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Florida County Bans 673 Books, Including ‘Paradise Lost,’ ‘The Color Purple’ to Comply With State Law

  

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Via:  kavika  •  10 months ago  •  76 comments

By:   Alec Dent

Florida County Bans 673 Books, Including ‘Paradise Lost,’ ‘The Color Purple’ to Comply With State Law

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Florida County Bans 673 Books, Including ‘Paradise Lost,’ ‘The Color Purple’ to Comply With State Law


Orange County School Board member said the county engaged in 'over censorship' to avoid running afoul of broad ban on any sexual content


Published | Updated Alec Dent

Orange County, Florida removed 673 books from schools in 2023 to comply with new state rules banning sexual content in books in schools, including famous works like John Milton's "Paradise Lost" and John Steinbeck's "East of Eden," and Alice Walker's Pulitzer Prize-winning novel "The Color Purple," according to a new report.

The Orlando Sentinel   reported   details of the book bans, and spoke to Karen Castor Dentel, an Orange County School Board member, who said the county engaged in "over censorship" because officials are afraid of running counter to the state's rigorous ban on any sexual content.

"It’s creating this culture of fear within our media specialists and even teachers who just want to have a library in their classrooms, so kids have access," said Castor Dental.

Laws passed by the Republican-controlled legislature and Gov. Ron DeSantis in 2022 and 2023 aimed to curtail sexual content in schools, and have led to Florida leading the nation in banning books from schools,   according   to PEN America.


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Kavika
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1  seeder  Kavika     10 months ago

Florida is number one again leading the nation with our moral politicians that were behind this ban engaging in threesomes.  

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.1  devangelical  replied to  Kavika @1    10 months ago

instead of burning books, like in the last century, fascists today depend upon grassroots organizations of thumper sex perverts, rapists, and child molesters to apply their warped version of the 1st amendment upon public schools and libraries.

 
 
 
SteevieGee
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1.2  SteevieGee  replied to  Kavika @1    10 months ago

At a bookstore recently I looked at a copy of Gender Queer.  It shouldn't be in elementary school libraries (although I doubt it ever was).  Maybe middle school but, if your children are in high school and you haven't taught them about sex they've already learned it elsewhere.

 
 
 
bugsy
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1.3  bugsy  replied to  Kavika @1    10 months ago

How are these books "banned"? Can you not get them in a public library? Are they not allowed to be sold in stores?

If it is only schools where they are inappropriate where they are not allowed, then parents are certainly welcome to go to a library or book store to get these books if they really want to abuse...er...let their children read some of them.

 
 
 
Kavika
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1.3.1  seeder  Kavika   replied to  bugsy @1.3    10 months ago
How are these books "banned"? Can you not get them in a public library? Are they not allowed to be sold in stores?

They are banned in the schools, simple enough. What makes this more than funny is that two of the people that were responsible for the books banns are accused of rape and having sex threesomes, the hypocritical Christians that want to tell the rest of us what our morals should be...

Moms for Liberty, nothing but another group of hypocrites that need to be dissolved. Oh, they are on their way to that end.

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.3.2  devangelical  replied to  bugsy @1.3    10 months ago

I trust professional librarians to determine which books are appropriate for libraries, not a shrinking minority of unamerican theocratic scum that can count the number of times they've ever been in a library on one hand.

 
 
 
bugsy
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1.3.3  bugsy  replied to  devangelical @1.3.2    10 months ago

So these books can still be found in libraries...

Good to know you know this.

 
 
 
bugsy
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1.3.4  bugsy  replied to  Kavika @1.3.1    10 months ago
They are banned in the schools, simply enough

Why?

 
 
 
Kavika
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1.3.5  seeder  Kavika   replied to  bugsy @1.3.4    10 months ago

Why what?

 
 
 
bugsy
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1.3.6  bugsy  replied to  Kavika @1.3.5    10 months ago

Why is being banned in schools simple enough when you can get them essentially everywhere else?

 
 
 
bugsy
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1.3.7  bugsy  replied to  devangelical @1.3.2    10 months ago
I trust professional librarians to determine which books are appropriate for libraries

What if those professional librarians are   gasp...."xtian thumpers" and decide they are not appropriate for those libraries?

 
 
 
Kavika
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1.3.8  seeder  Kavika   replied to  bugsy @1.3.6    10 months ago

Do you believe that DeSantis and his minions could ban books in private book stores or in public libraries? 

The law, as it reads does not attempt doing that because there is no way it would pass.

It's like DeSantis trying to ban ''Drag Queen'' shows the courts overturned that as well and currently his trans student medical ban was ripped by a judge.

