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Tens of thousands of illegal immigrants with sexual assault, murder convictions roaming US streets: ICE data

  

Category:  News & Politics

Via:  gooseisback  •  2 weeks ago  •  119 comments

By:   Fox News

Tens of thousands of illegal immigrants with sexual assault, murder convictions roaming US streets: ICE data
Tens of thousands of illegal immigrants with sex offenses and homicide convictions are loose on the streets, according to Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) data provided to lawmakers this week.

Kamala Harris' job on the Border is a disaster. 


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The data says that, among those not in detention, there are 425,431 convicted criminals and 222,141 with pending criminal charges.

13,099 convicted of homicide

15,811 have sexual assault convictions.

62,231 convicted of assault

14,301 convicted of burglary

56,533 with drug convictions 

2,521 have kidnapping convictions

There are an additional 1,845 with pending homicide charges, 42,915 with assault charges, 3,266 with burglary charges and 4,250 with assault charges.



"As of July 21, 2024, there were 662,566 noncitizens with criminal histories on ICE’s national docket—13,099 criminally convicted MURDERS!" 


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goose is back
Junior Guide
1  seeder  goose is back    2 weeks ago

Why would anyone vote for this person with the job she's done on the border!

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
1.1  TᵢG  replied to  goose is back @1    2 weeks ago

Given the alternative is Trump, the answer should be obvious:

  • Trump is historically by far the worst nominee of a major party.   Harris is a normal candidate for the D party.   
  • Trump is the most prolific pathological liar of our times.    Harris is a normal pandering politician.
  • Trump is a malignant narcissist who has proven he puts himself over country.    Harris will try to do what is best for the nation rather than for herself.
  • Trump is a negative curmudgeon who (in direct contrast to Reagan, et. al.) paints a picture of a nation in shambles.   Harris (like Reagan) inspires the nation with positivity.
  • Trump is the oldest nominee in US history.   Harris is 59 years old — a perfect age for a PotUS.
  • Trump is a loose cannon, an unpredictable, reactive childish asshole.   Harris is an adult who can control herself.
  • Trump is the opposite of presidential; an embarrassment for this nation.   Harris is presidential.
  • Trump is a lifelong con-man, thief, and serial womanizer.   Harris has led a life of lawfulness.

Given the choice of Trump or Harris, how could anyone want this scoundrel to have the power of the presidency??

You would give the power of the presidency  to this loose-cannon??:

 
 
 
goose is back
Junior Guide
1.1.1  seeder  goose is back  replied to  TᵢG @1.1    2 weeks ago
Harris is a normal candidate for the D party

Harris never received ONE vote in a primary, what part of that is normal?

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
1.1.2  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  TᵢG @1.1    2 weeks ago

And yet you said not one word about goose's question regarding the border. You just deflected to Trump.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
1.1.3  TᵢG  replied to  goose is back @1.1.1    2 weeks ago

Oh give it a rest.   This stupid talking point means nothing except to Trump supporters.

She is normal in terms that matter:  presidential, rational, intelligent, grounded, positive, energetic, experienced, ...

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
1.1.4  TᵢG  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @1.1.2    2 weeks ago

I gave a list of comparisons.   That is not a deflection to Trump.   He asked why people would vote for Harris and I explained it.

I am not a one-issue voter, Ed.   And the border is not even close to as bad as GOP leaning people make it out to be.   Our illegal immigration numbers have remained rather stable since George Bush 43.    We have had a spike of encounters under Biden and the Biden administration clearly should have taken more action.   But to exaggerate the living shit out of this issue and make it the issue that warrants electing a traitor is absurd.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
1.1.5  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  TᵢG @1.1.4    2 weeks ago

We live in different parts of the country, have different priorities, and see things differently. If you are inferring that I exagerated anything, I did no such thing. You know full well that I am on record as not being a Trump supporter, but happen to dislike Harris more than Trump and cannot in good conscience vote for either as I see neither as fit to be PotUS. I will do and vote the way my conscience dictates, not what those with opposing political views think I should or should not. You have a good day.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
Professor Participates
1.1.6  Greg Jones  replied to  TᵢG @1.1    2 weeks ago

Trump this and Trump that. We've heard it all before, ad infinitum. Biden and Harris have had four years to close the gate, and they have absolutely refused to do so. The so-called bipartisan bill would not have accomplished shyt.

Instead of continuing to put lipstick on pig Harris, the lefties should be ashamed of their behavior by making an already bad situation worse

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
1.1.7  Split Personality  replied to  goose is back @1.1.1    2 weeks ago

She received 81 million votes along with Joe Biden in 2020.

Biden had no plans to replace her when he got 14 million votes in the DNC primaries.

The assumption is that those people who voted for Biden also intended to vote for Harris.

Regardless, there is no requirement for a candidate to receive votes anywhere other than the convention

which settled the matter by voting over 98% for Harris, Biden came in second narrowly beating "other" and "present".

Contested conventions often featured new candidates and rarely provided a winning candidate for either party.

Of the two multiple ballot contested convention winners that went onto win the Presidency,  most everyone wished to forget Garfield and Woodrow Wilson.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
1.1.8  Sean Treacy  replied to  Greg Jones @1.1.6    2 weeks ago
. Biden and Harris have had four years to close the gate,

That's the answer...

Biden waited until this summer to exercise the power he had all along and up enforcement to levels that would have been impossible under the democrats new favorite bill. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
1.1.9  TᵢG  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @1.1.5    2 weeks ago

The stats show that the number of illegal immigrants has been rather stable since Bush 43.   That is what I am going by.   There has been a significant increase in encounters and an increase in illegals crossing the border, but it is NOT per the exaggerations.

I am critical of the Biden administration for dragging its feet on the border.   But I stop short of exaggerating the problem as has been done in this election cycle.

