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Harris’ momentum is growing. Our polling expert explains whether it’ll last.

  

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Via:  hallux  •  4 months ago  •  17 comments

By:   Steven Shepard - Politico

Harris’ momentum is growing. Our polling expert explains whether it’ll last.
Candidates who end the conventions on the upswing typically see that momentum continue through to Election Day.

S E E D E D   C O N T E N T


Kamala Harris stole Donald Trump’s Republican convention bounce.

Now, polling conducted in the immediate run up to this week’s Democratic convention in Chicago shows the vice president entering not just with momentum, but with a slight advantage over Trump nationally and in most key battleground states — a dramatic reversal from the big hole President Joe Biden was in before he abandoned his candidacy just four weeks ago.






Just on Sunday, a new   ABC News/Washington Post/Ipsos national poll   showed Harris ahead by 6 points among likely voters, 51 percent to 45 percent, while a   CBS News/YouGov poll   gave Harris a 3-point lead.








Harris has also seized a small lead in enough swing states to give her an Electoral College majority, a deeply worrying sign for Trump in the crucial last months of the campaign. The vice president held advantages of at least 4 points in four state polls from The New York Times and Siena College  — Arizona, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin — that alone would hand Harris enough electoral votes to win the presidency, even if she lost the other swing states.







The former president is still well within striking distance, even after struggling to regain his footing against a new opponent. According to the latest FiveThirtyEight polling averages, Trump would only need to flip one of the three “blue wall” states — Michigan, Pennsylvania or Wisconsin — in order to win in November, as long as he takes all of the states where he is currently ahead of Harris in polling averages.

But the timing of Harris’ ascendance is perhaps even more notable than its magnitude and speed. She became a candidate on July 21, just eight days after the assassination attempt against the former president and less than 72 hours after Trump’s acceptance speech at the Republican convention in Milwaukee. Republicans had rallied behind Trump after the shooting and his own convention, and he appeared to be in a much stronger position than Biden, his opponent at the time.

In a typical campaign, the summer is the most volatile time, with the party not currently holding the White House receiving a polling bump following its convention — which by tradition comes first. The president’s party then responds with a corresponding surge that usually cancels out the earlier change.

But in this case, it’s Harris who has had the wind at her back since the Republican convention concluded last month. It’s far from a sure thing that Harris will continue to rise through the end of August — though some Republicans are preparing for the possibility that Harris will have a larger lead on Labor Day than she does now — but adding a convention bump on top of that could position Harris as a significant favorite in the race.

That’s because, historically, voters’ preferences are typically all-but-solidified at the conclusion of the conventions, and any changes in polling after the conventions are typically modest. But this has been anything but the typical campaign.

Here are five takeaways from the pre-convention polling:

Trump leads on issues but trails on personality.


How is Trump trailing Harris when voters trust him more on the economy, the issue they say is most important to their vote? Because they don’t like or trust him more broadly.

In the ABC News/Washington Post/Ipsos poll, Americans said they trust Trump over Harris when it comes to dealing with the economy — which nearly nine-in-10 respondents said was very important to their vote — 46 percent to 37 percent.

But it’s clear why Harris leads after looking at the candidates’ personal attributes.

Poll respondents are split on Harris’ image: 45 percent view the vice president favorably, while 44 percent view her unfavorably. For Trump, only 35 percent have a favorable opinion of him. The majority, 57 percent, view him unfavorably.

Back in July, Trump held a 31-point lead over Biden on the question of which candidate “is in good enough physical health to serve effectively as president.” In the new poll, the 78-year-old Trump is at a 30-point deficit on the same question.

Similarly, Harris, 59, leads Trump on which candidate “is honest and trustworthy” (by 15 points), “has the mental sharpness it takes to serve effectively as president” (by 9 points), “understands the problems of people like you” (by 7 points) and “represents your personal values” (by 6 points).

The Sun Belt is up for grabs again.


The reasons for Harris’ competitiveness in the four Sun Belt swing states go beyond just the topline numbers. She’s attracting voters a Democratic candidate needs in younger, more diverse states.

