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S&P 500 gains after Powell says the Fed is getting inflation down

  

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Via:  jbb  •  last year  •  38 comments

By:   Alex Harring,Samantha Subin (CNBC)

S&P 500 gains after Powell says the Fed is getting inflation down
Investors will listen closely to Federal Reserve Chairman Jerome Powell's speech on Tuesday, searching for clues on what's next for monetary policy.

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Stocks recovered Tuesday and were higher after Federal Reserve Chair Jerome Powell reiterated that inflation was starting to decline.

The S&P 500 traded up 0.5%, while the Nasdaq Composite gained 0.8%. The Dow Jones Industrial Average was up about 38 points, reversing an earlier loss of 186 points.

"The disinflationary process, the process of getting inflation down, has begun and its begun in the goods sector," Powell said Tuesday midday in a conversation at the Economic Club of Washington, D.C. "But it has a long way to go. These are the very early stages of disinflation."

Technology stocks led the gains as interest rates pulled back on Powell's words, with Microsoft, Apple and Alphabet trading into the green. Big banks like JPMorgan and Bank of America also traded higher on hope the Fed wouldn't tip the economy into a recession.

The overall market gain was contained, however, as Powell also said the Fed could be forced to hike more aggressively and that it was too early to tell.

"The reality is we're going to react to the data," Powell said. "So if we continue to get, for example, strong labor market reports or higher inflation reports, it may well be the case that we have do more and raise rates more than is priced in."

His Tuesday comments follow Powell's press conference last week after the Fed decision as suggesting that the central bank believes it's making solid progress in bringing down inflation. Those comments were viewed as dovish by investors and set off a rally in stocks.

"Just as the Fed is data dependent, investors are Powell-comment dependent," said Sam Stovall, chief investment strategist at CFRA Research.

Earnings season pressed on Tuesday, with results from companies such as Chipotle coming after the bell. So far this season, a little over half of S&P 500 companies have reported earnings, with about 69% surpassing expectations, according to FactSet data.

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Powell warns that economic surprises could push rates higher


Federal Reserve Chairman Jerome Powell cautioned Wednesday that surprisingly strong economic data like last week's jobs report could push the central bank into raising interest rates more than markets expect.

"The reality is we're going to react to the data," he said during an appearance at the Economic Club of Washington, D.C. "So if we continue to get, for example, strong labor market reports or higher inflation reports, it may well be the case that we have do more and raise rates more than is priced in."

Markets currently expect the Fed to raise rates a quarter percentage point each at the March and May meetings, then pause and possibly cut before the end of the year.

—Jeff Cox

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Powell likens his term "disinflation" to "declining inflation"


Federal Reserve Chair Jerome Powell has used the term "disinflation" numerous times to reporters this week, saying that we're in the "early stages of disinflation" and that the "disinflationary process" of tamping down inflation with ongoing rate hikes is underway.

In today's speech, Powell clarified the term and said: "I would call it declining inflation too."

— Pia Singh

15 Min Ago

Powell says Fed can't save economy if Congress fails to raise the debt ceiling


Federal Reserve Chairman Jerome Powell said the central bank cannot shield the U.S. economy if Congress fails to act to raise the $31.4 trillion debt ceiling.

The nation hit its statutory debt limit last month, but Republican lawmakers have held off on raising the limit in order to push for spending cuts. So far, Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen has been able to take steps to avoid default, and buy extra time.

In comments at an event in Washington, D.C. Tuesday, Powell said there is only one way to resolve the issue.

"This is something that Congress has to do," he said.

The U.S. has never defaulted on its debt, and officials say doing so would have a severe economic and financial impact.

—Christina Cheddar Berk

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Powell says he's not seeing disinflation in the services sector


Federal Reserve Chair Jerome Powell said he's seeing disinflation in the goods sector, and expects to see it in the housing services sector. However, he's not seeing it in the services sector just yet.

"There is 56% of the economy, which is the rest of the services sector. It's the biggest part, obviously, and we're not seeing disinflation there yet. And that's going to take some time," Powell said during an event at the Economic Club in Washington, D.C..

"We need to be patient, and we think we're going to need to keep rates at a restrictive level for a period of time before that comes down," Powell said.

