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Penn president resigns; Stefanik vows Harvard and MIT next - POLITICO

  

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Penn president resigns; Stefanik vows Harvard and MIT next  - POLITICO
Rep. Elise Stefanik grilled Penn President Liz Magill, along with the presidents of Harvard and MIT, during a hearing Tuesday over their response to antisemitism on their campuses.

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Penn president resigns; Stefanik vows Harvard and MIT next


Rep. Elise Stefanik grilled Penn President Liz Magill, along with the presidents of Harvard and MIT, during a hearing Tuesday over their response to antisemitism on their campuses.

University of Pennsylvania President Liz Magill listens during a hearing of the House Committee on Education on Capitol Hill on Dec. 5, 2023 in Washington. | Mark Schiefelbein/AP

University of Pennsylvania President Liz Magill on Saturday voluntarily stepped down from her role after facing intense blowback following a House Education committee hearing this week.

Magill has agreed to stay in her role until an interim president is selected, according to a statement from Penn Trustee Board Chair Scott Bok. He also resigned Saturday.

"It has been my privilege to serve as President of this remarkable institution," Magill said in the statement. "It has been an honor to work with our faculty, students, staff, alumni and community members to advance Penn's vital mission."

Magill, along with Harvard President Claudine Gay and Massachusetts Institute of Technology President Sally Kornbluth, participated in a contentious, more than five-hour grilling from lawmakers Tuesday over their response to antisemitism on their campuses.

They faced backlash for evading a question from Rep. Elise Stefanik (R-N.Y.) who asked about pro-Palestinian student protestors' calls for "intifada" or "the genocide of Jews."

"Does calling for the genocide of Jews violate Penn's rules or code of conduct, yes or no?" Stefanik asked Magill on Tuesday, to which Magill responded: "If the speech turns into conduct, it can be harassment."

Stefanik slammed the response, saying: "Conduct meaning committing the act of genocide? The speech is not harassment? This is unacceptable."

The other presidents responded similarly to the question. They said they personally did not agree with the rhetoric used by those students and were committed to preserving free speech on campus.

Stefanik, who led the toughest questioning Tuesday and has called for all of the presidents to be fired, wrote on X that Magill's "forced resignation" is only the beginning for addressing antisemitism on college campuses.

"One down," Stefanik said. "Two to go."

Magill is the first president to step down over a response to campus antisemitism. Several lawmakers and top officials across the aisle have slammed the leaders for refusing to say calls for "Jewish genocide" violate their codes of conduct around bullying or harassment Tuesday.

Magill has faced scorching criticism from top Democrats in her state and other lawmakers. Sen. Bob Casey (D-Pa.) called Magill's comments "offensive," and said "calling for the genocide of Jews is antisemitic and harassment, full stop." Sen. John Fetterman (D-Pa.) said Magill's testimony was "embarrassing for a venerable Pennsylvania university." And Pennsylvania Gov. Josh Shapiro, a first-term Democrat, also slammed Magill's testimony as a "failure of leadership." Hundreds of Penn alumni, donors and students have also called on Magill to resign.

Shapiro, who is a nonvoting member on Penn's board, had called on the university's board of directors to meet to determine whether Magill should be asked to resign.

Magill on Wednesday released a video statement apologizing for her testimony amid intense backlash. The video, published on X, has been viewed more than 37 million times.

In the video, she said that during her testimony she was "focused on our university's longstanding policies aligned with the U.S. Constitution, which say that speech alone is not punishable." Magill also said her school would "initiate a serious and careful look at our policies."

"I was not focused on, but I should have been, the irrefutable fact that a call for genocide of Jewish people is a call for some of the most terrible violence human beings can perpetrate," she said.

The Wharton Board of Advisors on Thursday called for new university leadership, according to a letter obtained by The Daily Pennsylvanian. The Board of Trustees also held an emergency gathering that morning, according to the student newspaper, and had an executive committee luncheon.

More than 70 lawmakers on Friday urged the boards of Harvard, MIT and Penn to remove their presidents. About a dozen Democrats, however, urged the boards to fix their campus policies on bullying and harassment to ensure antisemitism is included.

