Father and son arrested and charged with murder in death of Ahmaud Arbery

  
Via:  1stwarrior  •  3 weeks ago  •  93 comments

Father and son arrested and charged with murder in death of Ahmaud Arbery
Both men were taken into custody and face charges of aggravated assault and murder, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation announced.

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A white man and his son who are   accused of killing an unarmed black man   in Georgia in February have been arrested after video of the incident sparked widespread outrage.

Gregory McMichael, 64, and Travis McMichael, 34, were arrested in the death of Ahmaud Arbery, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation announced. Both men face charges of aggravated assault and murder.

Arbery, 25, was shot to death in Brunswick , a coastal city about midway between Savannah, Georgia, and Jacksonville, Florida, on Feb. 23 as he was running through the Satilla Shores neighborhood. His family says he was out jogging, while the McMichaels claimed that they thought he was a burglar.

Video released Tuesday by attorneys for Arbery's family   appears to show an altercation between a group of men before what is alleged to be the fatal shooting.

According to a Glynn County police report, Gregory McMichael first spotted Arbery on foot "hauling ass" down Satilla Drive and immediately thought he was a burglar who had recently been targeting the neighborhood.

Gregory McMichael armed himself with a .357 Magnum, and his son grabbed a shotgun. They jumped into their pickup truck and chased Arbery. Police said a third man, identified as a neighbor, joined the chase and jumped into the McMichaels' truck.

The police report did not specify whether Arbery had a gun, but lawyers for the family say he was unarmed.

In the video, Arbery is seen running down a road as a white pickup truck is stopped in front of him. Arbery runs around the vehicle. The video then shows Arbery and another man appearing to tussle as shots are fired.

NBC News cannot verify what occurred before or after the events shown in the video.

George Barnhill, one of the prosecutors who first handled the case, defended the actions of the McMichaels and their neighbor in the truck. In a letter to the Glynn County Police Department obtained by NBC News, Barnhill wrote that the men had "solid first hand probable cause" to chase Arbery, a "burglary suspect," and stop him.

Barnhill also said that after he watched the video of the incident, "given the fact Arbery initiated the fight" and grabbed the shotgun, he believed Travis McMichael "was allowed to use deadly force to protect himself" under Georgia law.

The office of Tom Durden — the district attorney in Liberty County, who is now handling the case — asked that the GBI begin an inquiry Tuesday, and the bureau's Kingsland Office began investigating Wednesday.

Arbery's death sparked nationwide outrage, with many activists, politicians and celebrities sharing a social media post urging people to contact the Liberty County prosecutors to demand that the McMichaels be charged.

Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp   called the video of the shooting "absolutely horrific"   and said Georgians deserve answers.

"I have full confidence in Vic Reynolds and the Georgia Bureau of Investigation," Kemp said. "I know that they will be working around the clock to thoroughly and independently investigate Mr. Arbery's death to find the truth."

"Black Panther" and "Creed" actor Michael B. Jordan shared the call to   action Wednesday , saying on Instagram that the video made him sick to his stomach.

"Just because you may not experience racism, doesn't mean it doesn't exist and if you don't think anything is wrong with this video or try to defend this in any way, you are a part of the problem," Jordan said.

Joe Biden, the apparent Democratic presidential nominee,   called Arbery's death a "grave injustice"   during a virtual roundtable with African American lawmakers in Florida on Thursday.

"This family and the country deserves justice, and they deserve it now. They deserve a transparent investigation of this brutal murder," Biden said. "But our nation deserves it, as well. We need to reckon with this. This goes on. These vicious acts call to mind the darkest chapters of our history."

The McMichaels were to be booked at the Glynn County Jail. It was unclear whether they have retained an attorney.


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1stwarrior
1  seeder  1stwarrior    3 weeks ago

Pure pre-meditated murder by some serious Red-necks.

"Hauling ass"????  Well, compared to the two fat azzes who killed him, a steady walk would be considered as "hauling ass" by their standards.

They had the nerve to drive past him, set up their truck to block him, and then kill him in cold blood????

And these 'good ol' boys' used to work in law enforcement??

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
2  Just Jim NC TttH    3 weeks ago

I wonder if they are also going to go after the person who shot the video..............they damned well should. 

