House Democrats lose bid to fast-track Trump tax return lawsuit

  
Via:  cms5  •  3 weeks ago  •  70 comments

House Democrats lose bid to fast-track Trump tax return lawsuit
One of Trump's personal lawyers, Jay Sekulow, called the committee's efforts "presidential harassment" last month.

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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A U.S. judge refused on Thursday to fast-track a congressional lawsuit seeking to force disclosure of President Donald Trump's federal tax returns, saying it was a complicated and important matter that should not be rushed.

U.S. District Judge Trevor McFadden in Washington said in a written order that under U.S. law, there was "only a narrow set of cases that must skip to the front of the line," and that the House of Representatives Ways and Means Committee had not shown its lawsuit was one of them.

McFadden said that while he was not prejudging the case, Trump's defenses "seem unlikely to be so trivial as to justify a rush to the merits of the case."

In an Aug. 20 filing, the Democratic-led House Ways and Means panel said that "time is of the essence" in resolving the case it brought last month seeking to compel the Treasury Department to hand over years of the Republican president’s individual and business federal tax returns.

In the filing, lawyers for the committee said the current Congress would end on Jan. 3, 2021, and that a prompt resolution of issues in the case was needed to give the committee enough time to investigate Trump's tax returns and pass any legislation in response.

Justice Department attorneys, in coordination with Trump's personal lawyers, had proposed a staged approach to hearing arguments in the case that drew objections from the House panel's legal team.

The committee filed the lawsuit after Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin defied congressional subpoenas seeking the returns, despite a federal law that says the department “shall furnish” such records on request.

The lawsuit began what is widely expected to be a lengthy legal battle likely to end in the U.S. Supreme Court.

The Justice Department said in an advisory legal opinion in June that the committee lacked a "legitimate legislative purpose" in seeking Trump's tax returns, and that Mnuchin therefore did not violate the law by refusing to provide them.

One of Trump's personal lawyers, Jay Sekulow, called the committee's efforts "presidential harassment" last month.

Before Trump, modern U.S. presidential candidates customarily disclosed their tax returns during their campaigns.

Ways and Means is one of half a dozen House committees conducting investigations involving Trump and his administration.

The White House is refusing to cooperate with most of them, setting up several legal battles unfolding in the courts.

(Reporting by Jan Wolfe; Editing by Peter Cooney)

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cms5
1  seeder  cms5    3 weeks ago

Because previous candidates and Presidents have offered their tax returns, does that mean ALL must do so? It certainly isn't a Constitutional requirement.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
1.1  Ozzwald  replied to  cms5 @1    3 weeks ago
Because previous candidates and Presidents have offered their tax returns, does that mean ALL must do so? It certainly isn't a Constitutional requirement.

Were previous candidates and Presidents under criminal investigation for tax fraud?

 
 
 
Texan1211
1.1.1  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @1.1    3 weeks ago

Please tell us what federal agency is investigating Trump for federal tax fraud.

 
 
 
cms5
1.1.2  seeder  cms5  replied to  Ozzwald @1.1    3 weeks ago
Were previous candidates and Presidents under criminal investigation for tax fraud?

What criminal investigation? Might you be referring to the New York Times article in Oct 2018? Well, even the Times admitted that the line between legal tax avoidance and illegal tax evasion is blurry. New York prosecutors rushed to open investigations into the Trump Organization. However, there is a statute of limitations for criminal tax fraud charges. In New York it's five years, and Federal it's three to six years. New York can try to seek back taxes and civil penalties from 15 to 20 years ago...and proving intent, well, good luck.

As a retired Financial Analyst for a small business, it is fair to say that many business owners can and do blur the lines. Amazon and Apple probably blur the lines as well. That's not to say they don't pay any taxes...they do, but is it a 'fair share'? No, because our tax laws have wonderful loopholes that allow businesses to 'blur the lines'.

Now, is that a legal reason to request personal and business tax returns? Nope.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
1.1.3  Ozzwald  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.1    3 weeks ago

Please tell us what federal agency is investigating Trump for federal tax fraud.

Same agency that put Cohen in jail and named Trump as an unindicted co-conspirator.

 
 
 
Texan1211
1.1.4  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @1.1.3    3 weeks ago

That is unadulterated bullshit.

