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'Slow-motion insurrection': How GOP seizes election power

  

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Via:  dig  •  4 years ago  •  224 comments

By:   NICHOLAS RICCARDI (AP NEWS)

'Slow-motion insurrection': How GOP seizes election power

S E E D E D   C O N T E N T



In the weeks leading up to the deadly insurrection at the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, a handful of Americans — well-known politicians, obscure local bureaucrats — stood up to block then-President Donald Trump's unprecedented attempt to overturn a free and fair vote of the American people.

In the year since, Trump-aligned Republicans have worked to clear the path for next time.

In battleground states and beyond, Republicans are taking hold of the once-overlooked machinery of elections. While the effort is incomplete and uneven, outside experts on democracy and Democrats are sounding alarms, warning that the United States is witnessing a "slow-motion insurrection" with a better chance of success than Trump's failed power grab last year.

They point to a mounting list of evidence: Several candidates who deny Trump's loss are running for offices that could have a key role in the election of the next president in 2024. In Michigan, the Republican Party is restocking members of obscure local boards that could block approval of an election. In Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, the GOP-controlled legislatures are backing open-ended "reviews" of the 2020 election, modeled on a deeply flawed look-back in Arizona. The efforts are poised to fuel disinformation and anger about the 2020 results for years to come.

All this comes as the Republican Party has become more aligned behind Trump, who has made denial of the 2020 results a litmus test for his support. Trump has praised the Jan. 6 rioters and backed primaries aimed at purging lawmakers who have crossed him. Sixteen GOP governors have signed laws making it more difficult to vote. An Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research poll showed that two-thirds of Republicans do not believe Democrat Joe Biden was legitimately elected as president.

The result, experts say, is that another baseless challenge to an election has become more likely, not less.

"It's not clear that the Republican Party is willing to accept defeat anymore," said Steven Levitsky, a Harvard political scientist and co-author of the book "How Democracies Die." "The party itself has become an anti-democratic force."

American democracy has been flawed and manipulated by both parties since its inception. Millions of Americans — Black people, women, Native Americans and others — have been excluded from the process. Both Republicans and Democrats have written laws rigging the rules in their favor.

This time, experts argue, is different: Never in the country's modern history has a a major party sought to turn the administration of elections into an explicitly partisan act.

Republicans who sound alarms are struggling to be heard by their own party. GOP Reps. Liz Cheney of Wyoming or Adam Kinzinger of Illinois, members of a House committee investigating the Jan. 6 insurrection, are often dismissed as party apostates. Others have cast the election denialism as little more than a distraction.

But some local officials, the people closest to the process and its fragility, are pleading for change. At a recent news conference in Wisconsin, Kathleen Bernier, a GOP state senator and former elections clerk, denounced her party's efforts to seize control of the election process.

"These made up things that people do to jazz up the base is just despicable and I don't believe any elected legislator should play that game," said Bernier.

LOCAL CONTROL

Bernier's view is not shared by the majority of the Republicans who control the state Legislature in Wisconsin, one of a handful of states that Biden carried but Trump wrongly claims he won. Early in 2021, Wisconsin Republicans ordered their Legislative Audit Bureau to review the 2020 election. That review found no significant fraud. Last month, an investigation by the conservative Wisconsin Institute for Law and Liberty came to the same conclusion.

Still, many Republicans are convinced that something went wrong. They point to how the nonpartisan Wisconsin Elections Commission — which the GOP-led Legislature and then-Republican governor created eight years ago to run the state's elections — changed guidance for local elections officers to make voting easier during the pandemic.

That's led to a struggle for control of elections between the state Legislature and the commission.

"We feel we need to get this straight for people to believe we have integrity," said GOP Sen. Alberta Darling, who represents the conservative suburbs north of Milwaukee. "We're not just trying to change the election with Trump. We're trying to dig into the next election and change irregularities."

Republicans are also remaking the way elections are run in other states. In Georgia, an election bill signed this year by the GOP governor gave the Republican-controlled General Assembly new powers over the state board of elections, which controls its local counterparts.

The law is being used to launch a review of operations in solidly-Democratic Fulton County, home to most of Atlanta, which could lead to a state takeover. The legislature also passed measures allowing local officials to remove Democrats from election boards in six other counties.

In Pennsylvania, the GOP-controlled legislature is undertaking a review of the presidential election, subpoenaing voter information that Democrats contend is an unprecedented intrusion into voter privacy. Meanwhile, Trump supporters are signing up for local election jobs in droves. One pastor who attended the Jan. 6 rally in the nation's capital recently won a race to become an election judge overseeing voting in a rural part of Lancaster County.

In Michigan, the GOP has focused on the state's county boards of canvassers. The little-known committees' power was briefly in the spotlight in November of 2020, when Trump urged the two Republican members of the board overseeing Wayne County, home to Democratic-bastion Detroit, to vote to block certification of the election.

After one of the Republican members defied Trump, local Republicans replaced her with Robert Boyd, who told The Detroit Free Press that he would not have certified Biden's win last year.

Boyd did not return a call for comment.

A similar swap — replacing a traditional Republican with one who parroted Trump's election lies — occurred in Macomb County, the state's third most populous county.

The Detroit News in October reported that Republicans had replaced their members on boards of canvassers in eight of Michigan's 11 most populous counties

Michigan officials say that if boards of canvassers don't certify an election they can be sued and compelled to do so. Still, that process could cause chaos and be used as a rallying cry behind election disputes.

"They're laying the groundwork for a slow-motion insurrection," said Mark Brewer, an election lawyer and former chair of the Michigan Democratic Party.

The state's top election official, Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson, warned: "The movement to cast doubt on the 2020 election has now turned their eyes ... to changing the people who were in positions of authority and protected 2020."

TRUMP'S RETRIBUTION

That includes Benson.

Multiple Republicans have lined up to challenge her, including Kristina Karamo, a community college professor who alleged fraud in the 2020 elections and contended that the Jan. 6 attackers were actually antifa activists trying to frame Trump supporters.

Trump has been clear about his intentions: He is seeking to oust statewide officials who stood in his way and replace them with allies.

"We have secretary of states that did not do the right thing for the American people," Trump, who has endorsed Karamo, told The Associated Press this month.

