Ex-Antifa member slams Nadler for calling far-left group 'imaginary': 'That's just false'

  

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Via:  kdmichigan  •  2 weeks ago  •  120 comments

By:   Victor Garcia (Fox News)

Ex-Antifa member slams Nadler for calling far-left group 'imaginary': 'That's just false'
Gabriel Nadales, a former member of Antifa, responded on "The Ingraham Angle" Friday to House Judiciary Committee chairman Jerrold Nadler, D-N.Y., calling the group "imaginary" earlier this week.

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Former Antifa member responds to Rep. Jerry Nadler's claim that radical group is 'imaginary'


Gabriel Nadales, former Antifa member, responds on 'The Ingraham Angle.'

Gabriel Nadales, a former member of Antifa, responded on "The Ingraham Angle" Friday to House Judiciary Committee chairman Jerrold Nadler, D-N.Y., calling the group "imaginary" earlier this week.

"That's just false," Nadales said of Nadler's claim. "I mean, the only thing that's imaginary here is Representative Nadler's sense of justice. I mean, the protests I attended ... weren't imaginary. Also, the windows that I regrettably broke, they weren't imaginary.

"Yet every single time that we have left-wing politicians ... that deny and ignore and even justify Antifa violence, it's only going to continue to grow."

Nadler made the claim Thursday during a debate in the House on Democrats' proposed police reform legislation.

"They couldn't utter the phrase 'black lives matter' and could barely [broach] the subject of police reform," Nadler said of House Republicans. "Instead, their amendments ... were errant nonsense, off-topic, dealing with imaginary things like Antifa and completely negating the entire purpose of the bill."

Nadales told "Ingraham Angle" host Tammy Bruce he was "indoctrinated" before he joined Antifa by Spanish-language media and his teachers to believe "America was my enemy, not because America rejected me, but because I kept being told that I was a victim."

"Thankfully, I started asking questions about this movement. And then, really I ... got the information that I needed and I realized that being part of it was something that I should've never been part of," Nadales said. "And now I'm glad that I'm condemning it. But one thing to remember is, where is Antifa really coming from? Because Mr. Nadler thinks that it's imaginary. Well, it's coming, oftentimes, from college campuses."

Nadler's comment on the House floor Thursday drew an angry response from Rep. Jim Jordan, R-Ohio, the Judiciary Committee's top Republican.

"They're not imaginary, they're real ..." Jordan said. "To have the chair of the Judiciary Committee, on the House floor, say ... these words ... 'imaginary things like Antifa.' They are far from imaginary. And there are people in every major city in this country who know that and yet the chair of the Judiciary Committee just made that statement. That is scary."

Fox News' Nick Givas contributed to this report.


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KDMichigan
1  seeder  KDMichigan    2 weeks ago

Nadler joins the list of left wing cucks and apologist that claim ANTIFA doesn't exist, Hillaryious.

You go ANTIFA. Burn them liberal shitholes down.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
1.1  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  KDMichigan @1    2 weeks ago
claim ANTIFA doesn't exist

ANTIFA is just an acronym for a loosely associated group of anarchists and unaffiliated anti-fascists who appear to like punching Nazi's and occasionally vandalizing property.

They are not a political party or even a measurable movement. They are not affiliated with any political party except in the minds of partisan morons and the fascists they're punching in the face.

Anti-fascists exist as do anti-communists, but "ANTIFA" does not exist as any actual discernable group with verified members, just self-anointed anti-fascists who claim to be "chapter" Presidents like some loosely affiliated gang.

I do not condone ANTIFA, they should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law for any crimes they commit, and thankfully they have not killed anyone. They cannot, however, be put in the same classification as right wing extremists that murder dozens and dozens of Americans annually and are obviously the far more deadly domestic terror threat.

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.1.1  Tessylo  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @1.1    2 weeks ago
"claim ANTIFA doesn't exist"

"ANTIFA is just an acronym for a loosely associated group of anarchists and unaffiliated anti-fascists who appear to like punching Nazi's and occasionally vandalizing property.

They are not a political party or even a measurable movement. They are not affiliated with any political party except in the minds of partisan morons and the fascists they're punching in the face.

Anti-fascists exist as do anti-communists, but "ANTIFA" does not exist as any actual discernable group with verified members, just self-anointed anti-fascists who claim to be "chapter" Presidents like some loosely affiliated gang.

I do not condone ANTIFA, they should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law for any crimes they commit, and thankfully they have not killed anyone. They cannot, however, be put in the same classification as right wing extremists that murder dozens and dozens of Americans annually and are obviously the far more deadly domestic terror threat.

Agree 100% DP

What would some do without Anti-Fa as their scapegoat?

 
 
 
Greg Jones
1.1.2  Greg Jones  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @1.1    2 weeks ago
I do not condone ANTIFA, they should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law for any crimes they commit, and thankfully they have not killed anyone. They cannot, however, be put in the same classification as right wing extremists that murder dozens and dozens of Americans annually and are obviously the far more deadly domestic terror threat.

Can you be sure they haven't killed anyone...how do you know for sure. And do you have anything to support your claim about so called right wing extremists?

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
1.1.3  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Greg Jones @1.1.2    2 weeks ago
Can you be sure they haven't killed anyone...how do you know for sure.

First, one would have to provide evidence that ANTIFA has any actual members, not just the loosely associated anarchist groups that come out with masks to punch Nazi's and fascists. If that was proved and there was any evidence of an ANTIFA member killing anyone it would be plastered all over the news and repeated by this dumb fuck President hourly. So that's how I know for sure that so far, the opportunistic anarchists haven't killed anyone. Apparently someone got stabbed by a supposed member, but then anyone anywhere who wants to claim association with name ANTIFA just claim membership without having to actual become a member of any group.

And do you have anything to support your claim about so called right wing extremists?

Yes, and have posted it many times so it's shocking you're not aware of all the right wing violence in this country. Perhaps the right wing news you watch avoids discussing it because it hits too close to home for many of their right wing loyalists.

" Right-wing extremists were linked to at least 50 extremist-related murders in the United States in 2018 , making them responsible for more deaths than in any year since 1995"

https://www.adl.org/news/press-releases/right-wing-extremism-linked-to-every-2018-extremist-murder-in-the-us-adl-finds

https://www.businessinsider.com/extremist-killings-links-right-wing-extremism-report-2019-1

" Domestic right-wing terrorist groups often adhere to the principles of racial supremacy and embrace antigovernment, antiregulatory beliefs. Generally, extremist right-wing groups engage in activity that is protected by constitutional guarantees of free speech and assembly."

