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Biden says son Beau 'lost his life in Iraq' during Colorado speech

  

Category:  News & Politics

Via:  vic-eldred  •  2 years ago  •  172 comments

By:   Adam Sabes (Fox News)

Biden says son Beau 'lost his life in Iraq' during Colorado speech
President Biden claimed that his son Beau "lost his life in Iraq" during a speech on Wednesday near Vail, Colorado, where he designated Camp Hale as a national monument.

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President Biden erroneously said on Wednesday that his son, Beau, "lost his life in Iraq" during a speech in Colorado.

President Biden erroneously said that his son, Beau, "lost his life in Iraq" during a speech in Colorado on Wednesday.

"I say this as a father of a man and won the Bronze Star, the conspicuous service medal, and lost his life in Iraq," Biden said.

Beau died of brain cancer in 2015.

President Biden speaks at the IBM factory in Poughkeepsie, New York, on Thursday. (The Image Direct for Fox News Digital)

Biden made the speech on Wednesday near Vail, Colorado, where he designated Camp Hale as a national monument.

Biden said in a 2019 speech that he believes Beau's "exposure to burn pits" in Iraq "in my view, I can't prove it yet, he came back with stage four glioblastoma. Eighteen months he lived, knowing he was going to die."


Fox News Digital has reached out to the White House for clarification on Biden's comment.


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Vic Eldred
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1  seeder  Vic Eldred    2 years ago



What he hell?

The New York Times defends Biden's blatant lies by calling him a "storyteller."

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    2 years ago

Your obsession with trying to trip up Biden has become pathetic. 

He said his son lost his life in Iraq because that is what he believes. 

Biden said in a 2019 speech that he believes Beau's "exposure to burn pits" in Iraq "in my view, I can't prove it yet, he came back with stage four glioblastoma. Eighteen months he lived, knowing he was going to die."

You never ever win these "arguments". I guess some people never learn. 

 
 
 
George
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1.1.1  George  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1    2 years ago

Claiming someone has an obsession coming from you is hysterical.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.2  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1    2 years ago

Joe Biden is toast....not because his son and Biden himself peddled influence but because of what Biden did to this country.

Trust me John, this November they lose the House and because of the numbers shall barely lose the Senate 51-49.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.1.3  Texan1211  replied to  George @1.1.1    2 years ago

As if Biden doesn't trip his own self up regularly.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.1.4  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.2    2 years ago

Every time your foolish seeds are exposed as foolish you start mumbling about November. I guess you cant defend this foolish seed. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.1.5  JohnRussell  replied to  George @1.1.1    2 years ago

Get lost. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.6  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.4    2 years ago

Down here on Planet Earth the seed speaks for itself.  I'm waiting for your defense...Was there somebody a mile away waiting to shake his hand?

 
 
 
pat wilson
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1.1.7  pat wilson  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1    2 years ago

Ugh, vultures picking over Biden's dead son's bones. No shame.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.1.8  JohnRussell  replied to  pat wilson @1.1.7    2 years ago

Thats bad, but its just as bad that they actually think they are right. Kind of explains why this country is so fucked up. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.1.9  Texan1211  replied to  pat wilson @1.1.7    2 years ago

No one is doing what you falsely claim.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
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1.1.10  Jasper2529  replied to  pat wilson @1.1.7    2 years ago
Ugh, vultures picking over Biden's dead son's bones. No shame.

Joe Biden is the vulture to blame for "picking over" Beau's bones. He created the lie about where ... and why ... Beau died. There's zero proof that Beau's glioblastoma multiforme was caused by proximity to burn pits.

Fact Check - Beau died at Walter Reed Hospital ... not in Iraq.

 
 
 
pat wilson
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1.1.11  pat wilson  replied to  Jasper2529 @1.1.10    2 years ago

You just can't stop, can you ? Sad

 
 
 
Jasper2529
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1.1.12  Jasper2529  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1    2 years ago
He said his son lost his life in Iraq because that is what he believes.

Well, this explains why millions of Americans have been questioning Biden's cognitive ability for 2+ years!  According to your statement, Joe Biden doesn't know (1) the differences and locations of Walter Reed Hospital and Iraq, and (2) where Beau died. 

 
 
 
Jasper2529
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1.1.13  Jasper2529  replied to  pat wilson @1.1.11    2 years ago
You just can't stop, can you ?

What should I "stop"? Please list the untruths of my comment 1.1.10. I look forward to your reply.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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1.1.14  Greg Jones  replied to  pat wilson @1.1.7    2 years ago

"Ugh, vultures picking over Biden's dead son's bones. No shame.

No.....Just Joe Biden exploiting his son's death. Ugh, shameful.

 
 
 
pat wilson
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1.1.15  pat wilson  replied to  Jasper2529 @1.1.13    2 years ago

Biden believes Beau contracted brain cancer from burn pits in Iraq and he's probably right. And your peevish arguments saying he lied is peculiar and disgusting.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
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1.1.16  Jasper2529  replied to  pat wilson @1.1.15    2 years ago
Biden believes Beau contracted brain cancer from burn pits in Iraq and he's probably right.

Among his many other "beliefs" ... Biden believes that he earned 3 degrees, graduated at the top of his class, was a full college professor, a civil rights freedom fighter, arrested and jailed, fought off a big bad black dude named Corn Pop, drove a tractor trailer, and was raised in a Puerto Rican neighborhood/society. 

"I give you my word as a Biden. No hyperbole. I kid you not. C'mon man!"  jrSmiley_7_smiley_image.png

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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1.1.17  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  pat wilson @1.1.7    2 years ago

Sorry, but you think Biden using his deceased son strictly for political gain is acceptable? No shame is right.

 
 
 
pat wilson
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1.1.18  pat wilson  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @1.1.17    2 years ago

I don't think he used his deceased son at all.

Is he not allowed to bring him into the conversation ?

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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1.1.19  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  pat wilson @1.1.18    2 years ago

I did not say he was not allowed to mention his son. It is the context in which he did so that was objectionable.

 
 
 
arkpdx
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1.1.20  arkpdx  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1    2 years ago
Your obsession with trying to trip up Biden 

No one is obsessed with tripping Biden up. He does that well enough on his own. The only ones here that are obsessed are those here with TRD. 

You never ever win these "arguments". I guess some people never learn. 

I guess you don't 

 
 
 
arkpdx
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1.1.21  arkpdx  replied to  pat wilson @1.1.18    2 years ago

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Drinker of the Wry
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1.1.22  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  pat wilson @1.1.18    2 years ago
Is he not allowed to bring him into the conversation ?

Exactly, Beau's service and attributes might help cancel Hunter's corruption and self-service.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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1.1.23  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  pat wilson @1.1.15    2 years ago
Biden believes Beau contracted brain cancer from burn pits in Iraq and he's probably right

I'm surprised that we had our lawyers' anywhere near the burn pits. 