— Sarah Min

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Economy is in the very early stages of disinflation, Powell says


The process of getting inflation down has begun, but has a long way to go, Federal Reserve Chair Jerome Powell said.

"These are the very early stages of disinflation," he said.

It has begun in the goods sector, but the services sector - except for housing services - is not showing any signs of disinflation yet, Powell said. The process will take some time, he added.

"It's not going to be, we don't think, smooth. It is probably going to be bumpy and so we think that we're need to do further rate increases, as we said, and we think we'll need to hold policy at a restricted level for a period of time," Powell said.

— Michelle Fox

33 Min Ago

Dow reverses course as Powell speaks


The Dow turned positive and traded up 180 points after declining as much as 186 points earlier in the session as Fed Chair Jerome Powell spoke.

The S&P 500 and Nasdaq Composite also gained steam, with each trading up more than 1% mid-speech.

Powell said early in the speech that the disinflationary process has begun but still has a long way to go.

"The disinflationary process, the process of getting inflation down, has begun and it's begun in the goods sector," Powell said. "But it has a long way to go. These are the very early stages of disinflation."

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— Alex Harring

37 Min Ago

Zoom Video shares jump nearly 8% after announcing layoff plans


Shares of Zoom Video surged nearly 8% midday after the company announced plans to cut about 1,300 employees, or 15% of its workforce. The stock is up more than 24% so far this year.

CEO Eric Yuan wrote in a blog post shared to the company's website that as the world continues to adjust to life after the pandemic, the company needs to adapt to the "uncertainty of the global economy" as well as "its effect on our customers." Read more here.

Stock Chart IconStock chart icona54b41835a8b60db28c2.svg Shares were up more than 7.5% during midday trading.

— Pia Singh, Ashley Capoot

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Stocks making the biggest moves in midday trading


These stocks are among those making the biggest moves in midday trading:

  • Pinterest — Pinterest shares tumbled 5% after the image discovery company posted mixed quarterly results with an adjusted earnings per share greater than analysts' estimates, but revenue that fell short of expectations. Companies that rely on ad revenue have struggled with demand amid a macro downturn.
  • Oak Street Health — Shares surged more than 30% after the Wall Street Journal reported CVS Health was close to an agreement to buy the primary-care provider for $10.5 billion.
  • Sweetgreen — Shares fell about 6% after Cowen downgraded the salad chain's stock to market perform from outperform, citing "deteriorating value perceptions."
  • Chegg - Chegg's shares dropped more than 19% after sharing revenue guidance for the full year and first quarter that fell short of analyst expectations. The company also said it's facing subscriber growth challenges.

Click here to see more stocks making midday moves.

— Pia Singh

52 Min Ago

Energy leads S&P 500 sectors


Energy performed the best of the 11 S&P 500 sectors on Tuesday, up 1.9%.

Here's where the remaining 10 stand, in order from best to worst:

  • Information technology (1%)
  • Communication services (0.9%)
  • Financials (0.5%)
  • Materials (0.2%)
  • Health care (-0.4%)
  • Industrials (-0.7%)
  • Utilities (-0.9%)
  • Real estate (-1%)
  • Consumer staples (-1.1%)
  • Consumer discretionary (-1.3%)

— Alex Harring

1 Hour Ago

Royal Caribbean stock jumps on quarterly report, stronger 2023 guidance


Shares of Royal Caribbean popped more than 2% on Tuesday after the cruise operator posted its fourth-quarter results.

The company reported a per-share loss of $1.12, narrower than the loss of $1.34 per share anticipated by analysts, according to Refinitiv. However, revenue came up short of expectations, with the company posting $2.60 billion, compared to the $2.61 billion estimated by analysts.

Beneath the surface, the outlook seems rosy for Royal Caribbean, however. The company gave guidance on 2023 per-share earnings of $3.00 to $3.60, excluding items. The company's results also put to rest any concerns investors may have had about softening bookings, with gross revenue totaling $2.6 billion compared to $982 million in the prior year. Booking volumes during the fourth quarter of 2022 were also higher than the corresponding period in 2019 - before the pandemic put the brakes on travel.

The company has also been able to raise prices, Royal Caribbean Group CEO Jason T. Liberty said on the earnings call with analysts Tuesday morning. "We're able to raise prices across these different products and really not seeing a pullback from the consumer as we continue to do so," he said, according to a transcript on FactSet.