" On the national level, formal right-wing hate groups, such as the National Alliance, the World Church of the Creator (WCOTC) and the Aryan Nations, represent a continuing terrorist threat"

" Right-wing groups continue to represent a serious terrorist threat. Two of the seven planned acts of terrorism prevented in 1999 were potentially large-scale, high-casualty attacks being planned by organized right-wing extremist groups."

https://archives.fbi.gov/archives/news/testimony/the-terrorist-threat-confronting-the-united-states

https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2019-08-10/fbi-struggles-to-confront-domestic-terrorism-by-right-wing-groups

" Since 9/11, white supremacists and other far-right extremists have been responsible for almost three times as many attacks on U.S. soil as Islamic terrorists , the government reported. From 2009 through 2018, the far right has been responsible for 73% of domestic extremist-related fatalities"

https://time.com/5647304/white-nationalist-terrorism-united-states/

It really does amaze me when we have SO much evidence of right wing terror and fucking Nazi's marching in our streets chanting "Jews will not replace us!" and yet still, sniveling right wing apologists come out to defend and deflect while attacking left wing groups that have no such blood on their hands.

If anyone is still in denial about the threat of right wing extremists, perhaps one should ask themselves why they doubt the mountains of evidence. Is it perhaps because they have a soft spot for bigots and white supremacists? Do they find them less threatening because the right wing extremists are usually only killing minorities and not folk who look and talk like others on the right? Do they dismiss the violence as unimportant because it likely didn't happen against a white Christian? I don't see any other reasons why those on the right continue to deflect any responsibility from right wing extremists who are just taking their ideology one step further than complicity.

 
 
 
Texan1211
1.1.4  Texan1211  replied to  Greg Jones @1.1.2    2 weeks ago

You simply can't argue with people who won't even acknowledge the existence of Antifa.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
1.1.5  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.4    one week ago
You simply can't argue with people who won't even acknowledge the existence of Antifa.

" Antifa ( / æ n ˈ t f ə , ˈ æ n t i ˌ f ɑː / ) is an anti-fascist political movement in the United States comprising a diverse array of autonomous groups that aim to achieve their objectives through the use of both non-violent and violent direct action rather than through policy reform".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifa_(United_States )

"ANTIFA" is a "movement". How exactly do you hold a "movement" accountable? How do you hold dozens of autonomous groups responsible for what some random person in a mask does at a protest? Arrest those using violence or vandalism, hold the individuals who do such things responsible. That is all you can do when there is no head of the snake to chop off. That's all anyone is saying when they question the actual existence of "ANTIFA" when framed the way right wing media proclaims it to be, as if it's some cohesive left wing group they can parade around in effigy to stir up their scared shitless fearful base. Rational persons don't see it as an actual solid entity that can be held accountable for anything and is only used by the right wing as a scapegoat to pin all their faux outrage on. What they're really scared of is losing their white Christian majority so they look for anything they can use as a cudgel to beat the left over the head with, even though ANTIFA has no affiliation or association with Democrats or any other left leaning political groups, campaigns or BLM. But facts don't matter to rabid right wing extremists who push that kind of bullshit narrative.

 
 
 
KDMichigan
1.1.6  seeder  KDMichigan  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @1.1.5    one week ago

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Dismayed Patriot
1.1.7  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  KDMichigan @1.1.6    one week ago
Do you even know how wiki works? nevermind.

Of course, but anyone who rejects its claims without a single bit of contrary evidence is the one who should be laughed at. Please try and dispute a single thing in the statement I quoted from wiki.

Oh, and by the way, that meme you always use when you've got nothing is getting old.

 
 
 
Texan1211
1.1.8  Texan1211  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @1.1.5    one week ago

It has been proven that Antifa is not imaginary.

Whether you accept it or not is of no consequence to me.,

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
1.1.9  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.8    one week ago
It has been proven that Antifa is not imaginary.

Did I ever say it was "imaginary"? No. As a "movement" it does exist, it's just not some entity or LLC run by specific persons that can be held accountable. How is this so fucking hard for those on the right to understand?

 
 
 
Texan1211
1.1.10  Texan1211  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @1.1.9    one week ago

How hard is it for those on the left to accept the fact that Nadler said Antifa was imaginary?

 
 
 
gooseisgone
1.1.11  gooseisgone  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @1.1.9    one week ago
it's just not some entity or LLC run by specific persons

Really....so all the right wing extremists groups you crow about file with the Secretary of State and get a FEIN.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
1.2  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  KDMichigan @1    2 weeks ago

Yep, Jerry "No Nads" Nadler engaging in the two things he excels most at, being totally clueless and totally useless!

 
 
 
Release The Kraken
2  Release The Kraken    2 weeks ago

You have to get your facts straight, bombing, burning federal buildings, torching businesses and assaulting cops is not violence in the Marxist Utopia of Comradistan!

 
 
 
Tacos!
2.1  Tacos!  replied to  Release The Kraken @2    2 weeks ago

And yet somehow, speech is violence. Figure that one out.

 
 
 
Release The Kraken
2.1.1  Release The Kraken  replied to  Tacos! @2.1    2 weeks ago

All I can figure out is we have a Mental Health crisis and the loons want to run the asylum.

 
 
 
Sparty On
2.1.2  Sparty On  replied to  Tacos! @2.1    2 weeks ago

Orwell was a genius or he had a very, very accurate crystal ball ..... accurate indeed!

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
3  Sean Treacy    2 weeks ago

Does Nadler live on this planet? 

 
 
 
Drakkonis
4  Drakkonis    2 weeks ago

Well, of course Nadler is going to say this. He can't very well have congress address Antifa because he needs them. They are doing what he wants them to do. If he pretends they don't exist, he doesn't have to address it in congress. What will be interesting to see is, if the Dems get the trifecta (shudder!), what antifa's role will be going forward. Will they suddenly become the Dem's enemy or will they continue to use them to bring us closer to socialism? You know, brown shirts? Morality police? Something along those lines? 

 
 
 
Release The Kraken
5  Release The Kraken    2 weeks ago

I love watching the forum comrades pretend like nothing is going on in these cities. The Independents are watching!  LOL

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
5.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  Release The Kraken @5    2 weeks ago

Well, no, we have nothing to say. When we do you delete it, so why bother?