So this notion that Trump is a better choice merely because of the border is partisan nonsense.   Trump is a traitor.   He is a loose-cannon.   The guy should never be allowed any political power.   Trump is flat out not an option.   The border issue does not remotely compare with electing a traitor and scoundrel to the presidency.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
1.1.10  TᵢG  replied to  Greg Jones @1.1.6    2 weeks ago

Anyone who considers Trump a viable candidate is pouring perfume on shit.   

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
1.1.11  Sean Treacy  replied to  TᵢG @1.1.9    2 weeks ago
tion that Trump is a better choice merely because of the border is partisan nonsense. 

Lol. 

 
 
 
Ronin2
Professor Quiet
1.1.12  Ronin2  replied to  TᵢG @1.1.3    2 weeks ago
She is normal in terms that matter:  presidential, rational, intelligent, grounded, positive, energetic, experienced, ...

In your completely biased opinion. 

Name one presidential thing Harris has done just one? It sure as shit isn't winning a single primary vote; which she didn't. And it damn well isn't her border Czar failure, and international standing.

Rational- you call the hyena rational? Her cackle laugh is her standard go to whenever she is complete lost on a question; and she is lost a lot.

Intelligent? If her word salads were coming from Trump's mouth you would be calling him deranged.

Grounded? In what? Her ability to do whatever it takes to move up the Democrat food chain? She slept her way up the Democrat food chain in CA; and now we all get to wonder who she sold her soul to getting the Democrat nomination by fiat. Big money donors love her; when the words coming out of her mouth should make them fear her. Taxing unrealized capital gains? That is stupidity never seen before. It will crash the economy and wreck people's retirement funds.

Positive? She is positively an absolute liar. She is running the same campaign as Biden. Hide from the media who dotes on her; and snipe at Trump from a safe distance.

Energetic? Tell that to the media she is avoiding constantly. The ones that love her and throw soft ball questions she can't answer.

Experienced? With being on her knees, and selling out. She is very experienced.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
1.1.13  TᵢG  replied to  Ronin2 @1.1.12    2 weeks ago
Name one presidential thing Harris has done just one? 

Spoken to the public with a positive uplifting message of unity and a conviction that the USA is strong and can build a brighter future.

That is core to leadership.   A president is the voice and face of our nation; the PotUS should not be engaging in petty, childish name-calling, divisive rants against certain classes of people (or individuals), making outrageous claims (e.g.  'we will bomb you to smithereens'), etc.   We should have a leader who inspires good and who world leaders want to work with.

Experienced? With being on her knees, and selling out. She is very experienced.

This, as with the rest of your juvenile post, is pathetic.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
1.1.14  Tessylo  replied to  TᵢG @1.1.13    2 weeks ago
"Experienced? With being on her knees, and selling out. She is very experienced."

Why is that slur allowed to stand when I make a truthful remark about Melania it is removed?

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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1.1.15  1stwarrior  replied to  TᵢG @1.1    2 weeks ago

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1stwarrior
Professor Participates
1.1.16  1stwarrior  replied to  Split Personality @1.1.7    2 weeks ago

SHE received "NO" votes - Biden and the Dems received the votes.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
1.1.17  Tessylo  replied to  1stwarrior @1.1.16    2 weeks ago

Typical republicon talking point which is meaningless.

 
 
 
George
Junior Expert
1.1.18  George  replied to  1stwarrior @1.1.16    2 weeks ago

They couldn't hold an actual primary, they may have ended up with someone they couldn't control, like Joe Manchin.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
1.1.19  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Ronin2 @1.1.12    2 weeks ago

Harris certainly did very little if any for military retirees and disabled vets since she's been in office.

 
 
 
squiggy
Junior Silent
1.1.20  squiggy  replied to  TᵢG @1.1.3    one week ago
She is normal in terms that matter:  presidential, rational,

"Well, she has a great personality..."

Yea, we've all heard that one before. But, back to dismal performance...

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
1.1.21  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  TᵢG @1.1.3    one week ago
She is normal in terms that matter:  presidential, rational, intelligent, grounded, positive, energetic, experienced, ...

And yet she has failed to do anything for the people that have been effected by Hurricane Helena.  Not so "presidential, rational, intelligent, grounded, positive, energetic, experienced". 

Instead those affected received pathetic statements.

Biden spent the weekend on  Rehoboth Beach  in Delaware when this went out.  And Harris thought it more important to attend rallies in California and Vegas on Friday and Saturday instead of doing something productive (which would be a first in her career).

And you expect people to jump behind THAT?  

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
1.1.22  TᵢG  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @1.1.21    one week ago

I expect Trump supporters to do nothing but bad-mouth Harris at every turn.    

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
1.1.23  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  TᵢG @1.1.22    one week ago

It's not badmouthing if it's fact.  Fact partisans don't like to hear.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
1.1.24  TᵢG  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @1.1.23    one week ago

It really would be nice if Trump supporters were to actually operate on fact.   

It is always the same shit. Nothing that Ds do is ever good or valid in the eyes of Trump supporters.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
1.1.25  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  TᵢG @1.1.24    one week ago
It really would be nice if Trump supporters were to actually operate on fact. 

You should take that up with them then.  

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
1.1.26  CB  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @1.1.21    one week ago

Well, it's Monday morning and President Biden has addressed the Helene problem 'bright and early' and will be in 'theater' Wednesday.

Surely, trumpists would not run over the states cleaning projects/efforts with "looky-loos" (congress persons, entourages, media, and secret service protocols and processions) just for a stupid photo op!  /s

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
1.1.27  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  CB @1.1.26    one week ago
Well, it's Monday morning and President Biden has addressed the Helene problem 'bright and early' and will be in 'theater' Wednesday.

