Virginia's Lee statue has been removed from the US Capitol


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Via:  john-russell  •  4 weeks ago  •  28 comments


Virginia's Lee statue has been removed from the US Capitol
WASHINGTON (AP) — A statue of Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee that has represented Virginia in the U.S. Capitol for 111 years has been removed. Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam said in a statement...

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WASHINGTON (AP) — A statue of Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee that has represented Virginia in the U.S. Capitol for 111 years has been removed.

Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam said in a statement that workers removed the statue from the National Statuary Hall Collection early Monday morning.

Northam had requested the removal and a state commission decided that Lee was not a fitting symbol for the state.

Lee's statue had stood with George Washington's statue since 1909 as Virginia's representatives in the Capitol. Every state gets two statues.

The state commission has recommended replacing Lee's statue with a statue of Barbara Johns. She protested conditions at her all-Black high school in the town of Farmville in 1951. Her court case became part of the landmark Brown v. Board of Education decision by the U.S. Supreme Court. The ruling had struck down racial segregation in public schools.

Confederate monuments have reemerged as a national flash point since the death of George Floyd, a Black man who died after a white Minneapolis officer pressed his knee into his neck for several minutes. Protesters decrying racism have targeted Confederate monuments in multiple cities, and some have been taken down.

"The Confederacy is a symbol of Virginia's racist and divisive history, and it is past time we tell our story with images of perseverance, diversity, and inclusion," Northam said in a statement.

The Democratic governor added: "I look forward to seeing a trailblazing young woman of color represent Virginia in the U.S. Capitol, where visitors will learn about Barbara Johns' contributions to America and be empowered to create positive change in their communities just like she did."

U.S. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi also hailed the removal, saying in a statement there "is no room for celebrating the bigotry of the Confederacy in the Capitol or any other place of honor in our country."

The presence of statues of generals and other figures of the Confederacy in Capitol locations such as Statuary Hall — the original House chamber — has been offensive to African American lawmakers for many years. Former Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr., an Illinois Democrat, was known to give tours pointing out the numerous statues.

But it's up to the states to determine which of their historical figures to display. Jefferson Davis, a former U.S. senator from Mississippi who was president of the Confederate States of America, is represented by one of two statues from that state.

Pelosi, a Democrat from California, noted in June that Davis and Confederate Vice President Alexander Stephens, whose statue comes from Georgia, "were charged with treason against the United States."


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Bob Nelson
1  Bob Nelson    4 weeks ago

The only places that should show statues of Robert E Lee are those that also have statues of Heinz Guderian.

2  seeder  JohnRussell    4 weeks ago

We still have people in denial that Donald trump said there were "fine people on both sides" of the violent confrontation in Charlottesville in 2018. 

Were there fine people on both sides, or was that a Trump suck up to his base?

Jason Eric Kessler  is an American neo-Nazi, white supremacist and anti-semitic conspiracy theorist. Kessler organized the Unite the Right rally held in Charlottesville, Virginia on August 11–12, 2017 and the Unite the Right 2 rally held on August 12, 2018.

On May 13, 2017 , white supremacist  Richard Spencer  led a nighttime rally in Charlottesville to protest the city's plans to remove the statue of Lee. The event involved over 100 protesters, from various alt-right groups from around the country, chanting "Jews will not replace us!" [54]  and "Russia is our friend!" while holding lit torches near the statue, a spectacle which many Charlottesville residents found intimidating, and which the mayor denounced as a "harken[ing] back to the days of the KKK." [55] [56]  The next night, hundreds of anti-racist Charlottesville residents held a  candlelight counterprotest  in response. [57]  Throughout early to mid-2017, tensions mounted as neo-Confederate and alt-right groups' sporadic gatherings in Charlottesville's downtown parks and pedestrian mall were confronted by anti-racist activists, resulting in occasional scuffles and some arrests. [58] [59] [60]  On July 8, 2017, the  Loyal White Knights of the Ku Klux Klan , a group from Pelham, North Carolina, held a rally at the Stonewall Jackson statue in Charlottesville. [61]  In opposition to the rally, the Charlottesville Clergy Collective created a  safe space  two blocks from the Klan rally at First United Methodist Church, which was used by over 600 people. [61]  About 50 Klan members were drowned out by 1,000 counterprotesters (including 23 civil disobedience activists arrested for attempting to block the Klan group's entry into the park), who gathered at a loud but nonviolent rally dubbed by anti-racist organizers as the "#BlocKKKParty." [62] [63]  After the Klan group's departure, however, the Charlottesville Police Department declared the remaining counterprotesters to be an unlawful assembly, and ordered their dispersal—an order which, given the din of the crowd and the police helicopter hovering overhead, went unheard by many in the crowd. Although the Charlottesville chief of police had denied permission for the measure, the Virginia State Police acted upon an unapproved order and fired three tear gas canisters into a retreating group of counterprotesters. Police and city government officials later defended the action, which anti-racist counter-demonstrators and legal observer organizations characterized as police brutality. The resulting mistrust between law enforcement and local activists clouded the remainder of the summer, setting the stage for the August 12 Unite the Right rally. [64] [65]

I post this long passage from wikipedia to make this point.  IT WAS WELL KNOWN, PARTICULARLY IN CHARLOTTESVILLE, that this rally was organized and run by white racists.  Trump had to know that too, or he is more of an idiot than we believe, the permit to march belonged to a racist, neo Nazi group, it was all over the local news well before the night and day of the incidents. So just what kind of "fine people" showed up to march alongside the white nationalists and anti-semites ?