Prove it!

 
 
 
Ozzwald
1.1.5  Ozzwald  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.4    3 weeks ago
 
 
 
Tessylo
2  Tessylo    3 weeks ago

If he's got nothing to hide, why doesn't he release them?

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2.1  XDm9mm  replied to  Tessylo @2    3 weeks ago
If he's got nothing to hide, why doesn't he release them?

I have nothing to hide either.  It's simply none of your fucking business.  See how simple that is?

 
 
 
Ozzwald
2.1.1  Ozzwald  replied to  XDm9mm @2.1    3 weeks ago
I have nothing to hide either.  It's simply none of your fucking business. 

Part of the House's job, according to the Constitution, is Executive oversight.  In other words, IT IS THEIR FUCKING BUSINESS.

 
 
 
Texan1211
2.1.2  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @2.1.1    3 weeks ago

What legislative purpose has been presented for asking for Trump's returns?

 
 
 
Tessylo
2.1.3  Tessylo  replied to  XDm9mm @2.1    3 weeks ago

I never asked you if you had anything to hide.  I don't fucking care.  

 
 
 
Tacos!
2.1.4  Tacos!  replied to  Ozzwald @2.1.1    3 weeks ago

Executive oversight doesn't mean Congress has unlimited authority to investigate anything they want about the entire life of the person who happens to be president.

 
 
 
WallyW
2.2  WallyW  replied to  Tessylo @2    3 weeks ago

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And it won't work, and Trump will easily reelected.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.2.1  JohnRussell  replied to  WallyW @2.2    3 weeks ago

Everyone with a working brain cell knows that Trump's tax returns contain something that, at the least, would badly embarrass him. He keeps them hidden out of the realization that they will damage his political career. Much of the speculation centers on Trump not being anywhere near as rich as he claims. If that ever gets out it would be like the end of the world in Trump's mind. 

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2.2.2  XDm9mm  replied to  JohnRussell @2.2.1    3 weeks ago
Much of the speculation centers on Trump not being anywhere near as rich as he claims.

What's your point?  Are you hoping that you're as wealthy as he is if he's not "near as rich as he claims"?

 
 
 
Texan1211
2.2.3  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @2.2.1    3 weeks ago
Trump's tax returns contain something that, at the least, would badly embarrass him.

That is truly unbelievable.

The very same tax returns the IRS has gone over with a fine-toothed comb, under the Obama Administartion, which we already know allowed targeting of political opponents?

BTFW, do YOUR tax returns show YOUR net worth?

IFDI.

 
 
 
WallyW
2.2.4  WallyW  replied to  JohnRussell @2.2.1    3 weeks ago
Trump not being anywhere near as rich as he claims.
But that's not a crime and no one gives a shyt

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
2.2.5  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Texan1211 @2.2.3    3 weeks ago

What I really have a hard time with is the fact that all the "show 'em" crowd thinks his PERSONAL taxes are going to show Russian, or some other nefarious, ties as well as his "net worth". It's based on income people. At worst, it would show some possible income (stocks or sales or property) with a touch of a Ruskie influence. It's personal income. NOT his business taxes which would show his income through his businesses activity. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
2.2.6  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @2.2.1    3 weeks ago
Everyone with a working brain cell knows that Trump's tax returns contain something that, at the least, would badly embarrass him.

And how do you know that?   As someone famous used to say "be specific"

 
 
 
Texan1211
2.2.7  Texan1211  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.2.6    3 weeks ago

He WAS being "specific".

When all he can do is GUESS that is as close as he'll ever get.

 
 
 
Texan1211
2.2.8  Texan1211  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.2.5    3 weeks ago

This is nothing more than continued Democratic dirty tricks because they were unable to elect Hillary.

These internet CPAs and tax experts are really cracking me up.

Does ANYONE'S tax returns show your net worth?

These clowns are ALWAYS good for a laugh!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
2.2.9  Vic Eldred  replied to  Texan1211 @2.2.7    3 weeks ago

Trump dosen't want his tax return made public - therefore we must somehow obtain it and put it on the front page!

Trump wants to build a wall - therefore we must deny wall funding!

Trump fixed NAFTA - therefore we must not ratify the new trade agreement

Trump has a family - therefore we must defame and insult them

Trump appointed officials - therefore we must harass them



There is a common theme here!

