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U.S. crude oil jumps to $125 a barrel, a 13-year high on possible Western ban of Russian oil

  

Category:  News & Politics

Via:  vic-eldred  •  2 years ago  •  153 comments

By:   Tanaya Macheel (CNBC)

U.S. crude oil jumps to $125 a barrel, a 13-year high on possible Western ban of Russian oil
U.S. oil surged on Sunday evening as the market continued to weigh supply disruptions from Russia in its ongoing war with Ukraine.

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U.S. crude oil surged more than 8% in early trading on Sunday evening as the market continued to react to supply disruptions stemming from Russia's ongoing invasion of Ukraine and the possibility of a ban on Russian oil and natural gas.

West Texas Intermediate crude futures, the U.S. oil benchmark, traded 8% higher to above $125 a barrel, the highest since mid-2008. At one point the price topped $130 a barrel.

The international benchmark, Brent crude, traded 9% higher to $128.60, also the highest price seen since 2008.

"Oil is rising on the prospect for a full embargo of Russian oil and products," said John Kilduff of Again Capital. "Already high gasoline prices are going to keep going up in a jarring fashion. Prices in some states will be pushing $5 pretty quickly."



The U.S. and its allies are considering banning Russian oil and natural gas imports, Secretary of State Antony Blinken said in an interview with CNN's "State of the Union" on Sunday.


"We are now talking to our European partners and allies to look in a coordinated way at the prospect of banning the import of Russian oil while making sure that there is still an appropriate supply of oil on world markets," he said. "That's a very active discussion as we speak."

While Western sanctions against Russia have so far allowed the country's energy trade to continue, most buyers are avoiding Russian products already. Sixty-six percent of Russian oil is struggling to find buyers, according to JPMorgan analysis.

The U.S. average for a gallon of gas topped $4 on Sunday, according to AAA, in a rapid move due to the conflict. The underlying cost of oil accounts for more than 50% of the cost of gas that consumers put in their cars.


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Vic Eldred
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1  seeder  Vic Eldred    2 years ago

From the day he took office, Biden has pursued the fantasy green energy policy of the radical left.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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1.1  Greg Jones  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    2 years ago

They worry more about global warming than people going hungry.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
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1.2  Thrawn 31  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    2 years ago

No he hasn't. 

 
 
 
bbl-1
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2  bbl-1    2 years ago

More war profiteering and that is the extent of this.

After all, it is patriotic to lose a leg or your life for your country---------but not patriotic for the very rich to sacrifice a penny for their country.  The typical double standard proffered by the American right wing.

 
 
 
MonsterMash
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2.1  MonsterMash  replied to  bbl-1 @2    2 years ago
After all, it is patriotic to lose a leg or your life for your country---------but not patriotic for the very rich to sacrifice a penny for their country.  The typical double standard proffered by the American right wing.

The poor and middle class are the ones hurt by high gas prices (the ones Democrats pretend to care about) The rich don't care how high gas go. 

 
 
 
bbl-1
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2.1.1  bbl-1  replied to  MonsterMash @2.1    2 years ago

I understand that you completely miss the point of what I said.  But that is alright, I received exactly what I expected.

 
 
 
Ronin2
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2.1.2  Ronin2  replied to  bbl-1 @2.1.1    2 years ago

That is OK, we all know the left doesn't understand how a free economy works; or how the price of oil and gas are established. 

We also know that Brandon took actions as soon as he took office to diminish the US supply of oil and gas. We are now paying for those actions; and we damn well know who to hold responsible at mid terms.

 
 
 
Kavika
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2.1.3  Kavika   replied to  Ronin2 @2.1.2    2 years ago
That is OK, we all know the left doesn't understand how a free economy works; or how the price of oil and gas are established. 

It would be best before you accuse others of not understanding how the price of oil and gas is established that you understand it yourself. Seems that throwing shit at the wall and hoping it will stick is the extent of your knowledge. 

 
 
 
bugsy
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2.1.4  bugsy  replied to  Kavika @2.1.3    2 years ago

When a sitting president reverses all of the energy policies that made this country independent the day he took office, and the price of gas was immediately affected, then we fully understand who is responsible for the rise in prices.

 
 
 
Kavika
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2.1.5  Kavika   replied to  bugsy @2.1.4    2 years ago

More BS....You realize that in 2021 the US was the largest producer of oil and a net exporter of oil, don't you?

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.1.6  Tessylo  replied to  Kavika @2.1.5    2 years ago

"More BS....You realize that in 2021 the US was the largest producer of oil and a net exporter of oil, don't you?"

That's all they got plus I can't believe the outright lie that is being peddled by certain folks that whatshisname made us energy independent.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.1.7  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Tessylo @2.1.6    2 years ago

You obviously don't see the correlation between BEING ENERGY INDEPENDENT and LARGEST PRODUCER OF OIL AND NET EXPORTER OF OIL.  

 
 
 
Gordy327
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2.1.8  Gordy327  replied to  bugsy @2.1.4    2 years ago

When have we been energy independent?

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.1.9  Tessylo  replied to  Gordy327 @2.1.8    2 years ago

Never but that doesn't stop certain posters from saying that over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
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2.1.10  Thrawn 31  replied to  bugsy @2.1.4    2 years ago
When a sitting president reverses all of the energy policies that made this country independent

You don't know how global markets work. 