 
 
 
1stwarrior
2.1  seeder  1stwarrior  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2    3 weeks ago

I do wonder why it took so long for that video to make it to the proper authorities.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2.1.1  XDm9mm  replied to  1stwarrior @2.1    3 weeks ago
I do wonder why it took so long for that video to make it to the proper authorities.

One good reason. Fear.

Whoever took the video was likely afraid of coming forward immediately since the tow LLSBT's would probably remember who was in the area at the time.   Given time and distance, their memory wouldn't be as clear and 'retribution' less likely.

 
 
 
Split Personality
2.1.2  Split Personality  replied to  1stwarrior @2.1    3 weeks ago

Because the three men in the white pick up truck were still free, armed and dangerous?

 
 
 
katrix
2.1.3  katrix  replied to  Split Personality @2.1.2    3 weeks ago

Apparently the guy who took the video has been charged. He may have been the neighbor who joined the racist murderers 

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
2.1.4  Thrawn 31  replied to  katrix @2.1.3    3 weeks ago

That is what it looks like, he may well be charged.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2.2  XDm9mm  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2    3 weeks ago
I wonder if they are also going to go after the person who shot the video..............they damned well should. 

And what would the charges be?  Keeping quiet fearing for ones life?

He/she brought the video forward.  It IS possible that the video was given to the "authorities" and they tried to bury it, since I noticed the article notes it was brought out by the attorneys for the Arbrey family.    

THAT's the angle I would investigate now that the video is out.  Exactly who had possession and knowledge of it BEFORE the family attorney got it out in the public.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
2.2.1  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  XDm9mm @2.2    3 weeks ago

All good points. But two months?

 
 
 
Transyferous Rex
2.2.2  Transyferous Rex  replied to  XDm9mm @2.2    3 weeks ago
It IS possible that the video was given to the "authorities" and they tried to bury it,

Yeah, but there is no reason to release the video to the public, from the prosecutor's (I know you didn't say prosecutor) standpoint. I haven't read much, but if the video was leaked by the family, the family either received a copy form the person that shot it, or through a records request. My bet is a records request, which would mean its not buried. Family has an incentive to leak the video though, to get the authorities off of center, as they see to, by creating a public outcry.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
2.2.3  sandy-2021492  replied to  Transyferous Rex @2.2.2    3 weeks ago

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2020/05/07/ahmaud-arbery-shooting-video-prosecutor-arrest-mcmichael/3089040001/

Alan Tucker, a criminal defense attorney in Brunswick, said in a statement Thursday that he released the video because "there was entirely too much speculation, rumor, false narratives and outright lies surrounding the event."

"My sole purpose in releasing the video was absolute transparency because my community was being ripped apart by erroneous accusations and assumptions," said Tucker, adding that he had not been retained by anyone for the case.

Tucker did not respond to a request for comment on why he had the video. 

Benjamin Crump, an attorney for the Arbery family, posted a photo on Twitter  Thursday of a man he says is Bryan.

"If he chased down Ahmaud and filmed his execution, he should be arrested and charged with aiding and abetting them in committing this crime of murder," Crump said. 

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2.2.4  XDm9mm  replied to  Transyferous Rex @2.2.2    3 weeks ago
Yeah, but there is no reason to release the video to the public, from the prosecutor's (I know you didn't say prosecutor) standpoint.

Actually, I believe otherwise.   Making the assumption that the prosecutor(s) did in fact have the video, why did they only come out with arrest warrants when it was made public?  It most certainly does not take that long to view the evidence and proceed with charging the people involved.  Of course they might make the claim that they wanted to utilize a Grand Jury, but that's nothing but a CYA in this situation IMHO.

And if the family had to force the 'authorities' to "get off center", as my late mother would say, "There's something rotten in Denmark." (Honestly, I knew what she was saying but I still can't figure out how that saying came about!!)   Honestly, it sounds eerily like a pathetic attempt at a cover-up for a couple of ex-cops.

 
 
 
Transyferous Rex
2.2.5  Transyferous Rex  replied to  sandy-2021492 @2.2.3    3 weeks ago

There you go. As an aside, the video is clearly shot from a different vehicle. The other article alleges that the neighbor jumped into the truck with the McMichaels. One of the reasons the authorities really don't want the "news" to get out. Damn media gets it wrong all of the time, then you have potential jurors coming in, again potentially, with an incorrect idea as to the facts. 