The most prominent Trump push is in Georgia, where the former president is backing U.S. Rep. Jody Hice, who voted against Biden's Electoral College victory on Jan. 6, in a primary race against the Republican secretary of state, Brad Raffensperger. He rejected Trump's pleas to "find" enough votes to declare him the winner.

Trump also encouraged former U.S. Sen. David Perdue to challenge Gov. Brian Kemp in the GOP primary. Kemp turned down Trump's entreaties to declare him the victor in the 2020 election.

In October, Jason Shepherd stepped down as chair of the Cobb County GOP after the group censured Kemp. "It's shortsighted. They're not contemplating the effects of this down the line," Shepherd said in an interview. "They want their pound of flesh from Brian Kemp because Brian Kemp followed the law."

In Nevada, multiple lawsuits seeking to overturn Biden's victory were thrown out by judges. A suit aimed at overturning his congressional loss was filed by Jim Marchant, a former GOP state lawmaker now running to be secretary of state, and it too was dismissed. The current Republican secretary of state, Barbara Cegavske, who is term limited, found there was no significant fraud in the contests.

Marchant said he's not just seeking to become a Trump enabler, though he was endorsed by Trump in his congressional bid. "I've been fighting this since before he came along," Marchant said of Trump. "All we want is fair and transparent elections."

In Pennsylvania, Republican state Sen. Doug Mastriano, who organized buses of Trump supporters for Trump's rally near the White House on Jan. 6, has signaled he's running for governor. In Arizona, state Rep. Mark Finchem's bid to be secretary of state has unnerved many Republicans, given that he hosted a daylong hearing in November 2020 that featured Trump adviser Rudolph Giuliani. Former news anchor Kari Lake, who repeats Trump's election falsehoods, is running to succeed Republican Gov. Doug Ducey, who stood up to Trump's election-year pressure and is barred from another term.

Elsewhere in Arizona, Maricopa County Recorder Stephen Richer, who defended his office against the conspiratorial election review, has started a political committee to provide financial support to Republicans who tell the truth about the election. But he's realistic about the persistence of the myth of a stolen election within his party's base.

"Right now," Richer said, "the incentive structure seems to be strongly in favor of doing the wrong thing."

HIGH STAKES RACES FOR GOVERNOR

In Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, Democratic governors have been a major impediment to the GOP's effort to overhaul elections. Most significantly, they have vetoed new rules that Democrats argue are aimed at making it harder for people of color to vote.

Governors have a significant role in U.S. elections: They certify the winners in their states, clearing way for the appointment of Electoral College members. That raises fears that Trump-friendly governors could try to certify him — if he were to run in 2024 and be the GOP nominee — as the winner of their state's electoral votes regardless of the vote count.

Additionally, some Republicans argue that state legislatures can name their own electors regardless of what the vote tally says.

But Democrats have had little success in laying out the stakes in these races. It's difficult for voters to believe the system could be vulnerable, said Daniel Squadron of The States Project, a Democratic group that tries to win state legislatures.

"The most motivated voters in America today are those who think the 2020 election was stolen," he said. "Acknowledging this is afoot requires such a leap from any core American value system that any of us have lived through."


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Dig
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1  seeder  Dig    4 years ago
[...] the Republican Party has become more aligned behind Trump, who has made denial of the 2020 results a litmus test for his support. Trump has praised the Jan. 6 rioters and backed primaries aimed at purging lawmakers who have crossed him. Sixteen GOP governors have signed laws making it more difficult to vote. An Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research poll showed that two-thirds of Republicans do not believe Democrat Joe Biden was legitimately elected as president.

The result, experts say, is that another baseless challenge to an election has become more likely, not less.

"It's not clear that the Republican Party is willing to accept defeat anymore," said Steven Levitsky, a Harvard political scientist and co-author of the book "How Democracies Die." "The party itself has become an anti-democratic force."

In case anyone was wondering...

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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1.1  Greg Jones  replied to  Dig @1    4 years ago

The left's relentless attempts to overturn Trump's fairly won election amounted to a de facto insurrection.

What happened on January 6th was an unorganized demonstration that led to a half assed riot that got out of hand.

The left's pathetic attempts to make it more than it was is failing with the public at large...

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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1.1.1  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Greg Jones @1.1    4 years ago

Hilarious.  Right wing lunatics would like you to believe that if Donald Trump would have won his re-election attempt then criminals would have disappeared.  What idiots are buying this?

 
 
 
Sparty On
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1.1.2  Sparty On  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @1.1.1    4 years ago

A major portion of this country was not happy with how the 2020 election was prosecuted.   Still aren't but no worries.  

You're about to find that out the hard way in 2022 and very likely in 2024 as well.

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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1.1.3  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Sparty On @1.1.2    4 years ago

The election was not “prosecuted”.  The snowflakes who were so unhappy with the results of the free and fair election that they literally shit in the halls of congress - now they were prosecuted.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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1.1.4  Greg Jones  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @1.1.1    4 years ago

I'm referring to the 2016 election.

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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1.1.5  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Greg Jones @1.1.4    4 years ago

I guessed I somehow missed all of the “relentless attempts from the left to overturn the 2016 election.”  How’s that whole rewriting of history thing going for you?

 
 
 
Sparty On
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1.1.6  Sparty On  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @1.1.3    4 years ago

You understanding of the word "prosecuted" appears to be sophomoric at best.

 
 
 
Dig
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1.1.7  seeder  Dig  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @1.1.5    4 years ago
I guessed I somehow missed all of the “relentless attempts from the left to overturn the 2016 election.”

You and everyone else who lives in the real world.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
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1.1.8  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @1.1.1    3 years ago

Magats.

 
 
 
CB
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1.1.9  CB  replied to  Greg Jones @1.1    3 years ago

What a  "f-ked up" (alternative) reality is Trump 'country.' It says. . .a lot that some conservatives won't let Donald Trump have his little delusion all to himself. Quite telling, indeed.