 
 
 
dennissmith
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1.1.24  dennissmith  replied to  pat wilson @1.1.15    2 years ago

Probably right does not validate what Biden said. He either lied or is not mentally fit to make such a statement.

 
 
 
cjcold
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1.1.25  cjcold  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1    2 years ago

Plenty of folk lost their lives in Nam and didn't even know it until they got back stateside. Agent orange (friendly fire) killed over 300,000 troops. Five times as many as the 58,000 who lost their lives to enemy bullets and bombs.

Seems the military can be slow to learn.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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1.1.26  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @1.1.23    2 years ago

In all fairness, said camp(s) were in fact near the burn pits and/or in the path of prevailing winds. As a Army non combatant JAG officer, he could very well have worked at said camps and come in contact with toxic substances. Not picking sides here, just stating fact.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.2  Texan1211  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    2 years ago

Some 3 years later and Biden has no more proof for his claim than he did when he made the statement.

Some actually believe if someone believes something, then it isn't lying.

 
 
 
George
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1.2.1  George  replied to  Texan1211 @1.2    2 years ago

Maybe his Puerto Rican neighbors who raised him told him that’s how Beau died.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.2.2  Texan1211  replied to  George @1.2.1    2 years ago

Damn, I was betting on Corn Pop being the source!

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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1.3  Nerm_L  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    2 years ago
The New York Times defends Biden's blatant lies by calling him a "storyteller."

Storyteller?  Is that a backhanded way of admitting that Biden is a fictional President?

As a Senator, Biden could be easily ignored.  And it looks like Senator Biden became accustomed to getting away with saying anything.  Now the press is only doing what it has always done with Biden for decades; ignore what Biden says and twist it to fit their own story.

What we're seeing is the status quo in action.  

 
 
 
Jasper2529
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1.4  Jasper2529  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    2 years ago
The New York Times defends Biden's blatant lies by calling him a "storyteller."

When I originally spotted this article, I had hopes that for once, the NYT would be completely unbiased. But, again, it disappointed.

Shear (a "veteran WH correspondent") and Qiu (a "fact check reporter") mostly stuck to their Biden "storyteller" vision and exposed their TDS in paragraph 6. Thereafter, they softened Biden's decades of lies and deceit even more as is evidenced in this quote: 

“With Biden, people have decided these are not the kind of lies that matter,” Mr. Alterman added. “These are the kinds of lies that people’s grandfathers tell.”

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.4.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jasper2529 @1.4    2 years ago
I had hopes that for once, the NYT would be completely unbiased.

That would imply they had integrity.

 
 
 
squiggy
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1.5  squiggy  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    2 years ago

Biden’s cavalier claim of service-connected brain cancer is little more than a stick in the eye of those who had to fight their own government with incontrovertible proof of Agent Orange’s culpability in disease.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2  Texan1211    2 years ago

Ruh-roh.

Cue up the White House walk-back experts, STAT!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Texan1211 @2    2 years ago

Can you imagine the excuses we get on this one?

 
 
 
Jasper2529
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2.1.1  Jasper2529  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1    2 years ago

And they're arriving in abundance! Bottom line: when Biden and his party "believe" something is true, it's true. When someone of another political party "believes" something is true, it's a LIE.

 
 
 
arkpdx
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2.2  arkpdx  replied to  Texan1211 @2    2 years ago

Where is that damned Easter Bunny When you need him!

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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3  Ed-NavDoc    2 years ago

As somebody who lost a adult son myself, I do feel for the president. But to use said death solely for the sake of political pandering is inexcusable! Shame on Joe Biden.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @3    2 years ago
Shame on Joe Biden.

You bet!

 
 
 
Jasper2529
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3.2  Jasper2529  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @3    2 years ago

First, I hope you'll accept my deepest sympathy for the loss of your son. Even though I have two close friends who've lost their children, I cannot imagine the intense anguish a parent feels when his/her child dies.

Second, I agree that Biden's use of his deceased son for political pandering is inexcusable. In fact, it's despicable, in my opinion. His previous lies and pandering seem almost trivial compared to this one.

 
 
 
afrayedknot
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3.3  afrayedknot  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @3    2 years ago

“As somebody who lost a adult son myself, I do feel for the president. But…”

Condolences, Doc. Sincerely.

But there is no but…as the loss informs every waking moment, as you sadly know.

Let us chastise away on any other subject…so how about we leave this one alone if for no other reason than to acknowledge the pain no parent should suffer.

Just my opinion. Peace to you and yours. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.3.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  afrayedknot @3.3    2 years ago

There is no virtue in lying.

 
 
 
afrayedknot
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3.3.2  afrayedknot  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.3.1    2 years ago

So says the apologist.

My comment was directed to Ed. Yours missed the intent entirely. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.3.3  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  afrayedknot @3.3.2    2 years ago
Yours missed the intent entirely. 

Nobody missed it. You, like Biden seek to use sympathy to deflect.

 
 
 
afrayedknot
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3.3.4  afrayedknot  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.3.3    2 years ago

The day we lose any sense of empathy, is the day we lose any sense of humanity and thus the day we are lost.

And for political expediency?

Simply sad, if not pathetic. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.3.5  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  afrayedknot @3.3.4    2 years ago

I have no empathy for a man who tells tall tales and shamelessly uses the memory of his son.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.3.6  JohnRussell  replied to  afrayedknot @3.3.4    2 years ago

I think that Biden talks about his son too much. Biden has other fish to fry at this time. HOWEVER, there is nothing wrong with what he says. It is obviously what he believes and he might be right. 

For "conservatives" to actually publicly complain about this, constantly, is pitiful. 

But many of them are "gone", and not coming back anytime soon. It is up to the rest of us to work things out for the country. 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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3.3.7  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JohnRussell @3.3.6    2 years ago

And yet it was you who jumped on every word that came from the former PotUS. Turnabout.........it's fair play.

 
 
 
afrayedknot
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3.3.8  afrayedknot  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.3.5    2 years ago

Your point is painfully obvious. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.3.9  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @3.3.6    2 years ago

Lol

 
 
 
Texan1211
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3.3.10  Texan1211  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.3.7    2 years ago

You must not have gotten the memo.

For Biden, and those sycophants of his, belief equals truth!

 
 
 
afrayedknot
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3.3.11  afrayedknot  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.3.7    2 years ago

“Turnabout.........it's fair play.”

No…it’s but trading grade school taunts…and just how are we better served?