Charge his ass. Phone should have been used to call the police, not to video. Technically, doesn't have a duty to intervene or call the police, this looks like he was in on it though. Again, I'm assuming, which is not a good thing. For all I know, he called 911, chased this thing down, and videoed it to get evidence against his crazy ass neighbors. Trying to stop it may have gotten him shot. But, I digress. I'm contributing to the misinformation machine at this point.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
2.2.6  seeder  1stwarrior  replied to  sandy-2021492 @2.2.3    3 weeks ago

Reading the comments from Tucker just, to me, clarifies that they really did not intend to try the case because they didn't/don't believe it was an erroneous shoot.

"there was entirely too much speculation, rumor, false narratives and outright lies surrounding the event."

"absolute transparency because my community was being ripped apart by erroneous accusations and assumptions,"

In the world that I used to work in, those two statements explicitly state there was/is not intent to prosecute.

If you watch the video closely, you'll note that it was INTENTIONALLY angled away on two occasions.  Prior to those two occasions, the camera was as steady as a rock and then, all of a sudden, twice, the camera started bouncing around.  Bryan evidently didn't think the two chasers were actually going to kill the jogger.

Also noted that the fella in the back of the pick-up grabbed that ol' 357 out of his holster as "back-up".

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
2.2.7  sandy-2021492  replied to  XDm9mm @2.2.4    3 weeks ago
"There's something rotten in Denmark." (Honestly, I knew what she was saying but I still can't figure out how that saying came about!!) 

It's Shakespeare, from Hamlet.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
2.2.8  seeder  1stwarrior  replied to  XDm9mm @2.2.4    3 weeks ago

Hamlet quote.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
2.2.9  sandy-2021492  replied to  1stwarrior @2.2.6    3 weeks ago
Reading the comments from Tucker just, to me, clarifies that they really did not intend to try the case because they didn't/don't believe it was an erroneous shoot.

That's how I read it, too.  The video was leaked in an attempt to get authorities to do their duty.  They weren't going to otherwise.

 
 
 
Transyferous Rex
2.2.10  Transyferous Rex  replied to  XDm9mm @2.2.4    3 weeks ago

There is always more to the story, and we may never know it. Here is some additional info, true or no, the DA alleges that the mother did not want the DA to prosecute, so he, and his office, was stepping aside, and attempting to get the state's AG on it.

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6883949-Waycross-Judicial-Circuit-Letter-on-Ahmaud.html

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
2.2.11  sandy-2021492  replied to  Transyferous Rex @2.2.10    3 weeks ago

The way I understood from the USA Today article, the mother didn't object to prosecution; she objected to Barnhill specifically, because she felt he had a conflict of interest.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2020/05/07/ahmaud-arbery-shooting-video-prosecutor-arrest-mcmichael/3089040001/

Barnhill said in the letter that he was recusing himself from the case over a conflict of interest. In the memo, he stated that Arbery's mother wanted him off the case because his son worked in the Brunswick District Attorney's office. 

Barnhill was also the one who initially declined to prosecute, because he said the McMichaels' actions were legal.

"It appears it was their intent to stop and hold this criminal suspect until law enforcement arrived," Barnhill wrote. "Under Georgia law, that is perfectly legal." 

Mom was right - he needs to be off the case.

 
 
 
Transyferous Rex
2.2.12  Transyferous Rex  replied to  Transyferous Rex @2.2.10    3 weeks ago

As an aside, the DA goes through his self-defense BS, as well as a citizens arrest, lawful carry, etc. analysis. I'm not sure I agree with it, but he provides his basis for not suggesting an arrest. However, he apparently is referring the matter to the AG, who would review it. 

Again, there is always more to the story. From what I see in the video, damn bad decisions being made though. The one thing that I think turns this deal is whether or not they witnessed any crime. 

 
 
 
katrix
2.2.13  katrix  replied to  XDm9mm @2.2.4    3 weeks ago

The Denmark thing is from Shakespeare.. hamlet 

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2.2.14  XDm9mm  replied to  sandy-2021492 @2.2.3    3 weeks ago
"My sole purpose in releasing the video was absolute transparency because my community was being ripped apart by erroneous accusations and assumptions," said Tucker, adding that he had not been retained by anyone for the case.

Excuse me, but Mr. Tucker, ESQ., if no one has 'retained' you how did you happen to come into possession of the video?   Was it leaked to you by the authorities, or other people? 

