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Trump makes first public remarks since federal arraignment

  

Category:  News & Politics

Via:  tig  •  last year  •  21 comments

By:   CBS News

Trump makes first public remarks since federal arraignment
... THREATENING ME WITH 400 YEARS IN PRISON FOR POSSESSING MY OWN PRESIDENTIAL PAPERS, WHICH JUST ABOUT EVERY OTHER PRESIDENT HAS DONE ...

What is sad and damaging for the nation is that many people believe his lies.


S E E D E D   C O N T E N T





A portion of the transcript:

THE LATEST ABUSE OF POWER IN THE HISTORY OF OUR COUNTRY.  A VERY SAD THING TO WATCH.  A CORRUPT SITTING PRESIDENT HAD HIS TOP POLITICAL OPPONENT ARRESTED ON VACANT FABRICATED CHARGES OF WHICH HE AND WERE OTHER PRESIDENTS WOULD BE GUILTY . RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION IN WHICH HE IS LOSING VERY BADLY.  THIS IS CALLED ELECTION INTERFERENCE, AND YET ANOTHER ATTEMPT TO RIG AND STILL A PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION.  MORE IMPORTANTLY, IT'S A POLITICAL PERSECUTION LIKE SOMETHING STRAIGHT OUT OF A FASCIST OR COMMUNIST NATION.

THIS DAY WILL GO DOWN IN INFAMY, AND JOE BIDEN WILL FOREVER BE REMEMBERED AS NOT ONLY THE MOST CORRUPT PRESIDENT IN THE HISTORY OF OUR COUNTRY, BUT PERHAPS EVEN MORE IMPORTANTLY, THE PRESIDENT WHO TOGETHER WITH A BAND OF HIS CLOSEST THUGS, MYSTICS, AND MARXISTS, TRY TO DESTROY AMERICAN DEMOCRACY.

THEY WILL FAIL AND WE WILL WIN BIGGER AND BETTER.

CHARGING A FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES UNDER THE ESPIONAGE ACT OF 1917. WASN'T MEANT FOR THIS.   AN ACT FOR A CRIME SO HEINOUS THAT ONLY THE DEATH PENALTY WOULD DO, AND THREATENING ME WITH 400 YEARS IN PRISON FOR POSSESSING MY OWN PRESIDENTIAL PAPERS, WHICH JUST ABOUT EVERY OTHER PRESIDENT HAS DONE, IS ONE OF THE MOST OUTRAGEOUS AND VICIOUS LEGAL THEORIES EVER PUT FORWARD IN AN AMERICAN COURT OF LAW.

THE ESPIONAGE ACT HAS BEEN USED TO GO AFTER TRAITORS AND SPIES IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH A FORMER PRESIDENT LEGALLY KEEPING HIS OF DOCUMENTS.

AS LAW THAT APPLIES TO THIS CASE IS NOT THE ESPIONAGE ACT BUT VERY SIMPLY THE PRESIDENTIAL RECORDS ACT, WHICH IS NOT EVEN MENTIONED IN THIS PREDICTION -- RIDICULOUS 44- PAGE INDICTMENT. OF THE PRESIDENTIAL RECORDS ACT, WHICH IS CIVIL, NOT CRIMINAL, I HAD EVERY RIGHT TO HAVE THESE DOCUMENTS. THE LEGAL PRECEDENTS LAID OUT IN THE MOST IMPORTANT CASE EVER ON THE SUBJECT KNOWN AS THE CLINTON SOCKS CASE.


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TᵢG
Professor Principal
1  seeder  TᵢG    last year
A CORRUPT SITTING PRESIDENT HAD HIS TOP POLITICAL OPPONENT ARRESTED ON VACANT FABRICATED CHARGES OF WHICH HE AND WERE OTHER PRESIDENTS WOULD BE GUILTY.

Wrong.   The charges are anything but vacant and fabricated.   They are substantial and supported by evidence.

THIS IS CALLED ELECTION INTERFERENCE, AND YET ANOTHER ATTEMPT TO RIG AND STILL A PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION.  MORE IMPORTANTLY, IT'S A POLITICAL PERSECUTION LIKE SOMETHING STRAIGHT OUT OF A FASCIST OR COMMUNIST NATION.

Wrong.  This is jurisprudence working in a democratic Republic.