China cruising is also emerging as a 2024 opportunity, but two impediments have emerged, according to Michael Bayley, CEO of Royal Caribbean International. "One of them is that there's still a ban technically on cruising and group travel in China," he said on the analyst call. "And also, there's a requirement from the Japanese that Chinese tourist have to test and potentially could be quarantined." He added that the company expects both conditions to "drop away at some 

1 Hour Ago

Credit Suisse upgrades Lockheed Martin


Lockheed Martin can return to growth this year as the outlook for the defense sector strengthens, providing a "meaningful" opportunity for earnings to surprise to the upside, according to Credit Suisse.

Analyst Scott Deuschle upgraded the arms company to outperform from underperform. Deuschle also raised his target price to $510 from $427, which implies shares could rise 11% from the stock's closing price on Monday.

"LMT has now reported three consecutive quarters with book-bill>1.0x, with [trailing 12 months] book:bill accelerating to 1.08x in Q3 and hitting 1.22x in Q4. We view this acceleration as a powerful signal that the rationale for our prior rating no longer holds," Deuschle wrote Monday in a note to clients.

CNBC Pro subscribers can read more about his upgrade here.

— Hakyung Kim

2 Hours Ago

Watch the Nasdaq Composite to see how market reacts to Powell remarks, DFD Partners' CEO says


Those looking to see if investors find Fed Chair Jerome Powell's remarks scheduled for Tuesday afternoon more hawkish or dovish should watch the Nasdaq Composite, according to Devon Drew, CEO of DFD Partners.

Drew said the technology-heavy index will likely move depending on how Powell's remarks are received because it is comprised of mainly high-growth stocks.

Growth stocks are typically more sensitive to interest rate hikes, he said, so investors who take Powell's comments to indicate more rate hikes to come, or for longer, will likely sell off. On the other hand, Drew said investors will likely increase exposure to Nasdaq components if they believe Powell indicated lower interest rates could be on the horizon.

"Long-duration stocks and higher rates — they just don't jive," he said in an interview with CNBC.

The Nasdaq Composite has fluctuated between trading above and below the flatline Tuesday.

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— Alex Harring

2 Hours Ago

Ron Baron says Tesla could hit $1,500 a share by 2030


Longtime investor Ron Baron, who runs one of the best-performing mutual funds, said he's standing by his growth darlings, unfazed by the volatility in the stock market, especially in the tech sector.

"I'm not really worried about the stock market," Baron said on CNBC's "Squawk Box" Tuesday. "I don't worry about the market. I don't worry about the economy."

The veteran investor said he's seeing unprecedented demand for Tesla's vehicles, predicting the stock to skyrocket to $1,500 by 2030. Elon Musk's Tesla has a 30% portfolio weighting in Baron's fund, the biggest holding in the portfolio.

— Yun Li

3 Hours Ago

2 S&P 500 stocks hit new 52-week highs, while 2 hit new lows


Two stocks in the S&P 500 hit new highs not seen in over a year on Tuesday, while another two reached new lows.

TransDigm Group, an aerospace and defense company that went public in 2006, is at an all-time high. And financial technology company Fiserv notched a high the stock hasn't traded at since September 2021.

On the other hand, Centene and CVS Health traded at lows not seen since November and October of 2021, respectively.

— Alex Harring, Chris Hayes

3 Hours Ago

Powell comments could drive the next short-term market trend


Fed Chair Jerome Powell's comments at the Economic Club of Washington, D.C., later today could decide the next near-term stock market trend.

Scott Redler, partner with T3Live.com, said he's watching the 4,093 level on the S&P 500, which is the low from Monday and also the 8-day moving average. The 8-day is the average of the last eight closing prices and is a short term momentum indicator.

"If we hold that, chances are maybe this trend we've been in through most of January continues," said Redler, who watches short-term technicals. "If we break below it, the active bears have the ball a little more in their court."

The S&P 500 broke above 4,100 in an important move last week and then edged close to 4,200. The S&P 500 gave back some of those gains and closed at 4,111 Monday. It was trading just below 4,100 early Tuesday.

"Today's going to be a very big day for short-term direction," said Redler. "If you want clues, watch Tesla, which has been strong. Watch Meta, which has been strong, and AMD," he said. AMD and Tesla were slightly higher in early trading, while Meta was lower.