House Education and the Workforce Chair Virginia Foxx (R-N.C), who held the hearing, said she "welcomed" Magill's resignation.

"President Magill had three chances to set the record straight when asked if calling for the genocide of Jews violated UPenn's code of conduct during our hearing on antisemitism," Foxx said in a statement. "Instead of giving a resounding yes to the question, she chose to equivocate."

Magill had been in the role for about a year and a half. She previously held positions at University of Virginia and Stanford University.

She will remain a tenured faculty member at Penn Carey Law.

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Vic Eldred
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1  seeder  Vic Eldred    10 months ago

When something becomes so outrageous, the American people have to notice. It took the anti-Semitism at the university to finally put American higher education, which is challenging the values of Western Civilization, up for public examination.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
1.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    10 months ago

Commie commie commie !

You do understand that Karl Marx was the product of "western civilization" dont you? 

 
 
 
bugsy
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1.1.1  bugsy  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1    10 months ago

What the hell??????

Where did he say any of that??????

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
1.1.2  JohnRussell  replied to  bugsy @1.1.1    10 months ago

Buy a clue. 

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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1.1.3  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1    10 months ago
You do understand that Karl Marx was the product of "western civilization" dont you?

So was another German named Hitler, what’s your point?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
1.1.4  JohnRussell  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @1.1.3    10 months ago
So was another German named Hitler, what’s your point?

What is your point?

Marxism came from western civilization. 

We all know what some people mean by "western civilization", and it has more to do with demographics. 

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Masters Guide
1.1.5  Right Down the Center  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.4    10 months ago
We all know what some people mean by "western civilization", and it has more to do with demographics. 

Did Vic or the author mean more than demographics?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1.1.6  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1    10 months ago

We got a university president to be somewhat held accountable. As soon as Israel eliminates Hamas, our university administrators expect to go right back to their progressive program of speech is violence.

We can't let them.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1.1.7  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  bugsy @1.1.1    10 months ago

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[JR is not the topic]

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.8  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.4    10 months ago
it has more to do with demographics. 

Says the guy who claimed that a Native American boy was in "blackface."

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Senior Expert
1.1.9  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.4    10 months ago
Marxism came from western civilization

Yes, so what?

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Masters Guide
1.1.10  Right Down the Center  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.7    10 months ago
certain groups are protected.

Makes one wonder what the reaction would be if a group on campus protested and said all Muslims are terrorists or all blacks should go back to where their people originally came from.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1.1.11  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Right Down the Center @1.1.10    10 months ago

There would have been an immediate response from the administration. They have even suspended students for using the wrong pronouns.

 
 
 
Gazoo
Junior Silent
1.1.12  Gazoo  replied to  Right Down the Center @1.1.5    10 months ago

Did Vic or the author mean more than demographics?”

Neither did, but hey, we can’t have an article without half-witted accusations of racism.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.2  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    10 months ago
A former, now less-acceptable synonym for "Western civilization" was " the white race  ".

Western   culture -   Wikipedia

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Nov 6, 2019  · “ Western civilization ” has, for the   alt-right,   become culturally acceptable code for “ white   culture.” So celebration of   Western civilization  

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Are only White people 'civilized'? - The Washington Post

Web Apr 12, 2022  · Because “ Western Civilization ” was (or is) understood to be exclusively made up   White   “races,” the term could function as a surrogate term for “Whiteness,” including in the preamble of ...

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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1.2.1  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @1.2    10 months ago
Western civilization" was " the white race  

Perhaps in your seemingly race obsessed mind.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.2.2  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @1.2    10 months ago



Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness: this triptych succinctly defines the attractiveness and superiority of Western civilization. In the West we are free to think what we want, to read what we want, to practice our religion, to live as we choose.  Liberty is codified in human rights, a magnificent Western creation but also, I believe, a universal good.  Human Rights transcend local or ethnocentric values, conferring equal dignity and value on all humanity, regardless of sex, ethnicity, sexual preference, or religion. At the same time, it is in the West that human rights are most respected.







The Superiority of Western Values in Eight Minutes – Westminster Institute (westminster-institute.org)

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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1.2.3  Right Down the Center  replied to  JohnRussell @1.2    10 months ago

Again, is that what Vic or the author meant or is this just another attempt to inject race into a conversation?