And this comment goes down the tubes in 4...3...2...2

 
 
 
KDMichigan
5.1.1  seeder  KDMichigan  replied to  Trout Giggles @5.1    2 weeks ago

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Sparty On
5.1.2  Sparty On  replied to  Trout Giggles @5.1    2 weeks ago

Nah, fish isn’t into censorship like some people here are ...... 3, 2, 1, ticket!

 
 
 
Drakkonis
5.2  Drakkonis  replied to  Release The Kraken @5    2 weeks ago

Just wanted to say, love your avatar! Best one yet!

 
 
 
Texan1211
5.3  Texan1211  replied to  Release The Kraken @5    2 weeks ago
I love watching the forum comrades pretend like nothing is going on in these cities. The Independents are watching!  LOL

The comrades appear to be closely related to Sargent Schultz!

"Nothing...I see nothing!!!"

BTW, what ever happened to all the peaceful protests?

Anybody hear anything lately?

 
 
 
Sparty On
5.3.1  Sparty On  replied to  Texan1211 @5.3    2 weeks ago

The “peaceful protestors” are being co-opted by radical fucks and they are letting it happen.    

To some degree, that is on the “peaceful protestors.”    No doubt about it.

 
 
 
cjcold
5.3.2  cjcold  replied to  Sparty On @5.3.1    one week ago

The Portland protests calmed down when the feds left.

 
 
 
Sparty On
5.3.3  Sparty On  replied to  cjcold @5.3.2    one week ago

Whoopee fuckin do ..... give it time.     Radical pricks like that can’t help being jackasses.

They’ll be back in all their worthless glory.    Bank on it.

 
 
 
Sparty On
5.3.4  Sparty On  replied to  cjcold @5.3.2    6 days ago

Well, that didn't take any time did it?

You ever get tired of being wrong

 
 
 
Sparty On
5.3.5  Sparty On  replied to  cjcold @5.3.2    2 days ago

Still not calmed down .... do you have a new "calming down" timeline yet?

 
 
 
Suz
6  Suz    2 weeks ago

Nadler has always been a little prick. 

 
 
 
dennis smith
7  dennis smith    2 weeks ago

You are giving little pricks a bad name

 
 
 
Suz
7.1  Suz  replied to  dennis smith @7    2 weeks ago

You're right and I apologize for that, Dennis.  

 
 
 
Suz
7.1.1  Suz  replied to  Suz @7.1    2 weeks ago

He's just a prick. :-)

 
 
 
Tessylo
8  Tessylo    2 weeks ago

I don't believe this guy Nadales.  Anti-fa isn't really an 'organization'.  

 
 
 
Ozzwald
8.1  Ozzwald  replied to  Tessylo @8    2 weeks ago
I don't believe this guy Nadales.  Anti-fa isn't really an 'organization'.

Now Tessylo, just because they have no membership list, leadership list, meetings, hierarchy, or news coverage prior to Charlottesville doesn't mean they don't exist. 

After all, if they didn't exist, who on the left would the right wingers be able to compare to the neo-nazis, skinheads, proud boys, white nationalists, etc?

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KDMichigan
8.1.1  seeder  KDMichigan  replied to  Ozzwald @8.1    2 weeks ago

You adding that to your service as a ANTIFA apologist? 

 
 
 
Texan1211
8.1.2  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @8.1    2 weeks ago
Now Tessylo, just because they have no membership list, leadership list, meetings, hierarchy, or news coverage prior to Charlottesville doesn't mean they don't exist.  After all, if they didn't exist, who on the left would the right wingers be able to compare to the neo-nazis, skinheads, proud boys, white nationalists, etc?

Your attempt to deflect is dismissed out of hand.

Perhaps this link may help you realize that Antifa is real.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifa_(United_States)

You might also ask Cornel Wild is Antifa is real.

Or Jesse Arreguin, former mayor of Berkeley.

Or ask Twitter.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
8.1.3  Ozzwald  replied to  Texan1211 @8.1.2    2 weeks ago
Perhaps this link may help you realize that Antifa is real.

Because it is in Wikipedia?  That's your definition of evidence that it is real????  jrSmiley_91_smiley_image.gif

You want to prove it is real?  Link me 5 news articles, citing "antifa", PRIOR  to Charlottesville.

 
 
 
Texan1211
8.1.4  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @8.1.3    2 weeks ago

Chase your own research down.

Or not.

I am not your researcher, and if you choose to believe that Antifa is imaginary, it says a lot about how you see things in the world.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
8.1.5  Ozzwald  replied to  Texan1211 @8.1.4    2 weeks ago

Chase your own research down.

Or not.

I am not your researcher, and if you choose to believe that Antifa is imaginary, it says a lot about how you see things in the world.

Couldn't find any huh?  I'll give you a clue, there exists 1 article that specifically references "antifa" prior to Charlottesville.  It didn't exist until right wingers needed to make something up to try and balance the Charlottesville neo-nazi groups with.

Your argument is also false, "antifa" NOW exists, but only as a label for right wingers to use, to try and distract from the right wing racism everyone else can plainly see.

 
 
 
Texan1211
8.1.6  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @8.1.5    2 weeks ago

Not interested in discussing this with anyone who simply believes that Antifa doesn't exist.

It would be pointless discussing reality.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
8.1.7  Sean Treacy  replied to  Ozzwald @8.1.5    2 weeks ago

clue, there exists 1 article that specifically references "antifa" prior to Charlottesville

First, that argument is nonsensical.

second, it’s completely false.

 
 
 
Texan1211
8.1.8  Texan1211  replied to  Sean Treacy @8.1.7    2 weeks ago

Pointless discussion when one doesn't think Antifa even exists.

 
 
 
Texan1211
8.1.9  Texan1211  replied to  Sean Treacy @8.1.7    2 weeks ago

Antifa has a flag and a website, and literature.

Seems pretty weird for something that simply doesn't exist in some minds.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
8.1.10  Ozzwald  replied to  Texan1211 @8.1.6    2 weeks ago
Not interested in discussing this with anyone who simply believes that Antifa doesn't exist.

Are you unable to read my comment?  It is in English, and I used relatively small words.  Let me repeat:

Your argument is also false, "antifa" NOW exists, but only as a label for right wingers to use, to try and distract from the right wing racism everyone else can plainly see.

