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In its war against Hamas, Israel faces a tragic choice between two different routes to disaster

  

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By:  kavika  •  10 months ago  •  36 comments

In its war against Hamas, Israel faces a tragic choice between two different routes to disaster

A nd on the eighth day, the   war began anew . After a week of joy and relief for those Israeli families reunited with loved ones held hostage by Hamas, and of respite from Israeli bombardment for the people of Gaza, seven days of rolling ceasefires came to an end this morning. No more hugs, no more quiet. Instead, the war between Israel and Hamas is back on, presenting once more what moral philosophers refer to as a “ tragic choice ” – a dilemma where there are no good options, only two different routes to disaster. In fighting Hamas, Israel faces just such a predicament – and yet there are too many, among both those who defend Israel and those who denounce it, who refuse to see that.


This view can bridle at any attempt at restraint. It resents US secretary of state Antony Blinken for insisting on Thursday that, before Israel takes the war to southern Gaza, it must have a “ clear plan in place   that puts a premium on protecting civilians”. It argues that responsibility for a death toll estimated to be   in excess of 15,000   – in less than two months – rests squarely with a Hamas enemy that deliberately embeds itself in population centres, including in schools and hospitals.

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Kavika
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1  author  Kavika     10 months ago

ALL OFF TOPIC COMMENTS WILL BE DELETED.

Israel is between a rock and a hard place.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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2  Greg Jones    10 months ago

Israel is doing its best to avoid civilian casualties, Hamas is doing its best to see that as many of them are killed as is possible. Israel will keep going until the terrorist threat is neutralized. That might take a while, as a war cannot be successfully planned...too many variables.  They really have no other option if they are to survive as a people and a democratic nation.

Hamas is trying to go gain the worldwide sympathy vote, but they have played the oppressed victim card too often and it is becoming less and less effective as long as they persist in holding hostages. 

 
 
 
Kavika
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2.1  author  Kavika   replied to  Greg Jones @2    10 months ago
Hamas is trying to go gain the worldwide sympathy vote, but they have played the oppressed victim card too often and it is becoming less and less effective as long as they persist in holding hostages. 

Worldwide support and demonstrations for Hamas (which I can't understand) tell a different story, Greg.

 
 
 
bugsy
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2.2  bugsy  replied to  Greg Jones @2    10 months ago
as long as they persist in holding hostages. 

Problem is many of those on the left look at the hostages as collateral damage and deserve what the got/will get.

 
 
 
Kavika
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2.2.1  author  Kavika   replied to  bugsy @2.2    10 months ago
Problem is many of those on the left look at the hostages as collateral damage and deserve what the got/will get.

Do you have names of those on the left? Could it be Netanyahu, Gantz, el al.

 
 
 
bugsy
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2.2.2  bugsy  replied to  Kavika @2.2.1    10 months ago

I don't have names of anonymous leftists from colleges and blue cities like Oakland that look at Israel as the aggressor of Oct 7. Tens of thousands of them are difficult to identify.

 
 
 
Kavika
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2.2.3  author  Kavika   replied to  bugsy @2.2.2    10 months ago

I thought according to to those on NT conversatives and the media it's the leftists that are calling for a cease fire which is saving hostages not pointing them out as collateral damage. 

 
 
 
bugsy
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2.2.4  bugsy  replied to  Kavika @2.2.3    10 months ago

The call for a cease fire is nothing more than a ruse to allow Hamas to rearm and reorganize so they can conduct another Oct 7.

Nothing more

Why were they calling for a cease fire DURING A CEASE FIRE for a week.

 
 
 
bugsy
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2.2.5  bugsy  replied to  Kavika @2.2.3    10 months ago

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JohnRussell
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2.2.6  JohnRussell  replied to  bugsy @2.2.5    10 months ago

I have not seen a single person on Newstalkers say they support Hamas. [Deleted. You have a flag for a reason.]

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.2.7  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @2.2.6    10 months ago

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Texan1211
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2.2.8  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @2.2.6    10 months ago

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Kavika
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2.2.9  author  Kavika   replied to  bugsy @2.2.5    10 months ago
If you Hamas supporters truly believed what you believe, why are you not asking yourselves these questions.

I saw photos and statements and interviews with Médecins Sans Frontières I also saw photos of Hamas decapitating people. Too bad you didn't see that it would certainly have improved your knowledge of the carnage.

If you Hamas supporters truly believed what you believe, why are you not asking yourselves these questions.

So now I'm a Hamas supporter, what proof do you have of that lie? It's sad when you have to make radical statements about someone you know nothing about, but it seems that all the right has. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.2.10  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @2.2.6    10 months ago

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TᵢG
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2.2.11  TᵢG  replied to  bugsy @2.2.5    10 months ago
If you Hamas supporters ...

Who on this site is a Hamas supporter?   I know of none.   So WTF are you talking about?