Powell sparked a massive rally Wednesday, after his comments were taken as dovish by the market. Some Fed watchers expect Powell to repeat the more hawkish comments he's been making, like the Fed intends to raise rates and hold them there for a while. The futures market has been pricing in a rate hike for the end of the year.

"It's going to be interesting to see if he's a little bit more hawkish than he was Wednesday. The debate is not the ceiling, the debate is the duration," Redler said.

—Patti Domm

4 Hours Ago

Dow down more than 100 points as trading kicks off


The Dow was down more than 100 points as the trading day began with investors bracing for Fed Chair Jerome Powell's speech slated for the afternoon.

The 30-stock index lost 110 points, or 0.3%, shortly after open. The S&P 500 and Nasdaq Composite were down 0.2% and 0.1%, respectively.

— Alex Harring

4 Hours Ago

Goldman Sachs likes Pinterest despite fourth-quarter revenue miss


Pinterest is still on track for gains despite posting mixed fourth-quarter results, according to Goldman Sachs.

Analyst Eric Sheridan reiterated his buy rating on Pinterest after its earnings announcement on Monday. He noted that while Pinterest's overall reported monthly active users missed estimates, it still managed to reach its highest level of engagement. The company's long-term revenue outlook is also promising for investors, according to the analyst.

"While overall reported MAUs missed our estimates, the company's efforts to stimulate engagement seem to be bearing fruit with disclosure that its WAU-to-MAU ratio hit an all-time high," Sheridan wrote in a Tuesday client note.

The stock lost 0.9% in premarket trading Tuesday after advancing nearly 1.5% Monday ahead of the report.

CNBC Pro subscribers can read more about the buy rating here.

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— Hakyung Kim

5 Hours Ago

U.S. trade deficit smaller than expected in December


The U.S. trade deficit came in smaller than economists expected for December.

December's data showed the trade deficit at $67.4 billion. That's a smaller deficit than the $68.5 billion expected by economists polled by Dow Jones.

But it still marks an increase from November's $61 billion shortfall, according to FactSet data.

The data, which estimates the difference in transactions between the U.S. and foreign countries, is published by the Census Bureau and the U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis.

— Alex Harring

5 Hours Ago

Stocks making the biggest moves premarket


These companies are making headlines before the bell:

  • Chegg — Shares dropped 22.7% following its earnings report Monday . The company gave first-quarter and full-year revenue guidance that was below analyst expectations, according to Refinitiv. Chegg noted subscriber growth challenges and concerns related to the health of the broader economy.
  • Baidu — Shares surged more than 13% after Baidu said it would launch its own artificial intelligence chatbot that will be called "Ernie Bot" in English.
  • Bed Bath & Beyond — Shares plunged 30% after Bed Bath & Beyond announced a public offering to raise roughly $1 billion.

Read the full list here.

— Sarah Min

6 Hours Ago

Goldman Sachs downgrades Tyson Foods


Goldman Sachs analyst Adam Samuelson downgraded Tyson Foods to neutral from buy and slashed his price target on the stock, following the release of lackluster earnings on Monday.

"Fundamentally, results revealed a sharp deterioration in profitability across the organization, most notably in Chicken, that undermines our confidence that the cumulative effect of recent operational and strategic changes could sustainability improve margins and earnings for the company," Samuelson wrote in a note to clients.

— Hakyung Kim

7 Hours Ago

Kashkari tells CNBC the Fed has not made enough progress yet


Minneapolis Federal Reserve President Neel Kashkari said early Tuesday that he is not lowering his rate outlook and that the central bank has not made enough progress against inflation to "declare victory."

"We have a job to do. We know that raising rates can put a lid on inflation," Kashkari told CNBC's "Squawk Box." "We need to raise rates aggressively to put a ceiling on inflation, then let monetary policy work its way through the economy."

Kashkari warned inflation may not decline as quickly as the market is currently anticipating and that the jobs market is still too strong.

The data "tells me that so far we're not seeing much of an imprint of our tightening to date on the labor market. There's some evidence that it's having some effect, but it's pretty muted so far," Kashkari said.