 
 
 
dennis smith
2.2.10  dennis smith  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.2.9    3 weeks ago

The dems have nothing to do except waste time and money on filing lawsuits ad nauseum against Trump for almost 3 years and continue to think this is what the voters want them to be doing. They still refuse to accept that he soundly defeated Hillary in the last election via the electoral college.

Dems. please continue with your madness and guarantee another 4 years of Trump as POTUS.

 
 
 
cms5
2.3  seeder  cms5  replied to  Tessylo @2    3 weeks ago

First, show us the law that states one must provide their tax returns to Congress, or the public.

 
 
 
lib50
2.3.1  lib50  replied to  cms5 @2.3    3 weeks ago

There may not be a law, but why on gods green earth would any American be ok with a president hiding his personal information that could compromise our security because of ties to foreign money?  You don't care about transparency?  Presidential candidates can lie and hide their information?  Exactly what standards would you hold a president to?  Truth?  We know that's a big NO.  Transparency?  NO.  Intellect?  NO.  What standards should a politician have to meet?

 
 
 
Texan1211
2.3.2  Texan1211  replied to  cms5 @2.3    3 weeks ago
First, show us the law that states one must provide their tax returns to Congress, or the public.

Anyone who can't recognize this ploy by Democrats as nothing more than a witch-hunt must be willfully blind or willfully ignoring reality.

There can be no other logical explanation.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2.3.3  XDm9mm  replied to  lib50 @2.3.1    3 weeks ago
There may not be a law, but why on gods green earth would any American be ok with a president hiding his personal information that could compromise our security because of ties to foreign money? 

Foreign money.   You do know don't you that as an 'international developer', Trump and the Trump Organization have many ties, financial and personal to many people around the world.

What's amazing is that many chastise any candidate if they don't have international relations and experience.   But knowing someone on a political level as most political candidates do, is appreciably different than knowing someone on a personal and business level.   At the personal and business level, one gets to know his competition/adversary at an entirely different level and one which allows a more detailed appreciation of what and how far one can go when negotiating for something, and how to approach those negotiations.

 
 
 
cms5
2.3.4  seeder  cms5  replied to  lib50 @2.3.1    3 weeks ago

The IRS audits all Presidential returns, if there were any issues...I'm sure the IRS would take care of it.

There's no doubt that if he actually did release his personal returns, everyone would be aghast over his donations of his salary. What other President donated their salaries?

Until it is a law, withholding tax returns isn't a crime and the Ways and Means Committee can be seen as harassing this President.

 
 
 
WallyW
2.3.5  WallyW  replied to  lib50 @2.3.1    3 weeks ago

Presidential candidates can lie and hide their information? 

Obama certainly did, and his records remain locked up.

And lying Hillary never revealed the truth about anything.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
2.3.6  Ozzwald  replied to  cms5 @2.3    3 weeks ago
First, show us the law that states one must provide their tax returns to Congress, or the public.

Section 6103(f)(1) of the Internal Revenue Code (IRC)

Upon written request from the chairman of the Committee on Ways and Means of the House of Representatives, the chairman of the Committee on Finance of the Senate, or the chairman of the Joint Committee on Taxation, the Secretary [of the Treasury] shall furnish such committee with any return or return information specified in such request, except that any return or return information which can be associated with, or otherwise identify, directly or indirectly, a particular taxpayer shall be furnished to such committee only when sitting in closed executive session unless such taxpayer otherwise consents in writing to such disclosure.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
2.3.7  Ozzwald  replied to  cms5 @2.3.4    3 weeks ago
The IRS audits all Presidential returns, if there were any issues...I'm sure the IRS would take care of it.

IRS does the math, they do not look for criminality (beyond the math), conflict of interest, Emolument violations, etc.

 
 
 
It Is ME
2.3.8  It Is ME  replied to  lib50 @2.3.1    3 weeks ago
There may not be a law, but why on gods green earth would any American be ok with a president hiding his personal information that could compromise our security

"Conjecture" is like a cartoon !

Fun to read....but normal folks know it's nonsensical ! 

"Others" jrSmiley_78_smiley_image.gif …… not so much. jrSmiley_97_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Texan1211
2.3.9  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @2.3.6    3 weeks ago

And WHAT is the legislative purpose of requesting Trump's returns?