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
2.2.15  Thrawn 31  replied to  XDm9mm @2.2    3 weeks ago

Agreed. Who had the video and hid it? If that is the case.

But if the guy had this video and just never brought it forward... well then he should be looked at as a suspect as well. 

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
2.2.16  sandy-2021492  replied to  XDm9mm @2.2.14    3 weeks ago

I believe he declined to say.

TBH, I now wonder if he should be concerned for his own safety.  I imagine there are a lot of folks pissed off at him for making it public.

 
 
 
Transyferous Rex
2.3  Transyferous Rex  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2    3 weeks ago

No kidding! I've been hearing about this, but haven't really looked at anything on it. One of the linked articles claims that a neighbor jumped into the truck with them. Can't see more than two people in the video. Maybe the neighbor is the person videoing from behind. Seems to me, the guy shooting the video clearly was in on it, or perhaps he had the wherewithal to start videoing once he figured out what was going on. 

Regardless, I'm at a loss. Let's say the bastards did actually believe he was a burglar. WTF justifies going after the guy? Dammit this pisses me off. I'll even give them the benefit of the doubt, ignore the video evidence and assume the guy was running down the road, carrying stolen property, they witnessed him stealing. WTF justifies your actions? Nothing. I can't buy that this is anything short of murder. 

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
2.3.1  sandy-2021492  replied to  Transyferous Rex @2.3    3 weeks ago
Maybe the neighbor is the person videoing from behind.

This is what I've read.  If true, he may be charged as an accessory to murder.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
2.3.2  seeder  1stwarrior  replied to  sandy-2021492 @2.3.1    3 weeks ago

Well, he "intentionally" ran back to his house to grab his weapon of choice before willingly going with them to "head off" their intended target.

Pure cold blooded murder on all three partners - intent - choice of site - fully loaded with weaponry - and were not in the mood for discussion.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
2.3.3  sandy-2021492  replied to  1stwarrior @2.3.2    3 weeks ago

I actually saw someone on Facebook try to convince everyone that Arbery, on foot, was chasing the armed guys in the truck.

You're right.  It was cold-blooded murder.  To me, the only question is, how many people tried to avoid bringing them to justice, and what will be done about that?

Unfortunately, with the existence of people like the victim-blaming idiot on Facebook, I have a feeling that very little will be done.  The chickenshit DA and police chief will keep their jobs, and we'll see a case like this every few years or so.

 
 
 
Transyferous Rex
2.3.4  Transyferous Rex  replied to  sandy-2021492 @2.3.1    3 weeks ago

If the person isn't in on this, the video might be an example of the sad state we are in. That assumes a few things though. 1) witness saw the men try and stop him earlier, 2) thought enough about the encounter to grab his phone...to video, 3) but not to call the cops. 

Several assumptions, but one wonders. Also assumed is that we are seeing the start of the video. 

 
 
 
1stwarrior
2.3.5  seeder  1stwarrior  replied to  Transyferous Rex @2.3.4    3 weeks ago

Agreed - what does the rest of the video have on it??

 
 
 
Transyferous Rex
2.3.6  Transyferous Rex  replied to  1stwarrior @2.3.5    3 weeks ago

Who knows? From my perspective, the bit we do see is enough to hang a murder charge on, regardless of what went on prior thereto. Don't have the authority to chase and shoot criminals. Don't have any justification to speed ahead, block someone's path, and shoot them dead, even if they did previously assault you. Damn sure don't have any justification for shooting a guy simply running down the road.

I've seen some talk about an alleged criminal history of the victim. Let's assume those rumors are true. Murder.  

 
 
 
1stwarrior
2.3.7  seeder  1stwarrior  replied to  Transyferous Rex @2.3.6    3 weeks ago

"Alleged" criminal history of the victim?  Such as?

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
2.3.8  sandy-2021492  replied to  1stwarrior @2.3.7    3 weeks ago

The killers' defense attorney has brought up prior convictions and a history of mental illness on the part of Arbery.  I haven't been able to find out what those convictions were for.

It shouldn't matter, in a fair world.  He was obviously not the aggressor here, and they obviously were.  But it's what defense attorneys do - find ways to blame the victim to save their clients.

 
 
 
katrix
2.3.9  katrix  replied to  sandy-2021492 @2.3.3    3 weeks ago

They should be arrested for accessory after the fact. 