3 days later.  It took them THAT long to wake Biden up?  His handlers are really failing. But it's not like anything will be done for the people.  Maybe they should identify as Ukraine then they'd get billions.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
1.1.28  CB  replied to  TᵢG @1.1.22    one week ago

It's Monday. And the Trump 'karen's are singing a familiar tune. Nothing gets by them in their media 'blitz' to distort. It's really sad too—and yes, we can always HOPE they will do better with their rhetoric.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
1.1.29  CB  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @1.1.27    one week ago

Old grumbles and mumbles. Tempest in a teapot. What 'big' tropes trumpists have.

Well presidents won't respond to private and personal 'needs.'  It's the needs of the many that the government has to deliver for and doing so will take. . . time and space. BTW, emergency declarations have been declared!  "Don't worry - Help is on the way!"  :) 

The Trump 'karens' can stand down. . . or just stand on the sidelines 'singing and signing" while the rest of the adults get a week's work done! Or, hey, trumpists could help by pitching in with their resources! :)

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
1.1.30  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  CB @1.1.29    one week ago

So you are making excuses for the Biden Administration for ignoring it's citizens.  How sad.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
1.1.31  TᵢG  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @1.1.25    one week ago
You should take that up with them then.  

You are not a Trump supporter?

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
1.1.32  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  TᵢG @1.1.31    one week ago

As I've told you multiple times....No.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
1.1.33  TᵢG  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @1.1.32    one week ago

Bullshit, you have never told me that.   

One has to wonder then who is actually voting for Trump.   Seems most of the conservatives on this site are not going to vote for Trump yet they constantly run interference for him and piss all over anyone running on the D side.

How curious.   

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
1.1.34  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  TᵢG @1.1.33    one week ago
Bullshit, you have never told me that.

More than likely you ignored it because it didn't fit your partisan little narrative.  

Either way, you were told and it's not my problem how you deal with it.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
1.1.35  CB  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @1.1.30    one week ago

Don't need any 'excuses.'  Trumpists, apparently, wish the Biden Administration to ignore the professional advice (and wisdom which comes from practice and commonsense experiences) of his staff and secret service officials to run down to hurricane storm damage zones and just stand around looky-looing.

Now, if something untoward were to befall the president and/or vice-president, like some deranged shooter 'nut' taking shots at the president or something falls on the entourage. . . I am sure trumpists would feel bad (/s)  . . but immediately it becomes a crime/accident scene and truly SADLY instead of the administration being there to SERVE there will be a need for grandiose INVESTIGATIONS.

We have to let the professionals be professionals. They have the expertise. They have the duties and responsibilities. They have the SAFETY concerns.

'Karens' only have their 'songs.'

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
1.1.36  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  CB @1.1.35    one week ago
Don't need any 'excuses.' 

And yet here you are.

Trumpists, apparently, wish the Biden Administration to ignore the professional advice (and wisdom which comes from practice and commonsense experiences) of his staff and secret service officials to run down to hurricane storm damage zones and just stand around looky-looing.

Then you should take it up with Trumpists (who ever they are).  

Now, if something untoward were to befall the president and/or vice-president, like some deranged shooter 'nut' taking shots at the president or something falls on the entourag

Completely unrelated rabbit hole that you can have all to yourself.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
1.1.37  CB  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @1.1.36    one week ago

I see 'stupid' former president Crooked Donald the opportunist has flown in to try to preempt Biden's official and proper appearance in storm damaged areas on Wednesday. Of course, this is folly, but Crooked Donald loves his folly. Even got Franklin Graham ('Samaritan's Purse) in a press conference standing behind him. So much bulls-it. What a numb-skull acts as though he is a leader when what he really is at best is a 'side-liner.'

The proper processes are being put in place by the proper authorities since the storm dissipated. And, more to the point, since the flooding has been given time to display its full 'wrath' on the spaces affected. 

But, being that Crooked Donald is a 'nobody' . . he can not authorize the fixing of s-it. But, he can be the loudest 'Karen' on the scene. Sad. Pathetic. Crooked Donald.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
1.1.38  CB  replied to  CB @1.1.37    one week ago

I am outraged by the STUPIDITY of a former president/candidate attempting to upstage a sitting president. Imagine just how IGNORANT a visual it would appear to have a sitting president and a former president STOMPING around in this incident doing basic 'photo-ops' - Imagine the further fall-out! 

Crooked Donald is an effing IGNORANT JERK!  Franklin Graham is a Christian JERK! 

I "hope and pray" this photo-op blows up in both their "effing" faces—politically!

What kind of a 'monster' campaigns like this? Well, the same kind that mercilessly attends a "sacred:" national cemetery and stands on the graves of dead servicemembers as a photo op.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
1.1.39  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  CB @1.1.37    one week ago
I see 'stupid' former president Crooked Donald

Nonsense like that[]

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
1.2  Ozzwald  replied to  goose is back @1    2 weeks ago

Why would anyone vote for this person with the job she's done on the border!

Why would anyone vote for someone who prevented a (republican designed) bill to fix the border problem from being approved?  That individual obviously does not want to fix the problem.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
1.2.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  Ozzwald @1.2    2 weeks ago
one vote for someone who prevented a (republican designed)

It wasn't. 

ill to fix the border problem from being approved? \

It objectively would have made things worse. 

 
 
 
goose is back
Junior Guide
1.2.2  seeder  goose is back  replied to  Ozzwald @1.2    2 weeks ago
Why would anyone vote for someone who prevented a bill

Trump has no power to stop anything. 

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
1.2.3  Ozzwald  replied to  goose is back @1.2.2    2 weeks ago
Trump has no power to stop anything.

If you truly believe that, I feel sorry for you.  Trump controls too many House republicans who are more than willing to worship at his feet.

 
 
 
George
Junior Expert
1.2.4  George  replied to  Ozzwald @1.2    2 weeks ago
Why would anyone vote for someone who prevented a (republican designed) bill to fix the border problem from being approved?