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.3.9  devangelical  replied to  Kavika @1.3.1    10 months ago

funny how the maga book banners seem to be blissfully ignorant about their own attempts to ban books from public libraries, and then when they fail they attempt to close those same libraries.

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.3.10  devangelical  replied to  bugsy @1.3.7    10 months ago

they need to be fired for attempting to place their religious beliefs before the constitution in a job funded by american taxpayers.

 
 
 
Ronin2
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1.3.11  Ronin2  replied to  Kavika @1.3.8    10 months ago
Do you believe that DeSantis and his minions could ban books in private book stores or in public libraries? 

So they are not banned by any sense of the word.

The law, as it reads does not attempt doing that because there is no way it would pass.

So you mean DeSantis, a Republican, is pro business? Gasp how can that be? Disney would never believe it. Of course Disney isn't worth a shit anymore either.

It's like DeSantis trying to ban ''Drag Queen'' shows the courts overturned that as well and currently his trans student medical ban was ripped by a judge.

Was it all Drag Queen shows; or just Drag Queen shows to kids? 

The U.S. Supreme Court refused Thursday to reinstate a Florida law that punishes businesses for allowing children into drag shows. Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis signed into law the "Protection of Children Act" in May to ban "children" from any "adult live performances" that feature sexual or lewd conduct. The penalty for restaurants or other venues that violate the statute is potential license revocation or even criminal charges. While the law does not explicitly refer to drag shows, it is widely seen as aimed at them.

So it was to ban kids from adult themed Drag Queen shows; or adult performances of any gender period. Only Democrats and leftists would have a problem with that. Unfortunately the US Supreme Court doesn't seem to know the difference between a child and adult any more either.

Was it DeSantis was trying to ban gender affirming care for everyone; or just underage children?

"This will permanently outlaw the mutilation of minors," DeSantis said at a bill-signing ceremony in Tampa. "I mean they're trying to do sex change operations on minors, giving them puberty blockers and doing things that are irreversible to them," the Republican governor said.

Only Democrats and leftists seem to feel that it is OK to try and alter children who are not old enough to ever make mistakes or change their minds. The medical community never gets anything wrong ever either. Oh wait.

What is the problem with waiting until they are 18 and have lived a little and can make a more informed decision? Why the big rush to get them while they are too young and more easily influenced?

 
 
 
Kavika
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1.3.12  seeder  Kavika   replied to  Ronin2 @1.3.11    10 months ago

Thank you for posting the ''before'' the courts started looking at his BS laws using his ''moral'' leadership and those of the ''Moms for Liberty''. 

As usual the Right wing moral leadership is nothing more than a bunch of hypocrites trying to pass laws that show they and only them can lead using their version of morals, which as we see again in Florida they can't even spell moral let alone have it be part of their lives.

Was it DeSantis was trying to ban gender affirming care for everyone; or just underage children?

If you read the law or knew anything about it you could answer that question yourself...YES, it put restrictions on adult trans care.

 
 
 
bugsy
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1.3.13  bugsy  replied to  devangelical @1.3.10    10 months ago
they need to be fired for attempting to place their religious beliefs before the constitution in a job funded by american taxpayers

So then your 1.3.2 is nothing but blowhard nonsense.

In one sentence you say you trust professional librarians but the next post you get triggered and cry that those that do not have the same beliefs as you get fired for their beliefs.

Purely Marxist tactic.

BTW....American is spelled with a capital "A"......

I guess unless those that post with a small "a" hate this country.

 
 
 
cjcold
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1.3.14  cjcold  replied to  bugsy @1.3.6    10 months ago
everywhere else

Plenty of small towns across the country without libraries or book stores.

 
 
 
bugsy
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1.3.15  bugsy  replied to  cjcold @1.3.14    10 months ago
Plenty of small towns across the country without libraries or book stores.

Let me guess...these same towns don't have internet to order books from said bookstores or Amazon, huh?

 
 
 
cjcold
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1.3.16  cjcold  replied to  bugsy @1.3.15    10 months ago

Without a satellite dish I wouldn't have internet.

Buying every book you want to read can get expensive.

Reading online gets expensive as well.

Believe it or not there are actually poor, isolated folk in America.

Luckily, I have access to a public library but it's a 25 mile trip.

 
 
 
bugsy
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1.3.17  bugsy  replied to  cjcold @1.3.16    10 months ago
Without a satellite dish I wouldn't have internet.

Many millions more do too, so it seems buying books online are not a problem.