 
 
 
CB
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1.1.10  CB  replied to  Sparty On @1.1.2    3 years ago

Similar words came out of a right-wing echo chamber in 2020. But, don't ask me to dredge those articles up, because I am not going to indulge any of it.  "A major portion of this country" is not happy with goodness, mercy, compassion, caring, consideration, selflessness, fairness—and we should care because some conservatives can't handle loss? Hey! Some conservatives y'all's perspective and lack of a coherent vision for this country during a major pandemic crisis lost the election! Move on and learn to play fair already!

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
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1.1.11  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @1.1.1    3 years ago

Not only would they not disappear, but Trump would have appointed them to key positions....his usual MO.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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2  Sparty On    4 years ago

OMG ..... another insurrection?   This one in slow motion?   Scary.

"It's not clear that the Republican Party is willing to accept defeat anymore," said Steven Levitsky, a Harvard political scientist and co-author of the book "How Democracies Die." "The party itself has become an anti-democratic force."

That said, the projection at play here is epic.   People like Levitsky, a Harvard Poli Sci prof, are about as far away from mainstream America as it gets.

They are about to find that out the hard way, once again, in 2022.   We'll see how well partisans like him take the butt whipping that's coming in November.

My guess is the red ass will be even more epic than the TDS pandemic of 2016-2020

 
 
 
CB
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2.1  CB  replied to  Sparty On @2    3 years ago

TDS? One to talk - wow! I know. I know. Some conservatives project the aforementioned on liberals. However, it truly is Trump supporters that demonstrate and 'mouth' the cray-cray-iest things!

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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But Democrats have had little success in laying out the stakes in these races. It's difficult for voters to believe the system could be vulnerable, said Daniel Squadron of The States Project, a Democratic group that tries to win state legislatures.

This is a problem - Democratic messaging, or lack thereof.  The Dems need to make sure, where this is happening, that people know that a good portion of the Republican party is working to make sure the voice of the people counts for nothing, if it opposes the GOP.  Elections in those areas will be a facade, as the results will be pre-determined.

Anybody who gives a damn about American values should be alarmed.

 
 
 
Dig
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3.1  seeder  Dig  replied to  sandy-2021492 @3    4 years ago

I can't believe the anti-American depravity of the R's these days. They should just come out and admit they don't want a republic anymore. 

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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3.1.1  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Dig @3.1    3 years ago

The same could very much be said about the D's as well. It is a double edged sword.

 
 
 
JBB
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3.1.2  JBB  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @3.1.1    3 years ago

No Ed, it cannot! False equivalencies are false on their faces and at this time in American history only the gop is as a minority actually trying to keep political power away from the majority instead of moving in the direction of the electorate. The problem for the gop is that gerrymandering and voter suppression can only go so far...in a Republic! There has been no liberal equivalent to January 6, 2021!

Yes, people often tell lies, so I guess anything "Could be said". So what? Doesn't make it true!

 
 
 
bbl-1
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3.1.3  bbl-1  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @3.1.1    3 years ago

Uh no.  The ( D's ) will never force a 12 year old or anybody else for that matter to bear children against their will.  And many other things too.

 
 
 
Dig
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3.1.4  seeder  Dig  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @3.1.1    3 years ago
The same could very much be said about the D's as well. It is a double edged sword.

That's ridiculous. What exactly makes you think that? Seriously, please share.

One party wants to safeguard voting rights, the other is actively trying to undermine them. Do you not know which is which? Read the article for a hint.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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3.1.5  sandy-2021492  replied to  Dig @3.1.4    3 years ago

I think false equivalence has become a knee-jerk reaction for some.  "But the Dems are just as bad" is just something they say as a matter of course when Republicans are criticized.  When asked to substantiate their claims, the responses tend to be lacking.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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3.1.6  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  bbl-1 @3.1.3    3 years ago

And just where did I say that was the case? The answer is obviously I did not, so please do try to refrain from putting your words in my mouth. 

 
 
 
bbl-1
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3.1.7  bbl-1  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @3.1.6    3 years ago

Of course.  Why would I expect any less---or any more for that matter.  

I've read your posts for quite a while.  That is where you stand.  You stand with those that do exactly that.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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3.1.8  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  bbl-1 @3.1.7    3 years ago

Nice attempt at deflection.

 
 
 
bbl-1
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3.1.9  bbl-1  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @3.1.8    3 years ago

Where is the deflection?

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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3.1.10  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  bbl-1 @3.1.9    3 years ago

You never answered my question In post #3.1.6 on as to where I stated anything about 12 year olds. Instead you just went off on a tangent in 3.1.7 accusing me of standing with other people. That deflection!

 
 
 
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3.1.11  goose is back  replied to  Dig @3.1.4    3 years ago
One party wants to safeguard voting rights, the other is actively trying to undermine them

The problem is who's trying to do what. 

You get one vote. You should vote where you are registered. You should prove who you are so no one steals your vote. You have a window of time to vote. The voter roles should be cleaned up to remove deceased and people no long in the district.

 
 
 
bbl-1
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3.1.12  bbl-1  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @3.1.10    3 years ago

Not a tangent.  You support the party that supports that.  That is what it is, isn't it?

 
 
 
CB
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3.2  CB  replied to  sandy-2021492 @3    3 years ago

I agree. It is time for the democratic party to find its 'rowdy' voice in 2022 and magnify it over its 'cerebral' voice. The republics are messaging bull crap; and democrats should have a field day messaging about republican/conservatives weakness and lack of cohesive policy (or any policy platform at all).

 
 
 
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3.2.1  sandy-2021492  replied to  CB @3.2    3 years ago
democrats should have a field day messaging about republican/conservatives weakness and lack of cohesive policy (or any policy platform at all).

But they probably won't.  Dems are weak on messaging.  They need to work on that, and they need to start yesterday.

 
 
 
CB
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3.2.2  CB  replied to  sandy-2021492 @3.2.1    3 years ago

Then how the "h" can democrats build consistency in winning (for the right purposes)? The time is now to learn and immediately deploy new ideas and tactics—yesterday!

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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4  Greg Jones    4 years ago

No...the American people are discovering that the Democrats have little regard for traditional American values....or the rule of law.