Again, and again, and again…simply pathetic. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.3.12  JohnRussell  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.3.7    2 years ago

Are you comparing Biden talking about his son to the crap that came out of the previous president's mouth 24/7 ? 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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3.3.13  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JohnRussell @3.3.12    2 years ago

Nope. Comparing the hypocrisy. That's all.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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3.3.14  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  JohnRussell @3.3.12    2 years ago

Trump is not the subject so do please try to stay on topic.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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3.3.15  Texan1211  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @3.3.14    2 years ago
Trump is not the subject so do please try to stay on topic.

Not even close to possible.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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3.3.16  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  afrayedknot @3.3    2 years ago

On top of losing my son, I lost his mother four months before him. It was a rough year.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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3.4  Jack_TX  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @3    2 years ago
But to use said death solely for the sake of political pandering is inexcusable!

I am sorry for your loss.

That said, there is some non-trivial probability that the president was just confused and misspoke.  However, I think I find the pandering theory less worrisome.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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3.4.1  TᵢG  replied to  Jack_TX @3.4    2 years ago

This kind of stretching the truth is classic Biden.   I do not approve of it, but this instance is largely harmless.

In fact this practice is common among politicians.  Skipping over the abundant Trump examples, remember that Al Gore invented ("took the initiative in creating") the Internet?   Now that is some impressive stretching.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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4  Jeremy Retired in NC    2 years ago

It's pretty pathetic that a death is used like this.  But then again, it is Biden.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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5  JohnRussell    2 years ago

Big deal. 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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5.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @5    2 years ago

Pretty pathetic coming from somebody that's been throwing a hissy fit over another politicians lies.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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5.1.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @5.1    2 years ago

I dont think Biden was lying, I think he believes his son lost his life because of a cancer he got in Iraq. 

...

Jan 11, 2018  · comments. Joe   Biden   has acknowledged that toxic military burn pits could have been a 'significant' factor that drove his son to an early death …

  • Estimated Reading Time:   5 mins
 
 
 
JohnRussell
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5.1.2  JohnRussell  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @5.1    2 years ago

oh wait, its actually in the fucking article none of you seem to have read

Biden said in a 2019 speech that he believes Beau's "exposure to burn pits" in Iraq "in my view, I can't prove it yet, he came back with stage four glioblastoma. Eighteen months he lived, knowing he was going to die."
 
 
 
Texan1211
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5.1.3  Texan1211  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @5.1    2 years ago
Pretty pathetic coming from somebody that's been throwing a hissy fit over another politicians lies.

Too true.

But it is Bidden, so all sorts of excuses will be offered up as pablum to the drooling masses who will eagerly swallow the swill being offered up.

Biden can never, ever lie about anything, he can only disremember and misspeak.

Thus proclaim the droolers!

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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5.1.4  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.2    2 years ago

And what does that have to do with what I said?  The man lies ABOUT HOW HIS OWN KID DIES for political purposes and your response is "big deal". 

Your hypocrisy is showing John.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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5.1.5  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.1    2 years ago

Either way, he still tried to use his son's death for political gain.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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5.1.6  JohnRussell  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @5.1.4    2 years ago

He didnt lie. Seriously, do you know how to read? Biden says his son lost his life in Iraq because he believes his son's tour in Iraq caused his fatal illness. 

Just this year there was legislation before Congress about the effects of these "burn pits". It's not something Biden made up. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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5.1.7  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.6    2 years ago

Lol.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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5.1.8  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.6    2 years ago
Biden says his son lost his life in Iraq because he believes his son's tour in Iraq caused his fatal illness. 

Yep that's what he said..........IN 2019. Not yesterday. He said "in Iraq". So I shall ask, do you know how to read?..............or listen?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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5.1.9  JohnRussell  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @5.1.8    2 years ago

Do you think he stopped believing it between 2019 and yesterday? 

I suppose he could have said "because of Iraq " instead of "in Iraq", but most sensible people will actually understand what he meant. Its not that complicated. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
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5.1.10  Texan1211  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @5.1.8    2 years ago

Leave it to partisan liberals to spin every Biden fuck up!

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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5.1.11  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.6    2 years ago

[deleted]  I know Biden uses a lot of small words, [deleted] but did you miss where he said "IN IRAQ"?  [deleted]

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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5.1.12  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.9    2 years ago
I suppose he could have said "because of Iraq " instead of "in Iraq", but most sensible people will actually understand what he meant.

Suppose all you want.  What he said was "in Iraq".  Now we have the normal fools trying to walk it back and give pathetic excuses for the human fuck up they put in the WH.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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5.1.13  JohnRussell  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @5.1.12    2 years ago

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Jeremy Retired in NC
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5.1.15  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.13    2 years ago
You are a human waste of time. Be happy that Perrie and Newstalkers allows you to be. 

And there it is.  The expected personal insults we've come to know from you and those like you when people don't buy into your bullshit.  

 
 
 
Jasper2529
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5.1.16  Jasper2529  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.2    2 years ago
oh wait, its actually in the fucking article none of you seem to have read
Eighteen months he lived, knowing he was going to die."

Facts:

  • Beau returned to the US from his Iraq attorney desk job in 2009.
  • He died in 2015, six years later.
  • According to scientifically-based math (12X6) - not Biden math -  Beau lived for around 72 months after he returned to the US.
 
 
 
squiggy
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5.1.17  squiggy  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.2    2 years ago

“… I can't prove it yet…”

I read it and he never will prove a cause because sometimes life just sucks and you draw such a shitty hand you’re the first one out.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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6  JohnRussell    2 years ago

This seed is complete jackassery. 

Biden clearly believes his son "lost his life" because of something that happened to him in Iraq. He may be right about that, he may be wrong, but it is not a "lie'.

Right wingers , please stop embarrassing yourselves , and this site. 

 
 
 
Jasper2529
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6.1  Jasper2529  replied to  JohnRussell @6    2 years ago
Biden clearly believes his son "lost his life" because of something that happened to him in Iraq.

Biden clearly stated that his son lost his life IN IRAQ. Watch the video in comment 1 and listen carefully. There's absolutely no credible way to spin what Biden actually said in Colorado.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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6.1.1  Texan1211  replied to  Jasper2529 @6.1    2 years ago

I do believe the incessant spinning renders that impossible!

 
 
 
dennissmith
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6.1.3  dennissmith  replied to  Jasper2529 @6.1    2 years ago

The walk back of what Biden says continues.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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6.2  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  JohnRussell @6    2 years ago

Refusing to accept that Biden used his son's death in his speech solely for political gain, now that is truly embarrassing one's self.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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6.2.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @6.2    2 years ago

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Sunshine
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6.2.2  Sunshine  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @6.2    2 years ago

Also demeaning for those that did lose their lives. His son was not in combat.  He was an attorney.