 
 
 
Transyferous Rex
2.3.10  Transyferous Rex  replied to  1stwarrior @2.3.7    3 weeks ago

Sandy shared a link, above, that has a link to the DA's letter to the Sheriff's Office. The DA makes reference to some criminal history and metal health issues. Nothing descriptive though. 

The DA goes through a brief analysis of the video, to support his immediate thoughts concerning an arrest. In this, he points to Abery's act of turning 90*, after passing the truck, and grabbing the gun, as potential evidence of self-defense on the part of McMichael, as well as some other issues related to lawful carry, citizens arrest, etc. I think his reasons are shaky, to start with the legality of the attempted citizens arrest, but I can't say that I disagree with his recusal and leaving the decision to arrest to the prosecutor next in line.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
2.3.11  Trout Giggles  replied to  Transyferous Rex @2.3.10    3 weeks ago

I guess nobody considered the fact that maybe Mr. Arbery grabbed the gun to defend himself? I don't think anybody wants to be shot

 
 
 
1stwarrior
2.3.12  seeder  1stwarrior  replied to  Transyferous Rex @2.3.10    3 weeks ago

OK - gonna do a bit of supposition here - I used to jog 5 miles a day, 5 days a week and 3 miles the other two days.

The golden rule for all joggers, at the time, is/was always run FACING the traffic 'cause you can/could anticipate any upcoming issues.  So, here is Arbery, doing his daily run, and, as is CLEARLY shown in the beginning of the video, is running FACING the traffic.  As you go around the bend/curve, up ahead, you see a truck pulled over to the side of the road, on the RIGHT side and you are running on the LEFT side - as a good jogger would do.

Something/someone made Arbery switch sides of the road, to the right side, before he reaches the truck (and, here the video starts its universe twirl completely off the subject). And, the next thing the video shows is Arbery pushing someone, who clearly has a weapon in his hands, from the front of the pick-up and, during the scuffle, the weapon is discharged twice, Rambo in the bed of the pick-up yanks out his .357 and jumps into the fray - with no one seeing the end of the video.

So - he didn't "comply with simple commands", such as "Hey Boy, com'ere a second - I wanna ast ewe some qurstions" - and as he turned to the back of the truck and was walking to the front, right hand side, Jr. pops out with his weapon.  Arbery jumps into a defensive mode, tries to take the weapon and, in turn, is shot twice by Jr.  Did Rambo get in any shots?  We don't know - the video doesn't show.

IMHO, this was planned - premeditated - by friggin' former/present LAW ENFORCEMENT people, and they rightly deserve Capital Punishment.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
2.3.13  sandy-2021492  replied to  1stwarrior @2.3.12    3 weeks ago
IMHO, this was planned - premeditated - by friggin' former/present LAW ENFORCEMENT people,

I'd be very interested to know if this was just the end of a pattern of behavior.

I'm gonna do another bit of supposition here, and speculate that both of them have a history of unsavory interactions with people whose skin is darker than a paper bag.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
2.3.14  Thrawn 31  replied to  sandy-2021492 @2.3.13    2 weeks ago

I think you are right. 

 
 
 
Transyferous Rex
2.3.15  Transyferous Rex  replied to  1stwarrior @2.3.12    2 weeks ago
And, the next thing the video shows is Arbery pushing someone, who clearly has a weapon in his hands, from the front of the pick-up and, during the scuffle, the weapon is discharged twice

The DA that recused himself was waiting on the forensics to come back because of this. (at least, that's what he says) I can see where he is coming from on that issue. Who actually pulled the trigger, etc?

As for the ability to effect an arrest? I'm not on the same page as he is. The vigilantes could have lawfully arrested an offender if: 1) the offense was committed in their presence or 2) within their immediate knowledge. They could arrest an escaping offender if the crime was a felony. 

First: I've yet to hear that they witnessed any crime being committed, so 1 is out.

Second, the news reports, apparently based on the police reports, claim that the McMichaels immediately thought Arbery was a dude that had recently been targeting the neighborhood for burglary. Thus, 2 is out.  What is immediate knowledge?  "We think that the words, "in his presence, "  and the words "within his immediate knowledge, " are synonymous. To justify the arrest without warrant, the officer need not see the act which constitutes the crime take place, if by any of his senses he has personal knowledge of its commission. Thus, if he hears shooting or other noises, and runs immediately to the place and finds the offender with evidences of the alleged crime on him, or finds the offender running away as if in apparent flight from the crime, and in similar cases, the crime is considered as having been committed in the officer's presence or immediate knowledge. Lynn v. State. Georgia case.

