Ukraine's Neo-Nazis
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Putin resolves to "denazify" Ukraine
Just recently the world media featured this sweet old great grandma, 78 year old Valentina Konstaninovska carrying an AK 47 and swearing to defend Ukraine. The 'awww' response would have been tempered had the facts been disseminated by the same media that reported her being trained along with other Ukrainians to face the Russian troops in true journalistic fashion. However, some like the Daily Mail did point out that the shoulder-flashes worn by the soldiers on film displayed "a sinister, jagged symbol called the 'Wolfsangel'. This is an explicitly Nazi emblem, originally used by Hitler's 'Das Reich' Waffen SS division."
As the Daily Mail UK pointed out very rightly in referring to the coverage of the current crisis "one of these opinions is the ridiculous cartoon idea that Russia is like Mordor in Lord Of The Rings, an utterly evil country ruled by a Dark Monster. And that Ukraine, its current enemy, is by contrast a shining Utopia, pluckily defending itself against the orc-like hordes of Moscow. This explains why the BBC were so keen to use this film, in which a Brave Granny Gets Her Gun. 'Brave Granny Gets Her Gun From Some Neo-Nazis' is not quite the same, is it?"
It isn't. In a war that is being propagated by the world media without context or history (Read here) sides are being taken on the basis of wrong information, fake videos, half truths and coverage that presents a black and white picture justifying war and conflict. Moving away from the narrative of peace, the global media is creating a justification for violence - regardless of who is in the lead— that legalises the expansion of Nato and normalises its attacks on sovereign countries like Iraq, Syria, Libya, Yugoslavia (and of course Yemen) to name a few.
Russian President Vladimir Putin in his recent broadcast spoke of the neo-Nazis in Ukraine and his resolve to de-nazify, and of course demilitarise, the country that has wilfully become the arena for a confrontation that is essentially between the US and Russia:
"I would like to additionally emphasise the following. Focused on their own goals, the leading NATO countries are supporting the far-right nationalists and neo-Nazis in Ukraine, those who will never forgive the people of Crimea and Sevastopol for freely making a choice to reunite with Russia.
They will undoubtedly try to bring war to Crimea just as they have done in Donbass, to kill innocent people just as members of the punitive units of Ukrainian nationalists and Hitler's accomplices did during the Great Patriotic War. They have also openly laid claim to several other Russian regions.
If we look at the sequence of events and the incoming reports, the showdown between Russia and these forces cannot be avoided. It is only a matter of time. They are getting ready and waiting for the right moment. Moreover, they went as far as to aspire to acquire nuclear weapons. We will not let this happen.
…. The purpose of this operation is to protect people who, for eight years now, have been facing humiliation and genocide perpetrated by the Kiev regime. To this end, we will seek to demilitarize and denazify Ukraine, as well as bring to trial those who perpetrated numerous bloody crimes against civilians, including against citizens of the Russian Federation.
I would also like to address the military personnel of the Ukrainian Armed Forces.
Comrade officers,
Your fathers, grandfathers and great-grandfathers did not fight the Nazi occupiers and did not defend our common Motherland to allow today's neo-Nazis to seize power in Ukraine. You swore the oath of allegiance to the Ukrainian people and not to the junta, the people's adversary which is plundering Ukraine and humiliating the Ukrainian people."
There is scant reference by the global media to the neo-nazis Putin tried to spotlight in his world address. Ukraine is the only country in the world with a neo-nazi military unit, Azov. And that it is very active is confirmed by various reports, including a national guard tweet that has been training civilians against Russia for a long while now.
The Azov unit are declared ultra-nationalists, neo-Nazis with a white supremacist ideology. It's background is interesting. It came out of two xenophobic and neo-Nazi groups, the Patriot of Ukraine and the Social National Assembly. It was formed in May 2014 and projected at the time as a volunteer group. And within months, November 2014 this group was integrated into the National Guard of Ukraine under then President Petro Poroshenko who showered high praise on them.
The unit of course denies being pro-Nazi but this is belied by its uniform that flashes the Nazi swastika and the SS signs. Despite the denial there is enough by way of interviews in the public domain from its members to underline its ideology that has created terror in parts of Ukraine. The media carried reports in January 2018 of Azov's street patrol (national Druzyna) for law and order where it attacked the Roma and the LGBTQ communities.
Significantly in 2016 the United Nations Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights had brought out a report where it documented the "extensive use of civilian buildings and locations by the Ukrainian military and the Azov regiment, and looting of civilian property, leading to displacement." This was largely in Donetsk city that Putin has declared as independent now.
The report stated, "prima facie civilian buildings in Donetsk city, such as residential buildings, a shelter for homeless people 16, and a former art gallery17, continued to be used by armed groups…"
The world that has gone silent today is, however, very aware of the Azov regiment and its activities. A year after its induction into the Ukraine army Canada and the United States announced that they would not support or train this neo-Nazi unit. However, the Pentagon that often rules the White House would have none of it and Washington soon revoked the ban. And since then Azov has grown in stature and support, becoming what the Time described as the "hub for the far right across the world."