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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1.2.4  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Right Down the Center @1.2.3    10 months ago

The later as Western Civilization has been studied and taught for centuries long before the alt-right.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
1.2.5  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.2    10 months ago
Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness: this triptych succinctly defines the attractiveness and superiority of Western civilization.

Life liberty and the pursuit of happiness are in the American founding documents, why bring "western civilization" into it instead of just saying the university presidents are "un American" in your opinion?

The "intellectual" right thinks people are stupid. 

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Masters Guide
1.2.6  Right Down the Center  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @1.2.4    10 months ago

Seems that the same people that are constantly hijacking or changing meanings of words and phrases are accusing others of changing the meaning of "Western Civilization".

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Masters Guide
1.2.7  Right Down the Center  replied to  JohnRussell @1.2.5    10 months ago

Seems like you are trying to tell someone what they really meant even after they clarified.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Masters Guide
1.2.8  Right Down the Center  replied to  JohnRussell @1.2.5    10 months ago
The "intellectual" right thinks people are stupid. 

Nowhere near as stupid as Biden thinks Americans are when he tells them how great things are and to ignore what they see and feel.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1.2.9  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @1.2.5    10 months ago

Western values extend far beyond those expressed in America's founding. That's why I linked the article.

I don't think you are denying that American universities are challenging those values. You seem to be defending that challenge.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
1.2.10  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.9    10 months ago
Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness: this triptych succinctly defines the attractiveness and superiority of Western civilization.

YOU posted that. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1.2.11  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @1.2.10    10 months ago

That is but one paragraph from the article. Do you think those values should be challenged?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
1.2.12  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.11    10 months ago

You have yet to prove that these universities dont represent western civilization. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1.2.13  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @1.2.12    10 months ago

Exhibit A: The right to practice religion.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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1.2.14  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @1.2.12    10 months ago

As of twenty years ago, the top fifty univer mo longer req a Western Civ class.  Thirty four of them no longer even offered a course.  Seventeen percent, the nation still required it.  Yale dropped its famous intro to Art History: Renaissance to the Present, due to “student uneasiness over an idealized Western ‘canon’.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
1.2.15  JohnRussell  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @1.2.14    10 months ago

What does that have to do with them representing western civilization?

I think graduates of the "top 50" universities in America would be surprised to learn they are not associated with "western civilization". 

When you think about it, it is ludicrous. 

What are the Best Majors at Harvard?

What are the best majors at Harvard? Harvard University offers students learning opportunities across a comprehensive curriculum.

The Business School, the Graduate Education School, the School of Engineering and Applied Sciences, the John F. Kennedy School of Government, and the Medical School are all considered among the best in the world.

Business, Education, Engineering, Science, Government, and Medicine.  All related, in specifics, to "western civilization". 

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Senior Expert
1.2.16  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @1.2.15    10 months ago

I’ve not used the term “representing”.  What’s ludicrous is the notion that studying the history that shaped modern theories of government, science, and aesthetics might get you labeled as a racist, sexist or white nationalist on Americas best campuses.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
1.2.17  JohnRussell  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @1.2.16    10 months ago

You guys vastly exaggerate . 

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Senior Expert
1.2.18  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @1.2.17    10 months ago

You guys?  Vastly exaggerate, example?

In The Souls of Black Folk, Du Bois wrote:

I sit with Shakespeare, and he winces not. Across the color line I move arm and arm with Balzac and Dumas, where smiling men and welcoming women glide in gilded halls. From out of the caves of evening that swing between the strong-limbed Earth and the tracery of stars, I summon Aristotle and Aurelius and what soul I will, and they come all graciously with no scorn nor condescension. So, wed with Truth, I dwell above the veil.

 Du Bois lived and wrote post slavery but in very ugly racist time, yet he viewed the legacy of Western Civilization as a heritage common to all, and not a barrier to the progress of people of color.  Apparently white privileged kids today have a different view.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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2  Sean Treacy    10 months ago

Hire people because of the boxes they check and you end up with chaos. 