 
 
 
cms5
2.3.10  seeder  cms5  replied to  Ozzwald @2.3.6    3 weeks ago

Yet the Treasury Department refused to furnish the returns as requested.

The Ways and Means Committee came up with the reason of wanting to determine whether the IRS is properly performing audits. Frankly, any return under audit should do...but they want six years of personal and business returns from Trump. Even the Ways and Means Committee must have legitimate legislative reason for their requests.

 
 
 
cms5
2.3.11  seeder  cms5  replied to  Ozzwald @2.3.7    3 weeks ago

Well, they're certainly not going to find any of that in his personal returns now, are they.

 
 
 
Tacos!
2.3.12  Tacos!  replied to  lib50 @2.3.1    3 weeks ago
why on gods green earth would any American be ok with a president hiding his personal information that could compromise our security because of ties to foreign money?

What is he hiding? He had to turn in a financial disclosure form that totaled almost 100 pages. There is buttloads of information there. On top of that, it's Donald freaking Trump! Maybe the most famous rich guy in the last half century. It's not like people haven't been observing his financial dealings for 50 years.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
2.3.13  Ozzwald  replied to  Texan1211 @2.3.9    3 weeks ago

And WHAT is the legislative purpose of requesting Trump's returns?

Why does there need to be one?  Legislative branch is also charged with overseeing the Executive Branch.

 
 
 
Texan1211
2.3.14  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @2.3.13    3 weeks ago
Why does there need to be one? Legislative branch is also charged with overseeing the Executive Branch.

Within reason.

That doesn't apply to this case.

The Democrats want Trump's returns solely because they couldn't beat him and won't impeach him.

And why on earth would "overseeing the Executive Branch" include tax returns BEFORE he was President?

That is simply ludicrous.

 
 
 
bugsy
2.3.15  bugsy  replied to  lib50 @2.3.1    3 weeks ago
There may not be a law

You should have stopped there. Nothing else matters.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
2.3.16  Vic Eldred  replied to  lib50 @2.3.1    3 weeks ago
There may not be a law

As in -there isn't!

but why on gods green earth would any American be ok with a president hiding his personal information that could compromise our security because of ties to foreign money? 

Oh, I see, that's why we need to see his tax returns.

You don't care about transparency?

I do. I don't have any government info on a personal server in my basement!

 Presidential candidates can lie and hide their information?

It would seem so.

Exactly what standards would you hold a president to? 

Peace & Prosperity!

 Truth? 

I'd rank Judges who are committed to the Constitution above that.

We know that's a big NO. 

A little no, more a maybe.

Transparency?

Maybe

 Intellect?

To be honest, I'm more frightened of the educated than the non-educated


 What standards should a politician have to meet?

At the risk of being repetitive -Keeping America safe & secure, keeping the nation prosperous and draining the swamp!

 
 
 
lib50
2.3.17  lib50  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.3.16    3 weeks ago
To be honest, I'm more frightened of the educated than the non-educated

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Texan1211
2.3.18  Texan1211  replied to  lib50 @2.3.17    3 weeks ago
That pretty much sums up conservatives. Fear driven, and not just any old fear, fear of knowledge, science, intellect, education, pretty much anything fact driven.
And its quite clear conservatives have NO STANDARDS for themselves. Thanks for clarifying, everybody.

Hogwash.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
2.3.19  Vic Eldred  replied to  lib50 @2.3.17    3 weeks ago
That pretty much sums up conservatives. 

Good afternoon lib, I wouldn't generalize to much if I was you.

 Fear driven

More like experienced with what some on the left are capable of as soon as they attain power via their diploma mill educations.

And its quite clear conservatives have NO STANDARDS for themselves. 

That's rich! Coming on the 50th anniversary of Woodstock - Talk about a lack of standards & values!

Thanks for another revelation.

 
 
 
Tacos!
2.4  Tacos!  replied to  Tessylo @2    3 weeks ago
If he's got nothing to hide, why doesn't he release them?

If you've got nothing to hide, why don't you release your tax returns?

 
 
 
Tessylo
2.4.1  Tessylo  replied to  Tacos! @2.4    3 weeks ago

I'm not the 'president'

I'm not obligated to Putin and his oligarchs.