US Congressmen have off and on tried to get Azov declared as a "foreign terrorist organisation" but to no avail. Interestingly Azov has been very active on Facebook, so much so that the social media giant was pressured to ban it. It did so, but has restored Azov now after the war began. "For the time being, we are making a narrow exception for praise of the Azov regiment strictly in the context of defending Ukraine, or in their role as part of the Ukraine national guard," a spokesperson from Facebook's parent company, Meta, told Business Insider.
Israel has played it both ways, and not so long ago Haaretz reported that 40 plus human rights organisations filed a petition before the High Court of Justice demanding that Tel Aviv stop exporting arms to Ukraine because these were also arming Azov. The Israeli Defence Ministry had ignored similar petitions earlier. This time around it seems that Israel has been forced to take action and has blocked the supply of arms to Ukraine currently. The Ukraine government has been very protective of Azov through the years.
"For the time being, we are making a narrow exception for praise of the Azov regiment strictly in the context of defending Ukraine, or in their role as part of the Ukraine national guard," a spokesperson from Facebook's parent company, Meta, told Business Insider.
Foreign fighters have been recruited in large numbers and are trained by the neo-Nazis. Estimates place the numbers at 20,000. The world has ignored this completely with the activities of violence recorded, and yet only as whispers in the global domain. There has been evidence that the perpetrators of major acts of violence in the world had received their training from Ukraine's neo-Nazi militias but even so the support continues, and grows.
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It's been shocking to watch liberals and conservatives change their social media profiles in the west to display Ukrainian flags, Unaware of Ukraine's history the last 80 years.
When Nazi Germany rolled in to Ukraine in WWII, Ukraine collaborated with Nazis and slaughtered tens of thousands of Jews. After the war the west funded White Nationalists and used them to gain intel on Russia. The recent political revolution was funded by the West and the American CIA. The current government was installed by the West and tolerated by the largest number of Nationalists in the Ukraine only to gain support by the west.
While Russia claims to denazify Ukraine, that isn't the reason for the invasion although Ukraine is the epicenter of White Nationalism and Nazism in the modern world. The real reason is the West has been using Ukraine as a cash siphon and a source to agitate Russia promising military protection and membership to the EU and NAto
While the invasion is abhorrent, the West was warned for 20 years and violated agreements with Russia. Russia was promised Ukraine would not become part of Europe or Nato. They gave up nuclear weapons to Russia on this very agreement.
Ukraine is a corrupt country and the West has abused Ukraine's turmoil to profit promising them protection. The factions and militias in Ukraine don't deserve consideration for Nato or the West's protection as long as White supremacy and Neo Nazi ideology reign among large numbers of the population.
Hate is not compatible with the west. The only reason it is tolerated is because of the earning potential the west has enjoyed promising Ukraine things that will never happen.
A simple google on the subject will show tons of articles from the MSM from as recent as 2018 on this topic. It's surprising to see them forget their own reporting on this. Ukraine isn't the country they are telling us it is today. The BBC, Reuters, NYT, MSNBC, ABC, NBC, and CNN authored several alarming articles on the population of Ukraine up until recently. Now it has all changed. Do a little research, learn the history. It's shocking.
the only thing missing are their maga hats...
Apparently many Jews would disagree with Moose-Knuckle:
Jewish groups raise over £2m for Ukraine in 48 hours Since Ukraine crowdfunding campaigns were launched by Jewish groups on Sunday morning, they quickly surpassed original goals.
“The world has been gripped by the tragic events taking place in Ukraine," CharityExtra Founder Yitzi Bude said. "The harrowing footage and images coming out of the country show just how much the Ukrainian people need our help.
"It was a no-brainer for us to help in the best way we could and we have been overwhelmed by the incredible reaction from the public," he said. "We are all humans and it is deplorable that such events can still take place in the 21st century. We must do all we can to help.”
Articles on the population of Ukraine up until recently . Now it has all changed. Do a little research, learn the history. It's shocking.
As mentioned, America also still has neo-Nazis.
But that's the present...up until recently there were a lot more.
And I did the research and I learned the history (this article is from February 20, 1939!)-- and yes, I found this to be really shocking as well!
(Perhaps even more shocking than what happened in Europe-- as this was happening right here in the U.S.A. !!!
AMERICA's NEO-NAZIS
From the History Channel:
Americans hold a Nazi rally in Madison Square Garden
Larry Froeber/NY Daily News Archive/Getty Images
Six and a half months before Adolf Hitler invaded Poland, New York City’s Madison Square Garden hosted a rally to celebrate the rise of Nazism in Germany. Inside, more than 20,000 attendees raised Nazi salutes toward a 30-foot-tall portrait of George Washington flanked by swastikas. Outside, police and some 100,000 protestors gathered.
The organization behind the February 20, 1939 event—advertised on the arena’s marquee as a “Pro American Rally”—was the German American Bund (“Bund” is German for “federation”). The anti-semitic organization held Nazi summer camps for youth and their families during the 1930s.
The Bund’s youth members were present that night, as were the Ordnungsdienst, or OD, the group’s vigilante police force who dressed in the style of Hitler’s SS officers. Banners at the rally had messages like “Stop Jewish Domination of Christian Americans” and “Wake Up America. Smash Jewish Communism.”