 
 
 
Dig
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4.1  seeder  Dig  replied to  Greg Jones @4    4 years ago

Americans who STILL support a criminal, a tyrant, and an enemy of the republic have no business whatsoever pretending they give a shit about traditional American values or the rule of law.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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4.1.1  Sparty On  replied to  Dig @4.1    3 years ago

You are not going to like 2022 come about Nov 9th.    Best you start girding your loins now.    God knows they are going to need a lot of girding.

 
 
 
JBB
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4.1.2  JBB  replied to  Sparty On @4.1.1    3 years ago

What make you think the electorate desires a turn to the right? Most of those expressing dissatisfaction and disappointment with the current administration and Congress want a more aggressive approach, not stagnation...

This meme better sums up current attitudes.

original

 
 
 
Sparty On
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4.1.3  Sparty On  replied to  JBB @4.1.2    3 years ago

Nah, not even close.   Especially the meme.  

That meme typifies all the liberal sky screamers we've seem the past five years.   The TDS ridden, hate filled, liberal left..

They better stock up on Preparation-h again.   2022 is going to be a very inflamed ride for those fruit-loops.

 
 
 
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4.1.4  JBB  replied to  Sparty On @4.1.3    3 years ago

Whoosh! Americans are not turning towards the right, especially not the far right. The gop as it is today is shrinking. America is getting browner, gayer, less religious and more and more progressive especially economically...

Flat earth supply side knuckle dragging in the modern world is a recipe for future failure...

Face it, intolerance and ignorance are a no go. 

 
 
 
CB
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4.1.5  CB  replied to  JBB @4.1.2    3 years ago

Here! Here!

 
 
 
CB
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4.1.6  CB  replied to  Sparty On @4.1.3    3 years ago

Hmmph. Jarring. You have your work cut out for you for many months reciting. . .lines.

 
 
 
bbl-1
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4.1.7  bbl-1  replied to  Sparty On @4.1.1    3 years ago

Be wary.  The amendment after the First Amendment still stands and its only purpose is citizens protecting themselves from a vengeful, unresponsive, dangerous group of individuals who hold the reins of power.

This too.  Those who tout the Second Amendment to further and promote a lie will suffer the consequence that amendment guarantees for truth, justice and freedom.  Be wary.  Be very-very wary.  

 
 
 
CB
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4.1.8  CB  replied to  bbl-1 @4.1.7    3 years ago

'The Western World' will not SUPPORT an America that ignores its own Rule of Law to follow after a psychotic wanna be tyrant!  Some conservatives delude themselves into believing that "any old 'America'" will do in the 21st century for Europe and NATO even should it renege on its policies of working for truth over and above error. It is arrogance to think that lying, backstabbing, double-dealings, aka: CORRUPTION is preferred by nations looking to advance in the world. Also, short-sighted. This nation will be 'deserted' by its friendly nations, its contracts will be compromised, and it will be cut out of its treaties.  Worse, irreparable harm will be done to the reputation which can no longer feign IGNORANCE of deliberately choosing to return to corruption over fairness while looking the CHOICE squarely in its face!

 
 
 
Sparty On
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4.1.9  Sparty On  replied to  JBB @4.1.4    3 years ago

I never said Americans were turning right.    

I said the left is going to get its ass kicked in 2022.    And I for one am going to enjoy watch them try rational the ass kicking away somehow.

Better buckle up buttercups ..... you’ve sown the wind and now are about to reap the whirlwind.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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4.1.10  Trout Giggles  replied to  Sparty On @4.1.3    3 years ago
The TDS ridden, hate filled, liberal left..

I find that ironic. We have our share of the hate filled right here on NT

 
 
 
Sparty On
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4.1.11  Sparty On  replied to  Trout Giggles @4.1.10    3 years ago

Nah, that’s not ironic at all but opinions can vary .......

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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4.1.12  Trout Giggles  replied to  Sparty On @4.1.11    3 years ago

That's getting tiring..."opinions can vary". And if you can't see the hate coming from the right I can't help you

 
 
 
Sparty On
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4.1.13  Sparty On  replied to  Trout Giggles @4.1.12    3 years ago

I never said hate didn’t come from the right.    I said my comment (that you quoted) wasn’t ironic IMO.

 
 
 
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4.1.14  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  CB @4.1.8    3 years ago

We are a global laughing stock politically right now.

 
 
 
CB
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4.2  CB  replied to  Greg Jones @4    3 years ago

"Traditional American Values"?  Like what Greg? (I don't even want to imagine what you label as, 'rule of law.'

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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4.2.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  CB @4.2    3 years ago

Women back in the home, gays back in the closet, brown people back on the plantation, and 12 year olds working the coal mines.

Need I go on?

 
 
 
Sparty On
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4.2.2  Sparty On  replied to  Trout Giggles @4.2.1    3 years ago

By all means, keep pushing the hyperbole.

 
 
 
CB
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4.2.3  CB  replied to  Sparty On @4.2.2    3 years ago

TG is not being hyperbolic. And, though republicans and conservatives no longer have a presentable political platform for any of us to gaze upon, we fall-back on what is being enacted or lack thereof and not (never) what some conservatives say!

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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4.2.4  Trout Giggles  replied to  Sparty On @4.2.2    3 years ago

Just wait until I get going. If you think that's hyperbole you ain't seen nuttin' yet

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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4.2.5  Trout Giggles  replied to  CB @4.2.3    3 years ago

They want to deprive women of their free choice in what to do with our bodies. They don't like women pushing them out of the corporate and academic worlds. Hell, they don't think we need minimum wage or child labor laws!

And God forbid we have Pride Parades!

 
 
 
Sparty On
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4.2.6  Sparty On  replied to  CB @4.2.3    3 years ago

This kind of nonsense is getting tiring ..... yawn ....

 
 
 
Sparty On
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4.2.7  Sparty On  replied to  Trout Giggles @4.2.4    3 years ago

Yippee  ki yay!

 
 
 
CB
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4.2.8  CB  replied to  Sparty On @4.2.6    3 years ago

Understatement. I note some conservatives tend to write less when they have nothing (useful) to help build constructive discourse. Between two group or more of Americans.