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
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2.1.11  Thrawn 31  replied to  Kavika @2.1.5    2 years ago

No he doesn't. Many on the right here seem to not have the faintest understanding of how the global oil market operates.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
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2.1.12  Thrawn 31  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.1.7    2 years ago

You obviously don't see the correlation between BEING ENERGY INDEPENDENT and LARGEST PRODUCER OF OIL AND NET EXPORTER OF OIL.  

Because unless you are suggesting that all the oil based products consumed in the US were produced using only domestic sources, there isn't one. 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.1.13  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Thrawn 31 @2.1.12    2 years ago

So you don't see the correlation either.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
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2.1.14  Thrawn 31  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.1.13    2 years ago

You are inventing a correlation. The US can pump out more and more oil, and lower gas prices (provided other nations don't reduce their output) but we will not achieve energy independence. The only possible way for the US to be energy independent is for all of our energy needs to be met by domestic sources. That is an impossible task. Even if we drilled in every possible spot and pumped out every possible ounce of oil we could I don't, think that we would be able to meet domestic demand. 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.1.15  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Thrawn 31 @2.1.14    2 years ago

Then I recommend you phone a friend to explain it to you.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.2  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  bbl-1 @2    2 years ago
More war profiteering and that is the extent of this.

It takes profound hutzpah for Biden and the left to try and blame oil companies or the war for what he has done. It is he his team’s anti-oil animus that has driven fuel costs skyward. In fewer than 11 months, this administration has: 

  • Killed the Keystone XL pipeline. 
  • Threatened to plug the Canada-to-Michigan Enbridge Line 5 pipeline. 

  • Halted oil leases in a sliver of Alaska’s Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.

  • Stopped oil and gas leases on federal lands.

  • Proposed a methane tax that could cost this industry up to %10 Billion a year.

  • Encouraged left-wing activists to pressure financiers to defund oil companies.


    And it was not unexpected:


  • Biden himself told New Hampshire voters in September 2019: “I guarantee you. "We're going to end fossil fuels!"

  • Energy Secretary Jennifer Granholm, while Michigan’s governor, said in November 2016, “We ought to be doing everything we possibly can to 
  • "keep fossil energy fuel in the ground!"

  • Saule Omarova — Biden’s Kazakh-born, Soviet-educated, Brezhnev-flavored nominee for comptroller of the currency — spoke in February about fossil-fuel companies: "We want them to go bankrupt if we want to tackle climate change."
 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.2.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.2    2 years ago
Biden and the left to try and blame

Biden and the left lost all chances of blaming anybody when the EO's were signed for much of that in the 1st week of this train wreck of an administration.  

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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2.2.2  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.2    2 years ago
  • Killed the Keystone XL pipeline. 

We already get oil from the first parts of the Keystone.

  • Threatened to plug the Canada-to-Michigan Enbridge Line 5 pipeline. 

Proof? We are still getting oil from that line.

  • Halted oil leases in a sliver of Alaska’s Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.

Yup, because the oil companies have leases already that they are NOT using.

  • Stopped oil and gas leases on federal lands.
    Please read above.
  • Proposed a methane tax that could cost this industry up to %10 Billion a year.

Again, Yup, because the oil companies have leases already that they are NOT using.

First of all it was a proposition. Second, methane should be contained. The industry does what is good for the industry. They are exporting gas when they should be keeping it in the country right now.

  • Encouraged left-wing activists to pressure financiers to defund oil companies.

Proof.


And it was not unexpected:


  • Biden himself told New Hampshire voters in September 2019: “I guarantee you. "We're going to end fossil fuels!"

  • Energy Secretary Jennifer Granholm, while Michigan’s governor, said in November 2016, “We ought to be doing everything we possibly can to 
  • "keep fossil energy fuel in the ground!"

  • Saule Omarova — Biden’s Kazakh-born, Soviet-educated, Brezhnev-flavored nominee for comptroller of the currency — spoke in February about fossil-fuel companies: "We want them to go bankrupt   if we want to tackle climate change."

All yesterday's news.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.2.3  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.2.2    2 years ago
Again, Yup, because the oil companies have leases already that they are NOT using.

Have you ever checked to see why oil companies are NOT using those leases? Industry analysts say there are various good reasons, but even if Biden were to do something to encourage production, they would not invest the money because they can't trust him to keep it going.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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2.2.4  Split Personality  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.2.3    2 years ago

They would be re-investing the $ 21 Billion dollars we give them subsidies,

Federal Oil and Gas Subsidies: Fact vs. Fiction (enverus.com)

2/3s to 3/4s of the oil leases sit undeveloped, it isn't a new problem

and lobbying always prevents BLM from enforcing the law.

Most oil leases on public lands go unused (nbcnews.com)

Have you ever checked to see why oil companies are NOT using those leases? Industry analysts say there are various good reasons, but even if Biden were to do something to encourage production,

Meh,

they would not invest the money because they can't trust him to keep it going.

Why make up partisan BS for a decades old issue that has nothing to do with

who's sitting in the Oval office.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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3  Right Down the Center    2 years ago

256

 
 
 
bbl-1
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3.1  bbl-1  replied to  Right Down the Center @3    2 years ago

Okay.  Right down 'the middle' of what?

 
 
 
Krishna
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3.1.1  Krishna  replied to  bbl-1 @3.1    2 years ago

       He's trying to make us believe he a "moderate".