Do you have a link to the actual Bill? and when did trump control the Senate? I thought Chuck Schumer was in charge? why didn't he bring it to the floor for a vote?

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
1.2.5  Split Personality  replied to  George @1.2.4    2 weeks ago
Do you have a link to the actual Bill? 

I believe this is the correct link.

Emergency National Security Supplemental Bill Text (senate.gov)

and when did trump control the Senate?

Apparently he has enough sway to deter 45 Republican Senators from voting on a bill.

I thought Chuck Schumer was in charge? why didn't he bring it to the floor for a vote?

It was scheduled for a Wednesday vote, by Tuesday night all Republican support melted away except for cosponsor Lankford.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
Professor Participates
1.2.6  1stwarrior  replied to  Split Personality @1.2.5    2 weeks ago

And when the Billions of dollars in aid to Ukraine and the Middle East showed up in the IMMIGRATION BILL, it was bashed - as it should have been.

 
 
 
George
Junior Expert
1.2.7  George  replied to  Split Personality @1.2.5    2 weeks ago

You linked a House Bill H.R. 815 , And that bill became law. so there was no actual Senate Bill? Schumer still controls the Seante and how many tie breakers has Kamala cast?  From the Bill  IN THE NATURE OF A SUBSTITUTE intended 
to be proposed by Mrs. MURRAY (for herself and Mr. 
SCHUMER) Seems Lankford isn't there, do you have the link to the Bill from Senator Lankford? Was there a Senate Bill? 

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
1.2.8  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  1stwarrior @1.2.6    one week ago

You are absolutely correct. What should have been and needed to be a stand alone border secirity bill was saddled with a huge number of riders, many added by the Democrats, onto the bill that had absolutely nothing to do with US border security. I read the bill and border security is covered on pages 62 through 69 out of a total of 370 pages. That is the real reason Republicans walked away from it.

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
1.2.9  Split Personality  replied to  George @1.2.7    one week ago

The link is the correct one. It has all of the House and Senate records in it.

I know it's confusing.  Apparently, Murphy, Sinema and Lankford just wrote the Border part of the bill.

Both sides had issues with it. There was opposition from the AIC, ACLU and others as well as Republicans.

Open this article and it clearly references HR.815 as the Senate Bill.

  An Analysis of the Senate Border Bill | American Immigration Council

PERHAPS THIS ARTICLE WILL HELP AS WELL...

A mid the ongoing immigration crisis, Oklahoma County Republicans on Saturday   censured U.S. Sen. James Lankford   for his work in crafting a bipartisan deal to secure the U.S.-Mexico border.  The overwhelming vote to censure the senior Republican senator came at a party convention in Oklahoma City attended by an estimated 225 members of the GOP.

Why did Lankford take up the bipartisan border bill?

House Republicans  tapped Lankford to negotiate  the bipartisan border deal.

Lankford and his fellow negotiators spent months on the package as the southern border buckled with immigrants. 

 In the end, H.R.815 was an emergency funding bill to extend many programs but border security changes wasn't included.

H.R.815 - 118th Congress (2023-2024): Making emergency supplemental appropriations for the fiscal year ending September 30, 2024, and for other purposes. | Congress.gov | Library of Congress

Please note on the Sinema site there is a link to the text of "her" bill, which goes straight to H.R.815.

Arizona senior Senator Kyrsten Sinema, joined by Republican Senator James Lankford (Okla.) and Democratic Senator Chris Murphy (Conn.), released the text of their bipartisan border security package – the strongest border security legislation in decades that reasserts control of the border, ends catch and release, enhances security, fixes the asylum system, and supports border communities.

Sinema, Lankford, and Murphy’s bipartisan package reasserts control of the border, protects border communities, disrupts the flow of fentanyl into the country, and solves the border crisis by ending catch and release, strengthening our asylum system by delivering determinations efficiently and fairly, enhancing security, and improving the legal immigration system.

THE BIPARTISAN BORDER SECURITY PACKAGE | Senator Kyrsten Sinema (senate.gov)

Murphy tried again with the same package negotiated by himself, Sinema and Lankford with the WH as Senate Bill 4361 on 05/16/2024 which was voted down 50 to 43 on 05/23/24

Summary of S. 4361: Border Act of 2024 - GovTrack.us

S.4361 - 118th Congress (2023-2024): Border Act of 2024 | Congress.gov | Library of Congress

The former president has claimed credit for killing the bill during his own stump speeches, telling supporters they can " blame it on me " during a January campaign stop in Nevada. The legislation — which was co-authored by Murphy along with Lankford and Sen. Kyrsten Sinema (I-Arizona) — would have hired thousands of new border agents and given the president the authority to close the border altogether if illegal crossings topped a set weekly threshold. However, Republicans quickly mobilized against it after Trump suggested anyone who supported it would face a primary challenger.

Author of border bill says GOP is now 'saying the truth out loud' about why they killed it (msn.com)

The former president has changed his tune this week saying he had nothing to do with the failure of the bill to pass, he knew nothing about it...

 
 
 
George
Junior Expert
1.2.10  George  replied to  Split Personality @1.2.9    one week ago

So they tried to put a comprehensive immigration bill into a temporary funding package that expired 9/30? And the stand-alone senate bill was introduced and couldn’t even get democrats to vote for the bill. Got it

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
1.2.11  Split Personality  replied to  George @1.2.10    one week ago
So they tried to put a comprehensive immigration bill into a temporary funding package that expired 9/30?

Spending bills require a lot of reading. The reference to the fiscal year is just that. Read the Military sections where different pots of money remain available for specific periods of time, i.e., 12/31/24 and 09/30/2026 seem to be favorites.

The immigration section was to be unalterable by the President for 3 years.