It would be pointless discussing reality.

For you, you are correct.  But you may want to try the whole reality thing every now and then.  Those of us that stick with reality, find it illuminating.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
8.1.11  Ozzwald  replied to  Sean Treacy @8.1.7    2 weeks ago
First, that argument is nonsensical. second, it’s completely false.

Prove it!  Link the articles.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
8.1.12  Ozzwald  replied to  Texan1211 @8.1.9    2 weeks ago
Antifa has a flag

Made up by the right wing.  Disagree?  Prove it.

and a website

So does bigfoot and the Loch Ness monster.  So you are claiming they are real now?

and literature

Is Harry Potter real, since he has multiple books, websites, and a flag?

Https://www.harrypotter.com

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Texan1211
8.1.13  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @8.1.10    2 weeks ago

All I ever claimed was that Antifa exists, and Nadler was a fucking DUMBASS for saying it didn't.

Argue THAT.

 
 
 
Texan1211
8.1.14  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @8.1.12    2 weeks ago

Ignore the fact that Antifa exists.

How is the weather there in that world?

 
 
 
Ozzwald
8.1.15  Ozzwald  replied to  Texan1211 @8.1.13    2 weeks ago

All I ever claimed was that Antifa exists, and Nadler was a fucking DUMBASS for saying it didn't.

Argue THAT.

As an organization, it DOES NOT exist.

As a label, it does exist.

 
 
 
Texan1211
8.1.16  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @8.1.15    2 weeks ago

believe whatever floats your boat, dude.

I'll stick here in reality.

Have fun in La La Land.

 
 
 
KDMichigan
8.1.17  seeder  KDMichigan  replied to  Texan1211 @8.1.16    2 weeks ago

Don't even engage him, let him wallow in it. 

Anybody but a ANTIFA apologist know the facts. The RCA (Rose City ANTIFA) has been raising hell in Portland Oregon since 2007. 

But yeah the apologist like to spew shit like ANTIFA doesn't exist. I guess some people need to research more.

https://www.rosecityantifa.org/

And wow they call themselves a organization...shocker.

 
 
 
Texan1211
8.1.18  Texan1211  replied to  KDMichigan @8.1.17    one week ago

yeah, facts seem hard to come by in La La Land.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
8.1.19  Sean Treacy  replied to  Ozzwald @8.1.11    one week ago

There are literally hundreds of references to antifa in newspapers before Charlottesville.  Get a subscription to Lexis Nexis and they are there to see:

July 3, 2016 Sacramento Bee:

It was a melee between neo-Nazis, who had been given a permit for a rally on Capitol grounds, and a loosely organized group of anti-fascists, or "Anti-fa" that came armed to shut down the rally.

October 13,2016  Louisville Courier Journal:

"Louisville Antifa joins cities such as New York, Chicago and Philadelphia in providing a counter point the"

July 1, 2016  Jackson Sun

The counter protesters hailed from such leftist groups as By Any Means Necessary and Antifa Sacramento. Antifa stands for anti-fascist.

December 10, 2016  Philadelphia Enquirer:

"South Jersey Antifa described itself as a group of concerned citizens outraged"

June 29, 2016 Sacramento Bee:

"Hundreds of so called anti-fascists -self dubbed "Antifa-" descended upon Capital Park and started  a brawl"

I look forward to your retraction of this silly argument

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
8.1.20  Sean Treacy  replied to  Texan1211 @8.1.16    one week ago

Even Stalin would flinch at the sort of blatant denial of reality we see taking here. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
8.1.21  Texan1211  replied to  Sean Treacy @8.1.19    one week ago

Wait for it.....wait for it......

.FAKE NEWS!!!

Must be all from Fox!

Antifa isn't really an organization!

Antifa is made up by the right!

I think that about covers all the possible arguments.

Oh, forgot the biggest one:

BUT TRUMP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 
 
 
Ozzwald
8.1.22  Ozzwald  replied to  Texan1211 @8.1.16    one week ago
I'll stick here in reality.

Staying with a reality which you have no evidence that shows it being real?  That's not reality...

 
 
 
Ozzwald
8.1.23  Ozzwald  replied to  Texan1211 @8.1.18    one week ago
yeah, facts seem hard to come by in La La Land.

Except I'm the one asking for facts, you're the one refusing to provide any to support your claim.

 
 
 
Texan1211
8.1.24  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @8.1.23    one week ago

When someone claims that Antifa is imaginary, not much point trying to prove anything to them.

I mean, you have been shown proof already that Antifa is a real organization, so me proving it to you AGAIN and you going "Nuh, uh" isn't productive.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
8.1.25  Ozzwald  replied to  Texan1211 @8.1.24    one week ago
When someone claims that Antifa is imaginary, not much point trying to prove anything to them.

Why did you just state a lie to support your argument?  I have stated multiple times that I believe "antifa" exists, but only as a label.

I mean, you have been shown proof already that Antifa is a real organization

When, where?  You have refused to provide any proof of that.

me proving it to you AGAIN and you going "Nuh, uh" isn't productive.

Then provide the comment # where you provided this "evidence".

 
 
 
Tacos!
8.1.26  Tacos!  replied to  Ozzwald @8.1.22    one week ago
evidence that shows it being real?

How about the fact that they regularly get a bunch of like-minded people to show up at events in the name of Antifa? Seems pretty organized.  You don't need corporate headquarters and a tax return to be an organization.

 
 
 
Tessylo
8.1.27  Tessylo  replied to  Tacos! @8.1.26    one week ago

"How about the fact that they regularly get a bunch of like-minded people to show up at events in the name of Antifa? Seems pretty organized.  You don't need corporate headquarters and a tax return to be an organization."

Where and when are these 'events' happening?  

Let the twisting begin.

 
 
 
Tacos!
8.1.28  Tacos!  replied to  Tessylo @8.1.27    one week ago
Where and when are these 'events' happening? 

OK, I'm not Google or Wiki, but here are a few articles about their activities.

FBI, Homeland Security warn of more ‘antifa’ attacks

Federal authorities have been warning state and local officials since early 2016 that leftist extremists known as “antifa” had become increasingly confrontational and dangerous, so much so that the Department of Homeland Security formally classified their activities as “domestic terrorist violence,” according to interviews and confidential law enforcement documents obtained by POLITICO.

