will tell.
I don't think I have ever made that claim. I have an open mind on Russia. I'm waiting for the report.
Probably nothing. If he had dirt on Trump, I don't think he'd be getting sentenced yet. Usually, prosecutors wait for witnesses to testify at trial before granting them the reward for cooperation. If Flynn isn't going to be testifying against Trump, that tells me he probably didn't have anything incriminating to say about him.
I'm just guessing, but there was so much noise in the media about any little connection to Russia, it doesn't surprise me that people would lie about mundane communications with Russia. The media and the Left have become very adept at making mountains out of molehills, so it doesn't shock me that people would not be forthcoming.
Yep, "as I said as far as I know what flynn was involved with doesn't seem to be collusion but perhaps a violation of the Logan act, which I doubt causes anyone a great deal of problems."
What you say is also true. But considering we really are kind of in uncharted territory honestly not much surprises me a great deal anymore on any of this.
IMO (only perhaps) But I see the trump flynn thing as flynn was enthralled with trump, thump used flynn as a good between to make nice with russia even before trump legally had the power to legally do so.
Once caught and flynn was made to see what they had done he lost his enthralment with trump and returned to his former self and spilled the beans, (also to save his own ass) and will probably not revert back to being trumps "Pawn", Once burned, twice shy.
You are correct though flynn probably was not included in much else. No need for him, no need to include him.
PS: We'll probably see the same pattern over and over, drip by drip. For months to come. Cause as we all know, things in the swamp ooze slowly out most of the time.
Even that is probably not illegal. It's pretty standard for the president-elect to have an incoming staff or cabinet member make initial contact with foreign governments. Notice that Flynn isn't being prosecuted for violating the Logan act or anything similar. The poor guy probably lied for nothing.
I have no idea, I dont even know what was said by whom to whom. I do remember every living president still alive at the time saying trump had basically in their opinions trump had jumped the gun.
So while maybe not illegal not something our former presidents approved of. They all seemed to believe in and respect our one government at a time long standing policy.
trump dont care, IMO: He is not what I would consider a "willing" president. I think he believes this is job is actually a pain in the ass, but someones gotta do it and he believes he is the best man for the job. So in his mind he unwilling took the position, he'll do as he damn well pleases, besides we own him. So WTF is everyone's problem ?
Just stand back and I'll fix everyone's everything, My way.
That's my opinion.
It might have been simpler to just let him put his name on the White House and let someone else run the country. That is his typical business model.
LOL
Perhaps cheaper too in the long run.
tax breaks with less after burn
"Okay, ever since I rebranded the White House to "Trump House, INC." it's been doing better than ever, things are great, the economy has never been better, I gave the biggest tax cuts in history (lie) and everything is running smoothly (lie) and everyone loves me (gag). I'm so great for America, so great, which is why it saddens me to have to announce Trump House INC. will be filing for bankruptcy. I got my tax cut that will work out to several million for me and my family, no point in me hanging around any longer. You'll all get pennies of value on the tax dollars you've paid over the years plus I'll be gutting social security because 20 years from now it might be insolvent, but my investor friends really want old peoples money now.
And it's all the Democrats fault of course, so if there's anywhere to lay the blame, lay it at the feet of a retired grandmother and an ex-President because of course, everything is their fault. It's their fault any promises I made might not have been kept like bringing back coal and manufacturing, the auto industry would be opening new plants instead of closing them or that the tax cuts would pay for themselves..."
Good job, Expect a call from the president asking to use it soon.