I haven't inflated my wealth

I think this 'president' is worth just about nothing except for what he is raping the treasury for as fast as his fat little fingers will allow and for those who he rolled back regulations for so they can continue to rape the planet and line his pockets during his 'presidency' and for those tax breaks to multi-millionaires and billionaires who also have been lining his pockets.

 
 
 
Tacos!
2.4.2  Tacos!  replied to  Tessylo @2.4.1    3 weeks ago
I'm not the 'president'

What difference does that make?

I'm not obligated to Putin and his oligarchs.

So you claim, but are you prepared to prove it starting with showing us your tax returns? For all we know, you're a Russian spy. The fact that you're not the president doesn't make that any less dangerous. You could be trying to fly under the radar by not running for office so you can destroy our beloved republic from within. 

[Deleted]

I haven't inflated my wealth

Haven't you? How would we know? And who knows what else you're lying about?

 
 
 
Tessylo
2.4.3  Tessylo  replied to  Tacos! @2.4.2    3 weeks ago

If the 'president' had nothing to hide, he'd show his tax returns.

 
 
 
Tessylo
2.4.4  Tessylo  replied to  Tacos! @2.4    3 weeks ago

If you've got nothing to hide, why don't you release your tax returns?

 
 
 
arkpdx
2.4.5  arkpdx  replied to  Tessylo @2.4.3    3 weeks ago

What is in Obama's college transcripts that he is afraid to let out. If he had nothing to hide , he would have released them

 
 
 
Tessylo
2.4.6  Tessylo  replied to  arkpdx @2.4.5    3 weeks ago

What president has ever released their college transcripts?

To my knowledge all prior presidents or presidential hopefuls have released their tax returns so what does tRump have to hide?

 
 
 
Tessylo
2.4.7  Tessylo  replied to  arkpdx @2.4.5    3 weeks ago
What is in tRumps' college transcripts that he is afraid to let out. If he had nothing to hide , he would have released them

 
 
 
bugsy
2.4.8  bugsy  replied to  Tessylo @2.4.1    3 weeks ago
I haven't inflated my wealth

Maybe you should post your tax returns here so we can make that determination.

 
 
 
Tacos!
2.4.9  Tacos!  replied to  Tessylo @2.4.4    3 weeks ago

I'm not the one demanding people release their tax returns. Have you heard about hypocrisy?

 
 
 
Tessylo
2.4.10  Tessylo  replied to  Tacos! @2.4.9    3 weeks ago

I never demanded his tax returns for fucks sake.  

You can have the last word now.  I've got far better things to do than to have the last word regarding this shitstain thug thief grifter scumbag 'president'

 
 
 
Tacos!
2.4.11  Tacos!  replied to  Tessylo @2.4.10    3 weeks ago
I never demanded his tax returns for fucks sake.

Oh I see. What are we supposed to make, then, of your repeated insistence that he must have something to hide if he doesn't release them?

What are we supposed to make of you "all prior presidents or presidential hopefuls have released their tax returns"? (And anyway, that is not true)

When I asked you why you don't release your returns, you said it's because you're not the president. Ergo, you think he should have to release the returns, because he is president. Sounds like a demand to me.

The real question is will you respond with a thoughtful answer or will we get a pointless emoji?

 
 
 
Texan1211
2.4.12  Texan1211  replied to  Tacos! @2.4.11    3 weeks ago

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arkpdx
2.4.13  arkpdx  replied to  Tessylo @2.4.6    3 weeks ago

And you would be wrong, again. 

 
 
 
It Is ME
2.5  It Is ME  replied to  Tessylo @2    3 weeks ago
If he's got nothing to hide, why doesn't he release them?

'cause he doesn't have to.

I don't offer up anything I don't have to either !

Do you ?

 
 
 
Tessylo
2.5.1  Tessylo  replied to  It Is ME @2.5    3 weeks ago

So yet one more lie from the 'president' on top of a mountain of lies.  

 
 
 
It Is ME
2.5.2  It Is ME  replied to  Tessylo @2.5.1    3 weeks ago
So yet one more lie from the 'president' on top of a mountain of lies. 

What Lie ?