 
 
 
CB
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4.2.9  CB  replied to  Trout Giggles @4.2.5    3 years ago

EXACTLY. Some conservatives want girls and women to simply 'want' more babies "just because." Ignoring the uniquely solid fact that EVERYTHING this world labels human beauty or ugliness comes through the womb of a female. That is, every man or woman I have ever gazed upon or read about through 'countless' histories is a product of female 'love' for birthing and making it so.

Yet, some conservatives want even more babies, but promise not a damn thing to them—as if being alive for alive sake is the thing.

Homosexuals, Blacks?  Why should women want to have excess babies just to be abused by culture and society?

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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4.2.10  Jack_TX  replied to  Trout Giggles @4.2.1    3 years ago
Women back in the home, gays back in the closet, brown people back on the plantation, and 12 year olds working the coal mines. Need I go on?

I'll need to order more eye-rolls.  

Maybe I'll see if they come in a larger size.  

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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4.2.11  Trout Giggles  replied to  Jack_TX @4.2.10    3 years ago

I read eye rolls as rib eyes and was going to ask you why you need a larger rib eye

 
 
 
Sparty On
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4.2.12  Sparty On  replied to  CB @4.2.8    3 years ago

Meh, some us prefer to not bore our audience with long meaningless speech but tend to gravitate towards short and sweet.    Others here like the sound of their own voices entirely too much.

Know what I mean?

 
 
 
CB
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4.2.13  CB  replied to  Sparty On @4.2.12    3 years ago

"Talking loud and saying nothing." Some conservatives insubstantial?  Never. /s

 
 
 
Sparty On
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4.2.14  Sparty On  replied to  CB @4.2.13    3 years ago

Lol .... blah, blah, blah .....

 
 
 
CB
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4.2.15  CB  replied to  Sparty On @4.2.14    3 years ago

LOL! GOP 'Regulars' waiting in the wings for the GOP Extremists and Insurrectionists to finish performing and exit the stage! A more stable (and viewable) political platform is waiting on the sidelines!

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
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4.2.16  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Trout Giggles @4.2.4    3 years ago

Run Sparty...RUNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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4.2.17  Jack_TX  replied to  Trout Giggles @4.2.11    3 years ago
I read eye rolls as rib eyes and was going to ask you why you need a larger rib eye

Reading eye-rolls as ribeyes is an honest mistake.

Askin why a person needs a larger ribeye??  What kind of question is that?

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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4.2.19  Jack_TX  replied to  Texan1211 @4.2.18    3 years ago
Ask me if I like brisket or ribs!!

If you answer "ribs", you damn well better change your username. 

You could be "Tennessean1211", I suppose. jrSmiley_7_smiley_image.png

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
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4.2.20  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Trout Giggles @4.2.11    3 years ago

Did you have a Emily Latilla moment there?

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
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4.2.22  Mark in Wyoming   replied to  Jack_TX @4.2.19    3 years ago

the correct answer is "both " , with a tomahawk steak thrown in for good measure ....

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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4.2.23  Trout Giggles  replied to  Jack_TX @4.2.17    3 years ago

A stupid one

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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4.2.24  Trout Giggles  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @4.2.20    3 years ago

That and blurry eyes

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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4.2.25  Trout Giggles  replied to  Jack_TX @4.2.19    3 years ago

I like ribs a lot if they're done right

 
 
 
Sparty On
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4.2.26  Sparty On  replied to  CB @4.2.15    3 years ago

Lol .... that sad part is that you probably really do believe that steaming pile of partisan bullshit ..... sad indeed

 
 
 
CB
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4.2.27  CB  replied to  Sparty On @4.2.26    3 years ago

You might wish those GOP regulars were not there. But, they are there! And they are waiting for your Trump "agitators" all to leave willingly or get the 'boot'!

 
 
 
Sparty On
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4.2.28  Sparty On  replied to  CB @4.2.27    3 years ago

Lol .... don’t try to put words in my mouth CB.     Doubtful you’ll ever get it right ....

 
 
 
CB
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4.2.29  CB  replied to  Sparty On @4.2.28    3 years ago

Your 'mouth' is not an issue for me, Sparty On. It's January 6, 2022. What significance does it bear for some conservatives? Any event planning? A (high) "hol-i"-day?

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
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4.2.30  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Trout Giggles @4.2.25    3 years ago

I saw a tee shirt the other day....REAL MEN SMELL LIKE BBQ.  I want one for a friend of mine. 

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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4.2.31  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Mark in Wyoming @4.2.22    3 years ago

I'll take the carne asada ribeye myself...

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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4.2.32  1stwarrior  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @4.2.31    3 years ago

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Sparty On
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4.2.33  Sparty On  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @4.2.31    3 years ago

Sous-Vide cooked Filet Mignon to 125 degrees, sear each side and yum!

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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4.2.34  1stwarrior  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @4.2.31    3 years ago

Rare - of course :-)

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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4.2.35  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  1stwarrior @4.2.32    3 years ago

Of course, anything else would be uncivilized!

 
 
 
bbl-1
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5  bbl-1    3 years ago

Straight out of the FSB.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
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5.1  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  bbl-1 @5    3 years ago

FSB?

 
 
 
CB
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6  CB    3 years ago

In the new year, I resolve to do my best to cut through the 'noise' percolating through the political scene. To that end: There is truly something wrong with the republican party which has branded itself property of one stupendously arrogant individual. And what an individual. EVERYBODY with ears and eyes can see EX-president Donald Trump is a prolific liar who has purposed to live out his life in a delusional world of his own creation. It is patently PATHETIC that some conservatives see their fortune living in a 'desolate' mind-melt with a raging fool of a man who is to decency and order what vomit is to fine china.  On being a lying 'wonder':

These some conservatives are not stupid people, per se. How do I know this? Because these same people accepting Trump's lies (they want to) will deny me opportunity to have their blessing for lying to them. They would curse me and condemn me immediately.

Not dumb people; just deliberate!

 
 
 
bbl-1
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6.1  bbl-1  replied to  CB @6    3 years ago

When 'the profit' no longer arrives from the ( LIE ), the lie will die a thousand deaths.  When that time arrives, to those who promoted it will be the time for them to 'gird' themselves against the following wrath freedom and democracy will wage upon them.