"I have access to a public library but it's a 25 mile trip"

If someone really wants to get a book THAT bad, they will drive that plus some to get it. .

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.3.18  devangelical  replied to  bugsy @1.3.13    10 months ago

public employees that attempt to impose their religious beliefs on others in a secular america aren't professionals, nor are those that willfully submit to the unamerican activism of xtian radicals and hypocrites.

 
 
 
cjcold
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1.3.19  cjcold  replied to  bugsy @1.3.17    10 months ago

I combine trips to the library with grocery runs. 

Have you read Mein Kampf? Do you read?

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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1.3.20  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  cjcold @1.3.19    10 months ago

Best to do the library first and then the groceries so they don’t get warm.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.3.21  Texan1211  replied to  bugsy @1.3    10 months ago

For a book to be banned, apparently all it takes is to make it unavailable for ant age group no matter how young.

Some people seem to think kids still reading "Dick and Jane" levels can fathom more mature subjects.

 
 
 
bugsy
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1.3.22  bugsy  replied to  devangelical @1.3.18    10 months ago
public employees that attempt to impose their religious beliefs on others in a secular america aren't professionals

So now you are changing your tune because you got called out.

What you are saying is you believe professional librarians...UNLESS they have different beliefs...then they need to be fired because of their beliefs.

 
 
 
bugsy
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1.3.23  bugsy  replied to  cjcold @1.3.19    10 months ago
I combine trips to the library with grocery runs. 

OK....and?

"Have you read Mein Kampf? Do you read?

No I haven't and I hope for your liberal sake, you haven't either otherwise you will be put in the same group as Donald Trump by your liberal friends.

You may even be called a fascist.

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.3.24  devangelical  replied to  bugsy @1.3.22    10 months ago

no, I'm saying that thumpers that call themselves librarians while proselytizing on the taxpayers dime should probably be fired and then get a job at their church's 1 book library or a xtian bookstore, where their ignorant and hypocritical geezus jabber is accepted and expected. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
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1.3.25  MrFrost  replied to  bugsy @1.3.6    10 months ago
Why is being banned in schools simple enough when you can get them essentially everywhere else?

Just like religion, right? Can find it anywhere, don't need it in the schools. 

 
 
 
bugsy
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1.3.26  bugsy  replied to  MrFrost @1.3.25    10 months ago
don't need it in the schools. 

Where is it in public schools?

Be specific with your locations

 
 
 
bugsy
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1.3.27  bugsy  replied to  devangelical @1.3.24    10 months ago
I'm saying that thumpers that call themselves librarians while proselytizing on the taxpayers dime should probably be fired and then get a job at their church's 1 book library or a xtian bookstore, where their ignorant and hypocritical geezus jabber is accepted and expected. 

You specifically said you trust professional librarians before you believe "theocratic scum" . You didn't gave an "except for"

Then when called out that there are "xtian thumpers" who are librarians, you flip the script and say now you want "xtian thumper" librarians terminated from their jobs because they have different ideals than you if they voice those ideals

Do you support the atheist librarians being fired if they ban anything they deem religious from a library they work at and are supported by taxpayer dollars? .

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.3.28  devangelical  replied to  bugsy @1.3.26    10 months ago

dennis prager university, used to teach in some public elementary schools within goober shithole states...

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.3.29  Texan1211  replied to  devangelical @1.3.28    10 months ago

Nonsense.

 
 
 
bugsy
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1.3.30  bugsy  replied to  devangelical @1.3.28    10 months ago

You got proof of that?

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.3.31  Texan1211  replied to  devangelical @1.3.28    10 months ago

Gee, are those the very same goober shitholes Democrats are trying so desperately to turn blue--or at least purple?

 
 
 
Kavika
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1.3.32  seeder  Kavika   replied to  bugsy @1.3.30    10 months ago

Florida approves PragerU’s conservative ‘curriculum’ to be used in schools

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.3.33  Texan1211  replied to  Kavika @1.3.32    10 months ago

A supplement to the curriculum.

One which MAY be used but certainly not mandated.

So, what part of the educational tools supplied by Prager specifically have to do with religion--as claimed?

 
 
 
bugsy
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1.3.34  bugsy  replied to  Kavika @1.3.32    10 months ago

So?

What does that have to do with putting religion in public schools?

 
 
 
Kavika
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1.3.35  seeder  Kavika   replied to  Texan1211 @1.3.33    10 months ago

I never said it was mandated I just supplied you with confirmation that Prager U is authorized to be used in Florida schools.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.3.36  Texan1211  replied to  Kavika @1.3.35    10 months ago
I never said it was mandated I just supplied you with confirmation that Prager U is authorized to be used in Florida schools.