"Early 2016." That would be the Obama administration. So it's not like Trump invented them in his mind.

Portland Police Chief Says Antifa Protesters Used Slingshot to Launch Urine and Feces-Filled Balloons at Riot Cops

Black-clad antifa members attack peaceful right-wing demonstrators in Berkeley

Antifa swarms America First! rally against illegal immigration in Laguna Beach

Antifa protester gets 18 months for beating up Trump supporter

Antifa group shares link to list of 1,600 ICE employees alongside photos, locations, and job titles

Antifa group chants outside, vandalizes Fox commentator Tucker Carlson's home

 
 
 
Texan1211
8.1.29  Texan1211  replied to  Tacos! @8.1.28    one week ago

And then their defense would be "Must be the Trump Admin corrupting the FBI into planting old stories about Antifa so to deflect from Russian conspiracy, er, impeachment, er, Covid."

 
 
 
Ozzwald
8.1.30  Ozzwald  replied to  Tacos! @8.1.28    one week ago
Portland Police Chief Says Antifa Protesters Used Slingshot to Launch Urine and Feces-Filled Balloons at Riot Cops

Black-clad antifa members attack peaceful right-wing demonstrators in Berkeley

Antifa swarms America First! rally against illegal immigration in Laguna Beach

Antifa protester gets 18 months for beating up Trump supporter

Antifa group shares link to list of 1,600 ICE employees alongside photos, locations, and job titles

Antifa group chants outside, vandalizes Fox commentator Tucker Carlson's home

I said prior to Charlottesville.  Did you forget that all you articles are dated???  Do you understand that 2018 and 2019 comes AFTER 2017?

 
 
 
Ozzwald
8.1.31  Ozzwald  replied to  Tessylo @8.1.27    one week ago
Where and when are these 'events' happening?   Let the twisting begin.

Not to mention that it is only FoxNews and other right wing news sources that apply the label "antifa" to these "like minded people".  Of course, by that standard we can call all Trump supporters KKK members.

 
 
 
Tacos!
8.1.32  Tacos!  replied to  Ozzwald @8.1.31    one week ago
Not to mention that it is only FoxNews and other right wing news sources that apply the label "antifa" to these "like minded people". 

That's not true. You clearly did not read the articles I linked to if you can say this untruth and not grow a longer nose. I linked to 7 stories and not one of them was FoxNews. They included liberal sources like the Washington Post, NBC, and the Los Angeles Times.

 
 
 
Sparty On
8.1.33  Sparty On  replied to  Tacos! @8.1.32    one week ago

When it comes to Fox news .... they have Jan Bradyitis

384

 
 
 
Ozzwald
8.1.34  Ozzwald  replied to  Tacos! @8.1.32    one week ago

You clearly did not read the articles I linked to if you can say this untruth and not grow a longer nose. I linked to 7 stories and not one of them was FoxNews. They included liberal sources like the Washington Post, NBC, and the Los Angeles Times.

Nor were they prior to Charlottesville, which was the only stipulation I stated.

 
 
 
KDMichigan
8.1.35  seeder  KDMichigan  replied to  Ozzwald @8.1.34    one week ago
Nor were they prior to Charlottesville, which was the only stipulation I stated.

Which I already proved your statement was bullshit. I linked a ANTIFA webpage but of course you chose to ignore it, you wouldn't want to be proved wrong on your ANTIFA apologist talking points now would you.

Rose City Antifa (RCA) was founded in Portland, Oregon in October of 2007. https://www.rosecityantifa.org/

So let me guess, in liberal math 2007 is after 2016 right?

 
 
 
Texan1211
8.1.36  Texan1211  replied to  KDMichigan @8.1.35    one week ago

They continue to ignore any facts that don't jibe with the pablum they are being spoon fed.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
8.1.37  Ozzwald  replied to  KDMichigan @8.1.35    one week ago
Which I already proved your statement was bullshit.

You proved nothing, and have attempted to prove nothing, your claim is empty.  You have yet to even address my statement with any facts.

 
 
 
Texan1211
8.1.38  Texan1211  replied to  KDMichigan @8.1.35    one week ago
Rose City Antifa(RCA) was founded in Portland, Oregon in October of 2007. https://www.rosecityantifa.org/
So let me guess, in liberal math 2007 is after 2016 right?

Well, despite all the evidence to the contrary, someone here remains convinced that there is no Antifa organization, and that no one ever heard of them before 2017.

How can you argue against someone deadset against introducing facts to the debate?

 
 
 
Tacos!
8.1.39  Tacos!  replied to  Ozzwald @8.1.34    one week ago
prior to Charlottesville

Wow you just cannot stop this fib, huh? I will post it again:

Federal authorities have been warning state and local officials since early 2016 that leftist extremists known as “antifa” had become increasingly confrontational and dangerous, so much so that the Department of Homeland Security formally classified their activities as “domestic terrorist violence,” according to interviews and confidential law enforcement documents obtained by POLITICO.
 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
8.1.40  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Texan1211 @8.1.38    one week ago
someone here remains convinced that there is no Antifa organization

If they are an organization, where is their headquarters? Who is their leader? Who is organizing them? I've seen numerous different leaders of anarchists groups proclaiming they are anti-fascists and some even claim to speak for the movement, yet few of the other autonomous groups follow their lead if ever, they are all doing their own thing, making their own decisions. The only thing they have in common is a basic stated goal of pushing back on fascists and fascism.

The fact is, ANTIFA is no more an organization than the Boogaloo's. They are a movement that seeks to further a specific agenda. For the Boogaloo movement, they are violent opportunists who are trying to use others fight for equality to ignite a race war that they imagine they and other right wing extremists will win and re-establish their desired "white culture". For the ANTIFA movement, they are also violent opportunists who are using protests as an opportunity to fight back at what they see as rising right wing fascism here in America. Neither are organizations, they are both autonomous "movements" that individually organize their own actions or activities towards a collective objective.

Autonomous: adjective - having the freedom to govern itself or control its own affairs.

Movement: noun - a series of organized activities working toward an objective.