 
 
 
CB
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6.1.1  CB  replied to  bbl-1 @6.1    3 years ago

My goodness! It is a LIE exposed and effortlessly occurring in the light of day! Everybody knows it is a LIE! And yet. . . some conservatives' PERSIST with the branded LIE to everyone's faces!

I have to ask. HAVE WE LOSE OUR COUTH IN THIS COUNTRY?!  Tired already of doing right by our fellow man, woman, and children?

Whether than live up to our creed, some conservatives are seriously (and hypocritically) thinking about believing delusions of their past GRANDEUR (a lot of it stolen fortunes) from others and crooked deal-making and they buy-in to this **old fart*** that is self-taught in the art of stealing from others (through the help of lawyers and trained enablers).

I NEVER WOULD HAVE BELIEVED IT! I AM SEEING THIS COUNTRY FREE OF GUILE AND DECEIT FOR THE FIRST TIME IN ITS HISTORY TURNING BACKWARD AND 'PINING' AFTER A 'F-KED UP "LEADER"  WHO PROMISES TYRANNY TO HIS FELLOW AMERICANS AND ALL THE LYING THEY CAN BOTTLE AND SELL AS

MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
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6.1.2  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  bbl-1 @6.1    3 years ago

I would rather see them holding signs on freeway exits...WILL BELIEVE LIES FOR FOOD.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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7  Jeremy Retired in NC    3 years ago
"It's not clear that the Republican Party is willing to accept defeat anymore," 

Apparently the Republican party is more willing than the Democrat Party.  Take a look at the actions of the Democrats between 2016 and 2022.  

This time, experts argue, is different: Never in the country's modern history has a a major party sought to turn the administration of elections into an explicitly partisan act.

Did the "experts" forget about the Meuller "Investigation" and subsequent "impeachment"? 

 
 
 
JBB
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7.1  JBB  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @7    3 years ago

Didnt the gop lose House, Senate and Presidency? 

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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7.1.1  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  JBB @7.1    3 years ago

Yeah they did, but 2022 and 2024 are coming up sooner than most people think. Enjoy it while it lasts, because it won't be for long...

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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7.1.2  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JBB @7.1    3 years ago
are coming up sooner than most people think. Enjo

Yes they did.  and the democrats still ran false investigations into the POTUS and anybody associated with him.  

 
 
 
CB
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7.1.3  CB  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @7.1.1    3 years ago

Ed-NavDoc, is this partisanship on display from you? I'm confused. Are you a centrist? Republican? Republican-leaning? Certainly from what has been coming across your threshold -not a democrat. Clarification needed.

 
 
 
CB
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7.1.4  CB  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @7.1.2    3 years ago

Ridiculous! Wow. Supporting one of the many worse human beings in existence in 'America' (guess who) and doing so without shame. SHAME! It's 2022 you can come back now!

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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7.1.5  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  CB @7.1.3    3 years ago

I am neither a Republican nor a Democrat. I am a registered right leaning Independent.

 
 
 
CB
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7.1.6  CB  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @7.1.5    3 years ago

Who knew "right-leaning" is register -able ? Well blow me down! Can you elucidate how this is exchange qualifies as Independent-minded:

7.1 JBB replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @ 7   8 hours ago

Didnt the gop lose House, Senate and Presidency? 

 
 
 
 
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7.1.1 Ed-NavDoc replied to  JBB @ 7.1   6 hours ago

Yeah they did, but 2022 and 2024 are coming up sooner than most people think. Enjoy it while it lasts, because it won't be for long...

Do correct me: You have a decidedly right-wing determinant 'bent' - and additionally if sacking the Capitol building in D.C. won't cause you to rule out some conservatives' no-platform for the future as a 'gain'. . . you're bagged already by republicans! Go ahead, let me know where am I wrong on this?

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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7.1.7  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  CB @7.1.6    3 years ago

Agree to disagree.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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7.1.8  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  CB @7.1.4    3 years ago
Supporting one of the many worse human beings in existence in 'America' (guess who)

Just supporting a person who, during his 4 year political career did more for me and my co-workers than Democrats have ever done. 

So what don't you like about him?  Could it be because he embarrassed the Democrats and the left so quickly and easily?  Because he exposed the Democrats and the left's bullshit so quickly and easily?  Because, despite a false investigation and partisan bullshit in the media he was still more successful in 4 years than most Democrats are in their entire careers?  

 
 
 
CB
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7.1.9  CB  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @7.1.8    3 years ago

You jest. That's all I got for this one. Believe Trump 'truthful hyperbole.' I can't fix. . . that. I like presidents who at least strive to be honest and decent as a general rule, anyway. Suffice it to say - Donald Trump puts the "oo" in cr-oo-ked!

We asked (pleaded even) for some compromise with Trump but no go. You know why? Because he and his CONSTITUENTS wanted and continue to want to try to force us, liberals, no less, to behave and become CONSERVATIVES.  Hell, y'all will first have to convince vanishing members of the GOP to return before you can indoctrinate liberals to give in to 'Donald' and his 'menagerie.'

 
 
 
MrFrost
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7.1.10  MrFrost  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @7.1.1    3 years ago

Yeah they did, but 2022 and 2024 are coming up sooner than most people think. Enjoy it while it lasts, because it won't be for long...

I wouldn't be so sure. Under trump the GOP lost the senate, the house, the WH and 3.5 million jobs. 

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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7.1.11  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  MrFrost @7.1.10    3 years ago

That is true, but the future and election results are never written in stone.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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7.1.12  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  CB @7.1.9    3 years ago
We asked (pleaded even) for some compromise

Crying and stomping your feet isn't asking or pleading.  It's a temper tantrum.  Something you all have been doing since 2016.  Apparently you (as a group) don't fully grasp the problems that the liberals have brought to the table from 2008 - 2016 and since 2020.  But hey, at least you don't have mean tweets from "orange man".

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
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7.1.13  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  MrFrost @7.1.10    3 years ago

Plus, his supporters are dying in droves due to the CV.  There won't enough of them to judge a two man pissing contest.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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7.2  Ozzwald  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @7    3 years ago
Take a look at the actions of the Democrats between 2016 and 2022.

Yeah let's take a look at those.

Ummm....what actions are we looking at?