And the stand-alone senate bill was introduced and couldn’t even get democrats to vote for the bill. 

By that time the ACLU was set to sue along with the usual liberal groups and even conservative immigration groups were against it.  There was some support on both sides of the aisle but in the end, those seven voting "present" killed the bill by one vote.

Alphabetical by Senator Name 
Baldwin (D-WI), Yea
Barrasso (R-WY), Nay
Bennet (D-CO), Yea
Blackburn (R-TN), Nay
Blumenthal (D-CT), Yea
Booker (D-NJ), Nay
Boozman (R-AR), Nay
Braun (R-IN), Nay
Britt (R-AL), Nay
Brown (D-OH), Yea
Budd (R-NC), Nay
Butler (D-CA), Nay
Cantwell (D-WA), Yea
Capito (R-WV), Nay
Cardin (D-MD), Yea
Carper (D-DE), Yea
Casey (D-PA), Yea
Cassidy (R-LA), Nay
Collins (R-ME), Nay
Coons (D-DE), Yea
Cornyn (R-TX), Nay
Cortez Masto (D-NV), Yea
Cotton (R-AR), Nay
Cramer (R-ND), Nay
Crapo (R-ID), Nay
Cruz (R-TX), Nay
Daines (R-MT), Nay
Duckworth (D-IL), Yea
Durbin (D-IL), Yea
Ernst (R-IA), Nay
Fetterman (D-PA), Yea
Fischer (R-NE), Nay
Gillibrand (D-NY), Yea
Graham (R-SC), Nay
Grassley (R-IA), Nay
Hagerty (R-TN), Not Voting
Hassan (D-NH), Yea
Hawley (R-MO), Nay
Heinrich (D-NM), Yea
Hickenlooper (D-CO), Yea
Hirono (D-HI), Yea
Hoeven (R-ND), Nay
Hyde-Smith (R-MS), Nay
Johnson (R-WI), Nay
Kaine (D-VA), Yea
Kelly (D-AZ), Yea
Kennedy (R-LA), Nay
King (I-ME), Yea
Klobuchar (D-MN), Yea
Lankford (R-OK), Nay
Lee (R-UT), Nay
Lujan (D-NM), Yea
Lummis (R-WY), Nay
Manchin (D-WV), Not Voting
Markey (D-MA), Nay
Marshall (R-KS), Nay
McConnell (R-KY), Nay
Menendez (D-NJ), Not Voting
Merkley (D-OR), Yea
Moran (R-KS), Nay
Mullin (R-OK), Not Voting
Murkowski (R-AK), Yea
Murphy (D-CT), Yea
Murray (D-WA), Yea
Ossoff (D-GA), Yea
Padilla (D-CA), Nay
Paul (R-KY), Nay
Peters (D-MI), Yea
Reed (D-RI), Yea
Ricketts (R-NE), Not Voting
Risch (R-ID), Nay
Romney (R-UT), Nay
Rosen (D-NV), Yea
Rounds (R-SD), Nay
Rubio (R-FL), Nay
Sanders (I-VT), Nay
Schatz (D-HI), Yea
Schmitt (R-MO), Nay
Schumer (D-NY), Yea
Scott (R-FL), Nay
Scott (R-SC), Not Voting
Shaheen (D-NH), Yea
Sinema (I-AZ), Nay
Smith (D-MN), Yea
Stabenow (D-MI), Yea
Sullivan (R-AK), Nay
Tester (D-MT), Yea
Thune (R-SD), Nay
Tillis (R-NC), Nay
Tuberville (R-AL), Nay
Vance (R-OH), Nay
Van Hollen (D-MD), Yea
Warner (D-VA), Yea
Warnock (D-GA), Yea
Warren (D-MA), Not Voting
Welch (D-VT), Yea
Whitehouse (D-RI), Yea
Wicker (R-MS), Nay
Wyden (D-OR), Yea
Young (R-IN), Nay
Got it
Gad to help you "get it".
 
 
 
GregTx
Professor Guide
1.2.12  GregTx  replied to  Split Personality @1.2.11    one week ago
By that time the ACLU was set to sue along with the usual liberal groups and even conservative immigration groups were against it.

Sounds like bipartisan opposition.....

 
 
 
fineline
Freshman Silent
1.3  fineline  replied to  goose is back @1    2 weeks ago

 Why would anyone watch Fox news ?

 
 
 
goose is back
Junior Guide
1.3.1  seeder  goose is back  replied to  fineline @1.3    2 weeks ago
Why would anyone watch Fox news ?

Did someone ask you to watch Fox News?

 
 
 
Greg Jones
Professor Participates
1.3.2  Greg Jones  replied to  fineline @1.3    2 weeks ago

Why would anyone watch MSNBC or CNN?  

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
1.3.3  devangelical  replied to  Greg Jones @1.3.2    2 weeks ago

... wearing a pillowcase with 2 eyeholes cut out isn't required? /s

 
 
 
bugsy
Professor Participates
1.3.4  bugsy  replied to  devangelical @1.3.3    2 weeks ago

Is that how you watch MSDNC and CNN

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
1.3.5  devangelical  replied to  bugsy @1.3.4    2 weeks ago

no, I hide my 9mm under one with 3 holes in it, within easy reach in my car ...

 
 
 
bugsy
Professor Participates
1.3.6  bugsy  replied to  devangelical @1.3.5    2 weeks ago

Yea...OK...we believe you s/

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Senior Expert
1.3.7  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  devangelical @1.3.5    2 weeks ago

Is that legal in your state?