 
 
 
bbl-1
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3.1.2  bbl-1  replied to  Krishna @3.1.1    2 years ago

OIC.  Well, there it is.  There you have it.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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3.1.3  Right Down the Center  replied to  bbl-1 @3.1    2 years ago

The center

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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3.1.4  Right Down the Center  replied to  Krishna @3.1.1    2 years ago

[deleted]

 
 
 
Krishna
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3.1.5  Krishna  replied to  bbl-1 @3.1    2 years ago
Right down 'the middle' of what?

Right down the middle of the far right apparently.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3.1.6  Tessylo  replied to  Krishna @3.1.1    2 years ago

" He's trying to make us believe he a "moderate".

No one with a lick of sense believes that for a second.  

 
 
 
Steve Ott
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4  Steve Ott    2 years ago

O&G companies hold some 13 million acres of leases, some for as long as 40 years, that have not been drilled or explored. It is not the President who sets oil prices.

If you have a complaint, it is with the robber barons running those companies, not the government, whoever is in charge.

 
 
 
Kavika
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4.1  Kavika   replied to  Steve Ott @4    2 years ago

As the stat shows the number of active operating wells is still well below the pandemic level.

Number of United States oil and gas rigs in operation at the end of each month from December 2019 to February 2022

as the report shows we are still well below pumping oil wells vs pre pandemic. 

Time for the oil companies to quit whining and start pumping.

 
 
 
bbl-1
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4.1.1  bbl-1  replied to  Kavika @4.1    2 years ago

Yeah, Ingraham's "Shut up and dribble," comes to mind, right?

 
 
 
Krishna
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4.1.2  Krishna  replied to  bbl-1 @4.1.1    2 years ago
Yeah, Ingraham's "Shut up and dribble,"

For her, it might be more a case of "foaming at the mouth" rather than merely dribbling...!

 
 
 
Ronin2
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4.1.3  Ronin2  replied to  Kavika @4.1    2 years ago

They won't start pumping until it is profitable for them to do so. Restarting old wells isn't cheap; and with the new methane restrictions Biden put in place the number of wells that are financially feasible to start is diminished.

 
 
 
Kavika
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4.1.4  Kavika   replied to  Ronin2 @4.1.3    2 years ago
They won't start pumping until it is profitable for them to do so.

Finally, you may have actually started to understand how the oil market works.

Now we can work on your inability to understand the government leasing federal lands for oil exploration. First off Biden has granted more federal leases than Trump did in his first year. There are leases on 13 million acres of land that are not being used some quite old. 

Keystone pipeline. The current pipelines that were expanded will handle more oil than Keystone would have if built and completed. Currently, in the US there are 19 pipelines in 2021 being built or expanded. BTW the current usage of the existing pipelines in the US is 50%...

I've posted links to all of the above numerous times, so I won't be doing it again since many on NT don't read them and continue with their BS comments.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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4.1.5  Ozzwald  replied to  Ronin2 @4.1.3    2 years ago
They won't start pumping until it is profitable for them to do so.

How much, per barrel, is oil going for?

 
 
 
Split Personality
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4.1.6  Split Personality  replied to  Ozzwald @4.1.5    2 years ago

Really, and in my neighborhood today we passed at least 8 idle pumps.

All it takes is a key to the control box and a finger to turn the pump on..

.and two hands to open the appropriate valves

at 125$ or higher you would think all of the nodding donkeys would be .

nodding.

 
 
 
Ronin2
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4.1.7  Ronin2  replied to  Kavika @4.1.4    2 years ago
Finally, you may have actually started to understand how the oil market works.

Right, tell me something I didn't already know.

Now we can work on your inability to understand the government leasing federal lands for oil exploration. First off Biden has granted more federal leases than Trump did in his first year. There are leases on 13 million acres of land that are not being used some quite old. 

Really, then explain why Biden then tried to put EO's in to stop new oil drilling on federal lands.

The oil companies had to sue Biden to stop the EO.

Also, Biden has put new drilling regulations on both old and new wells. 

The Biden administration on Friday proposed reforms to the country’s oil and gas leasing program that would raise costs for energy companies to drill on public lands and water, but stopped short of recommending an end to leasing on public lands.

The long-anticipated report, published by the Interior Department, recommended increasing royalty rates and rents for drillers, prioritizing leasing in areas with known resource potential and avoiding leasing in areas that can be developed to protect wildlife habitat, recreation and cultural resources.

The report completes a review that President Joe Biden ordered in January. The president directed a halt to new federal oil and gas lease sales on public lands and waters, but a Louisiana federal judge blocked the administration’s suspension in June.

Drilling on public lands generates billions of dollars in revenue but contributes to roughly a quarter of the country’s planet-warming greenhouse gas emissions. The report did not indicate that the administration would take climate change impact into account when approving new leases.

The report said the federal oil and gas program, which is enshrined in law, fails to provide a fair return to taxpayers and inadequately accounts for its harmful impact on the environment. It called for new rules to hike royalty rates, bonding rates and other fees for drillers. The minimum royalty rate is currently 12.5% for oil and gas production on federal lands.

So US oil and gas companies are not going to reopen old wells, start new ones, or even search for oil on federal lands so long as it isn't profitable. Biden can sell all the leases he likes; the oil companies are counting on him being a 1 term president. They are hoping the next president repeals Biden's EO's and will be better to work with. Or do you not think that oil companies don't plan for the future? Until then US companies aren't going to do anything until the price of a barrel of oil is high enough for them to assume the risks and costs of reopening old oil wells and new ones.