 
 
 
Ronin2
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7.2.1  Ronin2  replied to  Ozzwald @7.2    3 years ago

Start with the calls for Trump's impeachment before he even took office; and then trying to force delegates to change their votes over to Hillary.

Donald Trump isn’t even the Republican nominee yet. But his incendiary rhetoric, most notably about killing the families of terrorists and bringing back torture, has critics on the right and the left discussing the most extreme of countermeasures at an unusually early point in the race.

“Impeachment” is already on the lips of pundits, newspaper editorials, constitutional scholars, and even a few members of Congress. From the right, Washington attorney Bruce Fein puts the odds at 50/50 that a President Trump commits impeachable offenses as president. Liberal Florida Rep. Alan Grayson says Trump’s insistence on building a wall at the U.S.-Mexico border, if concrete was poured despite Congress’s opposition, could lead down a path toward impeachment. Even the mainstream Republican head of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce recently tossed out the I-word when discussing the civilian backlash if Trump’s trade war with China led to higher prices on everyday items sold at WalMart and Target. On his radio show last month, Rush Limbaugh even put a very brisk timeline on it: “They’ll be talking impeachment on day two, after the first Trump executive order,” he said.

It’s not unusual for controversial presidents to be shadowed by talk of impeachment, once they’ve been in office long enough to make people mad. But before he’s elected? Before he’s a nominee?

From the moment he took office, Donald Trump’s impeachment was inevitable. Democrats knew it. Republicans knew it too.

Democrats can pretend as though they were willing to give Trump a chance to prove that he could be a better president than they knew in their hearts he was incapable of being. But that would be a lie. Democrats never trusted him — not for a single moment.

This week, House Democrats will get what they have craved for three years. They are expected to vote to impeach the 45th president of the United States.

Supporters of Trump have repeatedly pointed to the fact that Democrats have been urging Trump’s impeachment since he took office — and they’re right. A Democrat-backed website, ImpeachDonaldTrumpNow, launched literally on Inauguration Day 2017. (“From the moment he assumed the office, President Trump has been in direct violation of the US Constitution,” the website reads.)

As Majority Leader Mitch McConnell noted on the Senate floor Thursday, Wednesday’s vote to impeach Trump wasn’t the Democrats’ first. It was their seventh. It’s just the first time they had a majority of members in support.

This impeachment vote was “the predetermined end of a partisan crusade that began before President Trump was even sworn in,” McConnell said.

At least a half-dozen Democratic electors have signed onto an attempt to block Donald Trump from winning an Electoral College majority, an effort designed not only to deny Trump the presidency but also to undermine the legitimacy of the institution.

The presidential electors, mostly former Bernie Sanders supporters who hail from Washington state and Colorado, are now lobbying their Republican counterparts in other states to reject their oaths — and in some cases, state law — to vote against Trump when the Electoral College meets on Dec. 19.

Even the most optimistic among the Democratic electors acknowledges they're unlikely to persuade the necessary 37 Republican electors to reject Trump — the number they'd likely need to deny him the presidency and send the final decision to the House of Representatives. And even if they do, the Republican-run House might simply elect Trump anyway.

But the Democratic electors are convinced that even in defeat, their efforts would erode confidence in the Electoral College and fuel efforts to eliminate it, ending the body’s 228-year run as the only official constitutional process for electing the president. With that goal in mind, the group is also contemplating encouraging Democratic electors to oppose Hillary Clinton and partner with Republicans in support of a consensus pick like Mitt Romney or John Kasich.

Millions of people have signed a petition to demand that the electoral college change their votes to Hillary Clinton. At the time of writing, more than 4.3 million people are asking the electoral college across the US, which meets on 19 December in each state, to vote for the Democrat instead of Donald Trump.

There are large-scale movements afoot, such as a Change.org petition , with 4.9 million people encouraging electors to vote for Hillary Clinton, the popular-vote winner, and another arguing that electors should select a “compromise candidate.” There are also organizations, such as the Hamilton Electors , encouraging electors to act independently of so-called “faithless elector” laws, and at least one lawsuit that argues such laws are unconstitutional. (It’s on appeal to the 9th Circuit.)

In the 2016 presidential election, Trump won 304 electoral votes to Hillary Clinton 's 227. During the joint session on January 6, 2017, seven House Democrats tried to object to electoral votes from multiple states.

According to a C-SPAN recording of the joint session that took place four years ago, the following House Democrats made objections:

  • Jim McGovern (D-Mass.) objected to Alabama's votes.
  • Jamie Raskin (D-Md.) objected to Florida's votes.
  • Pramila Jayapal (D-Wash.) objected to Georgia's votes.
  • Raul Grijalva (D-Ariz.) objected to North Carolina's votes.
  • Sheila Jackson Lee (D-Texas) objected to the votes from North Carolina in addition to votes from South Carolina and Wisconsin. She also stood up and objected citing "massive voter suppression" after Mississippi's votes were announced.
  • Barbara Lee (D-Calif.) brought up allegations of Russian interference in the election and malfunctioning voting machines when she objected following the announcement of Michigan's votes.
  • Maxine Waters (D-Calif) rose and said, "I do not wish to debate. I wish to ask 'Is there one United States senator who will join me in this letter of objection?'" after the announcement of Wyoming's votes.
For an objection to be considered, it must be submitted in writing and signed by a member of both the House and Senate . Because no senators signed onto the objections made by House Democrats in 2017, then-Vice President Biden by law denied all of the objections, repeatedly saying "there is no debate."

Hillary still hasn't accept that she lost; she and her minions still rant that the election was "stolen from her". She has never recognized Trump as president. She didn't even have a concession speech written.

Hillary Clinton says she has been telling candidates seeking the 2020 Democratic nomination that even if they run a perfect campaign, the election could be "stolen" from them, implying that was what befell her in 2016. 

Clinton said Saturday that she has been pouring over special counsel Robert Mueller's 448-page report on the Russian government's "sweeping and systematic" interference in the 2016 election and that she fears the same tactics will be "alive and well" in 2020. 

"You can run the best campaign, you can even become the nominee, and you can have the election stolen from you," she said to cheers on the Los Angeles stop of her "Evening with the Clintons" tour with her husband, former President Bill Clinton. 

