As the Electoral College doesn't come into play until all states have certified the vote, you might be a bit premature. Yes, in 2016 Trump won the Electoral College. Will he do it again? There are states where the votes are still being counted so the jury is still out. I figured PA was going to take days as their election laws do not allow for the voting districts to start any processing of mail-in and early ballots until election day. PA received what, something like 10 million mail-in ballots? I even heard on one evening news show that one county in PA wasn't planning on opening the mail-in ballots until after polls closed on election day. So PA may get called today or it may be another day or two before they call PA. All we can do is wait and see.
And from what little I've seen so far, while there had been a bit of bluster from politicians and talking heads it would appear that this election has been mostly fair. Of course there is still a lot of reporting to come in.
The electoral college is not an option, it is part of the CotUS and state constitutions. But the ballots will be counted in states that are close and whose results could be affected by the uncounted ballots.
Somebody is going to have to put a fork in Trump cause he is pretty much done. He just needs to realize it. I did not Biden to win, but the will of the people have spoken and it looks like he will lead the country for the next four years for better or worse.
My comment @2 is three days old. A lot has happened since then. Right now, it is clear that Trump will lose. I think it was also clear yesterday when Trump's positions in 3 of the 4 remaining states started to dwindle.
Looking at the county maps of MIchigan, Wisconsin and Nevada, it would seem that these states will move into the Biden column. That would make it 270. So regardless of N.C., GA, PA... Biden seems to have the race in hand, just not a blowout.
I agree too. If those three to go Biden, the vote count is over. Unfortunately the court battles will then begin. Maybe we'll get a final answer for Christmas? hehe
In some repects, it is better if Trump takes Pennsylvania. Winners rarely scream about "them cheating refs". Losers almost always do. It might be much harder to make such claims about Wisconsin and Michigan.
Winners rarely scream about "them cheating refs". Losers almost always do.
No matter how any of this plays out, if Trump loses, its obvious that Trump will cry "Foul" and constantly bring up the topic of "how there could be violence".
(Never actually directly advocating violence, ya unnderstan'.putting the idea out there to his followers...)
No matter how any of this plays out, if Trump loses, its obvious that Trump will cry "Foul" and constantly bring up the topic of "how there could be violence".
And if he does win, there could be violence. We live in a country where jubilant fans over celebrate victories.
Setting that all aside, I suspect that Pennsylvania and Georgia margins will be extremely small. That it is obvious, imo, that Arizona, Nevada and 2nd district of Nebraska are in Biden's column, which would hit the magic 270. There is a lot of ad revenue for networks to prolong the hysteria... in this age where both broadcast and cable news have been shedding viewership to alternate on line streaming. November is a traditional sweeps month.
A likely scenario ... the winner to be decided by split votes in ME, NE.
270 to 253 would be interesting. Not very productive (except for lawyers and media) though. I expect the next 2 to 4 years to look much like the last 2 to 4 years no matter who wins now.
It would certainly state clearly that the winner does not have a mandate. Best that the winner focus on the virus, rebuilding our economy, and other maintenance and not try to push pet initiatives.
So if Biden wins I hope (just hope) that he will focus on getting the nation healthy again and restoring dignity to the office of PotUS. How about a routine, moderate four years just keeping the ship afloat?
Not certain yet-- but it looks like Biden will carry both MI and We-- and Trump doing surprisingly well in Pennsylvania.
Arizona stronger for Biden than expected. One possible contributing factor there? Possibly some Californians fleeing taxes-- andrecurring terrible fires (plus the possibility of earthquakes).. high cost of living in general...
Probably many of those fleeing are moving to AZ and NV??? (And the majority probabl;y being very liberal...)
All I want is this lying, stupid, deceiving, president gone. If I never had to look or hear Donald Trump pass by or speak in my world again it would be a day too soon! What a disgusting 'brute' of a man! Trump is a disaster!
Will this be hard on the Biden yes to govern a 'herd' of brute-sycophants who will try and test his patience to the ng degree, but at least we will have time to let some of the scarring take place over this festering wound that is our political environment today!
Of course we still have to wait for the states to certify the vote. Just listened to the noon news here in Arizona. While the AP called the state for Biden, the counting isn't done. According to the state, there are still 248,000 approx early ballots to count, plus the early ballots that were dropped off at polling locations yesterday, plus all provisional ballots.