ANTIFA is just the less violent, though likely larger, version of the Boogaloo's. The Boogaloo's have already taken that step into being domestic terrorists by killing police and protestors.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/boogaloo-movement-recent-violent-attacks/story?id=71295536

https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2020/06/09/three-nevada-boogaloo-bois-arrested-fbi-firebombing-plot

https://www.wistv.com/2020/06/12/man-identified-boogaloo-member-arrested-child-sex-crime-more-protest-agitators-wanted/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/06/17/boogaloo-steven-carrillo/

https://www.postandcourier.com/news/second-arrest-of-a-boogaloo-boy-suspect-made-after-violent-columbia-demonstrations/article_9e4fdf5c-a76f-11ea-8217-ef9830925b24.html

I condemn any groups or movement that uses violence to further it's agenda. I am not here to defend ANTIFA and I hope any of those autonomous group members or leaders that have either committed or incited violence and vandalism are arrested and held accountable for their crimes. I also hope those autonomous Boogaloo group members or leaders who commit crimes or incite violence are arrested and held accountable for their crimes. Based on the evidence I've seen and read, it's obvious that the Boogaloo movement is by far more violent and more likely to kill innocent Americans than ANTIFA.  But even though I want a criminal who vandalized some public property to pay for their crime, I'm far more desirous of a murderer to be caught and punished, thus I find the right wing Boogaloo's and other right wing extremists groups that are responsible for dozens and dozens of deaths each year to be held accountable for their actions and their ideology of white supremacy condemned.

In regards to ANTIFA I can only condemn their violence and vandalism, I cannot condemn their ideology of wanting to stomp out fascism. I believe there are some, perhaps even here, who feel almost the same about these two movements but in reverse, which is why they are quick to condemn everything about ANTIFA but tend to drag their feet in any condemnation or even recognition of right wing extremist groups, perhaps because in their hearts they cannot condemn the right wing ideology of supporting white nationalism and protecting some fantasy "white culture".

 
 
 
Texan1211
8.1.41  Texan1211  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @8.1.40    one week ago

Not interested in a debate with anyone who refuses to even acknowledge facts.

Find someone else.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
8.1.42  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Ozzwald @8.1.37    one week ago

384

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
8.1.43  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Texan1211 @8.1.41    one week ago
Not interested in a debate with anyone who refuses to even acknowledge facts.

I feel the same. I present facts, you present opinion, there is no point if you continue to refuse to accept facts. If you can provide any evidence of ANTIFA being an organization with a headquarters and leaders, then by all means, provide them. It is clear by your response however that you do not want to engage in this debate because the facts are not on your side. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
8.1.44  Texan1211  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @8.1.43    one week ago

No need to reply until you can accept that Antifa is real.

Until then, I have nothing to say to you and hopefully you will have nothing further to say to me.

If you join me in reality, perhaps we can continue.

Adios.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
8.1.45  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Texan1211 @8.1.44    one week ago
No need to reply until you can accept that Antifa is real.

I already said it was a "movement" which is real, I have merely pointed out the fact that it is not an organization. I think Nadler was wrong to claim it was "imaginary" though if he meant it as in there is no such actual organization as ANTIFA then he was correct, but the way he said it left it open to interpretation which made him look foolish.

Organization: noun - an organized body of people with a particular purpose, especially a business, society, association, etc.

ANTIFA exists as a movement, plain and simple, with numerous autonomous groups using the name (no one had to authorize their permission since there is no actual ANTINA organization they have to get approval from) to push a collective anti-fascist agenda. If you can prove otherwise then please do so, but until then you're the one refusing to accept facts in this debate.

The facts are clear, only those living in a reality of their own making continue to reject the facts for their preferred warped conservative fantasy realm.

 
 
 
Texan1211
8.1.46  Texan1211  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @8.1.45    one week ago

Okay, you explain the fact that the Rose City chapter isn't organized to THEM.

Here is where you can reach them:

https://www.rosecityantifa.org/

I am quite sure they will love to hear from you on how unorganized they are.

Organization: noun - an organized body of people with a particular purpose, especially a business, society, association, etc.

Fits their own description of themselves to a tee, but of course a non-member such as yourself would surely know more about them than they themselves do, right?

Make sure to tell them how right you are.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
8.1.47  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Texan1211 @8.1.46    one week ago
you explain the fact that the Rose City chapter isn't organized to THEM.

You are making my point for me. They are not "ANTIFA", they got no approval, they simply declared themselves anti-fascists and showed up to oppose what they see as the rise of right wing fascism. They also do not approve or disapprove other groups using the name or claiming themselves anti-fascists because ANTIFA is a movement, not an organization you have to contact to become a member.

I am quite sure they will love to hear from you on how unorganized they are.

Did I ever say that each autonomous group weren't organized? There are dozens of similar groups around the country and none of them take orders from any centralized ANTIFA leadership, they manage their own affairs on their own turf and make their own decisions. Some use violence and vandalism, others simply wear black masks and shout at the Nazi's marching in our streets.

I get that it's just easier to believe that it's all just one big gang you can blame for any and all violence at protests, but they are not. I don't agree with the disparate autonomous groups methods, I do not endorse or condone these groups, but they are not part of some larger ANTIFA organization, they are a coalition of groups who are part of an anti-fascist movement.

Make sure to tell them how right you are.

They obviously know already since they aren't claiming to be ANTIFA but merely a self-proclaimed Portland affiliate of the anti-fascism movement.

 
 
 
Texan1211
8.1.48  Texan1211  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @8.1.47    one week ago

sorry, I am finished responding to you until you can accept facts

 
 
 
Sparty On
8.1.49  Sparty On  replied to  Texan1211 @8.1.48    one week ago

Wise choice.... some folks just like to argue.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
8.1.50  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Texan1211 @8.1.48    one week ago
I am finished responding to you until you can accept facts

Way to avoid ever having to present any facts, just run from the debate claiming you won. I accepted facts from the very start and presented many, you presented none, just your opinion that ANTIFA is an organization. The facts prove you wrong, and because you can't support your premise and cannot prove ANTIFA has a headquarters or centralized leadership you use a childish cop-out to claim victory.

Organization: noun - an administrative and functional structure (such as a business or a political party)

The ANTIFA movement does not meet that definition. They are not an organization. They would meet the definition of at best a coalition.

Coalition: noun - an alliance for combined action, especially a temporary alliance of political parties forming a government or of states.

Even the dictionary agrees.