Pretty pathetic for the Commander in Chief.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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6.2.3  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Sunshine @6.2.2    2 years ago

Yep, serving in a combat zone does not equate to being in combat.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
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6.2.4  Jasper2529  replied to  Sunshine @6.2.2    2 years ago
Also demeaning for those that did lose their lives. His son was not in combat.  He was an attorney. Pretty pathetic for the Commander in Chief.

Wow, I didn't know this. Although I'm sad that Beau died at a young age, I didn't know that his time in Iraq from 2008-2009 was an office job and not on the front in actual combat.

Beau Biden passed away in May 2015 at Walter Reed National Military Medical Center in Bethesda, Md., at the age of 46. He returned from a yearlong deployment to Iraq in September 2009, where he served as a military lawyer in a Delaware National Guard brigade.

“Because of his exposure to burn pits — in my view, I can’t prove it yet , he came back with stage four glioblastoma. Eighteen months he lived , knowing he was going to die,” Biden said in 2019. But during an interview with PBS the year prior, he admitted he was unaware of “any direct scientific evidence” linking the two.    The medical community is   also divided , with neurologists skeptical of a connection between burn pits and the development of glioblastoma multiforme. 

Also - according to Biden's math, Beau returned from Iraq in 2009 and died from glioblastoma multiforme 18 months later, which would have been sometime between 2010 and 2011.  

Fact check again: Beau Biden died in 2015.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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6.2.5  JohnRussell  replied to  Jasper2529 @6.2.4    2 years ago

Uh, a little reality check for you -

In August 2013, Biden was admitted to the  University of Texas MD Anderson Cancer Center  in Houston and diagnosed with  glioblastoma multiforme , [51]  an aggressive type of brain cancer, after experiencing what  White House  officials called "an episode of disorientation and weakness". [52]  A lesion was removed at that time. Biden had radiation and chemotherapy treatments and the cancer remained stable. On May 20, 2015, he was admitted to  Walter Reed National Military Medical Center  in Bethesda, Maryland, because of a recurrence of brain cancer. He died there ten days later, on May 30, 2015, at age 46.

That is 22 months , more than 18 but much less than what you are trying to say. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.2.6  Texan1211  replied to  Jasper2529 @6.2.4    2 years ago
Also - according to Biden's math, Beau returned from Iraq in 2009 and died from glioblastoma multiforme 18 months later, which would have been sometime between 2010 and 2011.   Fact check again: Beau Biden died in 2015.

Math is clearly not a liberal forte. Or reading and comprehending.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
6.2.7  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @6.2.5    2 years ago

More sheer stupidity. The 18 months refers to the time from cancer diagnosis to death (it was actually 22 months) and not to the year Beau Biden left Iraq. 

Its just amazing the amount of information these right wingers misinterpret. 

 
 
 
dennissmith
Freshman Silent
6.2.8  dennissmith  replied to  JohnRussell @6.2.7    2 years ago

The walking back of what Biden says continues

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
6.2.9  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  dennissmith @6.2.8    2 years ago

Does it ever end?

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
6.4  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @6    2 years ago
. He may be right about that, he may be wrong, but it is not a "lie'.

Lol. If Trump made the exact claim, you and the fact checkers you cite would absolutely claim he was lying. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
6.4.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @6.4    2 years ago

If Ivanka was hit by a car in Paris and then flown home to a U.S. hospital and died there, I would not rag on Trump for saying "she lost her life in Paris". It would be ridiculous to do so. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
6.4.2  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @6.4.1    2 years ago
a was hit by a car in Paris and then flown home to a U.S. hospital and died the

Biden is guessing his son's cancer was caused by being in Iraq.  You call Trump a liar for stating facts because you would prefer a  different interpretation of those facts. By that standard, it's perfectly justifiable to call Biden a liar for asserting the cause of his son's cancer without knowing the truth of it 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
6.4.3  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @6.4.2    2 years ago

You can do whatever you want. This harassment of Biden is petty. 

Trump has done far far far more "making things up". They are not even in the same ballpark. They are not even in the same zip code, county state country or planet. 

Are you watching the hearing today Sean?  More overwhelming evidence that Trump approved of the Jan 6 insurrection as it happened. 

 
 
 
afrayedknot
Junior Quiet
6.5  afrayedknot  replied to  JohnRussell @6    2 years ago

“This seed is complete jackassery.”

Indeed. Time to step off before one lose one’s mind.

Peace, all. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.5.1  Texan1211  replied to  afrayedknot @6.5    2 years ago
Time to step off before one lose one’s mind.

Far too late for Biden sycophants.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
7  Sean Treacy    2 years ago

He lied about his wife and kids being killed by a drunk driver too. 

Exploiting his family tragedies isn't new. 

 
 
 
Blessed Be The Fruit
Freshman Silent
8  Blessed Be The Fruit     2 years ago

I can't make fun of Joe anymore, I have a relative suffering from dementia. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
9  TᵢG    2 years ago

Biden should not exaggerate this way.   It is, in effect, misleading / dishonest even if Biden views Beau's cancer as coming from his tour of duty.

What amazes me though are those who rail on Biden, legitimately, for this gratuitous political dishonesty but give a pass to arguably the most outrageous liar who ever served as PotUS ... Trump.

 
 
 
pat wilson
Professor Participates
9.1  pat wilson  replied to  TᵢG @9    2 years ago
gratuitous political dishonesty

Biden talking about his dead son is "gratuitous political dishonesty" ?

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
9.1.1  TᵢG  replied to  pat wilson @9.1    2 years ago

No, Biden suggesting that Beau "lost his life in Iraq" is gratuitous political dishonesty.

It connotes the idea that his son was killed during active duty in Iraq.   

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
9.1.2  JohnRussell  replied to  TᵢG @9.1.1    2 years ago

You're kidding, right?  This story (Biden believing his son died from a cancer contracted in Iraq) is over 4 years old. By this time it is well known that this is what Biden believes. There is no political dishonesty in this at all. Personally I think Biden talks about his dead son too much. Maybe its because the other one is so troubled. But this has nothing to do with trying to take political advantage of something. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
9.1.3  TᵢG  replied to  JohnRussell @9.1.2    2 years ago

Believing that Beau died from cancer contracted in Iraq is not the same as believing Beau "lost his life in Iraq".    The latter connotes "Beau died in action in Iraq".

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
9.1.4  JohnRussell  replied to  TᵢG @9.1.3    2 years ago
The latter connotes "Beau died in action in Iraq".

Not necessarily. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
9.1.5  TᵢG  replied to  JohnRussell @9.1.4    2 years ago

Well of course not 'necessarily' but it surely is what most Americans would connote given the claim:  "lost his life in Iraq".

"My son 'Fred' lost his life in Iraq."    What does that mean to you, John?   What is the most obvious meaning you would get if someone made that statement to you?

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
9.1.6  Tacos!  replied to  TᵢG @9.1.1    2 years ago
It connotes the idea that his son was killed during active duty in Iraq.