 
 
 
Old Hermit
2.5.3  Old Hermit  replied to  It Is ME @2.5.2    3 weeks ago
What Lie ?

All the things Donald Trump has said about releasing his tax returns

So far, President Trump has refused to release his tax returns while in office, breaking with a 40-year tradition.

.........

Trump's public statements about his returns have shifted subtly over the years.

At first, Trump was open about wanting to release his returns. He began citing the ongoing audit as a reason not to release them in early 2016.

Here's a selection of remarks Trump has made:

MAY 20, 2014:

More than a year before he announced his presidential campaign, Trump told an Irish television station that he would "absolutely" release his tax returns if he entered the race.

"If I decide to run for office, I'll produce my tax returns, absolutely," he said. "And I would love to do that."

FEBRUARY 25, 2015:

Trump told radio host Hugh Hewitt that he would "certainly show tax returns if it was necessary."

OCTOBER 4, 2015:

Trump said in an interview with ABC's George Stephanopoulos that he was considering releasing his tax returns.

"I'm thinking about maybe when we find out the true story on Hillary's emails," he said of Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton.

JANUARY 24, 2016:

Trump told NBC's Chuck Todd that he had "very big returns."

Asked if he would release them publicly, Trump said, "we're working on that now."

"I have very big returns, as you know, and I have everything all approved and very beautiful and we'll be working that over in the next period of time, Chuck," Trump said. "Absolutely."

FEBRUARY 11, 2016:

Trump appeared again on Hewitt's radio program and said of his returns, "we'll get them out at some point, probably."

FEBRUARY 24, 2016:

Trump told CNN's Anderson Cooper that he has a "very complex system of taxes."

"We'll make a determination over the next couple of months," he said. "It's very complicated."

FEBRUARY 25, 2016:

Trump tweeted that he's already filed public financial disclosure forms that are "great." He said that tax returns "have 0 to do w/ someone's net worth."

The disclosure forms do give wide estimates of asset value. But tax returns would reveal much more. Even the top two pages of his 1040 and Schedule A, for example, would say how much taxable income he made, how much he paid in taxes, his charitable contributions and whether he paid tax to any foreign governments.

Just for your info, tax returns have 0 to do w/ someone's net worth. I have already filed my financial statements w/ FEC. They are great!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) February 25, 2016

During a CNN-Telemundo debate later that day , Trump said he wanted to release his tax returns, but could not while he's under audit.

"I've had it for years. I get audited. And obviously if I'm being audited, I'm not going to release a return," he said. "As soon as the audit is done, I love it."

FEBRUARY 27, 2016:

Trump revisits the audit argument on Twitter.

"Tax experts throughout the media agree that no sane person would give their tax returns during an audit," he said. "After the audit, no problem!"

Tax experts throughout the media agree that no sane person would give their tax returns during an audit. After the audit, no problem!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) February 27, 2016

MAY 11, 2016:

Trump tells the Associated Press that his taxes are under "routine audit" and he will release them when the audit is done.

"I would release my tax returns when audit is complete, not after election!" he tweeted about the interview.

In interview I told @AP that my taxes are under routine audit and I would release my tax returns when audit is complete, not after election!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) May 11, 2016

SEPTEMBER 27, 2016:

Trump says during the first presidential debate that his taxes will be released once an audit is finished.

"I don't mind releasing. I'm under a routine audit, and it will be released. As soon as the audit's finished, it will be released," he said.

OCTOBER 4, 2016:

Mike Pence says during a vice presidential debate with Democratic candidate Tim Kaine that Trump has not "broken his promise" about releasing tax returns.

"Look, Donald Trump has filed over 100 pages of financial disclosure, which is what the law requires," Pence said. He added that trump is "going to release his tax returns when the audit is over."

JANUARY 22, 2017:

White House senior adviser Kellyanne Conway said on ABC's "This Week" that "the White House response is that he's not going to release his tax returns."

She added: "We litigated this all through the election. People didn't care."

JANUARY 23, 2017:

Conway clarifies her comments with a tweet: "On taxes, answers (& repeated questions) are same from campaign: POTUS is under audit and will not release until that is completed."