Meaning, the crime just happened, the person making the arrest has personal knowledge of its commission, and the offender had evidence of the crime on him. Or, the person was "in apparent flight from the crime" that just happened. There has to be some immediacy. "I thought the guy may have been the guy that robbed old man Higgins last week" doesn't get you there. If that is where you are, then you call the authorities. 

Now back to the self-defense. I don't think they had any lawful authority to arrest Arbery. If that is the case, then is Arbery not justified in engaging a person who is threatening the use of deadly force upon him?

 
 
 
JaneDoe
2.4  JaneDoe  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2    3 weeks ago

100% agree. He was filming before he even came upon the scene. I feel he absolutely knew what was about to go down.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
3  XDm9mm    3 weeks ago

Lowlife scumbag thugs come in both sexes and all colors.  These two help to prove that.

Put them on trial and if* convicted, put them down like rabid dogs.  They don't deserve any more than that.

*I indicated "if" since until actually tried and convicted, they are only alleged to have committed the crime in the eyes of the law.  It's that old 'presumption of innocence until proved guilty' thing.   YES, I saw the video and do 100% believe it was cold blooded murder but my opinion is immaterial.  It's the decision of the court that matters.  Unfortunately, I've been disappointed before, but hopefully will not this time.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
3.1  Thrawn 31  replied to  XDm9mm @3    3 weeks ago

If only executions were as cheap as a bullet. 

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
4  sandy-2021492    3 weeks ago

Should have happened months ago.  Dereliction of duty by the DA and police.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
5  Trout Giggles    3 weeks ago

Does Georgia still have the death penalty?

IMO, this is a modern day lynching

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
5.1  sandy-2021492  replied to  Trout Giggles @5    3 weeks ago

I think they do.  Absolutely, it was a lynching.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
5.2  seeder  1stwarrior  replied to  Trout Giggles @5    3 weeks ago

Capital punishment is a legal penalty in the U.S. state of GeorgiaGeorgia reintroduced the death penalty in 1973 after Furman v. Georgia ruled all states' death penalty statutes unconstitutional. ... As of January 30, 2020, 76 people in total have been executed since 1983.

Yup - think they should get full benefit of the reintroduction of the law.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
5.2.1  Thrawn 31  replied to  1stwarrior @5.2    3 weeks ago

Bullet to the brain. There is no question in this case. 

 
 
 
The People's Fish, Still "Hand Of The Queen"
6  The People's Fish, Still "Hand Of The Queen"    3 weeks ago

I don't think we could see a better example of a man murdered based on the color of his skin and i am confident a jury will agree.

The real outrage is that law enforcement didn't immediately arrest these monsters. Those beurocrats involved in delaying justice should be charged and held accountable. I smell corruption supporting hate. This is not who we are and we should not tolerate such representation in law enforcement or our justice system.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
6.1  Thrawn 31  replied to  The People's Fish, Still "Hand Of The Queen" @6    3 weeks ago

This was PURELY race based. There really is no question. They saw a black guy and decided they wanted to kill him, because he is black. 

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
7  Thrawn 31    3 weeks ago
while the McMichaels claimed that they thought he was a burglar.

I am curious as to exactly how they came to this conclusion. Did he have a TV strapped to his back as he was running? Was he holding or carrying anything? None of the articles I have seen have suggested any such thing.

Was he sprinting or running at a sustained pace? I mean for fucks sake, any idiot (even a white man in Georgia, low bar I know) can tell the difference. 

How, in any way shape or form, could some dip shit think this guy was running from a crime scene? I saw a black dude running down the road this morning, you know what I didn't do? I didn't think "fuck he clearly just robbed a house!" and run him over. I actually just thought "good for you, I need to do more of that...asshole".

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
7.1  Thrawn 31  replied to  Thrawn 31 @7    3 weeks ago

Additionally I would like to ask these two, if I (a middle aged white male) had been logging alongside him, would they have shot? I like this question because there is no answer that doesn't make them sound like the total assholes that they are. 

 
 
 
1stwarrior
7.1.1  seeder  1stwarrior  replied to  Thrawn 31 @7.1    3 weeks ago

Good point.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
7.1.2  Thrawn 31  replied to  1stwarrior @7.1.1    2 weeks ago

At a certain point, the stupid is so severe that even we can agree. 