In the ABC News/Washington Post/Ipsos poll, Harris leads among those under age 40, 57 percent to 37 percent, even though Biden and Trump were neck-and-neck with the under-40 set last month.

Harris is also outrunning Biden among Black (more on that below) and Hispanic voters, who make up large segments of the electorates in Arizona, Georgia, Nevada and North Carolina.

Even before the June debate, Biden’s decline was especially concentrated among young and nonwhite voters, and many of those Sun Belt states looked out of reach. A path to an Electoral College majority still existed if he ran the table in the Rust Belt, but Harris’ recovery gives her a chance to win even if Trump picks off one of those northern states.

Black voters have come back to Harris.


In the ABC News/Washington Post/Ipsos poll, Black Americans broke for Harris, 83 percent to 11 percent — far more in line with recent precedent. Same with the New York Times/Siena College Sun Belt-state polls, in which Harris led, 84 percent to 11 percent, among Black likely voters.

And   Suffolk University/USA Today polling   of Black voters in Michigan and Pennsylvania shows Trump pulling in only about 10 percent among Black voters, about where he was in 2020.

There are still some polls that show historically high support for Trump, as a Republican — like last week’s   Fox News poll , which had the former president capturing 26 percent of Black voters. But generally speaking, the trend points to Harris, who is of both Black and South Asian ancestry, winning a more comparable share of Black voters.

Harris is winning the “democracy” argument.


Biden grounded his campaign in the argument that democracy was at stake — and threatened if Trump won the election.

Harris isn’t being as direct with her own messaging on the issue, but she’s still building an advantage over Trump. More than three-in-four Americans, 77 percent, say protecting democracy is at least very important to their vote in the ABC News/Washington Post/Ipsos poll, below only the economy and inflation and tied with health care and crime on the list of issues presented.

And Harris is more trusted on protecting democracy in the poll, 43 percent to 37 percent. Similarly, Sun Belt-state likely voters gave Harris an 8-point edge when it comes to handling democracy, 52 percent to 44 percent, in the New York Times/Siena College poll.

Yes, the convention bump actually matters.


While it’s perhaps not surprising that candidates see their poll numbers go up during their party’s convention — a made-for-TV infomercial for them and their policies — that doesn’t mean the conventions don’t matter.

To that point, Harris — who leads Trump by 1.4 percentage points in the   RealClearPolitics polling   average and 2.6 points in the   FiveThirtyEight average   — enters her convention in a significantly weaker position than Biden in 2020, but a stronger position than Hillary Clinton in 2016.

Clinton actually trailed Trump by less than a point in the RealClearPolitics average at the start of the 2016 Democratic convention because Trump was enjoying his convention bounce (the conventions were on back-to-back weeks in July 2016 because the Olympics, which were held in the Southern Hemisphere, began later in the summer than usual).

Historically, a party gets about a 4-point bounce from its convention, according to the book “The Timeline of Presidential Elections: How Campaigns Do (and Do Not) Matter.” But these bounces don’t always cancel each other out — and, most importantly, the party that sees the greatest improvement during the conventions “maintains its gain in the final week’s polls,” according to the authors, Robert S. Erikson and Christopher Wlezien.

“In other words, its poll numbers do not fade but instead stay constant post-conventions to the final week,” they write.



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Hallux
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1  seeder  Hallux    4 months ago

As one of NT's 'wags' stated it, "we'll know on Thursday".

 
 
 
Snuffy
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1.1  Snuffy  replied to  Hallux @1    4 months ago

Actually we'll know November 6th. Any national polling IMO is useless, let's not forget that in 2016 HRC was leading in all national polling and she won the popular vote by a large margin yet still lost in the EC vote. 

 
 
 
evilone
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1.1.1  evilone  replied to  Snuffy @1.1    4 months ago
let's not forget that in 2016 HRC was leading in all national polling

And let's not forget that she was trending down and going into the week of the election had fallen inside the +/- 4 margin of error. While being trashed for flying over a the blue wall states she also got hit with the FBI investigation news. This isn't the same. 

I'll still caution everyone that Harris' poll numbers are still well inside that margin of error threshold nationally and even less in the swing states mentioned. 