On taxes, answers (& repeated questions) are same from campaign: POTUS is under audit and will not release until that is completed. #nonews

— Kellyanne Conway (@KellyannePolls) January 23, 2017

APRIL 16, 2017:

A day after protestors called on Trump to release his tax returns , the president derided the demonstrators on Twitter.

"I did what was an almost an impossible thing to do for a Republican-easily won the Electoral College!" he tweeted. "Now Tax Returns are brought up again?"

I did what was an almost an impossible thing to do for a Republican-easily won the Electoral College! Now Tax Returns are brought up again?

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) April 16, 2017

APRIL 17, 2017:

Spicer, the White House press secretary, says Trump's tax returns are still under audit.

"It's the same thing that was discussed during the campaign trail, the president is under audit. It's a routine one that continues," he said.

Asked in a later exchange if we can assume Trump will never release his returns, Spicer said he would "get back to you on that."
 
 
 
dennis smith
2.5.4  dennis smith  replied to  Old Hermit @2.5.3    3 weeks ago

The dems lost their request to fast track by the court system and simply cannot get over it. No doubt they will spend more time and money on another yet another nonsense lawsuit.

Please keep it up Dems and you will insure 4 more years of Trump as voters want more than a continuous lawsuit string that has taken them nowhere in the courts.

 
 
 
It Is ME
2.5.5  It Is ME  replied to  Old Hermit @2.5.3    3 weeks ago

He doesn't want to release his tax returns. SO ! jrSmiley_90_smiley_image.gif

Besides, your list isn't what was being talked about above. jrSmiley_89_smiley_image.gif Read what was posted ! jrSmiley_97_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Texan1211
3  Texan1211    3 weeks ago

What legislative purpose have the Democrats claimed to demand Trump's personal tax returns?

Any at all?

 
 
 
Ozzwald
3.1  Ozzwald  replied to  Texan1211 @3    3 weeks ago
What legislative purpose have the Democrats claimed to demand Trump's personal tax returns?

The House handles oversight of the Executive branch.  What are some of the possible reasons for wanting to looks at Trump's taxes?

1) Trump's not as rich as he says: There's very little question that Trump overstates his personal wealth -- and has done so for as long as he has had personal wealth. He's said he's worth $10 billion; Forbes said in 2018 that number is closer to $3 billion. For Trump to be exposed as one-third as rich as he had said he is would be embarrassing, sure. But remember, too, that Trump equates wealth directly with success and importance. So being exposed as less rich would be a blow to his success narrative as well.

2) He has Russia ties: While the Mueller report made clear that neither Trump nor anyone in his campaign orbit colluded with the Russians to help Trump win the 2016 election, it would still be a very big story if Trump's tax returns showed he had extensive financial dealings and ties to Russia. We know, from Michael Cohen, that Trump and his family were deeply involved in the potential construction of Trump Tower Moscow and that Cohen lied about that involvement (and how long it stretched) to protect Trump. We also know that Donald Trump Jr. said this at a 2008 real estate conference: "In terms of high-end product influx into the US, Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets. Say, in Dubai, and certainly with our project in SoHo, and anywhere in New York. We see a lot of money pouring in from Russia."

3) He didn't pay many (or any) taxes: We know -- because Trump admitted as much -- that he used a more than $900 million net operating loss for his business in 1995 to avoid paying personal income taxes for a number of subsequent years. How? This, from The New York Times, explains it:
"Known as net operating loss, it allows an array of deductions, business expenses, real estate depreciation, losses from the sale of business assets and even operating losses to flow from the balance sheets of those partnerships, limited liability companies and S corporations onto the personal tax returns of people like Mr. Trump. In turn, those losses can be used to cancel out an equivalent amount of taxable income."
As the Times noted, Trump's $916 million loss in 1995 could have allowed him to pay $0 in personal income taxes for the next 18 years.

4) He donates no (or very little) money to charity: We know, thanks to the amazing reporting of the Washington Post's David Fahrenthold, that Trump long used his charitable organization to feather his own nest and collect political chits rather than for any philanthropic purposes. (Trump shut down the charity in 2018.) It's not at all clear how generous (if at all) Trump has been to other charities over the past few decades. While there is no requirement for wealthy individuals to make large charitable donations, many do. And Trump has often boasted about the depth and breadth of his charitable giving.