   Keystone pipeline. The current pipelines that were expanded will handle more oil than Keystone would have if built and completed. Currently, in the US there are 19 pipelines in 2021 being built or expanded. BTW the current usage of the existing pipelines in the US is 50%... I've posted links to all of the above numerous times, so I won't be doing it again since many on NT don't read them and continue with their BS comments.

You do realize that the Keystone pipeline was moving Canadian tar sand oil into the US for development right? Completely different source than the pipelines you are talking about. Stopping the Keystone pipeline did make two very large Democratic donors very happy; as the material will continue to be shipped on rail on aging tankers on the CP, BNSF, and CSX. That is so much safer than a pipeline./S With the added bonus that now the material is not going to be processed in the US- but sent directly to port and sent overseas for processing. A double win for Biden less oil in the US; and fewer jobs.

So you can jump up and down. Yell, scream, and post a million links to how Biden is doing every damn thing he can; and fail to leave out actions that he has taken to deter drilling in the US in the form of new regulations and EO's. 

Fact is Biden and the Democrats don't want the US to produce oil and gas; and it shows in every action they take. Biden would rather have the US beholden to dictators and countries that can't stand the US to get our oil.

 
 
 
Ronin2
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4.1.8  Ronin2  replied to  Ozzwald @4.1.5    2 years ago

Answer is obviously not enough yet for US oil companies to restart old wells; and tap new ones. Otherwise they would be. The real question is if the price of a barrel of oil is $125 and they still aren't budging- what regulations or costs are present that weren't there before that are making them wait. 

I heard one analyst say it was going to hit $200 a barrel. I have to reason to doubt it. 

The world really doesn't give a fuck about the US; or Europe (in fact many oil producing countries consider this payback for past actions)- so getting them to pump more oil at this point is going to be hard. Unless it coming from countries we lift sanctions on and give them what they want like Venezuela (aid and lifting of all sanctions) and Iran (lifting of sanctions and money from oil sails to complete their nuclear program- and become the first middle eastern nation outside of Israel with nukes). Will those two countries increase in production be enough to lower the price of oil in the US? Considering the price of oil is set by the world market; no. Until the world supply of oil exceeds the demand expect the price to continue to climb.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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4.1.9  Ozzwald  replied to  Ronin2 @4.1.8    2 years ago
Answer is obviously not enough yet for US oil companies to restart old wells

What percentage of US oil is used domestically?

You understand that oil is drilled and gas is by for profit companies.  It is not necessarily regulations or costs that are preventing more oil from being drilled.  It takes quite a while to gear up, allocate and accumulate enough resources to restart old drilling.  I would guess a full year to begin production again.

 
 
 
Ronin2
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4.1.10  Ronin2  replied to  Ozzwald @4.1.9    2 years ago
What percentage of US oil is used domestically?

It was 38 to 40% but that has dropped.

You understand that oil is drilled and gas is by for profit companies.  It is not necessarily regulations or costs that are preventing more oil from being drilled.  It takes quite a while to gear up, allocate and accumulate enough resources to restart old drilling.  I would guess a full year to begin production again.

No really. For profit- gee weren't my repeated posts stating that enough?

It is not necessarily regulations or costs that are preventing more oil from being drilled.  It takes quite a while to gear up, allocate and accumulate enough resources to restart old drilling. 

Show me where I ever stated they could just flip a switch and restart the pumps? It depends on the type of well and rig; how long since it has been last run; how much maintenance it needs; if any new environmental regulations are in place and extra equipment/machinery needs to be added; and for older wells if they are going to switch to fracking to get the last oil out. 

It also takes a good amount of money. All of that money and assets being moved around is very hard to conceal. Wall Street would be all over it if US companies were showing signs of getting ready to restart production- but they aren't.  Either the price of oil isn't high enough yet to turn a decent profit; or something else is holding them back. Maybe Biden should meet with the major oil producers and find out why they not increasing production? Or he could continue begging our enemies to try and save us.

 
 
 
Krishna
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4.2  Krishna  replied to  Steve Ott @4    2 years ago
whoever is in charge.

There is a common misconception that the president (or Congress) runs there companies and makes decisions as to how much they drill. But they are private companies-- they decide.

Often they hold back when prices are low-- but ptices have recently gone up quite a bit, so they may start drillimg more now (although probably increase gradually as many feel there's still more upside to prices due to the war).

 
 
 
Krishna
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4.3  Krishna  replied to  Steve Ott @4    2 years ago
the robber barons running those companies,

And not the stockholders?

 
 
 
Steve Ott
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4.3.1  Steve Ott  replied to  Krishna @4.3    2 years ago

You know, over all these years I keep reading that. But anymore, after watching the executive suites getting more and more millions, I'm not all that sure about 'the stockholders'. Most stock in any large corp is owned by institutions, not individuals. And who are the members of those institutions? The ones in the executive suites. So, I'm really not sure about trying to make things better for the little guy.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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4.3.2  Ozzwald  replied to  Krishna @4.3    2 years ago

And not the stockholders?

Unless you are a majority stockholder, you don't have say about shit.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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4.4  Greg Jones  replied to  Steve Ott @4    2 years ago
"It is not the President who sets oil prices"
Of course not...but when gas reaches $4.00+ a gallon, and grocery prices continues to soar, those silly and uniformed American people....despised by the left because they tend to think for themselves....will blame Biden and the Dems....and vote accordingly.