"I haven't seen anything yet to lower my rate path, but I'm obviously keeping my eyes open and we'll see how the data comes in," he said.

—John Melloy, Jeff Cox

9 Hours Ago

BP posts record 2022 earnings to join Big Oil profit bonanza


Oil major BP on Tuesday reported record annual profits, more than doubling last year's total as fossil fuel prices soared following Russia's full-scale invasion of Ukraine.

The British energy giant posted underlying replacement cost profit, used as a proxy for net profit, of $27.7 billion for 2022. That compared with $12.8 billion for the previous year.

Read the full story here.

— Sam Meredith

19 Hours Ago

Goldman raises short-term market outlook, expects flat earnings growth in 2023


Goldman Sachs raised its 3-month S&P 500 target to 4,000 from 3,600, but expects its year-end forecast to stay put at 4,000. The broad index on Monday closed at 4,111.08, and it's up about 7% this year.

"A soft landing — and in fact above-trend growth — is already priced in U.S. equities," David Kostin, Goldman's chief U.S. equity strategist, said in a note to clients Friday. "Valuations are elevated vs. history and will be constrained by an eventual rise in interest rates. Even avoiding recession, earnings are unlikely to grow substantially in 2023."

Goldman noted that cyclical industries have outperformed defensives by 12 percentage points this year. Companies that are more vulnerable to economic volatility would benefit from this rotation.

The firm also believes earnings expectations are too high, and anticipates flat earnings growth this season and just 5% growth in 2024. That's below the 1% and 12% growth consensus estimates call for in 2023 and 2024.

Read more about Goldman's outlook here.

— Pia Singh

19 Hours Ago

Dollar rises to four-week high against euro on Monday, buoyed by U.S. jobs data


The dollar rose to four-week high against the euro Monday, propelled by last week's U.S. jobs report raising the prospects of the Federal Reserve continuing its interest rate hikes to fight ongoing inflation.

The dollar index was up 0.7% on the day against a basket of currencies at 103.64.

The euro fell 0.6% against the dollar to $1.0724, its lowest since Jan. 9, following a 1% drop on Friday. The euro is not too far off its 10-month high of $1.1034, which it hit last week.

The yen also fell more than 1% against the U.S. dollar on Monday after the Nikkei newspaper reported that Bank of Japan Deputy Governor Masayoshi Amamiya was approached to be the next governor.

— Pia Singh

19 Hours Ago

Pinterest shares fall on weak outlook, revenue miss


Pinterest shares fell 4% in extended trading after the social media company shared light guidance for the current quarter and posted a fourth-quarter revenue miss.

The company shared earnings of 29 cents a share on revenue of $877 million. Analysts had anticipated EPS of 27 cents on $886 million in revenue.

Pinterest also said it expects revenues to grow in the low single digits for the first quarter over last year, slightly below the 6.9% growth expected.

— Samantha Subin, Jonathan Vanian

19 Hours Ago

Skyworks Solutions, Chegg, ZoomInfo among stocks moving the most after hours


These are some of the stocks moving the most during after-hours trading.

Skyworks Solutions — The semiconductor stock gained about 3% in extended trading after announcing a $2 billion share buyback program. It came despite an earnings miss and light guidance for the current quarter.

Chegg — Chegg shares sank 21% in extended trading after sharing weaker-than-expected first-quarter and full-year revenue guidance, according to Refinitiv. The company cited economic uncertainties and subscriber growth concerns.

ZoomInfo - Shares of the software company dipped about 5.5% after the company's revenue outlook for the first quarter and full year were lower than what analysts expected. ZoomInfo reported better-than-expected earnings and revenue, according to FactSet.

Read the full list of stocks moving in extended trading here.

— Samantha Subin

19 Hours Ago



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JBB
Professor Principal
1  seeder  JBB    last year

Bidenomics For The Win!

 
 
 
Ronin2
Professor Quiet
1.1  Ronin2  replied to  JBB @1    last year

You are hilarious!

The overall market gain was contained, however, as Powell also said the Fed could be forced to hike more aggressively and that it was too early to tell. "The reality is we're going to react to the data," Powell said. "So if we continue to get, for example, strong labor market reports or higher inflation reports, it may well be the case that we have do more and raise rates more than is priced in."

Talk to us after the Fed raises interest rates yet again!