Well, he was on active duty, and Iraq was even a combat zone. So, he arguably could have said his son lost his life in combat, even though managing the pits is not exactly being under fire.

Even so, it’s still dangerous duty in a combat zone that may have ultimately killed him. Is the fact that it took a while important? I don’t know. Maybe.

Fair or not, there is a lot of comparing of valor (aka dick measuring) in the military and I think both veterans and their families feel it. It goes in both positive and negative directions.

On the one hand, you get loved ones like Joe, who seems to be inflating the valor of his son’s service.

On the other hand, I have known guys who served for years, but don’t think of themselves as “veterans” because no one ever shot at them - or even more extreme, they weren’t wounded in combat.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
9.1.7  TᵢG  replied to  Tacos! @9.1.6    2 years ago
Well, he was on active duty, and Iraq was even a combat zone. So, he arguably could have said his son lost his life in combat, even though managing the pits is not exactly being under fire.

Do you think that would be accurate or misleading from the actual truth?   Because Beau clearly did not die in combat.

I am not suggesting Biden just flat out lied.   I am suggesting ... observing actually ... that Biden took a kernel of truth and spun it into a meaning (the natural interpretation) that is not true.

Beau may have died as a result of some kind of exposure in Iraq.    It is possible.   But Beau absolutely did not die while on duty in Iraq.    He returned from Iraq in September, 2009 after finishing his tour of duty and was diagnosed with cancer in 2013 and later died from same in 2015.

I do not know about you, but I am against politicians (anyone) using language which misrepresents the truth.

Of course my underlying point was to note that many making a big stink about this misrepresentation do so after making excuses for Trump who will no doubt be the most dishonest, narcissistic PotUS in our history.

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
9.1.8  Tacos!  replied to  TᵢG @9.1.7    2 years ago
Do you think that would be accurate or misleading from the actual truth?

I think it depends on what the speaker is going for with his audience. If it’s an emotional conversation with a Dad, who is basically saying “the war killed my boy,” I don’t have a problem with it.

But Beau absolutely did not die while on duty in Iraq.

Sure, but the question is: “does that matter?”

Splitting hairs over this kind of thing is why a lot of Vietnam vets couldn’t get help for their exposure to Agent Orange.

It’s why people in New York who die from respiratory disease might not be thought of as direct victims of 9/11. That’s why we still fight over financial help for them and their families.

Because Beau clearly did not die in combat.

But he arguably died as a result of combat. We could spin ourselves round in circles all day over that one.

The political nature of this changes the whole calculus. What is Biden up to? I think it’s fair to speculate that he might be trying to get votes for his allies this November, and for himself two years from now.

On the other hand, maybe he was thinking about the fight to get Congress to grant more aid to veterans suffering from the effects of those burn pits. If that’s what he was up to, then I think I might be ok with it. The problem with that theory is that that victory was already achieved this year.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
9.1.9  TᵢG  replied to  Tacos! @9.1.8    2 years ago
Splitting hairs over this kind of thing is why a lot of Vietnam vets couldn’t get help for their exposure to Agent Orange.

If you notice what I wrote @9, I started by acknowledging the validity of the complaint against Biden.   I then went on to make the point that certain individuals make a big deal out of Biden's stretching the truth while giving arguably the worst liar in PotUS history (Trump) a pass (and even defending him).

Funny how I have spent all my time after my comment @9 dealing with objections to my acknowledging the validity of the complaint.

I would have thought the conservative members would be the one's up in arms.   It is amusing that here the non-conservative (more independent, more D) members are the ones raising a stink.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
9.1.10  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  TᵢG @9.1.1    2 years ago

Bingo!

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
9.1.11  Tacos!  replied to  TᵢG @9.1.9    2 years ago
If you notice what I wrote @9, I started by acknowledging the validity of the complaint against Biden.

I guess I don’t follow. Are you concerned that I think you haven’t acknowledged it?

I then went on to make the point that certain individuals make a big deal out of Biden's stretching the truth while giving arguably the worst liar in PotUS history (Trump) a pass (and even defending him).

I’m sure that’s true. Personally, I try to address each story on its own merits.

Funny how I have spent all my time after my comment @9 dealing with objections to my acknowledging the validity of the complaint.

I’m afraid I haven’t been concerning myself with all that.

It is amusing that here the non-conservative (more independent, more D) members are the ones raising a stink.

Well, they’re more mad that anyone sought to criticize him at all, aren’t they? That’s sort of par for the course.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
9.1.12  TᵢG  replied to  Tacos! @9.1.11    2 years ago
I guess I don’t follow. Are you concerned that I think you haven’t acknowledged it?

Not concerned at all.   I was noting that I acknowledged the validity of the complaint against Biden but noted by comparison with Trump how odd it is for people to be so worked up over this event given the over-the-top insanity of the immediately prior PotUS.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
9.1.13  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  JohnRussell @9.1.4    2 years ago

Nothing like insisting on splitting hairs on this one.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
9.1.14  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Tacos! @9.1.6    2 years ago

As I stated above, being in a combat zone does not equate to being in combat. In combat means in actual contact with enemy forces.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
9.2  JohnRussell  replied to  TᵢG @9    2 years ago
It is, in effect, misleading / dishonest even if Biden views Beau's cancer as coming from his tour of duty.

No, it is a way of phrasing something that not everyone agrees with. 

If someone is buried in an avalanche in Italy , suffers great injury and then is brought back to the US and dies at home, would it be wrong for their family to say "she lost her life in Italy"? Of course not. 

This entire thing is silly. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
9.2.1  TᵢG  replied to  JohnRussell @9.2    2 years ago
This entire thing is silly. 

I agree that the uproar is silly.   Note that you have jumped all over the Biden portion of my comment where I justifiably deem this to be misleading and gratuitous and thus diluted the impact of this point:

TiG @9 ☞ What amazes me though are those who rail on Biden, legitimately, for this gratuitous political dishonesty but give a pass to arguably the most outrageous liar who ever served as PotUS ... Trump.

There are folks here who are getting all upset that Biden was misleading / dishonest yet give a pass to Trump who will very likely go down in history as the most dishonest, narcissistic PotUS of all time.

 
 
 
dennissmith
Freshman Silent
9.2.2  dennissmith  replied to  TᵢG @9.2.1    2 years ago

This article is about Biden and what he said, not about Trump. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
9.2.3  TᵢG  replied to  dennissmith @9.2.2    2 years ago

Brilliant.  256

My comment was about Biden and what he said in comparison to Trump (the most recent PotUS).

Buy a vowel.

 
 
 
dennissmith
Freshman Silent
9.2.4  dennissmith  replied to  TᵢG @9.2.3    2 years ago

Again, what Biden said about his son has NOTHING to do with Trump.