 
 
 
Steve Ott
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4.4.1  Steve Ott  replied to  Greg Jones @4.4    2 years ago

Of course they will. And if the shoe was on the other foot, you can bet the bitching would be the same. I remember when I was in college and I said I was going to quit driving when gas got to 75 cents. That is equivalent to about 3.91 dollars now. The only difference is we haven't gotten to the point of rationing gas yet. It is almost like we are doing the 70's all over again.

 
 
 
Krishna
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5  Krishna    2 years ago
It's interesting what Elon Musk had to say on the matter ( On Twitter):
Elon Musk
@elonmusk
Hate to say it, but we need to increase oil & gas output immediately. Extraordinary times demand extraordinary measures.
Obviously, this would negatively affect Tesla, but sustainable energy solutions simply cannot react instantaneously to make up for Russian oil & gas exports.
 
 
 
JBB
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6  JBB    2 years ago

original

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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6.1  Greg Jones  replied to  JBB @6    2 years ago

What about the poor and [disadvantaged...Deleted]

 
 
 
Texan1211
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6.2  Texan1211  replied to  JBB @6    2 years ago

Poor people typically drive older cars that get poor mileage compared to newer ones.

I'm sure paying a dollar more per gallon won't have any effect on the poor at all.

And since it seems like it will be necessary:

/s

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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7  Right Down the Center    2 years ago

Joe's thoughts on gas prices:

256

 
 
 
Texan1211
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7.1  Texan1211  replied to  Right Down the Center @7    2 years ago

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Right Down the Center
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8  Right Down the Center    2 years ago

256

 
 
 
Steve Ott
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8.1  Steve Ott  replied to  Right Down the Center @8    2 years ago

Are you sure this isn't a graph from when Nixon lifted price controls?

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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8.1.1  Right Down the Center  replied to  Steve Ott @8.1    2 years ago

Yep, but I am sure there is a graph for then also.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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8.2  Tessylo  replied to  Right Down the Center @8    2 years ago

trumpturd didn't make us energy independent no matter how much his supporters/enablers, such as yourself, would have you believe.  

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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8.2.1  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tessylo @8.2    2 years ago
"More BS....You realize that in 2021 the US was the largest producer of oil and a net exporter of oil, don't you?" That's all they got plus I can't believe the outright lie that is being peddled by certain folks that whatshisname made us energy independent.

Is this not your comment? Just how in the hell do you think we got to that point which Mr. Biden has so fucking generously reversed?

 
 
 
Tessylo
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8.2.2  Tessylo  replied to  Tessylo @8.2    2 years ago

trumpturd didn't make us energy independent no matter how much his supporters/enablers, such as yourself, would have you believe.  

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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8.2.3  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tessylo @8.2.2    2 years ago

Did you just call yourself a Trump supporter? Sure looks like it in your reply to yourself. Wow. Didn't know you were a Trump supporter. Good for you.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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8.2.4  Right Down the Center  replied to  Tessylo @8.2    2 years ago

All after Joe, That is indisputable fact.

256

 
 
 
Tessylo
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8.2.5  Tessylo  replied to  Right Down the Center @8.2.4    2 years ago

Nope.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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8.2.6  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @8.2.5    2 years ago

Before the narrative gets too carried away: Gas prices aren't up because the White House is banning Russian oil. They're up because Joe Biden campaigned on an energy "transition" away from oil and launched a war on domestic-U.S. production.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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8.2.7  Right Down the Center  replied to  Tessylo @8.2.5    2 years ago

Feel free to post your data of gas prices before and after Joe took office up until the Russian invasion took place.  Just saying no would lead one to believe you are just ignoring facts due to TDS .

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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8.2.8  Right Down the Center  replied to  Vic Eldred @8.2.6    2 years ago

Funny how Joe promised all the people losing their jobs that there would be other high paying jobs waiting for them.  He forgot to mention those jobs wouldn't be around for ten years or so

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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8.2.9  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Right Down the Center @8.2.8    2 years ago

I'll never forget him telling 40-50 year old Coal Miners to go to school to learn a new profession.

There was nothing quite like the look on their faces.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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8.2.10  Right Down the Center  replied to  Vic Eldred @8.2.9    2 years ago

A fine example of Joe's grasp on reality.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
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8.2.11  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @8.2.9    2 years ago

So they're too old to learn another profession?

Why?

 
 
 
Tessylo
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8.2.12  Tessylo  replied to  Tessylo @8.2.2    2 years ago

meant to reply to RDTC - not true

 
 
 
Tessylo
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8.2.13  Tessylo  replied to  Right Down the Center @8.2.7    2 years ago

Not true.

Facts aren't something that are normally supplied on these 'ariticles'

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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8.2.14  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Right Down the Center @8.2.10    2 years ago

He/they just don't care about working people.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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8.2.15  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @8.2.11    2 years ago
So they're too old to learn another profession?

It might seem easy from where you are sitting.

First of all, how would one be able to go to school when one has a family to support?

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
8.2.16  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @8.2.14    2 years ago

"He/they just don't care about working people."

That would be true of the gop/gqp/republicans/alleged conservatives, NOT Democrats/Liberals/Progressives.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
8.2.17  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @8.2.15    2 years ago

So they're too old to learn another profession?