Okay then.

Was that in dispute somewhere?

The claim was that Prager U was used to teach religion in schools.

I call that a false claim.

 
 
 
Kavika
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1.3.37  seeder  Kavika   replied to  Texan1211 @1.3.36    10 months ago
I call that a false claim.

You can call it anything you choose.

But DeSantis has said this and Prager responded with this.

Gov. Ron DeSantis has repeatedly said Florida stands for "education, not indoctrination," while PragerU's founder admits the videos are meant to indoctrinate youths with Judeo-Christian values.

A non credited ''University'' with their propaganda in our public schools. 

 
 
 
CB
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1.3.38  CB  replied to  Kavika @1.3.37    10 months ago

And DeSantis knows what Prager University is about as a sitting governor. And yes, it's propaganda. Therefore, knowing and still sharing Prager U means DeSantis is "in" on it.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.3.39  Texan1211  replied to  Kavika @1.3.37    10 months ago
You can call it anything you choose.

Why, thank you so much. Think I'll just continue to call it what it is--false.

Now, if there is anything inherently wrong with traditional values, perhaps you can point out the most grievous offenses in the curriculum. 

Just so we all are on the same page what Prager is doing so wrong.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.3.40  Texan1211  replied to  CB @1.3.38    10 months ago
And yes, it's propaganda.

What specific propaganda are you claiming without citing?

 
 
 
CB
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1.3.41  CB  replied to  Texan1211 @1.3.40    10 months ago

This article (and its adjacent warnings by the Seeder to stay on topic) is not about Dennis Prager University per se but book bans so I will tie this back to propaganda and then leave off of it because I don't want to get 'axed' by the Seeder for overlong discussion about other things. 

This is Prager University propaganda

This is Prager University propaganda

 
 
 
MrFrost
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1.3.42  MrFrost  replied to  Texan1211 @1.3.33    10 months ago
So, what part of the educational tools supplied by Prager specifically have to do with religion--as claimed?

You were proven wrong. Might be time to give up. 

 
 
 
bugsy
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1.3.43  bugsy  replied to  devangelical @1.3.28    10 months ago

Not gonna answer my question at the end of 1.3.27 are you?

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.3.44  Texan1211  replied to  MrFrost @1.3.42    10 months ago
You were proven wrong.

No.

 Might be time to give up

True, but I doubt you will.

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.3.45  devangelical  replied to  bugsy @1.3.43    10 months ago

why would any professional librarian want to ban a work of fiction from any public library in america?

 
 
 
CB
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2  CB    10 months ago

Well, guess what comes next: The movie versions will be airing soon in Florida (on repeating basis). Unless, they mean to ban movies too!  We can all see what is IMPORTANT to MAGA - BEING OBEYED!  Master:Servant!  The GOP shapes the citizenry in its mode; not the citizenry the GOP!

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.1  Texan1211  replied to  CB @2    10 months ago

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CB
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2.1.1  CB  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1    10 months ago

SOSDD - Redux.  In the UPCOMING new year I resolve to not waste it on shallow commenters who are NEGATIVE ALL THE TIME and who can't see the good in people for the bad feelings they wish to project "into" everything they write. 

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JohnRussell
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3  JohnRussell    10 months ago

They want Bible studies instead of literature.

 
 
 
afrayedknot
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3.1  afrayedknot  replied to  JohnRussell @3    10 months ago

“They want Bible studies instead of literature.”

If folks could just look at the Bible as an important piece of literature.

My son had a high school English teacher who had a study of the book of Job as a literary piece…identifying the plot, the antagonist, the protagonist, character development et al. A brilliant idea…it was his last year, terminated after a long career. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
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4  MrFrost    10 months ago

Fascism, plain and simple, and the right wing just keeps on cheering. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
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4.1  Texan1211  replied to  MrFrost @4    10 months ago

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Gsquared
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5  Gsquared    10 months ago

Republicans love the poorly educated so much they want everyone to be poorly educated.  It's how authoritarians can take and maintain their hold on power.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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5.1  Texan1211  replied to  Gsquared @5    10 months ago

Democrats must love the poorly educated as well or they wouldn't support policies harming them.

 
 
 
Gsquared
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5.1.1  Gsquared  replied to  Texan1211 @5.1    10 months ago

That is a totally meaningless and ignorant comment.  A complete falsehood and nothing but propagandistic drivel.  It does, however, provide proof of the gist of my comment.