Now throw in the bullshit Mueller investigation- which the FBI used the debunked Steele Dossier paid for by the Hillary Clinton campaign to gain FISA warrants to tap Trump campaign lines; and those close to him. Mueller couldn't prove collusion; because none existed- so they switched over to obstruction; which they not only failed to prove- but using the Democrat standards during the Clinton impeachment, Trump didn't even come close to committing.

TDS driven Democrats and their lemmings can try to rewrite history all they want. They will forever fail. 

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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7.2.2  Ozzwald  replied to  Ronin2 @7.2.1    3 years ago
Start with the calls for Trump's impeachment before he even took office

Your articles don't mention ANY democrats calling for his impeachment before he took office.  It just claimed that some, unnamed ones did.

Now you want to try some specific verifiable actions, or just continue with right wing conspiracy theories?  Oh, and BTW, even if you do come up with 1 or 2 quotes, it is a very common thing from opposing parties. 

So it is kind of hypocritical to call that action as bad, when you don't call the same action as bad when done by your supported party.

A Brief History of GOP Calls for Obama's Impeachment, From Benghazi to Bergdahl

New group of GOP lawmakers file articles of impeachment against Biden

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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7.2.3  Greg Jones  replied to  Ozzwald @7.2.2    3 years ago

Come December, the Republican controlled House will start impeachment hearings against Biden. The Republican controlled Senate will vote to impeach.

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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7.2.4  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Greg Jones @7.2.3    3 years ago

384

 
 
 
Snuffy
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7.2.5  Snuffy  replied to  Greg Jones @7.2.3    3 years ago

I hope not.  I don't like Biden and really didn't want him in the Oval Office, but this will look too much like playing partisan politics.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
7.2.6  CB  replied to  Greg Jones @7.2.3    3 years ago

And this is one reason (other is republican legislatures have no good and fair policy prescriptions for this nation but are firing from their shameless lips) why republicans and conservatives do not deserve to be in charge of a damn thing.

Independent voters, c'mon be decent and wholesome in 2022. Show republicans and conservatives who are pushing the extremes the 'back' of your votes for a change!

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
7.2.7  CB  replied to  Snuffy @7.2.5    3 years ago

It will be partisan and a true "witch-hunt" and you know something else- in the ensuing two years all of us (old folks) will have paid professionals to bull patty their way through two more years of our life-lines. This, from people who keep harking about millions wasted and not available for the future generations. What a bunch of lousy, hypocrites who are too engaged in "acting" that they do not even recognize the shame that is encrusted on themselves!

Fools! Some conservatives will not get away with any of it!

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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7.2.9  Ozzwald  replied to  Greg Jones @7.2.3    3 years ago
Come December, the Republican controlled House will start impeachment hearings against Biden.

Sure they will, if that makes you feel better, you go just ahead and keep believing that.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
7.2.10  Ozzwald  replied to  Texan1211 @7.2.8    3 years ago
Biden certainly doesn't seem too concerned about independent voters. His ratings with them have taken a serious nosedive, and I see no efforts by the Administration to alleviate the problem.

Should any Trump supporter really be talking about ratings?  Just asking.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
7.2.12  Ozzwald  replied to  Texan1211 @7.2.11    3 years ago
We can recognize two different subjects of the ratings.

2 different subjects, or 2 different perceptions?  (i.e. ratings don't count for Trump, but they do count for Biden?)

BTFW, does supporting Trump make Biden's ratings change?

Does supporting Biden make Trump's ratings change?

Or just couldn't help yourself from blurting out "Trump" again?

Don't care about Trump, but just absolutely love rubbing hypocrites noses in their hypocritical examples.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
7.2.13  CB  replied to  Texan1211 @7.2.8    3 years ago

And what do "do as we say and not as we do" some conservatives tolerate, please clarify the republican platform ahead of 2022, Texan! Do try (anyway).

I, we, liberals, try to not mind conservatives and even show love in this life, but y'all ain't having any of it from us! It's opposition and trafficking in trashiness and counterprogramming all the time from the Right.

We're not kissing backsides this year (too much at stake for the nation and the world) and we can't get down on the floor to be walked (stomped) on, therefore, I guess COMPROMISE is something we all need to get back (use) to as progress.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
7.2.16  CB  replied to  Texan1211 @7.2.15    3 years ago

Noise: definition: 'A big waste of time and energy.' 

Texan, this year I am not into "empty can sounds."

Empty Aluminum Cans Rattling Sound Effect Free High Quality Sound FX
 
 
 
MrFrost
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7.2.18  MrFrost  replied to  Greg Jones @7.2.3    3 years ago
Come December, the Republican controlled House will start impeachment hearings against Biden.

For what? Please be specific.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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7.2.19  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Texan1211 @7.2.8    3 years ago

Yep, Independents be decent. It's almost like hearing just make sure you vote our way or not at all, otherwise you are not relevant! I find that highly comical and hypocritical at the same time...

 
 
 
Sparty On
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7.2.20  Sparty On  replied to  MrFrost @7.2.18    3 years ago

No problem.    

They’ll follow the template created by Democrats in the previous four years and just make some shit up.

 
 
 
MrFrost
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7.2.21  MrFrost  replied to  Sparty On @7.2.20    3 years ago

So in other words, you have nothing. Got it. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
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7.2.22  Sparty On  replied to  MrFrost @7.2.21    3 years ago

Nah but you are clearly in serious denial there Frosty ..... no other realistic  way to look at it.

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
7.2.23  MrFrost  replied to  Sparty On @7.2.22    3 years ago

Nah but you are clearly in serious denial there Frosty ..... no other realistic  way to look at it.

I asked for specific charges for impeachment. You gave me nothing at all. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Expert
7.2.24  Sparty On  replied to  MrFrost @7.2.23    3 years ago

Nah, not nothing.

 
I gave you the Democrat “make shit up” template.

Worked for those crackpots.

 
 
 
CB
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8  CB    3 years ago

Congress - the "people's house" is a damn joke. State houses are a damn joke. Life in 'America' is becoming a proverb! Oh how low the mighty nation that once was has fallen even soon to be the last great nation in a listing of nations.

 
 

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