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Biden backs filibuster exception to protect abortion access | AP News

  

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Via:  texan1211  •  2 years ago  •  18 comments

By:   CHRIS MEGERIAN (AP NEWS)

Biden backs filibuster exception to protect abortion access | AP News
WASHINGTON (AP) — President Joe Biden said Thursday that he would support an exception to the Senate filibuster to protect access to abortion after the U.S.

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By CHRIS MEGERIANJune 30, 2022 GMT

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Joe Biden said Thursday that he would support an exception to the Senate filibuster to protect access to abortion after the U.S. Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade.

"If the filibuster gets in the way, it's like voting rights," Biden said during a press conference in Madrid, where he was attending a NATO summit. The Democratic president said there should be an "exception to the filibuster for this action to deal with the Supreme Court decision."

As a former senator, Biden has been reluctant to support changes to the filibuster, which allows any member of the 100-member chamber to block action on legislation unless it receives 60 votes. However, earlier this year he endorsed sidestepping the rule on the issue of voting rights, and his latest comments make clear that he's willing to do the same for abortion.

Biden's support for changes to the filibuster in the 50-50 Senate may ultimately be immaterial. The Senate Democratic caucus would need to unanimously take such a step, but at least two Democratic senators, Joe Manchin of West Virginia and Kyrsten Sinema of Arizona, don't want to.

The president has been under pressure to take as much executive action as possible to protect abortion rights, although his options are limited. Biden said he's meeting Friday with governors to talk about abortion and "I'll have announcements to make then."

During Thursday's news conference, Biden harshly criticized the Supreme Court's decision on abortion and reiterated his warnings that other constitutional protections could be at risk.

"One thing that has been destabilizing is the outrageous behavior of the Supreme Court of the United States in overruling not only Roe v. Wade but essentially challenging the right to privacy," he said.

Voting legislation that Democrats and civil rights leaders said was vital to protecting democracy collapsed in January when Manchin and Sinema refused to join their own party in changing Senate rules to overcome a Republican filibuster. The outcome was a stinging defeat for Biden and his party, coming at the tumultuous close to his first year in office.

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This story has been corrected to show Biden said he'd back an exception to the filibuster, not eliminating the filibuster.

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Texan1211
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1  seeder  Texan1211    2 years ago

Doesn't the Biden Administration ever learn?

Biden's support for changes to the filibuster in the 50-50 Senate may ultimately be immaterial. The Senate Democratic caucus would need to unanimously take such a step, but at least two Democratic senators, Joe Manchin of West Virginia and Kyrsten Sinema of Arizona, don't want to.

Surely this comes as no secret to Democrats.

So why is Biden pushing some pie-in-the-sky scheme to get the results he wants and the Party demands?

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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2  Sean Treacy    2 years ago

“Carve out” my ass. It’s the end of the filibuster.

sinema, probably the only democrat capable of thinking long term, has already come out in opposition based on the very sound principle that ending the filibuster means less protection for things progressives care about. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
3  Sean Treacy    2 years ago

So  Biden’s war on our governing norms continues. 

 
 
 
Snuffy
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4  Snuffy    2 years ago

No, they just don't want to learn from history.  If they eliminate the filibuster for this so they can pass their version of abortion, the next Congress if the Republicans take power can change it to their version, and potentially outlaw it completely.  Eliminating the filibuster is about the stupidest thing the Democrats could do for this.  And then the next time the Democrats are in power they can again change it back.  A never-ending cycle of bullshit.

Why can't the two sides just craft a compromise bill (you have to keep the extremists out of the discussions) where they can come up with some controls around it and then codify it.  If the polling is correct  (61% of people polled believe abortion should be legal) then the politicians would be working towards something that the people want and properly end this issue.  But to do that they have to put the extremists in the corner, put their egos in check and agree to compromise rather than push only towards their partisan agenda.  Afraid that's why nothing will be done at a federal level and that's a shame.

 
 
 
evilone
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4.1  evilone  replied to  Snuffy @4    2 years ago
you have to keep the extremists out of the discussions

I agree with you, except the extremists are running the discussions:

...the head of the anti-abortion group Susan B. Anthony List addressed a House GOP conference meeting, where she talked to members about how to message on the issue and encouraged members to take incremental steps toward banning abortion if they win the majority.
...there is also a stricter measure in the House that would prohibit abortions once cardiac activity is detected, which has more than 100 Republican co-sponsors in the House.​
 
 
 
Tessylo
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5  Tessylo    2 years ago

Antiabortion legislators want to block patients from crossing state lines

Antiabortion legislators want to block patients from crossing state lines
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Caroline Kitchener and Devlin Barrett
Wed, June 29, 2022 at 6:51 PM
Several national antiabortion groups and their allies in Republican-led state legislatures are advancing plans to stop people in states where abortion is banned from seeking the procedure elsewhere, according to people involved in the discussions.