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.1.2  devangelical  replied to  evilone @1.1.1    4 months ago

convention bump, presidential debate, and then trump being sentenced for his felony convictions...

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.1.3  devangelical  replied to  devangelical @1.1.2    4 months ago

3 bumps...

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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2  Greg Jones    4 months ago

She may get a bit of a convention bounce, but it's likely to be all downhill from there.

She has the same problems that Hillary did, only worse. She's a disaster if off her leash and not scripted in her public utterances, has little to no grasp of the issues, has a radical agenda, and is disliked almost as much as Trump.

 
 
 
Hallux
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2.1  seeder  Hallux  replied to  Greg Jones @2    4 months ago
She has the same problems that Hillary did, only worse.

Hillary's problem was Bill. Your problem is making predictions and Clio likes nothing more than slapping them down.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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2.1.1  Greg Jones  replied to  Hallux @2.1    4 months ago

No Hal, Hillary's problem was Hillary, mostly because of her smug arrogance and condescension.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.1.2  Tessylo  replied to  Greg Jones @2.1.1    4 months ago

and she right, as in correct, about the deplorables and putin and trump and everything which is why the right hates her

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3  JohnRussell    4 months ago

All people like Politico care about is the "horse race". If Trump sinks too far in the polls they will attack Harris to prop him up. The media demands a compelling close race in the first week of November , and they will do anything they have to do to get it. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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4  Sean Treacy    4 months ago

Lol..  If you ever doubt the value of propaganda, look at what happened to "personal favorability" ratings as she hid from media while the media executed a full court press in her favor the last month.   Harris has not changed. She's the same bumbling fool who was talked of being replaced on the ticket less than six months ago.

But now Democrats need her, so the press rose to the occasion and responded with the type of fan girl coverage that might be too much for even NT's cheerleaders.  Proof positive that advertising works.

and any changes in polling after the conventions are typically modest

both Biden and Clinton had double digit leads in OCTOBER. 

This article's ham fisted attempt to will her to victory and create the sense of unbreakable momentum is part and parcel of the Harris media/PR campaign. Just look at the last two campaigns and what happened to the numbers of the Democrat as they got closer to election. She has a 2.7% lead per 538.  Trump is in much, much better polling  shape than he was in either in August 2016 or 2020  and he won one of those and came within 44,000 votes of winning the other.  

The race is a tossup and likely will be in November. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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4.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  Sean Treacy @4    4 months ago

and any changes in polling after the conventions are typically modest

Just to further point out how dishonest this claim is. 

After the conventions in July 2016, 538's poll analysis gave Trump a 50.1% chance of winning.  On August 19, 2016, it gave Clinton an 85.9% chance of winning.  And on the eve of the election, it gave her a 71.4% chance of winning.  

 
 
 
Hallux
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4.1.1  seeder  Hallux  replied to  Sean Treacy @4.1    4 months ago

I believe we all know that the polls in 2016 were faulty just as they were in 2022 when the infamous red wave sputtered out.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4.2  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @4    4 months ago
She has a 2.7% lead per 538.  Trump is in much, much better polling  shape than he was in either in August 2016 or 2020 

All irrelevant, he wasnt a known traitor in 2016 or 2020.  Now that people have an acceptable (to them) alternative, Trump is flailing and sinking. 

 
 
 
squiggy
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5  squiggy    4 months ago

"... (the conventions were on back-to-back weeks in July 2016 because the Olympics, which were held in the Southern Hemisphere, began later in the summer than usual)."

There's your hemispherical influence dynamic which tends to rule these more intricate polls.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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6  JohnRussell    4 months ago

I've been watching  Trump's economic speech in Pennsylvania.  He has said "no one's ever seen before " 7 or 8 times in ten minutes. No one's ever seen that before. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
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6.1  Tessylo  replied to  JohnRussell @6    4 months ago

All his 'speeches' are just him ranting and raving for however long the 'rally' is and saying the same thing over and over again and crowd size - his are bigger than any crowd EVER - and then rehashing the same shit over and over again

 
 

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