 
 
 
1stwarrior
7.1.3  seeder  1stwarrior  replied to  Thrawn 31 @7.1.2    2 weeks ago

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Semper Fi guy.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
7.1.4  Thrawn 31  replied to  1stwarrior @7.1.1    2 weeks ago

And it is sad to say that it is a good point. In 2020 if a white person had been next to this poor son of a bitch, would he still have been shot?

That question right there reveals everything IMO.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
7.1.5  Thrawn 31  replied to  1stwarrior @7.1.3    2 weeks ago

You too, ooorah!!

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
8  sandy-2021492    3 weeks ago

There is a Facebook group with just shy of 70,000 members who are advocating for the murderers.  Apparently, Arbery should have "complied with simple commands".  The McMichaels are "God-fearing men who were only trying to protect their neighborhood."

 
 
 
JaneDoe
8.1  JaneDoe  replied to  sandy-2021492 @8    3 weeks ago

70,000 idiots and counting.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
8.2  Thrawn 31  replied to  sandy-2021492 @8    2 weeks ago

70,000 reasons why I am convinced that our species doesn't deserve to leave this planet. 

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
8.2.1  sandy-2021492  replied to  Thrawn 31 @8.2    2 weeks ago

There do seem to be an inordinate number of assholes among us.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
8.2.2  Thrawn 31  replied to  sandy-2021492 @8.2.1    2 weeks ago

Not even assholes, just really, REALLY stupid people. Modern medicine has been a godsend to be sure, but part of me thinks our species might be better off without it in that the real dummies wouldn't be able to reproduce. 

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
8.2.3  sandy-2021492  replied to  Thrawn 31 @8.2.2    2 weeks ago

But we wouldn't have had Stephen Hawkings, either.

There are 11,000 more members in that group since I posted my comment.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
8.2.4  Thrawn 31  replied to  sandy-2021492 @8.2.3    2 weeks ago

You are right of course, hence why I am so conflicted. 

And 11,000 more reasons I hate our species. 

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
8.2.5  sandy-2021492  replied to  Thrawn 31 @8.2.4    2 weeks ago

You're right.  They are stupid.  The group used to be named Christians Against Google, and some of the comments were public.  One I was able to see talked about their endeavour to take down Google because "Google doesn't have the answers; God does."

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Dismayed Patriot
8.2.6  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  sandy-2021492 @8.2.1    2 weeks ago
There do seem to be an inordinate number of assholes among us.

As they say "If you see one cockroach, then there are a thousand more under the stove". Those 70,000 are just the tip of the right wing white supremacist iceberg.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
8.2.7  Thrawn 31  replied to  sandy-2021492 @8.2.5    2 weeks ago

Am I a bad person for hoping that we run into a dinosaur sized asteroid?

 
 
 
Gazoo
8.2.8  Gazoo  replied to  Thrawn 31 @8.2.7    2 weeks ago

Yeah.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
8.2.9  Thrawn 31  replied to  Gazoo @8.2.8    2 weeks ago

Lol, i appreciate the honesty 

 
 
 
Gazoo
8.2.10  Gazoo  replied to  Thrawn 31 @8.2.9    2 weeks ago

Ok, i don’t know you well enough to say you’re a bad person, but hoping that every human on the planet suffers, or worse, dies, is not a good thing.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
8.2.11  Thrawn 31  replied to  Gazoo @8.2.10    2 weeks ago

But is our species continuing on or spreading amongst the stars a good thing?

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
8.2.12  sandy-2021492  replied to  Thrawn 31 @8.2.11    2 weeks ago

We're due for a The Day the Earth Stood Still type moment.

 
 
 
Freefaller
8.2.13  Freefaller  replied to  Thrawn 31 @8.2.7    2 weeks ago
Am I a bad person for hoping that we run into a dinosaur sized asteroid?

Lol maybe just a little but a dinosaur sized asteroid wouldn't do any serious harm to the planet

 
 
 
Gazoo
8.2.14  Gazoo  replied to  Thrawn 31 @8.2.11    2 weeks ago

A good thing for who? Or what? As a member of our species i’d say it’s a good thing we carry on. 

Is it a good thing for the planet! Nope.