Why?

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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8.2.18  Right Down the Center  replied to  Tessylo @8.2.13    2 years ago

That is why I suggested you post data that you find, if you can.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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8.2.19  Tessylo  replied to  Right Down the Center @8.2.18    2 years ago

Joe Biden being President has nothing to do with the increase in gas prices, NOTHING.  

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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8.2.20  Right Down the Center  replied to  Tessylo @8.2.19    2 years ago
Joe Biden being President has nothing to do with the increase in gas prices, NOTHING.  

Saying NOTHING is not data.  The idea that gas prices would have increased to this level even if Donald was president (mean tweets and all) is ridiculous.

See 2.2 for a few details as to what Joe has done.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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8.2.21  Tessylo  replied to  Right Down the Center @8.2.20    2 years ago

President Biden has nothing to do with the rise in gas prices.  You have supplied nothing that shows that.  

 
 
 
Texan1211
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8.2.22  Texan1211  replied to  Tessylo @8.2.21    2 years ago
President Biden has nothing to do with the rise in gas prices.

Joe Biden might not even be aware of real gas prices.

Do you think his handlers have informed him yet?

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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8.2.23  Right Down the Center  replied to  Tessylo @8.2.21    2 years ago

So much for my attempt to have a rational discussion.

Have a wonderful day, and feel free to block me again.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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8.2.24  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Texan1211 @8.2.22    2 years ago

He may know it but probably can't relate. Hell last time he probably had to pay for gas it wasn't much over a dollar a gallon if that much. They are all out of touch

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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8.2.25  Right Down the Center  replied to  Texan1211 @8.2.22    2 years ago

They might be trying to hide it from him, that would not be hard to do since he has no grasp of reality.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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8.2.26  Tessylo  replied to  Right Down the Center @8.2.23    2 years ago

See 8.2.21

I didn't block you in the first place.

Get a clue.  

 
 
 
Texan1211
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8.2.27  Texan1211  replied to  Right Down the Center @8.2.23    2 years ago
So much for my attempt to have a rational discussion.

[Deleted]

 
 
 
Texan1211
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8.2.28  Texan1211  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @8.2.24    2 years ago
He may know it but probably can't relate. Hell last time he probably had to pay for gas it wasn't much over a dollar a gallon if that much.

Yes, Biden relied on taxpayer funded AMTRAK.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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8.2.29  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Right Down the Center @8.2.23    2 years ago
So much for my attempt to have a rational discussion.

[Deleted]

 
 
 
JBB
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8.2.30  JBB  replied to  Right Down the Center @8.2.4    2 years ago

original

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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8.2.31  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JBB @8.2.30    2 years ago

You're going to have to prove that meme.  That looks like gas prices TODAY.

 
 
 
Moose Knuckle
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8.2.32  Moose Knuckle  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @8.2.31    2 years ago

It's been fact checked after the Psaki presser yesterday. Biden owns the highest gas prices in US history and he/she knows it.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
8.2.33  JBB  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @8.2.31    2 years ago

Read the headline! It says gas prices were this high thirteen years ago. I remember. Do you?

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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8.2.34  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Moose Knuckle @8.2.32    2 years ago

I can't watch Peppermint Patty.  That thing makes me want to drink.  Do we really need a fact check that the high prices are all on Biden?

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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8.2.35  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JBB @8.2.33    2 years ago

You're going to have to prove that meme.  That looks like gas prices TODAY.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
8.2.36  Tessylo  replied to  Moose Knuckle @8.2.32    2 years ago

Y'all are just so happy that after that steaming pile of shit of a 'president' of yours that you get to blame everything on President Biden even though it's not valid.   

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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8.2.37  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  JBB @8.2.30    2 years ago

Crude Oil Production in the United States averaged 7601.91 BBL/D/1K from 1950 until 2021, reaching an all time high of  12860 BBL/D/1K  in November of 2019 and a record low of 3974 BBL/D/1K in September of 2008.


https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/crude-oil-production#:~:text=Crude%20Oil%20Production%20in%20the%20United%20States%20averaged,low%20of%203974%20BBL%2FD%2F1K%20in%20September%20of%202008.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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8.2.38  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @8.2.35    2 years ago

Jen Psaki blatantly lied about it yesterday

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
8.2.39  JBB  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @8.2.35    2 years ago

We all remember prices this high 13 yrs ago!

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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8.2.40  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JBB @8.2.39    2 years ago

And I'm supposed to believe your meme or what you have to say?  Not going to happen.  

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
8.2.41  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Vic Eldred @8.2.38    2 years ago

Oh.  Of course.  Her, this shitty administration and the left are still trying to put it all on somebody else and distract from the fact they caused the problem on Jan 20, 2021.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
8.2.43  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JBB @8.2.33    2 years ago

Read the headline in 8.2.32 It says "breaking record from 2008"

Gas prices are the most expensive in US history, breaking record from 2008

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
8.2.44  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @8.2.41    2 years ago

Did you here Biden today? Now it's the Putin gas hike.  Their propaganda is worse than the silly Russian propaganda.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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8.2.45  Texan1211  replied to  Tessylo @8.2.36    2 years ago

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Right Down the Center
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8.2.46  Right Down the Center  replied to  JBB @8.2.30    2 years ago

Assuming that is true what exactly does that mean for today?  It is OK now since it happened then too?  