 
 
 
bugsy
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5.1.2  bugsy  replied to  Gsquared @5.1.1    10 months ago
That is a totally meaningless and ignorant comment.  A complete falsehood and nothing but propagandistic drivel. 

Hilarious that you think your comment was pure genius, but Texan, saying similar things, is the one that is ignorant and propaganda.

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Texan1211
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5.1.3  Texan1211  replied to  Gsquared @5.1.1    10 months ago
That is a totally meaningless and ignorant comment. 

So Democrats love their poorly educated base?

Good to hear an admission about it now.

Thanks!

 
 
 
bugsy
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5.1.4  bugsy  replied to  Texan1211 @5.1.3    10 months ago
So Democrats love their poorly educated base?

If not for these, the democratic party would be nothing more than a blip on the screen.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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5.1.5  Texan1211  replied to  bugsy @5.1.4    10 months ago
If not for these, the democratic party would be nothing more than a blip on the screen.

Always cracks me up when the left tries and fails at this line of "reasoning".

Two of the least educated groups in America vote reliably blue.

And Democrats pretend not to care!

 
 
 
TᵢG
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5.1.6  TᵢG  replied to  bugsy @5.1.4    10 months ago

Does not seem to be the case per Pew:  

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bugsy
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5.1.7  bugsy  replied to  TᵢG @5.1.6    10 months ago

Nowhere in my post did I mention any of this, especially the race of the democrats voter.

Also, your source is almost 5 years old, only until 2019. Got anything that covers the past presidential election? That could show a significant difference in what you posted here.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
5.1.8  Texan1211  replied to  bugsy @5.1.7    10 months ago

About 26% of Democratic voters are black or Hispanic.

Those two groups are also among the lowest in high school graduation rates.

Maybe it just makes Democrats mad that the GOP seemingly cares more about it than they do?

 
 
 
bugsy
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5.1.9  bugsy  replied to  Texan1211 @5.1.8    10 months ago

It is obvious democrats want a portion of their demographics to be and stay dumb so they can keep promising great things, get that vote, then completely forget about those great things until the next election. Wash, rinse, repeat.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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5.1.10  TᵢG  replied to  bugsy @5.1.7    10 months ago

Does this help you understand education level per party?:  

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Also, your source is almost 5 years old, ...

Yeah, well if you can find more recent data that backs up your claim:

bugsy @5.1.4 If not for these [ the poorly educated ], the democratic party would be nothing more than a blip on the screen.

... then let's see it.

My bet is that you will fail to deliver.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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5.1.11  Texan1211  replied to  bugsy @5.1.9    10 months ago
It is obvious democrats want a portion of their demographics to be and stay dumb so they can keep promising great things, get that vote, then completely forget about those great things until the next election. Wash, rinse, repeat.

Yep.  We both know that without those two groups voting in such high numbers for Democrats, Democrats would be hard-pressed to win any national elections. 

Maybe that's why Dems are getting more and more worried about Biden as his support from those two groups, as well as everyone overall, have gone down.

 
 
 
bugsy
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5.1.12  bugsy  replied to  TᵢG @5.1.10    10 months ago

Fail...this source is older than the last one. The last presidential election showed that most liberals voted for Biden simply because he was not Trump. Very good chance the numbers you provide had drastically changed.

If you can't find anything newer than 5-6 years old, it's OK.

 
 
 
Gsquared
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5.1.13  Gsquared  replied to  Texan1211 @5.1.3    10 months ago

That comment is even more meaningless and ignorant than the previous one.  It's hard to imagine that was possible, but there it is.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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5.1.14  Texan1211  replied to  Gsquared @5.1.13    10 months ago

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TᵢG
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5.1.15  TᵢG  replied to  bugsy @5.1.12    10 months ago

Your pathetic ' rebuttal ' failed to deliver any support that your claim has any truth to it whatsoever:

bugsy  @5.1.4  —  If not for these [  the poorly educated  ], the democratic party would be nothing more than a blip on the screen.

As I figured.   You made a ridiculous claim and have absolutely nothing to offer to back it up.

 
 
 
Kavika
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6  seeder  Kavika     10 months ago

Our fearless or is it freckless leader Ron DeSantis in addition to having his presidential bid in the toilet a judge just smacked one of these crazy laws down and said the he believed that DeSantis lied to the Florida citizens.

 
 
 
Kavika
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7  seeder  Kavika     10 months ago

OK, EVERYONE GET BACK ON TOPIC OR LEAVE THE ARTICLE.

 
 
 
Kavika
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8  seeder  Kavika     10 months ago

The article has been up for three days, time to shut it. down.

 
 

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