The idea has gained momentum in some corners of the antiabortion movement in the days since the Supreme Court struck down its 49-year-old precedent protecting abortion rights nationwide, triggering abortion bans across much of the Southeast and Midwest.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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5.1  Ozzwald  replied to  Tessylo @5    2 years ago

Trying to prevent American citizens from traveling freely between the states?  SCOTUS will have a hard time explaining their support of that ban.

Fourteenth Amendment, Section 1:

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

The doctrine of the right to travel actually encompasses three separate rights, of which two have been notable for the uncertainty of their textual support. The first is the right of a citizen to move freely between states, a right venerable for its longevity, but still lacking a clear doctrinal basis.1 The second, expressly addressed by the first sentence of Article IV, provides a citizen of one state who is temporarily visiting another state the Privileges and Immunities of a citizen of the latter state.2 The third is the right of a new arrival to a state, who establishes citizenship in that state, to enjoy the same rights and benefits as other state citizens. This right is most often invoked in challenges to durational residency requirements, which require that persons reside in a state for a specified period of time before taking advantage of the benefits of that state’s citizenship.
 
 
 
Snuffy
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5.1.1  Snuffy  replied to  Ozzwald @5.1    2 years ago

I believe Kavanaugh stated exactly that in his concurring opinion when he stated that 

“May a state bar a resident of that state from traveling to another state to obtain an abortion?” he wrote in a concurring opinion . “In my view, the answer is no based on the constitutional right to interstate travel.”

I suspect it won't stop some states from trying to and it will be bad for the individuals at the time but it will eventually make it's way up to SCOTUS to be set right.  But it would sure suck for the woman at the time she was attempting to travel for the abortion.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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5.1.2  Sean Treacy  replied to  Snuffy @5.1.1    2 years ago
pect it won't stop some states from trying to and it will be bad for the individuals at the time but it will eventually make it's way up to SCOTUS to be set right

I doubt any such ban would get past a district court injunction before it went into effect. 

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
5.1.3  Ozzwald  replied to  Snuffy @5.1.1    2 years ago
I believe Kavanaugh stated exactly that in his concurring opinion when he stated that 

Didn't he also state something about Roe v Wade in an earlier statement also?  Maybe while testifying in Congress for his job?  Is there any reason we should believe him this time?

 
 
 
Texan1211
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5.1.4  seeder  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @5.1.3    2 years ago
Didn't he also state something about Roe v Wade in an earlier statement also?  Maybe while testifying in Congress for his job?

What do you think he stated?

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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5.1.5  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Ozzwald @5.1.3    2 years ago

You mean this..................

Kavanaugh’s Unsettling Use Of ‘Settled Law’

The Supreme Court nominee’s judicial record suggests he means only that Roe v. Wade hasn’t yet been overturned, not that it can’t be.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
5.1.6  Sean Treacy  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @5.1.5    2 years ago

Yep. and like every single justice appointed to the bench in the last 100 years, he voted to overturn a Supreme Court  precedent.

 
 
 
Snuffy
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6  Snuffy    2 years ago

One can just imagine however what the outcry would be if this was all reversed.  I mean, if SCOTUS had upheld Roe v. Wade and the Republicans had the majority in the House, Senate and held the WH and they were the ones attempting to eliminate the filibuster to end abortion.  What would the reaction on this board be?  Who's the first who would come in calling the Republicans fascists?  

There are some Democrats who even today are calling for the elimination of the filibuster completely. One can only imagine what they could do if they did that...  passage of both their abortion bill and the House bill on voting,  additionally they could grant statehood to both DC and Puerto Rico to give another 4 Democrat Senators...   Just think how well that would work to reduce the partisan divide in this country..  Just imagine what one-party rule could do to calm the teaming masses...   /s

 
 
 
Nerm_L
Professor Expert
7  Nerm_L    2 years ago

Autocrats to the rescue! 

Democrats better think thrice about playing with these matches.  Republicans could use the same procedural maneuver to draft and enact a Constitutional amendment.  That would require ratification by 34 states.  Are Democrats really that certain of their Blue Wall?

The issue of abortion really does motivate Republicans. too.  Democrats are deluding themselves if they think the issue can be settled by gaming the system.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
8  Sean Treacy    2 years ago

The American President goes on foreign soil to attack the US Supreme Court and claims the Court  is more destabilizing to the world than Putin.

"The  one thing that has been destabilizing [the world] is the outrageous behavior of the Supreme Court of the United States in overruling not only Roe v. Wade, ."

These are the ramblings of an insane man.  This would stand out as crazy for even on an internet site like this filled with crazy partisan takes. And he's the President?   . 

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
9  Tacos!    2 years ago

Yeah yeah yeah. Everybody wants to get rid of the filibuster until they have legislation they want passed. It’s always the same.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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10  Right Down the Center    2 years ago

Great slope to start to slide down.  I guess no one learned from the whole change the rules nuclear option with confirming judges.

Everything becomes a justified  "carve out" for the party in power.  Nothing could go wrong with that.

 
 

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