Trying to make is about Trump is ridiculous.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
9.2.5  TᵢG  replied to  dennissmith @9.2.4    2 years ago
Again, what Biden said about his son has NOTHING to do with Trump.

Wrong.   This seed is about Biden (the PotUS) exaggerating.   Obviously there is nothing wrong with a PotUS relating to others who have or know sons who lost their lives due to military service.   The complaint is not that he mentioned Beau but that he erroneously implied that Beau died in Iraq.

In short:  the seed is attacking Biden for stretching the truth;  not because he mentioned his son.   Given the most recent holder of the office, jumping on Biden for this relatively minor offense is what is ridiculous.

The hypocrisy is from folks (like yourself) who jump all over Biden for a relatively minor stretching of the truth (and he is indeed guilty of that) while defending Trump (the most recent PotUS) who is arguably the record holder for PotUS' in terms of quantity and quality of flat-out lies.

See?   

 
 
 
arkpdx
Professor Quiet
9.2.6  arkpdx  replied to  TᵢG @9.2.5    2 years ago
The hypocrisy is from folks (like yourself) who jump all over Biden for a relatively minor stretching of the truth (and he is indeed guilty of that) while defending Trump 

I would say that the hypocrisy is with those who dumped on Trump for every thing he said yet give Biden a pass for no matter what he does. 

 
 
 
dennissmith
Freshman Silent
9.2.7  dennissmith  replied to  TᵢG @9.2.5    2 years ago

Your deflection/spin is once again noted

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
9.3  Texan1211  replied to  TᵢG @9    2 years ago

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Drinker of the Wry
Senior Expert
10  Drinker of the Wry    2 years ago

Exactly, both Trump and Biden avoided Military Service through dishonest means.

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
11  Tacos!    2 years ago
Biden said in a 2019 speech that he believes Beau's "exposure to burn pits" in Iraq "in my view, I can't prove it yet, he came back with stage four glioblastoma. Eighteen months he lived, knowing he was going to die."

That’s a point of view I think I could forgive in a father. I’m not sure I would exactly phrase it as “lost his life in Iraq,” but I can see where a parent might come to think of it that way.

What complicates the discussion is the fact that Biden is a politician, and one who is particularly well-known for being full of shit - even about the deaths of his family members. 

Biden has said at least twice (in political speeches) that his first wife and his daughter were killed when they were hit by a drunk driver, even though there has never been any evidence that the man was drunk and no charges were ever filed. In fact, the evidence is that Mrs. Biden drove out into the path of the truck.

So would Joe Biden stretch the truth about something so serious for political gain? Absolutely.

 
 
 
Ronin2
Professor Quiet
11.1  Ronin2  replied to  Tacos! @11    2 years ago

Why is it when Trump does it is lying; yet when Brandon does it becomes "stretching the truth"? Or a "Joeism"; or "alternate reality"; or "Joe being Joe"? Any euphemism to avoid what it really is, lying.

Joe has been doing it for decades to serve his own political gain. He needs to be held to the same standards the left and media held Trump to.  

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
11.1.1  Tacos!  replied to  Ronin2 @11.1    2 years ago
Why is it when Trump does it is lying; yet when Brandon does it becomes "stretching the truth"? Or a "Joeism"; or "alternate reality"; or "Joe being Joe"? Any euphemism to avoid what it really is, lying.

That sounds like a generality, unless you have some specific citation to something I have said? Regardless, I hope JR reads your comment so he can see how mean I am to Trump.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
11.1.2  TᵢG  replied to  Ronin2 @11.1    2 years ago
Why is it when Trump does it is lying; yet when Brandon does it becomes "stretching the truth"? Or a "Joeism"; or "alternate reality"; or "Joe being Joe"? Any euphemism to avoid what it really is, lying.

If someone takes a kernel of truth and exaggerates, that is what is meant by 'stretching the truth'.

Do you think it accurate to say that Trump 'stretched the truth' when he claimed that he won in 2020?

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
11.1.3  Texan1211  replied to  Ronin2 @11.1    2 years ago
Why is it when Trump does it is lying; yet when Brandon does it becomes "stretching the truth"? Or a "Joeism"; or "alternate reality"; or "Joe being Joe"?

The simple truth is that Biden is a Democrat and Trump isn't.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
11.1.4  TᵢG  replied to  Texan1211 @11.1.3    2 years ago

The reality is that there is no comparison between the lying of Trump — especially his Big Lie campaign — and the lies / exaggerations of Biden.

Trump made history;  he will be, by far, the all time leader in flat out lying (both quantity and quality) and narcissism out of all PotUS' and it will be a record that likely will not be broken.

In Trump speak:  'Never has there been a PotUS who has lied more and with a level of dishonesty more than Trump'.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
11.1.5  Texan1211  replied to  TᵢG @11.1.4    2 years ago

For someone so well-read and always informed, how did you miss that this isn't the usual run-of-the-mill Trump hit piece, but in reality is an article about a Biden lie?

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
11.1.6  TᵢG  replied to  Texan1211 @11.1.5    2 years ago

Apparently you missed my point again.   My point is that while the criticism is valid, it is nit-picky and remarkable given many of those who would rail on Biden for his stretching the truth, routinely make excuses for the most prolific and extreme lying PotUS in US history (Trump).

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
11.1.7  Texan1211  replied to  TᵢG @11.1.6    2 years ago
Apparently you missed my point again. 

Amazingly wrong again.

Look, I get the need to drone on and on about Trump on an article about Biden, and can recognize uncontrollable urges when I see them, after all, it is easy when you see it daily here.

I damn sure wish you would stop thinking people "miss your 'point'". If it occurs nearly as often as you seem to think, perhaps you should make a real point clearly instead of spending so much time and energy deflecting.

Tell you what, why don't you seed an article about Trump since THAT is what you want to talk about.

Me, I would rather talk about what is in the article posted here.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
11.1.8  TᵢG  replied to  Texan1211 @11.1.7    2 years ago
... perhaps you should make a real point ...

My point (stated again @11.1.6) is that while the criticism is valid, it is nit-picky and remarkable given many of those who would rail on Biden for his stretching the truth, routinely make excuses for the most prolific and extreme lying PotUS in US history (Trump).

For further info, see TiG @9

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
11.1.9  Texan1211  replied to  TᵢG @11.1.8    2 years ago

Your point, your point, your precious point.

Take the last word, I am getting bored with your repeated (ad nauseum)posts

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
11.1.10  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  TᵢG @11.1.2    2 years ago

Or is it possible that in Biden's possible deterioration of mental acuity he cannot tell the difference between stretching the truth or out and out lying either way?

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
11.1.11  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  TᵢG @11.1.2    2 years ago
Do you think it accurate to say that Trump 'stretched the truth' when he claimed that he won in 2020?