But hey, our individual time here is short so enjoy it as much as we can.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
8.2.15  Thrawn 31  replied to  Gazoo @8.2.14    2 weeks ago
A good thing for who? Or what?

The ultimate question lol. 

 
 
 
lady in black
11  lady in black    3 weeks ago

First, these guys should NEVER see the light of day.

Second, there is a FB called Justice for Gregory and Travis McMichael (which originally was Christians against Google, they changed the name). It is a group page so unless you join you can't see what's posted but this is their description:

These 2 God fearing men were only trying to protect their neighborhood. This area has had a string of break-ins and this man fit the description and did not comply with simple commands. Our hearts go out to the McMichael family in their time of need. Amen
 
 
 
Thrawn 31
11.1  Thrawn 31  replied to  lady in black @11    2 weeks ago
Our hearts go out to the McMichael family in their time of need. Amen

And a heartfelt "FUCK YOU" to the family of the person they murdered. 

 
 
 
Freefaller
11.2  Freefaller  replied to  lady in black @11    2 weeks ago
This area has had a string of break-ins

According to another article I read this information is from the McMichaels statement.  However the police have stated there had only been one break in reported in that area and that was when something was taken from one of the McMichaels vehicles.

 
 
 
lady in black
11.2.1  lady in black  replied to  Freefaller @11.2    2 weeks ago

I read the same article.  

 
 
 
pat wilson
12  pat wilson    3 weeks ago

One more activity that's not safe to do if you're black...jogging.

 
 
 
MUVA
13  MUVA    3 weeks ago

I’m black and bike while counseled carrying can’t jog bad knees.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
13.1  Thrawn 31  replied to  MUVA @13    2 weeks ago

Lucky these two god fearing Americans didn't see you. 

 
 
 
MUVA
13.1.1  MUVA  replied to  Thrawn 31 @13.1    2 weeks ago

They would have never made it out of the truck.I live in a area where it isn't unusual to see black people running ,biking or living in upscale  neighborhoods.

 
 
 
GregTx
14  GregTx    2 weeks ago

Wouldn't be surprised at all if the "neighborhood watch" were day drinking in the garage when they noticed the "suspect". I would hope that if there is anything positive that comes from this pandemic it's that............

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
14.1  Thrawn 31  replied to  GregTx @14    2 weeks ago

Don't know, pretty sure they just saw a nigger and decided murder would be fun. 

 
 
 
1stwarrior
14.1.1  seeder  1stwarrior  replied to  Thrawn 31 @14.1    2 weeks ago

That might be the language they use, but let's not, OK?

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
14.1.2  Thrawn 31  replied to  1stwarrior @14.1.1    2 weeks ago

You know the context in which I am using the word. I would never use it outside of said (or academic) context. 

And damn 1stwarrioir, getting a little bit of a liberal streak in you?!

 
 
 
1stwarrior
14.1.3  seeder  1stwarrior  replied to  Thrawn 31 @14.1.2    2 weeks ago

Nah - just my Indian side parsing words :-)

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
14.1.4  Thrawn 31  replied to  1stwarrior @14.1.3    2 weeks ago

Haha, carry on marine, carry on.

 
 
 
Freefaller
15  Freefaller    2 weeks ago

Father and son arrested and charged with murder in death of Ahmaud Arbery

Been watching this story for a couple or three weeks and all I can say is it's about damn time.

 
 
 
CB
16  CB     2 weeks ago

All I will say is, 25 years old. Three quarters of a lifetime of possibilities, all scrubbed and snuffed out, because of at best men with guns and a misunderstanding. I'm out of this one. It's just too much.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
17  seeder  1stwarrior    2 weeks ago
 
 
 
1stwarrior
17.1  seeder  1stwarrior  replied to  1stwarrior @17    2 weeks ago

On Wednesday,  cellphone video  showing Gregory McMichael, 64, and his son Travis McMichael, 34, confront Arbery was released. It shows the final moments of Arbery's life while he was jogging through the Brunswick neighborhood in February. Travis shot Arbery with a shotgun twice, and the 25-year-old collapsed, and died.

"I can tell you that there's more than sufficient probable cause in this case for felony murder ," Reynolds said Friday. 

The director would not speak to police investigator's work prior to GBI's involvement, but said "in a perfect world" the bureau would have been asked to become involved in February.

In Georgia, the penalty for a felony murder conviction is either life in prison with or without parole or the death penalty.

 
 
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