The current numbers are :
Biden : 1,411,086
Trump : 1,317,568
difference of 93,518
I would imagine that there are other states in the same situation where the state has been called one way or the other but the tabulation of the votes is not yet complete. So in my opinion it's time for another glass of bourbon and some more patience.
Good news, the world hasn't ended and the sun still came up.
I am intrigued by the house races. Supposedly, the reps had hoped to minimize lost seats to single digits. Now it appears they may gain some seats, although the dems would still hold majority. It does suggest a leadership battle come 1-3-2021.
All politicans are about the next election cycle and getting re-elected. We have concluded a census and redistricting will take place in several states. Politicians in those affected states are guessing whether they have a job opening next time around and what their constituency might look like. Toeing the party line might become difficult if the leadership appears weak. That will be happening when major issues are still staring us in the face. 2021 is looking tough, imho.
Georgia and Pennsylvania have both flipped blue. Looks like Biden will win with 306 electoral votes. Maybe more, if North Carolina flips, but that one's too close to call.
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Are they going to go with the Electoral College thing even if not all ballots have been counted? Isn't that how he won last time.
That is not a fair election.
As the Electoral College doesn't come into play until all states have certified the vote, you might be a bit premature. Yes, in 2016 Trump won the Electoral College. Will he do it again? There are states where the votes are still being counted so the jury is still out. I figured PA was going to take days as their election laws do not allow for the voting districts to start any processing of mail-in and early ballots until election day. PA received what, something like 10 million mail-in ballots? I even heard on one evening news show that one county in PA wasn't planning on opening the mail-in ballots until after polls closed on election day. So PA may get called today or it may be another day or two before they call PA. All we can do is wait and see.
And from what little I've seen so far, while there had been a bit of bluster from politicians and talking heads it would appear that this election has been mostly fair. Of course there is still a lot of reporting to come in.
The electoral college is not an option, it is part of the CotUS and state constitutions. But the ballots will be counted in states that are close and whose results could be affected by the uncounted ballots.
Let's do the math.
Biden currently with 264 and Trump currently with 215 = combined total of 478 with 54 uncounted yet
There are 538 total EC votes.
Even if Trump were to get all 54 which is unlikely, he would still be short 2 to win.
Biden only needs 6 more.
Somebody is going to have to put a fork in Trump cause he is pretty much done. He just needs to realize it. I did not Biden to win, but the will of the people have spoken and it looks like he will lead the country for the next four years for better or worse.
Unless the numbers turn decisive, Trump will keep this going, driven by his narcissistic ego.
And his desperate need to stay out of jail.
There is no way to predict who is going to win this thing.
If my math was correct, Trump will be 2 short on EC votes. So he can't win.
My comment @2 is three days old. A lot has happened since then. Right now, it is clear that Trump will lose. I think it was also clear yesterday when Trump's positions in 3 of the 4 remaining states started to dwindle.
If Biden wins GA then Trump really has to pull an inside straight flush. I got one thing right, the election dynamics are interesting.
Looking at the county maps of MIchigan, Wisconsin and Nevada, it would seem that these states will move into the Biden column. That would make it 270. So regardless of N.C., GA, PA... Biden seems to have the race in hand, just not a blowout.
Yup, I agree.
I agree too. If those three to go Biden, the vote count is over. Unfortunately the court battles will then begin. Maybe we'll get a final answer for Christmas? hehe
In some repects, it is better if Trump takes Pennsylvania. Winners rarely scream about "them cheating refs". Losers almost always do. It might be much harder to make such claims about Wisconsin and Michigan.
yea, but we are talking about Trump here
What I find interesting is that Nebraska's 2nd district is putting Biden to the 270... otherwise a possible tie.
No matter how any of this plays out, if Trump loses, its obvious that Trump will cry "Foul" and constantly bring up the topic of "how there could be violence".
(Never actually directly advocating violence, ya unnderstan'.putting the idea out there to his followers...)
And if he does win, there could be violence. We live in a country where jubilant fans over celebrate victories.
Setting that all aside, I suspect that Pennsylvania and Georgia margins will be extremely small. That it is obvious, imo, that Arizona, Nevada and 2nd district of Nebraska are in Biden's column, which would hit the magic 270. There is a lot of ad revenue for networks to prolong the hysteria... in this age where both broadcast and cable news have been shedding viewership to alternate on line streaming. November is a traditional sweeps month.
Chill out!
A likely scenario ... the winner to be decided by split votes in ME, NE.