THIS DAY WILL GO DOWN IN INFAMY, AND JOE BIDEN WILL FOREVER BE REMEMBERED AS NOT ONLY THE MOST CORRUPT PRESIDENT IN THE HISTORY OF OUR COUNTRY, BUT PERHAPS EVEN MORE IMPORTANTLY, THE PRESIDENT WHO TOGETHER WITH A BAND OF HIS CLOSEST THUGS, MYSTICS, AND MARXISTS, TRY TO DESTROY AMERICAN DEMOCRACY.

The theatrics —and projection— here are embarrassingly stupid.

THEY WILL FAIL AND WE WILL WIN BIGGER AND BETTER.

Possibly.   Not likely though.

CHARGING A FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES UNDER THE ESPIONAGE ACT OF 1917. WASN'T MEANT FOR THIS. 

The Espionage act covers many conditions ... including 31 counts of your indictment.

 AN ACT FOR A CRIME SO HEINOUS THAT ONLY THE DEATH PENALTY WOULD DO, AND THREATENING ME WITH 400 YEARS IN PRISON FOR POSSESSING MY OWN PRESIDENTIAL PAPERS, WHICH JUST ABOUT EVERY OTHER PRESIDENT HAS DONE, IS ONE OF THE MOST OUTRAGEOUS AND VICIOUS LEGAL THEORIES EVER PUT FORWARD IN AN AMERICAN COURT OF LAW.

They are expressly NOT your own papers.   In fact, that is the core of the case against you.   And it is entirely false that other presidents have knowingly removed classified (including Top Secret) documents and willingly kept them at their residences and not cooperating in their return when asked by NARA to do so.

THE ESPIONAGE ACT HAS BEEN USED TO GO AFTER TRAITORS AND SPIES IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH A FORMER PRESIDENT LEGALLY KEEPING HIS OF DOCUMENTS.

Trouble is, you did not legally keep the documents ... and they are not yours.

AS LAW THAT APPLIES TO THIS CASE IS NOT THE ESPIONAGE ACT BUT VERY SIMPLY THE PRESIDENTIAL RECORDS ACT, WHICH IS NOT EVEN MENTIONED IN THIS PREDICTION -- RIDICULOUS 44- PAGE INDICTMENT. OF THE PRESIDENTIAL RECORDS ACT, WHICH IS CIVIL, NOT CRIMINAL, I HAD EVERY RIGHT TO HAVE THESE DOCUMENTS. THE LEGAL PRECEDENTS LAID OUT IN THE MOST IMPORTANT CASE EVER ON THE SUBJECT KNOWN AS THE CLINTON SOCKS CASE.

The Presidential Record Act states that you cannot take those documents.   It states the exact opposite of what you claim.

I HAD EVERY RIGHT TO HAVE THESE DOCUMENTS. THE LEGAL PRECEDENTS LAID OUT IN THE MOST IMPORTANT CASE EVER ON THE SUBJECT KNOWN AS THE CLINTON SOCKS CASE.

Bill Clinton kept audio of an interview by a historian in a sock drawer.   Not classified; in addition, the audio was adjudicated as personal.   But Trump equates audio of an interview with dozens of top secret classified documents wherein he refused to cooperate and return to NARA.   No, Trump, the Clinton Socks case set no legal precedent that would help you here.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Expert
1.1  sandy-2021492  replied to  TᵢG @1    last year
Bill Clinton kept audio of an interview by a historian in a sock drawer.   Not classified; in addition, the audio was adjudicated as personal.   But Trump equates audio of an interview with dozens of top secret classified documents wherein he refused to cooperate and return to NARA.   No, Trump, the Clinton Socks case set no legal precedent that would help you here.

A little comedy from the page "The Mean Progressive" on Facebook:

Clinton Socks case explainer:
Socks, the beloved Clinton White House cat, was a bit of a scamp. In one of his more mischievous escapades, he found his way into the Situation Room, curled up in Secretary Cohen’s lap, and when no one was looking snatched highly classified documents regarding a planned invasion of Greenland. Socks then ran out of the room, dropped the plans in his cat box and took a dump. Once found, the documents were deemed unusable and the plot was reconsidered (Socks’ wisdom was legendary and they understood that he was probably looking at the long game). This, until now unknown, national security secret was the actual impetus of trump’s plans to buy Greenland. Once he learned about the history, he thought (as Great men do) “Maybe we should just purchase the country, instead. Then No one will get hurt.”
 
 
 
bbl-1
Professor Quiet
2  bbl-1    last year

In other words Trump whined, complained, blamed others and lied again.  This is news?