ANTIFA: noun - an anti-fascist movement . https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/antifa

ANTIFA: noun - Antifa  is a left-wing political movement , made up of various  autonomous  groups, that opposes  fascism  and other right-wing ideologies, often through  militant  protest tactics. https://www.dictionary.com/e/politics/antifa/

And you're right, there is no point to continuing a debate if one side refuses to accept facts and it's beyond clear that I have presented the facts and you've chosen to walk away because you have none to support your side of the argument.

 
 
 
Tacos!
8.1.51  Tacos!  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @8.1.50    one week ago
The ANTIFA movement does not meet that definition. They are not an organization. They would meet the definition of at best a coalition.

Kinda like Al-Qaeda then.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
8.1.52  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Tacos! @8.1.51    one week ago
Kinda like Al-Qaeda then.

Al-Qaeda: noun - a radical Sunni Muslim organization dedicated to the elimination of a Western presence in Arab countries and militantly opposed to Western foreign policy: founded by Osama bin Laden in 1988.

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/al-qaeda

" Al-Qaeda , Arabic al-Qāʿidah (“the Base”) , broad-based militant Islamist organization founded by Osama bin Laden in the late 1980s."

https://www.britannica.com/topic/al-Qaeda

Who was the founder of ANTIFA again? Where did they originate and where is their headquarters? Who is their leader?

 
 
 
Tacos!
8.1.53  Tacos!  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @8.1.52    one week ago
Who was the founder of ANTIFA again?

Why is that important?

Where did they originate and where is their headquarters?

The internet? I don't know. Why is that important?

Who is their leader?

The UN doesn't have a leader, but I wouldn't say they are not organized.

Why do you keep trying to look at details that don't matter? Why are you focusing on "organization" when the allegation was that they were "imaginary?" Can't you address the topic?

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
8.1.54  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Tacos! @8.1.53    one week ago
The UN doesn't have a leader, but I wouldn't say they are not organized.

The secretary-general of the United Nations (UNSG or just SG) is the head of the United Nations.

Leader synonyms: chief, head, principal, boss

Why is that important?

Because it's one of the defining characteristics of an organization which separates it from a general movement.

The internet? I don't know. Why is that important?

I work in insurance, and if you are going to sue someone or some organization, you have to find out who they are and where their headquartered before you can claim they caused you some financial or bodily harm. If you were to sue ANTIFA where would you go? Who do you hold responsible?

Can't you address the topic?

I did that already, though it's clear you haven't read my comments.

As I said above "I already said it was a "movement" which is real, I have merely pointed out the fact that it is not an organization. I think Nadler was wrong to claim it was "imaginary" though if he meant it as in there is no such actual organization as ANTIFA then he was correct, but the way he said it left it open to interpretation which made him look foolish."

 
 
 
Tacos!
8.1.55  Tacos!  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @8.1.54    one week ago
The secretary-general of the United Nations (UNSG or just SG) is the head of the United Nations.

Hardly. He's an appointed administrator and spokesman. His authority is limited and he is easily removed. He's not the boss of anybody.

Because it's one of the defining characteristics of an organization which separates it from a general movement.

So if there is a founder it's an organization, and if there isn't it's not an organization? Where are you getting these definitions and what does this have to do with Antifa being imaginary?

I work in insurance, and if you are going to sue someone or some organization, you have to find out who they are and where their headquartered before you can claim they caused you some financial or bodily harm. If you were to sue ANTIFA where would you go? Who do you hold responsible?

That distinction exists for a reason. If you want to some antifa person for wrongdoing, you can sue that person. Also, if you can identify anyone who helped him commit that wrondoing, you could sue them too. Businesses have people who function as agents on their behalf (usually employees), so you can sue the person or the business.

However, an individual can be part of organization and yet acting without the authority (agency) of the organization. In that case, you would just sue the individual.

None of that has to do with whether or not Antifa exists or has some level of organization and coordination. You are trying to take a gray area and make it black and white. There is identifiable coordination on the internet that clearly drives hundreds of people to demonstrate on the streets of Berkeley or Portland. You can't ignore that.

I may not be able to identify where the wind comes from but it has clear effects that show me it's real.

 
 
 
cjcold
8.1.56  cjcold  replied to  Tacos! @8.1.51    one week ago

       Kinda like Al-Qaeda then.

Actually, unlike Antifa,  Al-Qaeda has a well defined leadership infrastructure. 

Any kid with a black mask and T-shirt can join in and pretend to be antifa.

Ya gotta love the anonymity. Wish we'd have thought of that in the 60s.

Of course the problem then being false flag operations to make antifa look bad which is exactly what happened in the Minneapolis riots. The proud boys on bikes were doing the damage and looting.

 

 
 
 
Tacos!
8.1.57  Tacos!  replied to  cjcold @8.1.56    one week ago
to make antifa look bad

Are there examples of them looking good? If they're so good, why was the Obama administration warning state and local officials about them? And why would they describe their activities as “domestic terrorist violence” ?

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
8.1.58  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Tacos! @8.1.57    one week ago
Are there examples of them looking good?

Blockading Nazi's was a pretty good look for them, but I still disagree with any of them that used any violence or vandalism. Just sitting in the road and being an obstruction to marching Nazi's and confederate flag waving bigots is enough to expose the fascists and display ones personal disagreement with fascism and worthless scum bag racists.

 
 
 
Suz
8.2  Suz  replied to  Tessylo @8    2 weeks ago

On another article, I sarcastically stated Antifa would have loved Timothy Mcveigh.  Not trying to be confrontational, but I really believe that.

 
 
 
Tessylo
8.2.1  Tessylo  replied to  Suz @8.2    2 weeks ago

If you say so dear.

 
 
 
KDMichigan
8.3  seeder  KDMichigan  replied to  Tessylo @8    2 weeks ago

See post 1

 
 
 
Tessylo
8.3.1  Tessylo  replied to  KDMichigan @8.3    2 weeks ago

See post 8

 
 
 
KDMichigan
8.4  seeder  KDMichigan  replied to  Tessylo @8    2 weeks ago
I don't believe this guy Nadales. 

Some people educate themselves on a subject others wallow in their ignorance of a subject.

 
 
 
Ronin2
8.5  Ronin2  replied to  Tessylo @8    2 weeks ago

Right, because then they wouldn't have internet accounts for people to follow; a gun organization for people to ask questions of; or a handbook on how to organize.

https://nypost.com/2019/08/06/dayton-shooter-may-be-antifas-first-mass-killer/

However, when it comes to condemning the Dayton shooter’s militant far-left views, all remain mum. Others, such as anti-police activist Shaun King, even claimed the Dayton shooter targeted blacks in a hate crime, though ­racism doesn’t appear to have been a component of his twisted worldview.