But the Fed’s more leisurely path doesn’t signal anything about its final destination. Interest rates are now at the   highest since 2007 , and the Fed still has more rate hikes up its sleeves. Policymakers could raise rates to 5-5.25 percent before it’s all said and done, signaling two more quarter-point moves from here, according to the   median forecast among Fed officials   from December.

Yet, there’s room for error in almost every prediction. Seven Fed officials saw a scenario where rates could rise even higher than that, with the most aggressive forecasts penciling in a 5.5-5.75 percent target range, the highest since 2000. Bankrate’s Greg McBride, CFA, meanwhile, settled on a 5.25-5.5 percent for the year in his   2023 rate forecast .

Even if the Fed’s highest forecasts come to fruition, it shows that, at most, only 1 percentage point of rate hikes are on the table for the year, nowhere near as steep as the 4.25 percentage points of tightening Fed officials approved in 2022.

Still, more rate hikes equal higher borrowing costs, which are unlikely to fall until the Fed starts to cut interest rates — a policy path no official has said they’re expecting to approve this year.
 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
1.1.1  seeder  JBB  replied to  Ronin2 @1.1    last year

I hear things are bad in Russia, but not here in America where things are improving steadily. Unemployment is practically nonexistent, businesses are profiting, wages are growing, the economy has just had two consecutive quarters of economic growth and inflation is waning...here. How are things where you are? Sounds awful...

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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1.2  Greg Jones  replied to  JBB @1    last year

What the fuck is Bidenomics?  Please explain, in detail, how Biden has helped improve the economy.

Groceries have declined very little. Most new jobs created are not all that well paying.

What we are seeing the post pandemic bounce.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
1.2.1  seeder  JBB  replied to  Greg Jones @1.2    last year

Thanks for conceding things are improving!

Cutting the deficit by a trillion dollars last year plus raising rates is taming inflation...

"Economics is just math" - Pres Bill Clinton

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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2  Right Down the Center    last year

Wow. Dow was up 38 points. Happy days are here again! Unless you go grocery shopping of course.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
2.1  seeder  JBB  replied to  Right Down the Center @2    last year

The DOW was about 26,500 on election day in 2020 under Trump, but it is 34,000 today!

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
2.1.1  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JBB @2.1    last year

Wrong again. Where DO you get your information?

The Dow Jones Industrial Average closed 554.98 points higher, or up 2.1 %, at 27,480.03. The 30-stock average hit its high of the day in the session’s final minutes and briefly traded more than 700 points higher, before pulling back slightly at the close.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
2.1.2  seeder  JBB  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.1.1    last year

The DOW went higher as Trump lost it...

Either way it is way up under Joe Biden!

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
2.1.3  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JBB @2.1.2    last year
The DOW went higher as Trump lost it...

You have a VERY vivid imagination. Do you know what time the stock market closes? Do you know what time the polls close and results start trickling in? I think not.

Either way it is way up under Joe Biden!

Either way, it was way up compared to Obama when Trump won.

With about half an hour to the close, the Dow briefly added more than 300 points and was tracking to close at a record high. The index came within about 25 points of its all-time intraday high of 18,668.44 touched in August and closed within half a percent of that level.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
2.1.4  seeder  JBB  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.1.3    last year

Yes, but that has not one damn thing to do with the fact markets are way up under the leadership of Biden's economic team. BTW, I trade stocks most days...

NY Stock Exchange hours are 9:30 - 4:00.

I must say though, that was about the dumbest diversion I have seen on NT...

What stupid point were you attempting?

A moronic personal insult of zero value!

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
2.1.5  seeder  JBB  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.1.3    last year

The DOW is up today to over 34,000 pts.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
2.1.6  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JBB @2.1.4    last year
What stupid point were you attempting?

The market is up no more under Biden over Trump than it was the day AFTER election day when Trump whipped the chosen one's ass to the election in 2020.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
2.1.7  seeder  JBB  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.1.6    last year

Are you still claiming Trump won in 2020?

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
2.1.8  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JBB @2.1.7    last year

Nope I am using what you posted. The market was up by 8,000 and some change by election day 2020 compared to 2016 election day. Right now, two years in, market is up 6,250 from election day 2020. It has a way to go to reach the same level.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
2.1.9  seeder  JBB  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.1.8    last year

Biden has only been President two years!