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.1.1  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @3.1    3 weeks ago
1) Trump's not as rich as he says: There's very little question that Trump overstates his personal wealth -- and has done so for as long as he has had personal wealth. He's said he's worth $10 billion; Forbes said in 2018 that number is closer to $3 billion. For Trump to be exposed as one-third as rich as he had said he is would be embarrassing, sure. But remember, too, that Trump equates wealth directly with success and importance. So being exposed as less rich would be a blow to his success narrative as well.

That is NO legislative purpose. Trump could claim to be a billionaire a hundred times over and it STILL wouldn't have any legislative purpose.

2) He has Russia ties: While the Mueller report made clear that neither Trump nor anyone in his campaign orbit colluded with the Russians to help Trump win the 2016 election, it would still be a very big story if Trump's tax returns showed he had extensive financial dealings and ties to Russia. We know, from Michael Cohen, that Trump and his family were deeply involved in the potential construction of Trump Tower Moscow and that Cohen lied about that involvement (and how long it stretched) to protect Trump. We also know that Donald Trump Jr. said this at a 2008 real estate conference: "In terms of high-end product influx into the US, Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets. Say, in Dubai, and certainly with our project in SoHo, and anywhere in New York. We see a lot of money pouring in from Russia."

Is there any US law prohibiting US citizens from having any financial dealings with Russia? Please cite such law. Just the SPECIFIC US Code will do.

3) He didn't pay many (or any) taxes: We know -- because Trump admitted as much -- that he used a more than $900 million net operating loss for his business in 1995 to avoid paying personal income taxes for a number of subsequent years. How? This, from The New York Times, explains it:
"Known as net operating loss, it allows an array of deductions, business expenses, real estate depreciation, losses from the sale of business assets and even operating losses to flow from the balance sheets of those partnerships, limited liability companies and S corporations onto the personal tax returns of people like Mr. Trump. In turn, those losses can be used to cancel out an equivalent amount of taxable income."
As the Times noted, Trump's $916 million loss in 1995 could have allowed him to pay $0 in personal income taxes for the next 18 years.

Even your own damn source tells you it was ALLOWED. Geez, man read what you list first. 

4) He donates no (or very little) money to charity: We know, thanks to the amazing reporting of the Washington Post's David Fahrenthold, that Trump long used his charitable organization to feather his own nest and collect political chits rather than for any philanthropic purposes. (Trump shut down the charity in 2018.) It's not at all clear how generous (if at all) Trump has been to other charities over the past few decades. While there is no requirement for wealthy individuals to make large charitable donations, many do. And Trump has often boasted about the depth and breadth of his charitable giving.

Last time I checked, no US citizen is required to donate to any charity. Unless he claimed a charitable deduction that he didn't make, not a thing wrong with that.

There it is. Not ONE damn legislative purpose in ANYTHING you wrote or quoted.

Ultimate FAIL.

Try harder to answer the question--WHAT IS THE LEGISLATIVE PURPOSE FOR DEMANDING TRUMP'S RETURNS?

 
 
 
arkpdx
3.1.2  arkpdx  replied to  Ozzwald @3.1    3 weeks ago

1. It is not against any law to exaggerate ones wealth. He may have more or less than he says. So what?

2. It would be more unusual for someone in Trump's profession not to have international contact including some from Russia. It is not illegal to have Russian friends or colleagues.

3. If the way he did his taxes showed that he took legal means to reduce his tax liability to 0 , more power to him. The IRS certainly checked those returns already and found no irregularities or criminal violations.

4. Whether or not he donated to charityand how much is no one else's concern but his. Again but he improperly takes the as a deduction the IRS would have found it already.

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.1.3  Texan1211  replied to  arkpdx @3.1.2    3 weeks ago

He was asked for a legislative purpose for asking for Trump's returns and he responded with that clattle-trap nonsense.

 
 
 
Texan1211
4  Texan1211    3 weeks ago

I see the usual internet CPAs and tax experts are weaving their little tale of how Trump MUST be "hiding" something in his tax returns.

Amazing how the govt. publishes all sorts of forms for tax returns.

Any of those forms allow "hiding" anything?

If so, please, all you so-called self-proclaimed "experts", show us.

Back up your RIDICULOUS claims--if you can, of course.

Should I hold my breath waiting for actual proof?

 
 
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