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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8.2.47  Right Down the Center  replied to  Texan1211 @8.2.45    2 years ago
And have to refer back to Trump when they have NO COGENT ARGUMENT.

Which is 95% of the time

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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8.2.48  Right Down the Center  replied to  Tessylo @8.2.36    2 years ago

256

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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8.2.49  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @8.2.45    2 years ago

Criticism of Biden, valid or invalid , is partisan. He has no scandals to objectively criticize. 

Criticism of Trump is mainly because he is morally and psychologically unfit to hold public office. 

The right doesnt like Bidens policies. Well, he won the election. 

People dont oppose Trump mainly because of his policies, they oppose him because he is a jagoff that constantly embarrasses their country. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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8.2.50  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @8.2.49    2 years ago
Criticism of Biden, valid or invalid , is partisan. He has no scandals to objectively criticize. 

I'd rather have corruption than radical policy that has brought the country to it's knees.


The right doesnt like Bidens policies. Well, he won the election. 

But he didn't run on those policies. He ran as a moderate who did very little campaigning.


May democrats lose big & bad from now on!

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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8.2.51  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Vic Eldred @8.2.44    2 years ago

I didn't have enough alcohol to make Biden even remotely comprehendible.  But the "Putin gas hike"?  That's hilarious.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
8.2.52  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @8.2.51    2 years ago

That's what he read off his mortal enemy, the teleprompter, hours ago.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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8.2.53  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @8.2.49    2 years ago

people oppose Trump because he is living rent-free in their heads a whole year after he left office.

Interesting that some choose to yap on endlessly and quite boringly about Trump when their own man is in office screwing things up.

I can just see 10 years from now some will STILL BE WHINING AND BITCHING ABOUT TRUMP.

And I am sure they will be powerless to stop themselves.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
8.2.54  Tessylo  replied to  JohnRussell @8.2.49    2 years ago
"people oppose Trump because he is living rent-free in their heads a whole year after he left office.

Interesting that some choose to yap on endlessly and quite boringly about Trump when their own man is in office screwing things up.

I can just see 10 years from now some will STILL BE WHINING AND BITCHING ABOUT TRUMP.

And I am sure they will be powerless to stop themselves."

While trumpturd and supporters still claim that the election was stolen from him and we're the ones with TDS

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Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
8.2.55  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @8.2.54    2 years ago

Americans: “Gas is too expensive!”


Biden: “If you can’t afford to fill your gas tank, just go out and buy a $70,000 electric car.”


It's called a disconnect.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
8.2.56  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @8.2.49    2 years ago
Criticism of Biden, valid or invalid , is partisan.

That's hilarious.

He has no scandals to objectively criticize.

No scandals, on that you are correct.  It's everything else he's fucked up that everybody (on BOTH side of the aisle) is criticizing him for.  Well, everybody with the exception of those who just can't seem to move on from Trump.

Criticism of Trump is mainly because he is morally and psychologically unfit to hold public office.

And like many of the other claims you made, that you have yet to back up.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
8.2.57  Texan1211  replied to  Tessylo @8.2.54    2 years ago

Why are you quoting me to JR?

He can read my posts as easily as you.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
8.2.58  Texan1211  replied to  Tessylo @8.2.54    2 years ago
we're the ones with TDS

When you're right, you're right!

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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8.2.59  Right Down the Center  replied to  Texan1211 @8.2.58    2 years ago

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Hallux
Professor Principal
8.2.60  Hallux  replied to  Vic Eldred @8.2.50    2 years ago

America has been brought to her knees? Your hysteria kneeds pads.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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8.2.61  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @8.2.55    2 years ago

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Just Jim NC TttH
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8.2.62  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tessylo @8.2.61    2 years ago

There is a difference between revenue, the total monetary value of all business, and profit. You should know that. On average, the profit is in the 5-7% range. Yep, it is a lot of money, like $174Billion in the first 3 quarters of 2021 between 24 companies but, that means the revenues were $2.9 TRILLION. So if their revenues went up, the profit realized from that revenue bump would also but NOT the way that stupid damned meme would try to convince the sheep. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
8.2.63  Tessylo  replied to  Tessylo @8.2.61    2 years ago

Funny how some folks think I read their posts.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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8.2.64  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tessylo @8.2.63    2 years ago

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Tessylo
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8.2.65  Tessylo  replied to  Tessylo @8.2.63    2 years ago
You'll definitely learn something

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And I'm not the one who gets their ass handed to them on a daily basis.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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8.2.66  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @8.2.64    2 years ago

I believe that's called "Game, Set, Match!"

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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8.2.67  Right Down the Center  replied to  Tessylo @8.2.65    2 years ago
And I'm not the one who gets their ass handed to them on a daily basis.  

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Right Down the Center
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8.2.68  Right Down the Center  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @8.2.64    2 years ago

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Texan1211
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8.2.69  Texan1211  replied to  Right Down the Center @8.2.68    2 years ago

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Tessylo
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8.2.70  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @8.2.66    2 years ago

Nope, he's never done that, ever.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
8.2.71  Tessylo  replied to  Right Down the Center @8.2.68    2 years ago

Interesting how some like to make me the topic/subject of the article.  