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
2.1  seeder  TᵢG  replied to  bbl-1 @2    last year

I wonder if any of his supporters will attempt to defend these lies.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
3  CB    last year

Why didn't the judge issue a gag order? Why is this man (who puts his pants on the same as we do) allowed to flout truth and parade around like a present world leader? Now can we say we see it? Donald Trump is running for office again for the purposes of trying his case in the public sphere with "Joe Blow and Company" sitting in the bleachers!

Again, he is sucking all the oxygen out of the republican primary field of "candidates. . . they are like a bunch of paupers sidelined by the 'brilliance' of this media MAVEN (from Hell).

"They," the silent republican presidential candidates, have done nothing un-republican (as wrong as it is of itself), they have no court cases or indictments against them, and yet Donald Trump is the media 'darling.'

Now can we say we see who and what these people in the largest republican bloc are about?

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Expert
4  sandy-2021492    last year

I'm sure somebody believes him.  Which is pretty damn sad.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
5  JohnRussell    last year

crooksandliars.com   /2023/06/its-long-past-time-media-stops-being-trump

Media, Stop Being Trump Enablers! Our Future Depends On It

Steve M. 5-7 minutes   6/13/2023


Peter Baker of   The New York Times   believes   that the federal indictment of Donald Trump could lead to a national crisis in which believers in the rule of law could be helpless to defend themselves.

History’s   first federal indictment against a former president   poses one of the gravest challenges to democracy the country has ever faced. It represents either a validation of the rule-of-law principle that even the most powerful face accountability for their actions or the moment when a vast swath of the public becomes convinced that the system has been irredeemably corrupted by partisanship. Mr. Trump, his allies and even some of his Republican rivals have embarked on a strategy to encourage the latter view, arguing that law enforcement has been hijacked by President Biden and the Democrats to take out his strongest opponent for re-election next year.

Baker acknowledges that special counsel Jack Smith took a "by-the-book approach" and "laid out a damning series of facts" in the Trump indictment. He also acknowledges that "Few if any of" Trump's defenders "bothered to wait to read   the indictment   before backing Mr. Trump’s all-caps assertion that it was merely part of the 'GREATEST WITCH HUNT OF ALL TIME.'" But, he laments, the facts of the case might not matter:

In the public arena ... it may be a one-sided fight. Mr. Trump and his allies can scream as loudly as they can that the system is unfair, but prosecutors are bound by rules limiting how much they can say in response. To the extent that Democrats defend prosecutors, it may only buttress the point Mr. Trump is trying to make to the audience he is trying to reach.

But what about the media, Peter? Doesn't the media have a role to play in all of this?

During Trump's presidency, the media was chastised for an unwillingness to take the side of the truth when dealing with a president who was a habitual liar. Eventually, some parts of the media abandoned their reluctance to call a presidential lie a lie. But Trump had considerable success in selling his lies to the public because others in the media treated the lies with the respect they thought was due to uttterances of a president.

If the media won't debunk the arguments of ex-president Trump now, then the media is making this mistake again.

We all enjoy criticizing CNN, but give the recently deposed Chris Licht credit for this: he never fired fact-checker Daniel Dale. Yesterday morning, Dale debunked   "Seven of Trump’s False or Unsupported Claims on the Documents Investigation,"   among them:

Trump has   repeatedly   claimed   that the Presidential Records Act, a 1978 law, says he was supposed to hold negotiations with the National Archives and Records Administration about the return of official documents after his presidency.

... Trump’s claim is false. The Presidential Records Act   says   that, the moment a president leaves office, NARA gets custody and control of all presidential records from his administration. Nothing in the law says there should be a negotiation between a former president and NARA over a former president’s return of presidential documents – much less that there should have been a monthslong battle after NARA   first   contacted Trump’s team in 2021 to try to get some of the records that had not been handed over at the end of his presidency.

The   key sentence   from the Presidential Records Act is unequivocal: “Upon the conclusion of a President’s term of office, or if a President serves consecutive terms upon the conclusion of the last term, the Archivist of the United States shall assume responsibility for the custody, control, and preservation of, and access to, the Presidential records of that President.”

It's not just Trump. A   Wall Street Journal   editorial   lies about the Presidential Records Act:

... it’s striking, and legally notable, that the indictment never mentions the Presidential Records Act (PRA) that allows a President access to documents, both classified and unclassified, once he leaves office. It allows for good-faith negotiation with the National Archives. Yet the indictment assumes that Mr. Trump had no right to take any classified documents.