Why would you expect your questions to be answered when you are implying those who would answer would be Hamas supporters?

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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2.2.12  Trout Giggles  replied to  Kavika @2.2.9    10 months ago

I guess if one does not have a sound argument one must make shit up

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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2.2.13  Trout Giggles  replied to  TᵢG @2.2.11    10 months ago
Who on this site is a Hamas supporter?

I know I haven't seen any

 
 
 
JBB
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3  JBB    10 months ago

Letting it fester another hundred years is not an answer. Hammering out a just and lasting peace will not be easy. Butz what are the alternatives?

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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3.1  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JBB @3    10 months ago
Hammering out a just and lasting peace will not be easy. 


Who is going to do that, Hamas, the PA with Israel?

 
 
 
Kavika
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3.1.1  author  Kavika   replied to  Drinker of the Wry @3.1    10 months ago

Neither Hamas nor the PA. This has pretty much been established.

 
 
 
JBB
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3.1.2  JBB  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @3.1    10 months ago

That isn't for me to decide. I imagine it would take teams to negotiate a peace accord. Maybe an Arab leader, like Anwar Sadat, will come forward to represent the Palestinians. Peace is possible and in everyone's best interests, except the terrorist's...

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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3.1.3  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JBB @3.1.2    10 months ago

The neighboring Arab countries have given up on the Palestinians.

 
 
 
bugsy
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3.1.4  bugsy  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @3.1.3    10 months ago

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Texan1211
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3.1.5  Texan1211  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @3.1    10 months ago

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Texan1211
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3.1.6  Texan1211  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @3.1.3    10 months ago

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Sean Treacy
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3.1.7  Sean Treacy  replied to  JBB @3.1.2    10 months ago
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4  Sean Treacy    10 months ago

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Sean Treacy
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4.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  Sean Treacy @4    10 months ago

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Kavika
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4.1.1  author  Kavika   replied to  Sean Treacy @4.1    10 months ago

It was you who reached a new low, Sean. Voting up a comment that called me a Hamas supporter as did two more of your fellow travelers.

 
 
 
Kavika
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5  author  Kavika     10 months ago

IT SEEMS THAT MANY OF THE POSTERS ON THIS ARTICLE CANNOT READ THE RULES. NO OFF TOPIC IS THE RULE. EITHER GET ON TOPIC OR FIND ANOTHER PLACE TO BABBLE OR BETTER YET POST YOUR OWN ARTICLE/SEED.

 
 
 
CB
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6  CB    10 months ago

Kavika (someone) what are the different routes to disaster that are being faced?

 
 
 
Kavika
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6.1  author  Kavika   replied to  CB @6    10 months ago

It means that whatever choice Israel makes, continue the war or a truce neither is a good choice.

 
 
 
CB
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6.1.1  CB  replied to  Kavika @6.1    10 months ago

It can't be easy (by any definition of the word) for Israel to sat in the middle of a community of Islamic states-no matter how nice they 'become' to Israel.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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7  Nerm_L    10 months ago

Hasn't Israel been forced to make these choices before?  In the past Israel has tried diplomacy, tried compromise, tried stepping back.  What has worked in the past?  Simply repeating what has failed before doesn't seem to be a viable path forward.

This time Israel has chosen to pursue a very aggressive, hard line approach to a continuing security threat that past attempts failed to diminish.  Israel's current approach has shown that the rest of the world has ignored the festering problem of Gaza.  The Oct. 7th Hamas attack on Israel highlights the failings of the rest of the world to address the situation.  The Middle East has mouthed a lot of sentimental crap but has done absolutely nothing to alleviate the problem.

The world has thrown the problem of Gaza onto Israel's shoulders.  Now the world wants to dictate how Israel addresses that problem.  The whole situation would be improved by the world getting its hands dirty for a change instead of just sweeping the problem under Israel's carpet,

 
 
 
Texan1211
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7.1  Texan1211  replied to  Nerm_L @7    10 months ago
Hasn't Israel been forced to make these choices before?  In the past Israel has tried diplomacy, tried compromise, tried stepping back.  What has worked in the past?  Simply repeating what has failed before doesn't seem to be a viable path forward.

Israel has done all of those things.

But yet here we are again despite Israel's best efforts to live in peace.

Maybe instead of griping about Israel, those folks should look at the terrorists to do something different besides killing every Jew they can.

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Nerm_L
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7.1.1  Nerm_L  replied to  Texan1211 @7.1    10 months ago
Israel has done all of those things.

But yet here we are again despite Israel's best efforts to live in peace.

Maybe instead of griping about Israel, those folks should look at the terrorists to do something different besides killing every Jew they can.

of course, that seems impossible for some of the more liberal folks in this country--as clearly seen on these pages.

2 million people in Gaza have been holding the world hostage.  You know, Gaza is about the size of Kyiv.

 
 

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