Weirdest thing ever!

  
Via:  drakkonis  •  one month ago  •  19 comments

By:   InspiringPhilosophy

Weirdest thing ever!
The atoms or elementary paricles themselves are not real; they form a world of potentialities or possibilities rather than one of things or facts. (Werner Heisenberg)

Quantum science is beyond strange. I'm not sure how to think about it, let alone what to think about it. Not much wonder in why Einstein hated the idea. 


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Drakkonis
1  seeder  Drakkonis    one month ago

This makes my head hurt : )

 
 
 
Drakkonis
1.1  seeder  Drakkonis  replied to  Drakkonis @1    one month ago

Some interesting quotes from notable people on the subject. 

https://www.azquotes.com/quotes/topics/quantum-physics.html

 
 
 
TᵢG
2  TᵢG    one month ago

Particle physics is the most accurately predicted area of science but is arguably the least understood.   Another thing to make one's head hurt.   Scientists have exceptionally well-conceived mathematics describing behavior but they have no idea how this behavior actually occurs.   There is another physics operating at a level lower than science has ever gone.   I would love to live long enough to find out what this is.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.1  JohnRussell  replied to  TᵢG @2    one month ago
 I would love to live long enough to find out what this is.

I hope you do too. But then what? If you gain this ultimate knowledge , what does that mean?  There will always be an unknowable something, or the next frontier, won't there? 

The ultimate makeup of existence is really not quite the business of man, in my opinion. 

Will it cure cancer? 

 
 
 
TᵢG
2.1.1  TᵢG  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1    one month ago
If you gain this ultimate knowledge , what does that mean? 

One step closer to understanding our reality.   In the grand scale and in the long term, I cannot think of anything more profound than understanding that of which we are composed and that of which we are part.

There will always be an unknowable something, or the next frontier, won't there? 

Of course.   That was true back when the world held that the geocentric model was correct.   The heliocentric model was the next frontier at that time.   That knowledge made a rather profound impact.

The ultimate makeup of existence is really not quite the business of man, in my opinion. 

Probably true.  I doubt mankind will ever get to the absolute bottom of things.

Will it cure cancer? 

Lot's of worthwhile things will not cure cancer.    To put this in terms that you should relate to, one could ask you if the impeachment trial will cure cancer.    

 
 
 
Drakkonis
2.1.2  seeder  Drakkonis  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1    one month ago
If you gain this ultimate knowledge , what does that mean?

Not quite the way I look at it, speaking for myself. For me, it is appreciation of God's works. Something to marvel about and praise Him for. It's why I like science. Who doesn't like to be appreciated? 

 
 
 
TᵢG
2.1.3  TᵢG  replied to  Drakkonis @2.1.2    one month ago

Although I am not convinced there is a sentient creator, I agree with you in principle on this point.   We are living at a time where science can take us well beyond our senses and also well beyond our intuition.   With science we are learning of a reality that is so complex and foreign to our everyday life as to be considered truly surreal.

If there is a sentient creator, what it has produced is indeed awesome.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.1.4  JohnRussell  replied to  TᵢG @2.1.3    one month ago
If there is a sentient creator, what it has produced is indeed awesome.

My point is it was awesome before any "latest" discovery. It was awesome when people just looked up at the stars. 

Ultimate science will not answer all questions, it will create more questions. That is the way of the world. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
2.1.5  TᵢG  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.4    one month ago
My point is it was awesome before any "latest" discovery.

My point is that learning about our reality is net good and we should keep doing so.

It was awesome when people just looked up at the stars. 

It was more awesome when we discovered that many of those 'stars' are in fact entire galaxies.

Ultimate science will not answer all questions, it will create more questions. That is the way of the world. 

Knowledge enables us to accomplish more.   The fact that we will never achieve omniscience does not bother me in the slightest.


Your perspective is strange to me.   You seem to think that learning is pointless.   

 
 
 
bccrane
2.1.6  bccrane  replied to  Drakkonis @2.1.2    one month ago

That's about what I was thinking while watching the video, the future, down to particles, can exist in different probabilities until we basically put a time stamp on it by the act of  our observation and it becomes reality and now part of our known past.

 
 
 
CB
3  CB     one month ago

This  is so interesting. The video ending is exciting and intriguing!

 
 
 
Drakkonis
4  seeder  Drakkonis    one month ago

Something that bothers me about the notion that observation creates what we observe. If that is so, what about the dust speck that just impacted on the ISS? Unlikely that anyone was observing it. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
4.1  TᵢG  replied to  Drakkonis @4    one month ago

The observation effect is at a tiny scale.   In our macro world (the intuitive world that human beings perceive) the variations in the state of a single particle are entirely undetectable.   Even though the golf ball on your tee is composed of particles in superposition, the exact location of the particle will not affect the aerodynamics or look of the ball in any way.   

Think of a bunker.   Will it look different to you if the sand particles are in slightly different positions from one second to another?   And that example is at our scale.  The actual differences are at a ridiculously small scale.

 
 
 
Drakkonis
4.1.1  seeder  Drakkonis  replied to  TᵢG @4.1    one month ago

The atom pictured above does look suspiciously like a golf ball, doesn't it? 

 
 
 
TᵢG
4.1.2  TᵢG  replied to  Drakkonis @4.1.1    one month ago

Now that you mention it.   Did that just happen because we observed it?

 
 
 
bccrane
4.2  bccrane  replied to  Drakkonis @4    one month ago

The other atoms that that particle impacted noticed it and reacted to it.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
5  Nerm_L    one month ago

Even describing reality as quantum possibilities and potentialities does not obviate that reality is highly constrained.  What the experimental results reveal is that chaos is a fundamental property of reality precluding the possibility of finite prediction at that fundamental level.  However, chaos at that fundamental level is highly constrained; the probabilities do not support chaotic randomness.

Quoting Albert Einstein, "God does not play dice with the universe."  The ability to describe reality with a quantum wave function confirms that reality is highly constrained.

 
 
 
TᵢG
5.1  TᵢG  replied to  Nerm_L @5    one month ago
What the experimental results reveal is that chaos is a fundamental property of reality precluding the possibility of finite prediction at that fundamental level.

Yes.  It appears as though particles are chaotic (the wave function is seemingly random).   As science progresses, I would not be surprised if science discovered a complex pattern behind wave functions.  In other words, science might be able to replace the probabilistic mathematical description of a wave function with one that is deterministic.

The ability to describe reality with a quantum wave function confirms that reality is highly constrained.

Certainly is at the level above particles.   A good thing too.   Imagine a macro world where the walls of the building keep shifting locations.   Our macro world does indeed appear to be wholly deterministic.   But since reality is far more complex than we can comprehend, there could be effects without causes that we simply cannot detect.

Reality is quite a head trip.

 
 
 
Drakkonis
5.1.1  seeder  Drakkonis  replied to  TᵢG @5.1    one month ago
Reality is quite a head trip.

That's an understatement for sure. It's difficult to even come up with a place to begin thinking about the implications. Makes one wonder if "quantum reality" isn't an oxymoron. 

 
 
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