Every   honest news organization needs to rebut these lies and other dishonest statements by Trump and his enablers. These debunkings need to be given a place of prominence in the news organizations' coverage. Partisan Republican voters won't listen, but people in the middle might.

Dale also   debunks   claims that previous presidents retained millions of documents; that the federal government could have had Trump's documents back just for the asking; that Trump had already declassified the documents; and so on. In a   separate fact-check , Dale makes clear that Joe Biden didn't unlawfully move "1850 boxes" of documents to the University of Delaware, as Trump repeatedly insists. (The documents in question were   senatorial   papers, which aren't subject to the same restrictions as presidential and vice presidential papers, and are deemed by law to be the property of the former senators.)

In order to keep the base angry, Trump and his defenders will just keep lying. The media needs to debunk these lies vigorously and tirelessly, and make the rebuttals as visible as possible. Otherwise, the press is failing to do its job.

Posted with permission from   No More Mr. Nice Blog

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
5.1  CB  replied to  JohnRussell @5    last year

And yet, cable news networks (including News Nations) hangs around Donald Trump "stumping grounds" like panting dogs in heat for him to masochistically tell his versions to the "American" people as some form of sexual gratification.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
5.1.1  JohnRussell  replied to  CB @5.1    last year

I would like to see a mass nationwide street protest against Trump, similar to but larger than what took place the day after his inauguration in 2017. Only some sort of expression of mass action can end this madness. 

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
5.1.2  CB  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.1    last year

The 'gloryhound' that is Donald Trump and his spin doctors would lick it up and call it a win that liberals 'cared so much'!  Roy Cohn taught Donald (well) that bad news can be as useful as good news if you: 1. Show up to face it.  2. Spin it to your advantage.

For Cohn and Trump ("brothers emotionally") the worse thing was to be forgotten and out of the news. BTW, where is Hutchinson, Scott, DeSantis, and the others while this fiend is cashing in on FREE NETWORK NEWS RESOURCES? I'll tell you: FORGOTTEN AND OUT OF THE NEWS!

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
6  Ender    last year

Sad thing is, his people will eat it up.

Deranged....

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
7  JohnRussell    last year

Trump is becoming more psychotically unhinged by the hour. Does anyone seriously believe we are not headed for a national catastrophe of a yet unknown form and duration? 

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
7.1  CB  replied to  JohnRussell @7    last year

Donald Trump is a defeated and diminished figure. The 'glue' holding his version of reality together is these people who won't let his feet touch the ground! He lives off their WORSHIP. The republican party created this MONSTROSITY, and should be held accountable for letting him run amok everyday because of having done so! The media has exposed itself as just 'for hire.'

I will not see the media the same again.

Matt Taibbi may have it exactly right in his book: Hate Inc.: Why Today's Media Makes Us Despise One Another. Published by OR Books (October 8, 2019)

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
7.1.1  JohnRussell  replied to  CB @7.1    last year
Donald Trump is a defeated and diminished figure. The 'glue' holding his version of reality together is these people who won't let his feet touch the ground! He lives off their WORSHIP.

Your two sentences contradict each other. 

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
7.1.2  CB  replied to  JohnRussell @7.1.1    last year

Not really. MAGA republicans/conservatives have demonstrated they have no "True North" for going headlong after this small man, but still they do. They won't let him fall. They make him what he is-while he parades around town raggedy in mind, conscience, and essence!

Furthermore, along with the republican politicians, NBC Entertainment, the mass media continues doing its share to add powerful ingredients that let break loose on our society this King Kong (worshipped in his homeland) of a man and rampaging Godzilla (worshipped from afar) as some kind of adorable hero!

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
8  JBB    last year

original

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
9  seeder  TᵢG    last year

If Trump's comments are an indication of his defense strategy, he is going to lose big.

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
9.1  Ender  replied to  TᵢG @9    last year

I have been afraid to listen to any audio. I can't stand listening to his voice.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
9.1.1  seeder  TᵢG  replied to  Ender @9.1    last year

I have included an excerpt in transcript form.  jrSmiley_82_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
9.1.2  Ender  replied to  TᵢG @9.1.1    last year

And I thank you.  Haha

Seriously though, you ever have someone that just the sound of their voice really gets on your nerves? He is one of those people to me.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
9.1.3  seeder  TᵢG  replied to  Ender @9.1.2    last year

It is his forced calm that is probably getting on your nerves.

 
 

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