While Betts, the Dayton shooter, didn’t leave behind a manifesto, his extensive social-media footprint provides clues as to what may have inspired him. Federal investigators announced Tuesday that they are looking into his exploration of violent ideologies.

Betts had long expressed support for antifa accounts, causes and individuals. That would be the loose network of militant leftist activists who physically attack anyone to the right of Mao in the name of “anti-fascism.” In particular, Betts promoted extreme hatred of American border enforcement.

“Kill every fascist,” the shooter declared in 2018 on twitter, echoing a rallying cry of antifa ideologues. Over the next year, his tweets became increasingly violent. “Nazis deserve death and nothing else,” he tweeted last October. Betts frequently flung the label “Nazi” at those with whom he disagreed online.

By December, he reached out on Twitter to the Socialist Rifle ­Association, an antifa gun group, to comment about bump stocks, and the SRA responded to him. (A bump stock is an attachment for semiautomatic rifles that allow them to fire much faster.)

In the months leading to his rampage, Betts expressed a longing for climactic confrontation. In ­response to an essay by Intercept writer Mehdi Hassan titled, “Yes, Let’s Defeat or Impeach Trump—but What If He Doesn’t Leave the White House?” the shooter wrote: “Arm, train, prepare.”

By June he tweeted: “I want socialism, and I’ll not wait for the idiots to finally come round understanding.” Last week, he promoted posts that demonized Sens. Ted Cruz and Bill Cassidy’s resolution against antifa extremism.

Antifa has been around a lot longer than Charlotte.  The media just chose to ignore them.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/08/23/what-antifa-and-what-does-movement-want/593867001/

Some of the groups, such as the 13-year-old Rose City Antifa in Portland, Oregon, the oldest in the U.S., are particularly well-organized and active online and on  Facebook , while its members are individually anonymous.

How do the groups operate? 

Mark Bray, a lecturer at Dartmouth and author of the new book "Antifa: The Antifascist Handbook,"  says the groups "organize educational campaigns, build community coalitions, monitor fascists, pressure venues to cancel their events, organize self-defense trainings and physically confront the far right when necessary." 

A main goal is to try to deny fascists a public forum, which is why they turn out in numbers to physically confront neo-Nazis, the KKK and white supremacists at public demonstrations. They also step in to protect counterprotesters at such events.

In addition, antifa is particularly active in "doxxing," or identifying neo-Nazis and like-minded individuals and disseminating that private information to the public and employers to discourage people from joining their ranks.

They sound really disorganized. No way they could ever assemble enough people to become a real threat./S

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/07/06/white-nationalist-linked-proud-boys-outnumbered-counter-protesters/1661585001/

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/9kewje/far-right-and-antifa-showdown-drew-1500-protesters

https://www.politico.com/interactives/2017/photos-antifa-campus-violence/

 
 
 
Tacos!
8.6  Tacos!  replied to  Tessylo @8    2 weeks ago
Anti-fa isn't really an 'organization'.

What would make it an organization and why does that matter?

Anyway, he didn't say it wasn't an organization. He said it was imaginary.

 
 
 
Tessylo
8.6.2  Tessylo  replied to  Tacos! @8.6    2 weeks ago

So if it isn't an organization, and he said it was imaginary, how could he have been a former member?

Or are you being tongue in cheek?

Not that I care either way . . . 

 
 
 
Texan1211
8.6.3  Texan1211  replied to  Tessylo @8.6.2    2 weeks ago

Nadler said it was imaginary.

Nadler didn't say he was a former member.

 
 
 
Tacos!
8.6.4  Tacos!  replied to  Tessylo @8.6.2    2 weeks ago
So if it isn't an organization, and he said it was imaginary, how could he have been a former member?

I don't know. This was your distinction. I'm just trying to understand it. Is any group of people who think of themselves as members properly called an "organization?" Does any of this matter?

 
 
 
Tessylo
8.6.5  Tessylo  replied to  Tacos! @8.6.4    2 weeks ago

Like I said, I don't care one way or the other.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
8.6.6  Tessylo  replied to  Texan1211 @8.6.3    2 weeks ago

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dennis smith
8.6.7  dennis smith  replied to  Texan1211 @8.6.3    2 weeks ago

Nadler is imaginary

 
 
 
Greg Jones
8.7  Greg Jones  replied to  Tessylo @8    2 weeks ago

I don't think that you are capable of seeing and perceiving  the level of organization among them, since most of goes on underground and on the Dark Web. But they not just isolated independent groups of agitators.

I'd like to know who finances them, provides the commercial grade fireworks, pallets of bricks, baseball bats, etc.

 
 
 
Tessylo
8.7.1  Tessylo  replied to  Greg Jones @8.7    2 weeks ago

Why don't you look it up on the Dark Web?

 
 
 
Tessylo
9  Tessylo    2 weeks ago

I said Nadales

 
 
 
Texan1211
9.1  Texan1211  replied to  Tessylo @9    one week ago

NADALES said he was a former member of Antifa.

NADLER said it was fake.

 
 
 
Tessylo
9.1.1  Tessylo  replied to  Texan1211 @9.1    one week ago

Nadler was correct.  

 
 
 
Texan1211
9.1.2  Texan1211  replied to  Tessylo @9.1.1    one week ago

Sure he was--in La La Land!

No sane people would deny the existence of Antifa.

 
 
 
MUVA
10  MUVA    2 weeks ago

I have heard old Jerry has never seen his dick while standing.

 
 
 
Sparty On
10.1  Sparty On  replied to  MUVA @10    one week ago

well .... maybe when standing in front of a mirror ..... that is if the stomach fold doesn't totally obscure junior.

 
 
 
Tessylo
10.2  Tessylo  replied to  MUVA @10    one week ago

Sounds like tRump.  

 
 
 
Sparty On
10.2.1  Sparty On  replied to  Tessylo @10.2    one week ago

If you say so dear.

 
 
 
Tessylo
10.2.2  Tessylo  replied to  Sparty On @10.2.1    one week ago

I bet tRump hasn't seen his little dick over that big fat greasy scuzzy tub o' lard gut of his in quite some time.  

 
 
 
Suz
11  Suz    one week ago

Wow. 

 
 
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