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
1.3.8  Split Personality  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @1.3.7    2 weeks ago

Apparently

Arizona open carry law allows for the following 1 2 3 4 5 :
  • Any person who is at least 18 years old and legally able to possess a firearm can openly carry a gun in public.
  • The gun must be visible and holstered.
  • Some areas are off-limits, such as schools and liquor stores with "no weapons" signs.
  • Anyone at least 21 years old can concealed carry a firearm without a permit.
 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
1.3.9  devangelical  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @1.3.7    2 weeks ago

old white guys don't fit within a priority profile.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
1.3.10  Tessylo  replied to  devangelical @1.3.3    2 weeks ago

Fucking awesome.

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1stwarrior
Professor Participates
1.3.11  1stwarrior  replied to  Split Personality @1.3.8    2 weeks ago

He's in Colorado - not Arizona.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
1.3.12  devangelical  replied to  1stwarrior @1.3.11    2 weeks ago

... like that matters to me. I dropped my ccw years ago. I know what the 2nd says, and any attempt by anyone to deny me of my constitutional rights, at my age I'm all in ...

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Senior Expert
1.3.13  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  devangelical @1.3.12    2 weeks ago
I know what the 2nd says, and any attempt by anyone to deny me of my constitutional rights, at my age I'm all in ...

Spoken like an old, entitled white guy.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
1.3.14  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  fineline @1.3    one week ago

Because it beats watching CNN...

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
1.3.15  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  1stwarrior @1.3.11    one week ago

Well, we had Harris in Douglas in Cochise county yesterday. That was a joke and a bonafide CF and a half.

 
 
 
charger 383
Professor Silent
1.3.16  charger 383  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @1.3.13    one week ago

What's wrong with that?

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
1.4  devangelical  replied to  goose is back @1    2 weeks ago

that's funny, coming from the rwnj media mouthpiece FOX on behalf of a candidate awaiting sentencing for 34 felony convictions and facing even more court dates on various other state and federal indictments ...

 
 
 
goose is back
Junior Guide
1.4.1  seeder  goose is back  replied to  devangelical @1.4    2 weeks ago
that's funny, coming from the media mouthpiece FOX

Really.........is Fox running the Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) under the Biden -Harris administration. 

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
1.4.2  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  devangelical @1.4    2 weeks ago

Going to be quite interesting if those 34 should get overturned on appeal.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
Professor Participates
1.4.3  Greg Jones  replied to  devangelical @1.4    2 weeks ago

Deflection alert!

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
1.4.4  Split Personality  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @1.4.2    2 weeks ago

Not sure they will be overturned but there's a huge probability that the award will be significantly reduced.

And no matter what happens, it will be appealed to the highest appellate court in the state and barring a complete reversal, SCOTUS.  Many years from now.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
1.4.5  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Split Personality @1.4.4    2 weeks ago

Not sure why you are attributing a quote by George in #1.2.4 in response to my statement in #1.4.2.

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
1.4.6  Split Personality  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @1.4.5    2 weeks ago

Easily fixed and had no effect on my response to you.

I do wonder why anyone would feel compelled to vote your question up.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
1.4.7  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Split Personality @1.4.6    2 weeks ago

No telling, but I actually agree with the rest of your post.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
1.4.8  Tessylo  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @1.4.2    2 weeks ago

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devangelical
Professor Principal
1.4.9  devangelical  replied to  Split Personality @1.4.4    2 weeks ago
Many years from now.

he's quickly running out of time and selling $100K watches isn't going to save him either ...

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
1.4.10  Split Personality  replied to  devangelical @1.4.9    one week ago

The watches are ersatz, how appropriate is that?

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Masters Guide
1.5  Right Down the Center  replied to  goose is back @1    2 weeks ago
Why would anyone vote for this person with the job she's done on the border!

That is simple. But but but Trump!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1.6  Vic Eldred  replied to  goose is back @1    one week ago

Yesterday morning, Sen Chris Coons began spinning those facts.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
2  Sean Treacy    2 weeks ago

Trump was right again.  When will the media and democrats apologize ?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
2.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @2    2 weeks ago

Trump can kiss my ass. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
2.2  MrFrost  replied to  Sean Treacy @2    2 weeks ago
When will the media and democrats apologize ?

When trump apologizes.

 
 
 
goose is back
Junior Guide
2.2.1  seeder  goose is back  replied to  MrFrost @2.2    2 weeks ago
When trump apologizes.

For what having a secure border when he left office! 

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
2.2.2  MrFrost  replied to  goose is back @2.2.1    one week ago

For what having a secure border when he left office! 

Not even sure where to start LOL 

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
2.2.3  MrFrost  replied to  goose is back @2.2.1    one week ago

For what having a secure border when he left office! 

I was thinking for his health care plan that is coming out in 2 weeks?

 
 
 
GregTx
Professor Guide
2.2.4  GregTx  replied to  MrFrost @2.2.3    one week ago

Where does health care rank in issues?... Job well done.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3  JohnRussell    2 weeks ago

How many of these criminals entered the US during Trumps four years in office? 

 
 
 
goose is back
Junior Guide
3.1  seeder  goose is back  replied to  JohnRussell @3    2 weeks ago
How many of these criminals entered the US during Trumps four years in office

Trump hasn't been the border czar for the past 3 1/2 years, your empty-headed vessel has been responsible.  

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3.1.1  JohnRussell  replied to  goose is back @3.1    2 weeks ago

Where does it say all these people entered in the past 4 years? Maybe I missed it. 

 
 
 
goose is back
Junior Guide
3.1.2  seeder  goose is back  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.1    2 weeks ago
Where does it say all these people entered in the past 4 years? Maybe I missed it. 

Keep shooting the messenger, JR. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.1.3  Tessylo  replied to  goose is back @3.1.2    2 weeks ago

So when?  Don't dodge the question.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
Professor Participates
3.2  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @3    2 weeks ago

Not as many as Biden and Harris have encouraged and allowed in

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
4  JohnRussell    2 weeks ago
29.5 percent

So by the FBI’s standard, 73.5 million people in the United States had a criminal record as of June 30. The Census Bureau lists the adult population in the United States at 249.4 million. That means  the FBI considers about  29.5 percent of adults to have a criminal record.