And so, by your logic, Joe is doing better...

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
2.1.10  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JBB @2.1.9    last year

Nnnnnnnnnnot yet

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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3  Bob Nelson    last year

"Doin' the Fed!"

It's a fascinating dance. One part advertising, one part banking, and one part bluff.

 
 
 
Ronin2
Professor Quiet
3.1  Ronin2  replied to  Bob Nelson @3    last year

I don't think the Fed is bluffing at all.

The Fed has no reason to bluff.

Democrats sure as hell do trying to spin this into a positive somehow.

 
 
 
evilone
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3.1.1  evilone  replied to  Ronin2 @3.1    last year
Democrats sure as hell do trying to spin this into a positive somehow.

And Republicans are sure as hell trying to spin this into a negative somehow. Same partisan game different day. I'd rather we just take the news as it is - slightly optimistic. It certainly doesn't yet seem like we'll fall into recession just yet.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
3.1.2  seeder  JBB  replied to  evilone @3.1.1    last year

All good news for America, the American people and the American economy is bad news for the gop, and for Putin's Russia!

original

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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3.1.3  Right Down the Center  replied to  JBB @3.1.2    last year

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JBB
Professor Principal
3.1.4  seeder  JBB  replied to  Right Down the Center @3.1.3    last year

original

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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3.1.5  Right Down the Center  replied to  JBB @3.1.4    last year

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JBB
Professor Principal
3.1.7  seeder  JBB  replied to  Right Down the Center @3.1.5    last year

Does that play well in Saint Petersburg?

How is that war in Ukraine going so far?

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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3.1.8  Right Down the Center  replied to  JBB @3.1.7    last year

Maybe you should ask the Ukrainian civilians how they think it is going.

256

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
3.1.9  seeder  JBB  replied to  Right Down the Center @3.1.8    last year

Thank you for making my point for me...

I support Biden [deleted]

The Biden administration is bad for Vlad.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
3.1.10  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JBB @3.1.9    last year

Yeah that's why he waited for Biden to get elected before he moved on Ukraine..........

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Senior Expert
3.1.11  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JBB @3.1.7    last year
How is that war in Ukraine going so far?

Do you want to take credit for Russian failures or Ukraine successes.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Masters Guide
3.1.12  Right Down the Center  replied to  JBB @3.1.9    last year
  you support Putin!

Prove it without just making stuff up because you are all butt hurt over a meme..

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
3.1.13  seeder  JBB  replied to  Right Down the Center @3.1.12    last year

Make an on topic series comments sans the denial of facts and lameass bullshit.

Our Inflation is a product of supply and demand and it is a worldwide problem currently due mainly to the supply chain disruptions caused by Covid and Putin's War in Ukraine. The textbook Keynesian action called for is to cut our deficit and raise rates. We have and it is WINNING!

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Masters Guide
3.1.14  Right Down the Center  replied to  JBB @3.1.13    last year

Don't try and deflect.  You stated I supported Putin.  Now prove it or retract the accusation  

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Expert
3.1.15  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.1.10    last year

Jim,

Russia made the error of thinking that Biden wouldn't back Ukraine and that is why they moved after the election. 

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
3.1.16  devangelical  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @3.1.15    last year

gee, I guess putin watches FOX news too...

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
3.1.17  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @3.1.15    last year

Point taken but what does that tell you about why he waited and who he knew would back up Ukraine? Yep, he knew the nasty tweeting orange man wouldn't put up with it.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
4  Sparty On    last year

Give us a kiss if and when Biden manages to get the Dow up where it was when he won the election.     Until then, try to temper your braggadocio.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
4.1  seeder  JBB  replied to  Sparty On @4    last year

On Election Day in 2020 the DOW rose about 500 points to about 27,500 on the prospect of a Biden victory. It was above 34,000 earlier today.

Who are you fooling? Huh? It is not working!

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
5  Ender    last year

When I was a kid we were taking a road trip. I am guessing the area had a lot of hills. My younger brother kept saying 'up a hill' every time we went up and 'down a hill' every time we went down.

Over and over again. Up a hill, down a hill. I wanted to punch him in the face.

Anyway it reminds me of the stock market. Up a hill, down a hill....

 
 

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