Hey, GREAT post--------IF THE TOPIC WAS WHAT YOU WANT TO YAK ABOUT.

But--and correct me if I am wrong------the article was NOT about all that shit now was it?  What do you say we get back on the topic?

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
11.1.12  TᵢG  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @11.1.10    2 years ago

Biden has exaggerated and embellished throughout his political career.   

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
11.1.13  Tacos!  replied to  TᵢG @11.1.4    2 years ago
The reality is that there is no comparison between the lying of Trump — especially his Big Lie campaign — and the lies / exaggerations of Biden.

That is true, of course. 

On the other hand, They did impeach Trump twice, and there are currently multiple investigations ongoing pursuing some kind of exposure and prosecution of his lies. The worst that is happening to Biden is a little criticism or mockery in the press and on the internet.

So, that all seems pretty fair. I don’t think anyone need be concerned that different behavior is being treated the same. It’s not.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
11.1.14  TᵢG  replied to  Tacos! @11.1.13    2 years ago

A good example of where 'fair' is not 'right'.    It would be 'fair' if every PotUS from here on out was impeached by the opposing party.

Our politicians are collectively a net negative for the health of our nation.

 
 
 
dennissmith
Freshman Silent
11.1.15  dennissmith  replied to  Texan1211 @11.1.5    2 years ago

TDS is alive and well in some peoples heads.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
11.1.16  TᵢG  replied to  dennissmith @11.1.15    2 years ago

TDS is more accurately applied to those who defend and support Trump.   Those of us who clearly see the wrongdoing that Trump has done and the damage he has done and continues to do to the GoP and the nation are not the ones who are deranged.    Delusion / derangement = supporting / defending Trump.

And note, Dennis, that I am responding to your comment which perpetuates talk of Trump in spite of your 'off topic' whining.   If you do not want more Trump talk, don't egg it on.

 
 
 
Ronin2
Professor Quiet
11.1.17  Ronin2  replied to  TᵢG @11.1.8    2 years ago
routinely make excuses for the most prolific and extreme lying PotUS in US history (Trump).

Tell us all where Biden ranks on that list of lying presidents? Everything he utters is a lie. It just gets reclassified into a lesser offense by the media and his apologists.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
11.1.18  TᵢG  replied to  Ronin2 @11.1.17    2 years ago

Nobody compares to Trump.   Amazing that you do not see this.

Further, I do not condone lying by any politician;   there is no excusing deception by public officials.

One needs to have perspective and nothing comes close to Trump's Big Lie campaign and that is just his greatest set of lies.   His history is replete with lies.   So I have no respect for complaints about Biden's stretching of the truth and other harmless lies by those who give Trump a pass.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
11.1.19  Texan1211  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @11.1.11    2 years ago
But--and correct me if I am wrong------the article was NOT about all that shit now was it?  What do you say we get back on the topic?

Does it ever matter?

The same folks always show up on any Biden article and start flapping their gums about Trump---like HUNDREDS and HUNDREDS of Trump articles haven't been posted here over the years.

Their myopia shows up daily, rendering many of them immune to common sense and strips knowledge of how to identify subject matter, apparently.

I see it daily.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
11.1.20  Texan1211  replied to  dennissmith @11.1.15    2 years ago

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arkpdx
Professor Quiet
11.1.21  arkpdx  replied to  TᵢG @11.1.16    2 years ago
Those of us who clearly see the wrongdoing that Trump has done and the damage he has done and continues to do to the GoP and the nation are not the ones who are deranged.

Yet you say nothing to those who continually dismiss the wrong doing and damage Biden has done. You know the southern border illegal alien crisis, the highest inflation rate in 40 years, the recession we are in, the end of energy independence and being a exporter or energy exporters, the highest gas prices ever, the sharp increase in murders and other violent crimes, all under his watch. None of that was true during Trump term., Quite the opposite was true.  Please don't ask me to give thanks to Biden for his fuckups .

Oh and lts not forget his working with his son ton assist foreign governments and covering up his wrong doing. 

 
 
 
arkpdx
Professor Quiet
11.1.22  arkpdx  replied to  Texan1211 @11.1.19    2 years ago
The same folks always show up on any Biden article and start flapping their gums about Trump-- 

And the same folks post seeds and articles day after day on any and all topics making Trump look bad true or not. And those same folks defend biden's lies wrongdoings and mistakes to the nth degree. 

Their myopia shows up daily, rendering many of them immune to common sense and strips knowledge of how to identify subject matter, apparently.

I see it daily.

Even thru your own case of myopia? 

 

 

 

 
 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
11.1.23  TᵢG  replied to  arkpdx @11.1.21    2 years ago

Get a new line.   The ‘you say nothing’ approach is both wrong and personal.

 
 
 
arkpdx
Professor Quiet
11.1.24  arkpdx  replied to  TᵢG @11.1.23    2 years ago

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Texan1211
Professor Principal
11.1.25  Texan1211  replied to  arkpdx @11.1.24    2 years ago
The truth hurts you doesn't it?

Just another deflection away from Biden.

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arkpdx
Professor Quiet
11.1.26  arkpdx  replied to  arkpdx @11.1.24    2 years ago

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dennissmith
Freshman Silent
11.2  dennissmith  replied to  Tacos! @11    2 years ago

That’s a point of view I think I could forgive in a father. I’m not sure I would exactly phrase it as “lost his life in Iraq,” but I can see where a parent might come to think of it that way.

Absolutely agree with that. 

So would Joe Biden stretch the truth about something so serious for political gain? Absolutely.

Absolutely agree with that also.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
12  JohnRussell    2 years ago
In December 2008, Major Biden shipped out to Iraq with the rest of his unit. While in Iraq, he was stationed mostly at Camp Victory, which was located just outside of the new Baghdad International Airport. He also spent several weeks at Joint Base Balad, forty miles north of Baghdad. During his tour of duty, he was highly respected by both his peers and the enlisted soldiers serving with him. As the son of a prominent political figure, Beau Biden was a rarity in today’s U.S. armed forces. Only about a fifth of Congress has any military experience, and only about 1 percent of all senators and House members have children in uniform. Major Biden’s peers knew that he was, in the words of the old Creedence Clearwater song, a “Fortunate Son.” He easily could have avoided going to war, but he didn’t. Instead Biden chose to serve his country, right there in the unbearable heat of the Iraqi desert alongside soldiers who, in nearly all cases, had far fewer options than the vice president’s son. As Major Biden walked through the base camps, younger soldiers would often go out of their way to salute him, shake his hand, and thank him for serving with them. During his Iraq tour, Major Biden performed his duties as a JAG officer at a high standard and set an example for his peers. For his exemplary performance, he was awarded the Bronze Star for meritorious service in a combat zone.