DEI is poison for this country.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sean Treacy @2    10 months ago

We finally got Americans to get a look at what is being taught at the university. Hopefully we will keep people's attention fixed on it.

 
 
 
charger 383
Professor Silent
3  charger 383    10 months ago

The letters in DEI need to be rearranged, I before E except after C.  In that order it shows what this misguided silliness needs to do.

 
 
 
Hallux
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4  Hallux    10 months ago

The 3 university heads were wrong ... dead wrong, however, that will never excuse Stefanik's hypocrisy. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Hallux @4    10 months ago
The 3 university heads were wrong ... dead wrong

It is very serious situation for Jewish students going to those schools.

How do you explain antisemitism via Harvard, MIT and (dare I call it) PU?

 
 
 
Hallux
Professor Principal
4.1.1  Hallux  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1    10 months ago

As I wrote, "The 3 university heads were wrong ... dead wrong ...". As to how I might or might not explain it, 3,000 years of history does not fit in this wee box. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.1.2  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Hallux @4.1.1    10 months ago
As to how I might or might not explain it, 3,000 years of history does not fit in this wee box. 

Good answer.

In case anyone missed it: Antisemitism is wrong even when the left engages in it.

 
 
 
bugsy
Professor Participates
4.1.3  bugsy  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.2    10 months ago
Antisemitism is wrong even when the left engages in it.

As the events of the last couple of months have played out, I don't think many of them have figured that out.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.1.4  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  bugsy @4.1.3    10 months ago

Many prefer the comfort of safe spaces.

 
 
 
Hallux
Professor Principal
4.1.5  Hallux  replied to  bugsy @4.1.3    10 months ago

Hey, "there were good people on both sides". No side gets a freebie write-off because of the latest squirrel-du-jour.

 
 
 
Hallux
Professor Principal
4.1.6  Hallux  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.4    10 months ago
Many prefer the comfort of safe spaces.

Indeed, I understand Donald has rented Joe's basement.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.1.7  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Hallux @4.1.6    10 months ago

Joe set the standard. Why not?

 
 
 
bugsy
Professor Participates
4.1.8  bugsy  replied to  Hallux @4.1.5    10 months ago

True but the difference lies in the extend of each of the events.

Charlottesville, a far right event, lasted one day.

Left wing antisemitism "protests" have been going for 2 months now.

There is no comparison in the extent of antisemitism of the left.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.1.9  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Hallux @4.1.5    10 months ago
"there were good people on both sides".

Those who wanted to remove statues and those who didn't?

Don't look now, but you got caught.

 
 
 
Hallux
Professor Principal
4.1.10  Hallux  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.9    10 months ago

I could be fully clothed and you would claim you caught me naked. Your self-defensive gear is always in partisan overdrive.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Senior Expert
4.2  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Hallux @4    10 months ago

What was her hypocrisy?

 
 
 
Hallux
Professor Principal
4.2.1  Hallux  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @4.2    10 months ago

Carl Paladino comes to mind.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Senior Expert
4.2.2  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Hallux @4.2.1    10 months ago

Is she a fan?

 
 
 
Hallux
Professor Principal
4.2.3  Hallux  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @4.2.2    10 months ago

An electric one.

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
5  Tacos!    10 months ago
Stefanik slammed the response, saying: "Conduct meaning committing the act of genocide? The speech is not harassment? This is unacceptable."

No. Not meaning committing the act of genocide. How about getting in someone’s face about it? How about following them around and saying it? Maybe putting up signs outside their dorm? As is so typical of politicians, she creates a false, limited choice. It’s either A or B. No in-between. But that’s not reality.

This seems wildly unfair to me. At no point did any of these people say they personally were ok with genocide - or calls for genocide. They were asked a legal question and gave legal answers. 

Whether we are talking about statute law or university regulations, terms have definitions. Harassment is a legal term with a specific definition. Not every example of offensive speech will legally constitute harassment. Acting like these people are ok with genocide is egregiously dishonest and unfair.

We complain all the time that free speech is under assault on our campuses. So three university presidents indicate that offensive speech might be allowed on campus and people are outraged? You have to pick. Do you want free speech or not?

 
 

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