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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8.2.72  Right Down the Center  replied to  Tessylo @8.2.71    2 years ago

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Sean Treacy
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9  Sean Treacy    2 years ago

High oil/gas prices are a feature for Democrats, not a bug.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
9.1  Texan1211  replied to  Sean Treacy @9    2 years ago

What I wouldn't give for a mean tweet and $2.50/gallon gas right now.

 
 
 
shona1
Professor Quiet
9.1.1  shona1  replied to  Texan1211 @9.1    2 years ago

Morning Texan...we are now paying $2 a litre for petrol at the moment... can't recall paying that before..well over $3 a litre in New Zealand...

But surely the world has caught on now that price rises are caused by everything and anything these days...

Wars, the virus, stock exchange, the Saudis, holidays etc etc...any excuse will do...we know it before they even do it..

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
9.1.2  Texan1211  replied to  shona1 @9.1.1    2 years ago

Good morning to you!

I just filled up today at $3.69 per gallon.

I expect I will pay over $4/gal for my next tank.

Maybe the war in Ukraine won't drag on and on.

 
 
 
Krishna
Professor Expert
9.1.3  Krishna  replied to  shona1 @9.1.1    2 years ago
Morning Texan...we are now paying $2 a litre for petrol at the moment... can't recall paying that before..well over $3 a litre in New Zealand...

But surely the world has caught on now that price rises are caused by everything and anything these days...

Wars, the virus, stock exchange, the Saudis, holidays etc etc...any excuse will do...we know it before they even do it..

So I take it you don't agree with the arguments here stating that its all the fault of the Democrats-- a deliberate attempt to make us suffer???

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
9.1.4  Texan1211  replied to  Krishna @9.1.3    2 years ago
So I take it you don't agree with the arguments here stating that its all the fault of the Democrats-- a deliberate attempt to make us suffer???

What did you read?

 
 
 
shona1
Professor Quiet
9.1.5  shona1  replied to  Krishna @9.1.3    2 years ago

Anoon Krishna...I keep out of your politics... firstly have no idea who they, who they represent and most couldn't lie straight in bed...much the same here.

They have one agenda, feather their own nest and when they stuff it up...resign because they want to spend more time with the family...and collect their retirement benefits...

Ever seen a broke ex president or politician??

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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9.2  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sean Treacy @9    2 years ago

"We can produce more than enough oil to make up for whatever it is we buy from Russia. I just don't get it. The only explanation is this religious zealotry on this Green New Deal stuff makes that an impossibility and it's going to lead us to a ridiculous policy."....Senator Marco Rubio

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
9.2.2  Kavika   replied to  Vic Eldred @9.2    2 years ago

Like most politicans Marco really doesn't have much of a grip on oil production/type/origin. Was he bitching about Russian oil that we started importing in 1995 or the record year of 2019 of the importation of Russian oil.

 
 
 
Hallux
Professor Principal
9.2.3  Hallux  replied to  Kavika @9.2.2    2 years ago

Marco is doing what Marco always does, he's getting his con-credentials reapproved for the nth time. It's sad to watch.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
9.2.4  Texan1211  replied to  Kavika @9.2.2    2 years ago
Was he bitching about Russian oil that we started importing in 1995 or the record year of 2019 of the importation of Russian oil.

Oh, yeah, those MUST have been what he was talking about--some 3 or 27 years ago events.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
10  JBB    2 years ago

Americans are willing to suffer higher gas prices to cut Putin and Russia out of world markets. We are moving away from fossil fuels anyway. This will just make renewable clean energy more competitive...

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
10.1  Texan1211  replied to  JBB @10    2 years ago
Americans are willing to suffer higher gas prices to cut Putin and Russia out of world markets.

Americans are forced to accept higher prices.

We are moving away from fossil fuels anyway. This will just make renewable clean energy more competitive...

Moving away SLOWLY. Using a crisis to further the green agenda won't win over voters having to pay $1-2 more per gallon of gas now.

But it is amusing that Democrats think voters won't vote their wallets come election time. have they learned nothing over the last 50 years?

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
10.2  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JBB @10    2 years ago
Americans are willing to suffer higher gas prices to cut Putin and Russia out of world markets.

No we're not.  If it weren't for some EO's Biden signed on January 20, 2021, we, and a lot of other countries wouldn't be in this situation. 

 
 
 
Krishna
Professor Expert
10.2.1  Krishna  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @10.2    2 years ago
No we're not

Prove it!

(I just spent most of the day watching the stock market like a hawk.).

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
10.2.2  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Krishna @10.2.1    2 years ago

See Section 6

See second paragraph

 
 
 
Jack_TX
Professor Quiet
10.3  Jack_TX  replied to  JBB @10    2 years ago
Americans are willing to suffer higher gas prices to cut Putin and Russia out of world markets.

Some of us have that luxury.

We are moving away from fossil fuels anyway.

Yeah, but not all in 30 days.

This will just make renewable clean energy more competitive...

This will probably put the US economy in recession if it continues for very long, which will make renewable energy capital more difficult to come by.

 
 
 
Hallux
Professor Principal
11  Hallux    2 years ago

Canada's oil production has spiked this year to its highest level ever ... and so have prices at the pump. Must be Biden's fault. @!@

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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11.1  Right Down the Center  replied to  Hallux @11    2 years ago

Canada has their own problems with mini Joe Justin.

 
 
 
Hallux
Professor Principal
11.1.1  Hallux  replied to  Right Down the Center @11.1    2 years ago

How about that, Canada is just like every other nation in that regard.

 
 

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