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DNA tests reveal 30% of suspected fraudulent migrant families were unrelated

  

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Via:  1stwarrior  •  5 years ago  •  31 comments

DNA tests reveal 30% of suspected fraudulent migrant families were unrelated
"There’s been some concern about, 'Are they stepfathers or adopted fathers?'" the official said. "Those were not the case. In these cases, they are misrepresented as family members."

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Some of the migrant families arrested at the southern border weren't actually families.

In a pilot program, approximately 30% of rapid DNA tests of immigrant adults who were suspected of arriving at the southern border with children who weren't theirs revealed the adults were not related to the children, an official involved in the system's temporary rollout who asked to be anonymous in order to speak freely told the   Washington Examiner   Friday.

"There’s been some concern about, 'Are they stepfathers or adopted fathers?'" the official said. "Those were not the case. In these cases, they are misrepresented as family members."

In some incidents where Immigration and Customs Enforcement told the adults they would have to take a cheek swab to verify a relationship with a minor, several admitted the child was not related and did not take the DNA test, which was designed by a U.S. company.

The pilot lasted a few days earlier this month and was used only in McAllen, Texas, and El Paso, Texas. ICE said the Department of Homeland Security would look at the results to determine if it will be part of its comprehensive solution to border issues. Homeland Security has not issued a public statement on its intentions going forward.

"This is certainly not the panacea. It’s one measure," said the official.

One upside, the source said, was that in addition to verifying bogus relationships, it also verified many when Homeland Security personnel were unsure.

The   Examiner   reported in March the Department of Homeland Security and ICE were   looking at adopting the test, made by a company called ANDE . On May 1, DHS announced it would launch a pilot of the program in instances where ICE Homeland Security Investigations agents could not verify a family unit’s relationships.

The debut marked the first time DNA testing of any sort has been at the border. Currently, ICE and U.S. Customs and Border Protection must use verbal statements and written documents to verify family connections.


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1stwarrior
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1  seeder  1stwarrior    5 years ago

Yup - just what we've been saying.  Now, watch what happens when the testing is performed more.  Betcha we see the Illegal Alien flow decreasing.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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1.1  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  1stwarrior @1    5 years ago

Now why does that just come as no surprise to those of us who live right on the border????

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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1.1.1  seeder  1stwarrior  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @1.1    5 years ago

The BP folks who live in my neighborhood have been telling us (their neighbors) and the "Chain" of supervision since back in April/May of last year.

Now, the facts are beginning to show.  Wonder how the "Administration" is going to address/handle this?

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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1.1.2  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  1stwarrior @1.1.1    5 years ago

Same here in Cochise Country across the state line.

 
 
 
SteevieGee
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1.2  SteevieGee  replied to  1stwarrior @1    5 years ago

So...  DNA tests reveal that 70% of families unlawfully detained for months and months and separated from their children are innocent?

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.2.1  Texan1211  replied to  SteevieGee @1.2    5 years ago
So... DNA tests reveal that 70% of families unlawfully detained for months and months and separated from their children are innocent?

In a pilot program, approximately 30% of rapid DNA tests of immigrant adults who were suspected of arriving at the southern border with children who weren't theirs revealed the adults were not related to the children, an official involved in the system's temporary rollout who asked to be anonymous in order to speak freely told the Washington Examiner Friday.

 
 
 
SteevieGee
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1.2.2  SteevieGee  replied to  Texan1211 @1.2.1    5 years ago

I read the article thanks.  What about the innocent 70%?

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.2.3  Texan1211  replied to  SteevieGee @1.2.2    5 years ago

What about them?

Is the article about them or the ones using children who aren't theirs?

And actually, the DNA tests did NOT show "DNA tests reveal that 70% of families unlawfully detained for months and months and separated from their children are innocent?"

You just made that up.

best to read the whole article again and see what it really says.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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1.2.4  Tacos!  replied to  SteevieGee @1.2    5 years ago
unlawfully detained

What makes you think that 1) anyone was detained or 2) such detention was unlawful?

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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1.2.5  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  SteevieGee @1.2.2    5 years ago

What part of illegal do you not comprehend? If they are here as illegal immigrants, how can they be innocent? DUUHHH....jrSmiley_78_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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1.2.6  seeder  1stwarrior  replied to  SteevieGee @1.2    5 years ago

Take your rose colored glasses off Steeevie - learn how to comprehend what you read and the discussions posted ahead of you before you make a comment.

NOWHERE, in the discussions nor in the thread/article, does it say that 70% were unlawfully detained, nor does it state that they were separated from their children, nor does it say they are "innocent".

Now, go back and read the article and the discussions.  If you have a pertinent comment to make - do so.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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2  Dismayed Patriot    5 years ago

"30% of rapid DNA tests of immigrant adults who were suspected of arriving at the southern border with children who weren't theirs revealed the adults were not related to the children"

So 3 out of 10 of the families they "suspected" weren't related. So of all the immigrants they pull aside because they think the families don't look like each other or seem suspicious, 7 out of 10 of them are actually related.