Trump apologists continue to say he was misquoted about Charlottesville. Its not that. He was pandering to his white grievance crowd when he made those comments. It is as plain as day. 

2.1  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @2    4 weeks ago

And we still have folks pushing the deliberate falsehoods about what Trump actually said.

Denial of that fact is futile.

2.1.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1    4 weeks ago

I know what Trump actually said, and when and where he said it.  Do you? 

His comments were completely disingenuous, at best. 

This rally was organized and promoted by racists, this activity around that statue had been taking place all summer in Charlottesville, and it was in the local tv news that white nationalists were behind the rally. 

What kind of "fine people" showed up that day to rally with the neo nazis? 

2.1.2  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.1    4 weeks ago
I know what Trump actually said, and when and where he said it.

Fantastic, but your posts show you clearly didn't understand.

Do you? 


His comments were completely disingenuous, at best. 

His words have been taken out of context so many times by now, and it continues to this day.

2.1.3  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.2    4 weeks ago

Trump knew, or should have known, that the rally at Charlottesville was run by white nationalists and neo Nazis.  In his first comments he did not mention that but rather talked about fine people on both sides. This caused so much uproar that he had to come back two days later (during a trip to his Trump Tower in New York City) and restate his comments to include a condemnation of the racists. 

It isnt people like me that are misrepresenting what happened, it is the people who defend Trump. 

Sean Treacy
2.1.4  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.3    4 weeks ago

So  all the people who attended protests of the Iraq war were communists?  You attribute the beliefs of organizers to all the people who attend protests now?

so you would agree that millions of Democrats are  communists and anti-Semites under that standard. .

2.1.5  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.3    4 weeks ago

Here is what he actually said-all of it, not cherry-picked parts to suit a political agenda or to satisfy some intense hatred for Trump.

PolitiFact | In Context: Donald Trump’s ‘very fine people on both sides’ remarks (transcript)

2.1.6  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.5    4 weeks ago
The next day, Trump responded, saying "If you look at what I said, you will see that that question was answered perfectly. And I was talking about people that went because they felt very strongly about the monument to Robert E. Lee, a great general. Whether you like it or not, he was one of the great generals."

Trump had to come back 48 hours later and "clarify" what he meant earlier because it had gone over so badly. 

His initial comments did not even recognize that white racists were involved, EVEN THOUGH THEY HAD PLANNED AND WERE IN CHARGE OF THE RALLY. 

This rally was organized and promoted by neo Nazis. Did Trump know that or not on the Saturday of the event when he said "fine people on both sides"?

2.1.7  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.6    4 weeks ago

You can continue to twist his words and deny what he actually stated--that's your privilege.

Me, I'll be going on his real words--not how some yahoo interpretted them.

Just Jim NC TttH
2.1.8  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.6    4 weeks ago
Did Trump know that or not on the Saturday of the event when he said "fine people on both sides"?

We'll never know. Why keep pounding on this? What, at this point, difference does it make.

2.1.9  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.1.8    4 weeks ago

Why did we have nine Benghazi hearings in Congress?  And the 9th one interrogated Hillary Clinton for 11 hours. 

The only difference it makes now about Trump is because people keep defending him. They will still be defending him four years from now too. 

2.1.10  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.7    4 weeks ago

I know what he actually said. He should not have said it. That is the point. 

2.1.11  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.10    4 weeks ago

Your posts indicate otherwise

2.1.12  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.11    4 weeks ago

u da bla bla bla guy

2.1.13  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.12    4 weeks ago

How coherent!

Want to try again, sans inanity?

2.1.14  Krishna  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.1.8    4 weeks ago
when he said "fine people on both sides"?

I suppose it depends upon how he defines "Fine People"...?

Charlotteville Neo-Nazi Rally:

Charlottesville Nazis Chant 'Jews Will Not Replace Us' Through Streets of #CVille 8/12/17

2.1.15  Krishna  replied to  Krishna @2.1.14    4 weeks ago

So many rallies-- so little time!

Here's some excellent "first person reporting" at the "Occupy Wall Street"Rally - October 2011

(Anyone here remember seeing news coverage of those "Occupy Wall St." rallies?

(Although IIRC, there wasn't a Nazi or Klan presence at those rallies (?)

2.1.16  Krishna  replied to  Krishna @2.1.15    4 weeks ago

More scintillating Newstalkers live coverage HERE!

Split Personality
3  Split Personality    4 weeks ago

Johns?  wtf

How about Admiral Richard E Byrd?

Split Personality
5  Split Personality    4 weeks ago

How about Arthur Ashe?

Arthur Robert Ashe Jr. was an American professional tennis player who won three Grand Slam singles titles. Ashe was the first black player selected to the United States Davis Cup team and the only black man ever to win the singles title at Wimbledon, the US Open, and the Australian Open. WIKI

Who cares if he died from AIDS, he was a black pioneer.


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