Trump’s order to strike Iranian commander sparks fresh debate in Congress over war powers

  
Via:  krishna  •  2 months ago  •  11 comments

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Trump’s order to strike Iranian commander sparks fresh debate in Congress over war powers
“We’re now at a boiling point, and Congress must step in before Trump puts even more of our troops in harm’s way,” said Sen. Tim Kaine (D-Va.).

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Sen. Tim Kaine (D-Va.) unveiled plans to use privileges in the War Powers Act to at least force votes on a debate in the Senate on authorizing use of force. (Jahi Chikwendiu/The Washington Post)



A bipartisan clutch of rank-and-file lawmakers seized on President Trump’s order for a lethal missile strike against an Iranian leader to spark a new debate over the parameters for instigating military action.

Arguing that war resolutions from 2001 and 2002 are outdated, some members of the House and Senate have begun exploring options to try to force what has become a long, dormant debate over Congress’s inability to craft a new use-of-force resolution for missions in Iraq and Afghanistan.



The U.S. drone strike that killed Quds Force commander Maj. Gen. Qasem Soleimani provided new impetus to their efforts.

“We’re now at a boiling point, and Congress must step in before Trump puts even more of our troops in harm’s way,” said Sen. Tim Kaine (D-Va.).

Kaine later unveiled plans to use privileges in the War Powers Act to at least force votes on a debate in the Senate, hoping to rein in Trump’s ability to wage war without congressional actions.




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Krishna
1  seeder  Krishna    2 months ago

“We’re now at a boiling point, and Congress must step in before Trump puts even more of our troops in harm’s way,” said Sen. Tim Kaine (D-Va.).

And now that we have a true Chickenhawk Neo-Con as president, the lives of many more of America's kids are being needlessly put at risk. :-(

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
2  Thrawn 31    2 months ago

War Powers need to be seriously curtailed. 

 
 
 
MUVA
2.1  MUVA  replied to  Thrawn 31 @2    2 months ago

The Congress should vote every time except in the case of stopping a terrorist attack.

 
 
 
Krishna
3  seeder  Krishna    2 months ago

Republican and Democratic presidents have applied the broad authority of the post-Sept. 11 authorization and the 2002 Iraq War resolution to multiple military operations, from Libya to Syria.

Earlier this decade, when Democrats held the White House and Senate, Kaine and his allies grew outraged as the 2001 and 2002 AUMFs were cited as grounds for expanding operations against terrorists into Yemen, Africa and other hotspots far from Afghanistan and Iraq.

 
 
 
MUVA
3.1  MUVA  replied to  Krishna @3    2 months ago

Don’t forget Libya our government actually over threw the terrorist leaded and most act like it never happen.

 
 
 
Krishna
3.1.1  seeder  Krishna  replied to  MUVA @3.1    2 months ago
Don’t forget Libya

Yes... and the horrendous death toll on the coalition side!

/sarc

 
 
 
MUVA
3.1.2  MUVA  replied to  Krishna @3.1.1    2 months ago

You should go there I've heard it's really nice now it's run by 5 different terrorist groups.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
4  Paula Bartholomew    2 months ago

Trump will blow off any restrictions and do as he pleases.  After all, he knows more about everything than anybody.

 
 
 
Krishna
5  seeder  Krishna    2 months ago
Don’t forget Libya

Yes... and the horrendous death toll on the coalition side!

/sarc

What president could possibly show such a callous disregard for human life-- the lives of YUGE numbers of Amercan military men and women-- who were needlessly put in harms way in the Libyan operations!

And Oh-- the horrendous death toll that that involved:

Military losses on the coalition side

22 March : One USAF  F-15E  flying from Aviano crashed in Bu Marim, northwest of Benghazi. The pilot was rescued alive by  US Marines  from the  26th Marine Expeditionary Unit  based on the  USS  Kearsarge . The weapons systems officer evaded hostile forces and was subsequently repatriated by undisclosed forces

27 April : An F-16 from the  United Arab Emirates Air Force  crashed at  Naval Air Station Sigonella  at about 11:35 local time; the pilot ejected safely.

21 June : An unmanned US Navy  MQ-8 Fire Scout  went down over Libya, possibly due to enemy fire.

20 July : A British airman was killed in a traffic accident in Italy while part of a logistical convoy transferring supplies from the UK to NATO bases in the south of Italy from which air strikes were being conducted against Libya

Shouldn't the president be held responsible for these horrendous losses of American life?

/double sarc...with a cherry on top!

 
 
 
Tacos!
6  Tacos!    2 months ago
“We’re now at a boiling point, and Congress must step in before Trump puts even more of our troops in harm’s way,”

What? What is he talking about?

Trump hasn't put any of our troops "in harm's way." Our troops are right where they have been. We did this with an airstrike, not "troops." If you think the troops already stationed in Iraq weren't already in harm's way from Iran or its proxies, then you haven't been paying attention.

I think it's ridiculous that this is suddenly a crisis. How many people did Obama wipe from the face of the Earth with drone strikes? Does anybody even know? ( This article says Obama authorized 193 drone strikes just in Pakistan. Do most people even know we're fighting in Pakistan?) This article says he approved 563 drone strikes in Pakistan, Somalia, and Yemen. Add to that, 495 airstrikes over 6 months in Libya. Libya??? I mean you can't even keep track of them all!

Then there's this:

Obama also began an air campaign targeting Yemen. His first strike was a catastrophe: commanders thought they were targeting al Qaeda but instead hit a tribe with cluster munitions, killing 55 people. Twenty-one were children – 10 of them under five. Twelve were women, five of them pregnant.

All of that was just fine for Mr. Nobel Peace Prize, but Trump greases one asshole-in-charge-of-all-the-other-assholes and you'd think he tea-bagged the Queen of England.

 
 
 
WallyW
6.1  WallyW  replied to  Tacos! @6    2 months ago

They're just being hypocrites as usual.

As C-i-C Trump acted within his powers and limits of authority

 
 
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