In September 2009, Major Biden returned home from his tour of duty to his home in Wilmington, Delaware, reuniting with his family and returning to his civilian job as attorney general for the state of Delaware. But Biden’s life soon took a tragic turn. One day in May 2010, eight months after returning from Iraq, Beau woke up with a headache, numbness in his limbs, and paralysis on one side of his body. He was rushed to Christiana Hospital in Newark, Delaware, where doctors determined that the physically fit, forty-one-year-old Biden had suffered a mild stroke. After being transferred to Thomas Jefferson Memorial Hospital in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, for a few more days of observation, Biden was released. But his health soon began deteriorating.

Biden started feeling increasingly fatigued and weak, and he sometimes experienced episodes of disorientation. Finally, in August 2013, Beau was diagnosed with brain cancer and was admitted to the University of Texas MD Anderson Cancer Center in Houston. There, he had a lesion removed from his brain and received radiation and chemotherapy treatments. Following these treatments, Biden’s cancer went into remission and he and his family were filled with a new sense of hope. Less than two years later, however, the cancer returned and Beau was again hospitalized, this time at Walter Reed National Military Medical Center in Bethesda, Maryland. This time, his doctors concluded there was not much they could do to help him except keep him comfortable. Ten days later, on May 30, 2015, Beau Biden died at age forty-six. A grief-stricken Vice President Biden released a brief family statement on his passing: “Quite simply, Beau Biden was the finest man any of us have ever known.”

Unfortunately, there are many other tragic stories like Beau Biden’s among the ranks of those who served with him. During Major Biden’s months of deployment at Camp Victory and Joint Base Balad, both bases had multiple burn pits that operated round-the-clock, with no environmental restrictions. Many of Biden’s fellow service members at these bases returned home with serious health problems. Army Warrant Officer Daniel Tijerina, who served at Camp Victory, later recalled the horrific burn pits there:

I lived and worked under a mile away from where KBR and Halliburton operated open-air burn pits sites which produced toxic smoke, ash, and fumes generated through the disposal of waste in open-air burn pits. The toxic smoke and smell would routinely hover over the Camp Victory complex during the late-night and early-morning hours, because temperature inversions kept the plume on the surface or just above. I believe that I also ingested various amounts of toxins through food sources because of smoke plume dispersion through Camp Victory facilities. Camp Victory and [the] nearby cluster of military camps did not have clean-burning incinerators, or other [safe] methods for disposal of all waste at these open burn pits in place. KBR and Halliburton burned vast quantities of unsorted waste in enormous open-air burn pits with no safety controls. The open-air burn pits … created a vast amount of smoke and smell … [that] blew over and inside Camp Victory facilities, such as work stations, several dining facilities, medical facilities, personal hygiene facilities, and living areas. Jet fuel was used to start the burn pit fires. Waste that was burned by KBR and Halliburton contractors included animal carcasses, asbestos insulation, biohazard materials, cleaning supplies, dangerous chemicals, hydraulic fluids, items containing pesticides, incomplete combustion by-products, human waste, a variety of chemicals, lacquers, lithium batteries, medical supplies (including those used during smallpox inoculations), medical and hazardous electronic waste, metals, human corpses, munitions boxes, paints and paint strippers, paper/cardboard, petroleum-oil-lubricating products, rubbers, office equipment such as copiers, printers, monitors, glues, and adhesives, plastic water bottles, polyvinyl chloride pipes, rubber, solvents, Styrofoam, tires, trucks, and wood.

As hard as it may be to imagine, the burn pits at Balad—the other base where Major Biden was stationed—were widely considered to be even worse than those at Camp Victory.

Just like Beau Biden, many service members stationed at those two bases during that time frame were in perfect health prior to being sent to Iraq. After their deployment, they became seriously ill. Just from my own research, I contacted one hundred and twelve service members and contractors who were stationed at Camp Victory and Joint Base Balad. Some were stationed at these bases at the same time that Major Biden was there. They all became very ill from what they believe was their exposure to the burn pits. Shockingly, of those one hundred and twelve service members, thirty-one suffer from different forms of cancers and brain tumors. 

from the book

"The Burn Pits: The Poisoning of America's Soldiers," by Joseph Hickman.
 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
12.1  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @12    2 years ago

The author of the book says it is likely , in his opinion, that Beau Bidens cancer came from exposure to the burn pits in iraq. 

 
 
 
pat wilson
Professor Participates
12.1.1  pat wilson  replied to  JohnRussell @12.1    2 years ago

This disgusting article should never have seen the light of day. The notion that anyone, anyone can judge the words of a grieving father or suggest ulterior motives in his words is just obscene to me. 

I hope anyone whose lost a loved one or will lose a loved one will never be castigated like this for their words of grief.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
12.1.2  JohnRussell  replied to  pat wilson @12.1.1    2 years ago

Maybe a charitable way to put it is that they cant help themselves. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
12.1.3  Texan1211  replied to  pat wilson @12.1.1    2 years ago
This disgusting article should never have seen the light of day.

The truth is disgusting?????

 
 
 
arkpdx
Professor Quiet
12.1.4  arkpdx  replied to  Texan1211 @12.1.3    2 years ago
The truth is disgusting?????

It is to the left. It like holy water or sun light to a vampire. 

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
12.1.5  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  pat wilson @12.1.1    2 years ago

I lost my only son and my wife four months apart and had somebody do exactly that to me right here on NT about two years ago so spare me. That person is still a active member to this day even after being reported.

 
 
 
pat wilson
Professor Participates
12.1.6  pat wilson  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @12.1.5    2 years ago

I'm so sorry for your loss. I remember you talking about it. What a terrible thing to go through much less having someone, a stranger basically judge your grief.

 
 
 
dennissmith
Freshman Silent
12.2  dennissmith  replied to  JohnRussell @12    2 years ago
For his exemplary performance, he was awarded the Bronze Star for meritorious service in a combat zone.
I came back from Vietnam and was honorably discharged early due to injury from mortar attack. 
A bronze star is typically issued for everyone who served in a combat zone.  Also received Vietnam Service and Vietnam Campaign medals as did everyone else.
Receiving a Purple Heart was a different issue.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
13  Sean Treacy    2 years ago

So in the last month or so, he’s Asked to speak to a dead congresswoman, claimed he was raised by Puerto Ricans, wandered around and had to be escorted off a stage, wandered away during a hurricane briefing and now this. 
 
Abe Simpson is our president. 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
13.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Sean Treacy @13    2 years ago
Abe Simpson is our president. 

Sadly that is true.  jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
arkpdx
Professor Quiet
13.1.1  arkpdx  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @13.1    2 years ago

Shoot, Homer Simpson would make a better president than what we are stick with now. 

 
 

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