270 to 253 would be interesting. Not very productive (except for lawyers and media) though. I expect the next 2 to 4 years to look much like the last 2 to 4 years no matter who wins now.
OMG... Bite your tongue. If it comes down to that, it will be anarchy!
That would not be such a great scenario, but I would hope the American people will be better than that.
2020, the year that keeps on giving. Can I cry uncle yet?
It would certainly state clearly that the winner does not have a mandate. Best that the winner focus on the virus, rebuilding our economy, and other maintenance and not try to push pet initiatives.
So if Biden wins I hope (just hope) that he will focus on getting the nation healthy again and restoring dignity to the office of PotUS. How about a routine, moderate four years just keeping the ship afloat?
I hear your sentiments loud and clear. However, it is getting frustrating to ALWAYS have to placate right-wing politics and policies!
It's like herpes.
In several states its so close that's important when looking at the map...to check the day and time it was posted.
It changes that quickly!
It would be shocking at this point if Trump pulled out a win.
Agreed.
I dunno. Anything could happen
True, but a Trump win is extremely unlikely given the information at hand.
I do want you to be right
within the last 15 minutes
Biden is holding steady in 2 states
Trump is slipping steadily in 3 states
Biden just got Wisconsin.
Come on, Michigan. Count faster. And what is the holdup with Nevada?
Nevada said they won't release their final numbers until Friday?
Ok, thanks.
Michigan is saying another 24 hours.
In the 2016 election, Michigan was not settled until November 24th.
They are counting millions of ballots.
That they are and Antrim County is manually recounting because of a software glitch.
Some outlets are calling MI for Biden now.
Not certain yet-- but it looks like Biden will carry both MI and We-- and Trump doing surprisingly well in Pennsylvania.
Arizona stronger for Biden than expected. One possible contributing factor there? Possibly some Californians fleeing taxes-- andrecurring terrible fires (plus the possibility of earthquakes).. high cost of living in general...
Probably many of those fleeing are moving to AZ and NV??? (And the majority probabl;y being very liberal...)
All I want is this lying, stupid, deceiving, president gone. If I never had to look or hear Donald Trump pass by or speak in my world again it would be a day too soon! What a disgusting 'brute' of a man! Trump is a disaster!
Will this be hard on the Biden yes to govern a 'herd' of brute-sycophants who will try and test his patience to the ng degree, but at least we will have time to let some of the scarring take place over this festering wound that is our political environment today!
Of course we still have to wait for the states to certify the vote. Just listened to the noon news here in Arizona. While the AP called the state for Biden, the counting isn't done. According to the state, there are still 248,000 approx early ballots to count, plus the early ballots that were dropped off at polling locations yesterday, plus all provisional ballots.
The current numbers are :
Biden : 1,411,086
Trump : 1,317,568
difference of 93,518
I would imagine that there are other states in the same situation where the state has been called one way or the other but the tabulation of the votes is not yet complete. So in my opinion it's time for another glass of bourbon and some more patience.
Good news, the world hasn't ended and the sun still came up.
Michigan's is closer than Arizona. We're talking less than 40,000 vote difference and one county hasn't reported anything at all yet.
Wisconsin is closer too; similar to MI in difference. We're talking less than 1% difference still.
I am intrigued by the house races. Supposedly, the reps had hoped to minimize lost seats to single digits. Now it appears they may gain some seats, although the dems would still hold majority. It does suggest a leadership battle come 1-3-2021.
I think after yet another lackluster House election, Pelosi's role as Speaker may be in real jeopardy now.
Losing 7 seats when your party wins the WH doesn't look good.
All politicans are about the next election cycle and getting re-elected. We have concluded a census and redistricting will take place in several states. Politicians in those affected states are guessing whether they have a job opening next time around and what their constituency might look like. Toeing the party line might become difficult if the leadership appears weak. That will be happening when major issues are still staring us in the face. 2021 is looking tough, imho.
I'd be happy if they voted in someone else, but she does a good job keeping the Progressive at bay which is fine by me.
she had a tough time in 2018 while winning seats, what will happen after losing seats when Biden won?
I think it will actually be easier for her since the smaller numbers will need to be more focused.
Trump's lead in PA has dwindled to one percentage point. In Georgia, it's 0.1%, about 3,600 votes.
Georgia and Pennsylvania have both flipped blue. Looks like Biden will win with 306 electoral votes. Maybe more, if North Carolina flips, but that one's too close to call.
Biden has been declared the winner in Pennsylvania.