How many U.S. adults      have       a criminal       record   ? - PolitiFact

Illegal immigrants , based on 12 million illegal immigrants and an adult population of 250 million represent   4.8%   of the population. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
4.1  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @4    2 weeks ago

Apparently 1 out 4 Americans who are not illegal immigrants have some sort of criminal record. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
4.1.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1    2 weeks ago
pparently 1 out 4 Americans who are not illegal immigrants have some sort of criminal record. 

So?  Why would that possibly justify letting murderers and rapists in our country? 

 
 
 
George
Junior Expert
4.1.2  George  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1    2 weeks ago

And 100% of illegals are criminals just by the fact that they are here. 

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
4.1.3  devangelical  replied to  Sean Treacy @4.1.1    2 weeks ago
Why would that possibly justify letting murderers and rapists in our country?

... that are mostly catholics.

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
4.1.4  MrFrost  replied to  Sean Treacy @4.1.1    one week ago

So?  Why would that possibly justify letting murderers and rapists in our country? 

Trump is already here. 

 
 
 
GregTx
Professor Guide
4.1.5  GregTx  replied to  devangelical @4.1.3    one week ago

Why do you think they're mostly Catholic?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.1.6  Vic Eldred  replied to  devangelical @4.1.3    one week ago
that are mostly catholics.

Please remind all the legal ones when they go to vote.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
4.1.7  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.6    one week ago

WHEN WILL SOME CONSERVATIVE OBJECT TO TRUMP LYING LIKE THIS ?

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JohnRussell
Professor Principal
4.1.8  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.6    one week ago
The vast majority of the homicide convictions are not individuals who came into the country during the Biden administration: They are immigrants who have been added to ICE’s records over the past 40 years. Many of those on the list were added during the Trump administration. How Trump is distorting immigration and crime data in new attacks on Harris (msn.com)
 
 
 
1stwarrior
Professor Participates
4.2  1stwarrior  replied to  JohnRussell @4    2 weeks ago

How 'bout showing some links to your posts - you know - for believability and fact checking.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
5  JohnRussell    2 weeks ago

Trump claims there are 15-20 million illegal immigrants in the US.   According to Snopes roughly 8 million have entered during the last 4 years.  By Trumps reckoning that leaves 7-12 million people who did not enter during Bidens term.  Are none of these people criminals ? 

Appx 2 million undocumented entered during Trumps 4 years. How many murderers and rapists in that crowd? 

 
 
 
George
Junior Expert
5.1  George  replied to  JohnRussell @5    2 weeks ago

So trying to deflect to trump somehow makes the fact that Biden has let in 4 times as many murderers and rapist better?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
5.1.1  JohnRussell  replied to  George @5.1    2 weeks ago

It is a rough estimation, but appx 3.4% of sexual assaults and rapes are committed by illegal immigrants  and they represent 4.8% of the population. 

 
 
 
A. Macarthur
Professor Guide
6  A. Macarthur    2 weeks ago

In February, El Cajon mayor and Republican congressional candidate Bill Wells sounded a familiar alarm on Fox News.

“There are a lot of people coming over and we have no idea who they are,” Wells said about migrants crossing the border illegally. “It stands to reason that many of them will be criminals.”

Such statements are not supported by crime statistics. Yet, leading up to November’s presidential election, politicians are using fear of “migrant crime” as a rationale for policies like mass deportations and shutting down the asylum system.

s/border-immigration/2024/08/27/no-migrant-crime-wave-experts-fact-check-election-rhetoric

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
7  CB    one week ago
Kamala Harris' job on the Border is a disaster. 

The U.S. border is not an assigned job to our Vice-President of the United States, Kamala Harris. The statement implies she is some kind of 'border czar' —she is not! The quote above is deliberate DISINFORMATION.  It is fearmongering and UNTRUE

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
8  Jeremy Retired in NC    one week ago

The number of people trying to deflect to somebody else instead of discussing the information presented is hilearious.  Expected, but hilarious.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
8.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @8    one week ago

will you call on Donald Trump to stop lying about this ? 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
8.1.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @8.1    one week ago

Thanks for proving my point.  

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
8.1.2  JohnRussell  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @8.1.1    one week ago

LOL.

www.washingtonpost.com   /politics/2024/09/29/trump-migrants-crimes-harris/

How Trump is distorting immigration and crime data in new attacks on Harris

Mariana Alfaro, Nick Miroff 7-9 minutes   9/29/2024


The Trump campaign and allies of the former president are distorting official Homeland Security statistics on undocumented immigrants with criminal records, claiming that thousands of these migrants have come in during the Biden administration when, in reality, the numbers that they’re citing span decades.

The data, which was released by Immigration and Customs Enforcement to Congress late last week, shows there are 13,099 immigrants with homicide convictions who are not currently jailed by ICE.

On Sunday in particular, Republican lawmakers seized this data to criticize Democrats, specifically Vice President   Kamala Harris , whom former president   Donald Trump   has tried to portray as weak on the border as the election approaches.

For instance, Trump and his allies claimed that the 13,099 immigrants cited by ICE in a letter were “released” by Democrats and are “at large,” posing a danger to U.S. citizens. But Republicans are misinterpreting the ICE data, a DHS spokesperson said in a statement Sunday.

The 13,099 immigrants with murder convictions cited by Trump and his allies are part of ICE’s “non-detained” docket. That’s a list of nearly 7 million people   who have pending immigration cases before the agency but who are not jailed by ICE for various reasons — such as because they are currently incarcerated by federal, state or local authorities or because they have already served their criminal sentences but have not been deported.