"One upside, the source said, was that in addition to verifying bogus relationships, it also verified many when Homeland Security personnel were unsure."

I'm all for this type of program at the border. In fact, just telling them you're taking a DNA sample even if you never run it would be a deterant as the article points out:

"Customs Enforcement told the adults they would have to take a cheek swab to verify a relationship with a minor, several admitted the child was not related and did not take the DNA test"

You don't have to spend all the money on the tests, just a couple bucks on cotton swabs, and you'd likely weed out half of the pretenders.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.1  Texan1211  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @2    5 years ago
I'm all for this type of program at the border. In fact, just telling them you're taking a DNA sample even if you never run it would be a deterant as the article points out:
"Customs Enforcement told the adults they would have to take a cheek swab to verify a relationship with a minor, several admitted the child was not related and did not take the DNA test"
You don't have to spend all the money on the tests, just a couple bucks on cotton swabs, and you'd likely weed out half of the pretenders.

Not much of a deterrent if the rest of the folks (some 30%) are still lying about it. THAT is why tests need to be run.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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2.2  seeder  1stwarrior  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @2    5 years ago

Good point DP.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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2.3  Greg Jones  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @2    5 years ago

Apparently, the kids are being recycled to some extent.

Can we say exploited?

 
 
 
SteevieGee
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2.3.1  SteevieGee  replied to  Greg Jones @2.3    5 years ago
Apparently, the kids are being recycled to some extent.

Prove it.

 
 
 
Sunshine
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2.3.2  Sunshine  replied to  SteevieGee @2.3.1    5 years ago

 
 
 
SteevieGee
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2.3.3  SteevieGee  replied to  Sunshine @2.3.2    5 years ago

I stand corrected.  It seems that there has been 1 child suspected of this.  It's a shame we can't have comprehensive immigration reform isn't it?

 
 
 
Sunshine
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2.3.4  Sunshine  replied to  SteevieGee @2.3.3    5 years ago

One too many.

 
 
 
Ender
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3  Ender    5 years ago

What if a child was traveling with an Uncle or Aunt. What if the person the kid was traveling with is the only person in their life. Things happen in countries they are coming from. Maybe the parents were killed and the Uncle decided to get the kid out of there. Not knowing what else to do except say the child is his.

People keep trying to make everything black and white when there is a lot more grey.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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3.1  Texan1211  replied to  Ender @3    5 years ago

Then the "uncle" should SAY that instead of pretending to be the kid's dad.

 
 
 
Ender
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3.1.1  Ender  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1    5 years ago

Do you think it would matter. The kid would probably be taken anyway.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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3.1.2  Texan1211  replied to  Ender @3.1.1    5 years ago
Do you think it would matter. The kid would probably be taken anyway.

Which makes it even easier to tell the truth.

 
 
 
Ender
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3.1.3  Ender  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.2    5 years ago

Sometimes there are reasons for people doing things that others could never comprehend.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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3.1.4  Texan1211  replied to  Ender @3.1.3    5 years ago
Sometimes there are reasons for people doing things that others could never comprehend.

True enough.

But in almost all cases that doesn't mean you get a pass on breaking the law.

Do you think it a better idea to let children remain with people who aren't related to them when we really have no way to verify what their relationship is to the child?

Can you even imagine the outcry if we did that and one of them turned out to be a child molester or worse?

 
 
 
bugsy
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3.1.5  bugsy  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.4    5 years ago
Can you even imagine the outcry if we did that and one of them turned out to be a child molester or worse?

You mean like how that happened during the Obama administration? They turned kids over to people who claimed are their "relatives" and lost track of every one of them from that point.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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3.1.6  Texan1211  replied to  bugsy @3.1.5    5 years ago
You mean like how that happened during the Obama administration? They turned kids over to people who claimed are their "relatives" and lost track of every one of them from that point.

Well, the Obama Admin. gets a pass on everything, right?

It is only bad if Trump does it.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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3.1.7  Greg Jones  replied to  Ender @3.1.3    5 years ago

Yeah, like exploiting children in order to set foot on US soil.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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3.2  Tacos!  replied to  Ender @3    5 years ago
What if a child was traveling with an Uncle or Aunt.

Even an aunt or an uncle would be very closely related by DNA.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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3.3  seeder  1stwarrior  replied to  Ender @3    5 years ago

DNA testing would reveal the family ties, even for an aunt or an uncle.  

 
 
 
Tacos!
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4  Tacos!    5 years ago

Another case of "No one would ever lie about a thing like that. You're a paranoid delusional maniac for even thinking it. . . . 

Ahem . . . 

DNA tests . . . revealed the adults were not related to the children

Oh . . . well, um . . . Trump damnit!

 
 

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