When the Bund’s national leader, Fritz Kuhn, gave his closing speech, he referred to President Franklin Delano Roosevelt as “Rosenfield,” and Manhattan District Attorney Thomas Dewey as “Thomas Jewey.”
What has really been shocking is to see conservatives trying to slander Ukranians who don't want to be Russian vassals as Nazis.
So far, from what I have seen, that seems to be the most thought out link between to current Ukranian goverment and Nazis yet. It is, of course, absolutely retarded. I guess using that type of thinking all American southerner's are actually racists traitors, cuz, you know, retarded thinking.
Ukiraine isn't perfect, not by a long shot, but that doesn't mean we should excuse a struggling democracy being invaded by an authoritarian country. The Putin apologists are really just sad.
Ah, don't like reality?
Neither do those people that the Ukrainian fascists have harassed, provoked, and displaced. The Ukrainian government has more than tolerated their Fascist element, simply because their militias fight Russians. Ukraine outlawed the communist party- but not Nazi or Fascists ones.
Ukraine is a Democracy in name only; no matter how you want to spin it. Democracies don't shut down opposition media. Nor do they arrest political opponents on flimsy charges that not even the EU bought.
But slap a label of Ukraine being a country "transitioning to Democracy" and it makes all of the fascism go away./S
Grab a hammer and spike and drill this into the heads of 99.9 percent of the leftist posters on NT. They think the civil war is still going; and the south should be treated as traitors. Show the Confederate Flag and they will be convulsing on the floor. Show anyone having the audacity to question the federal government (only when a Democrat is in charge that is) and they will be instantly labeled a traitor. The fact that you even thought to compare Southerners to Ukrainians that accept hard core Fascists is telling.
You are still very far off by several more long shots.
Some of us still remember supporting the Taliban and Al Qaeda against the Russians- their virtues were even extolled in a Rambo movie. How did that turn out for the US again?
Those that don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it. I am sure the same things were said about those that were against supporting the Taliban and Al Qaeda, because they didn't share any of our beliefs or values.
Ukraine can fight Russia. No one is going to stop it. But as far as sending them advanced military weapons and training their fascist militias- nope. Those now crying for a no fly zone over Ukraine need an education as well. WWIII over Ukraine shouldn't even be on the table.
Sounds like the white supremacists in the US except the one in the Ukraine fight and kill Russians, here they are a bunch of cowards.
Is the Nazi party outlawed in the US? How about the Socialist Party? We must still be transitioning to Democery I guess.
It is amazing that there are Americans who openly suck up to Russia. One can only conclude it is somehow connected to America's biggest national failing, racism.
Since this seed is about "Ukraine's Neo-Nazis" I think its only appropriate that we put this in perspective-- so here's some related information:
‘Jews will not replace us’: Why white supremacists go after Jews
Several hundred white nationalists and white supremacists carrying torches march in a parade at the University of Virginia. (Evelyn Hockstein for The Washington Post)
Jews and non-Jews are drawn to debates about whether Jews are white. It’s the sort of question that captivates academics and activists, roping in everyone from Israeli “Wonder Woman” actress Gal Gadot to African American literary luminary James Baldwin.
Personally, I’ve found this debate beside the point, and this weekend’s disturbing events in Charlottesville perfectly illustrate why: The white supremacists have already made their decision.
When white nationalists descended upon the historic Virginia city to protest the removal of a statue of Confederate general Robert E. Lee, their “Unite the Right” rally gathered a veritable who’s who of top neo-Nazis in the United States, including Ku Klux Klan Grand Wizard David Duke and alt-right leading light Richard Spencer, among others.
For those unfamiliar with this "Jews Will Not Replace Us" rally in C'ville-- you may remeber it as the one where American President Trump famously said:
And there were good people on both sides.
So yes-- there are neo-Nazis in America!
Either that-- or they spend too much time watching Fox News.
Okay but show me they are fascists first off. No one has even tried to do that yet. What are their ideological beliefs?
I'm gonna ignore the rest of your post because all you do is call the current Ukranian government fascists (props autocrat cheerleader), but never actually say how or why they are fascists.
Holy fuck Drama Queen, chill out. Seriously? Talk about going from like 2 to 20,000 in 3 seconds.
Vastly different situations. You are an idiot for even comparing the two.
Lol so wait, predominantly christian, white, europeans, who want to move closer to the west as far as international relations, business, and culture are concerned don't share your beliefs or values? Need an explanation there dude.
What country is The Cituzen sourced from? Russia?
One thing is sure. This is not an American's opinion!
Have you started a pro-Kremlin group at NT yet?
Seema Mustafa, Editor-in-Chief and founder of The Citizen, is a communist ... it comes as no surprise that she echoes Putin.
I'd be ashamed to spread our enemy's propaganda!
Seems down right unAmerican that it is even here...
Well, Fox News does it all the time!
Remember at the beginning of the current situation-- how they were full of praise for Putin?
(And they kept push the MAGA-cults party line: "That Ukraine wasn't our fight"...etc etc. Which was of course exacltly parroted by their minions on social media sites).