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Immigrants living in the United States illegally who commit crimes and go to prison are typically transferred to ICE custody once they complete their sentences here. ICE may try to immediately deport them to their home countries, but some have pending immigration cases and receive permission to remain in the United States while their claims are resolved.

An immigrant who commits a homicide at age 20 and completes a lengthy U.S. prison term could be allowed to remain in the United States upon release if a judge allows it; for example, because the person has U.S.-born children or other reasons.

The vast majority of the homicide convictions are not individuals who came into the country during the Biden administration: They are immigrants who have been added to ICE’s records over the past 40 years. Many of those on the list were added during the Trump administration.

“The data goes back decades; it includes individuals who entered the country over the past 40 years or more, the vast majority of whose custody determination was made long before this administration,” a DHS spokesperson told The Washington Post on Sunday.

The data first started circulating after acting ICE Director P.J. Lechleitner sent a letter on Wednesday replying to a request from Rep. Tony Gonzales (R-Tex.).

Lechleitner’s letter does not make clear how many of the 13,099 convicted murders on the agency’s non-detained list are in jail outside of ICE’s jurisdiction.

The number of cases on ICE’s non-detained docket nearly doubled during Biden’s presidency, when illegal border crossings reached record highs between 2021 and 2023.

The data in Lechleitner’s letter shows that, as of July 21, there were about 660,000noncitizens with criminal histories on ICE’s national docket. Of those who are not being held by ICE, 425,431 are convicted criminals.

The data reported in the letter represents immigrants recorded over the past four decades, though the letter doesn’t specify when the record officially began.

As Aaron Reichlin-Melnick, a policy analyst at the American Immigration Council,   noted on   X , that number has gone up by 15 percent since 2015, when 368,574 convicted criminals not held by ICE were recorded.

Reichlin-Melnick also noted that many on this docket “have been here for decades” and “can’t be deported, often for diplomatic reasons.”

“Anyone on ICE’s non-detained docket with a homicide conviction has likely been in the country for decades, served a full criminal sentence, and can’t be removed because they’re from a country which restricts US deportations,” Reichlin-Melnick   wrote   on social media. “There are others on ICE’s non-detained docket who have serious criminal records who, after serving their time, managed to win some form of protection and relief from removal. They are now here legally, but remain on the docket and are required to check in with ICE periodically.”

There is   no evidence   that undocumented immigrants commit violent crimes at higher rates   than U.S. citizens.

Over the weekend, Trump and his allies cited none of these details — including what Trump had done with the migrant backlog during his term in office.

Instead, during a rally on Saturday evening in the swing state of Wisconsin, several enlarged posters with images of migrants in orange jumpsuits were used as a stage backdrop. Trump falsely alleged that “13,099 convicted murderers have crossed the border and are free to roam and kill in our country” under the Biden administration and tried to tie the problem to Harris’s actions as vice president, falsely labeling her the “border czar.”

On Sunday, Trump once again cited the distorted statistics during a rally in Erie, Pa. Earlier in the day, Sen. Tom Cotton (R-Ark.) repeated the same false claim, saying in an interview with CBS’s “Face the Nation” that the Biden administration “just acknowledged that they released more than 13,000 convicted murderers who illegally entered this country.”

Democrats have sought to explain what the data really represents.

“That’s a misleading number,” Sen. Chris Coons (D-Del.) told “Fox News Sunday.” “Those 13,000 convicted of homicide, they may not be in ICE custody, but most of them are in prison, state, federal or local prisons and will be deported as soon as they finish serving their prison terms under the Biden-Harris administration.”

The Biden-Harris administration, he added, “have prioritized the deportation of those who’ve committed violent crimes and have, in fact, deported them at a 50 percent higher rate than under former president Trump, who didn’t make that a key priority.”

In his letter to Gonzales, Lechleitner added that the Department of Homeland Security is “removing and returning record numbers of migrants who are unable to establish a legal basis to remain in the United States, and prioritizing for removal those who present national security and public safety risks, and recent border crossers.”

Harris, who visited the southern border Friday, noted that the Biden administration and a bipartisan group of senators have tried to address DHS’s backlog in the processing of many detention and deportation cases by securing additional funding for the department. But that failed, she said, after Trump urged congressional allies to torpedo a tough bipartisan immigration bill earlier this year. She also took aim at Trump’s record while in office and his current harsh rhetoric about immigrants.

“In the four years Donald Trump was president, he did nothing to solve our immigration problems,” Harris said. “He separated families. He ripped toddlers out of their mothers’ arms, put children in cages and tried to end protections for dreamers. He made the challenges at the border worse. And he is still fanning the flames of fear and division.”

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
8.1.3  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @8.1.2    one week ago

Wow.  Doubling down on nonsense.  Can't say I'm surprised.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
8.1.4  CB  replied to  JohnRussell @8.1.2    one week ago
The 13,099 immigrants with murder convictions cited by Trump and his allies are part of ICE’s “non-detained” docket. That’s a list of nearly 7 million people   who have pending immigration cases before the agency but who are not jailed by ICE for various reasons — such as because they are currently incarcerated by federal, state or local authorities or because they have already served their criminal sentences but have not been deported.

Immigrants living in the United States illegally who commit crimes and go to prison are typically transferred to ICE custody once they complete their sentences here. ICE may try to immediately deport them to their home countries, but some have pending immigration cases and receive permission to remain in the United States while their claims are resolved.

An immigrant who commits a homicide at age 20 and completes a lengthy U.S. prison term could be allowed to remain in the United States upon release if a judge allows it; for example, because the person has U.S.-born children or other reasons.

The vast majority of the homicide convictions are not individuals who came into the country during the Biden administration: They are immigrants who have been added to ICE’s records over the past 40 years. Many of those on the list were added during the Trump administration.

- from the article.

LIARS gotta LIE!

 
 

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