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Trump secretly sent covid tests to Putin during 2020 shortage, new book says

  

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Via:  hallux  •  3 months ago  •  83 comments

By:    Isaac Stanley-Becker - WaPo

Trump secretly sent covid tests to Putin during 2020 shortage, new book says
“War,” by Bob Woodward, traces how Trump and Biden responded to international crisis and concludes that Trump is worse than Nixon, the president exiled by the Watergate scandal.

S E E D E D   C O N T E N T


As the coronavirus tore through the world in 2020, and the United States and other countries confronted a  shortage of tests  designed to detect the illness, then-President  Donald Trump  secretly sent coveted tests   to Russian President Vladimir Putin for his personal use.



Putin, petrified of the virus, accepted the supplies but took pains to prevent political fallout — not for him, but for his American counterpart. He cautioned Trump not to reveal that he had dispatched the scarce medical equipment to Moscow, according to a new book by Washington Post associate editor   Bob Woodward .



Putin, according to the book, told Trump, “I don’t want you to tell anybody because people will get mad at you, not me.”


Four years later, the personal relationship between the two men appears to have persisted, Woodward reports, as Trump campaigns to return to the White House and Putin orchestrates his bloody assault on Ukraine. In early 2024, the former president ordered an aide away from his office at Mar-a-Lago, his private club and residence in Florida, so he could conduct a private phone call with the Russian leader, according to Woodward’s account.



The book does not describe what the two men purportedly discussed, and it quotes a Trump campaign official casting doubt on the supposed contact. But the unnamed Trump aide cited in the book indicated that the GOP standard-bearer may have spoken to Putin as many as seven times since Trump left the White House in 2021.


These interactions between Trump and the authoritarian leader of a country at war with an American ally form the basis of Woodward’s conclusion that Trump is worse than Richard M. Nixon, whose presidency was undone by the Watergate scandal exposed a half-century ago by Woodward and his Washington Post colleague Carl Bernstein .


“Trump was the most reckless and impulsive president in American history and is demonstrating the very same character as a presidential candidate in 2024,” Woodward writes in the book, “ War ,” which is set to be released Oct. 15.



Trump campaign spokesman Steven Cheung said, “None of these made-up stories by Bob Woodward are true," issuing a string of personal attacks on the author and saying Trump didn’t give him an interview for the book. Cheung argued that the book “either belongs in the bargain bin of the fiction section of a discount bookstore or used as toilet tissue.”



With publication on the eve of the presidential election, Woodward, who has chronicled the successes and failures of U.S. presidents for 50 years, concludes that Trump is unfit for office while President   Joe Biden   and his team, mistakes notwithstanding, exhibited “steady and purposeful leadership.” Vice President   Kamala Harris , the Democratic presidential nominee, makes several appearances in the narrative, with Woodward presenting her as a shrewd and loyal No. 2 to Biden but not an influential voice in his administration’s foreign policy.


The book is Woodward’s fourth since Trump’s upset victory in 2016. It focuses principally on the twin wars consuming Biden’s national security team — Russia’s all-out war  in Ukraine, which began in February 2022, and Israel’s  campaign against Hamas  and other Iranian-backed proxies since the Hamas attacks of Oct. 7, 2023.



The book also examines the long shadow cast by Trump over the foreign conflicts of the past four years, and over the bitter U.S. political environment in which they have unfolded. And it includes candid assessments by Biden of his own missteps, including his decision to make Merrick Garland attorney general. Reacting to   the prosecution   of his son Hunter — by a special prosecutor named by Garland amid partisan recriminations over the Justice Department’s prosecution of Trump — the president told an associate, “Should never have picked Garland.”



Woodward reveals how Biden weighed his fate before   exiting the presidential race   in July, including over lunch earlier that month with Antony Blinken, his secretary of state. Blinken, reports Woodward, warned Biden in the private dining room off the Oval Office that everyone’s legacy is reduced to a single sentence — and that, if he continued to campaign and lost to Trump, that would be his legacy.


Still, Blinken believed at the end of the meal that the president was leaning toward staying in the race, underscoring how unpredictable Biden’s decision-making  remained until the final moment.



“War” illuminates the frantic, and often failed, effort by Biden’s team to prevent escalation of fighting in the Middle East — fighting that the president came to see as inseparable from Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s political fortunes, and from political dynamics in the United States, too.



According to Woodward, one of Trump’s national security advisers, Keith Kellogg, secretly met with Netanyahu during a trip to Israel earlier this year. Upon his return, Kellogg publicly circulated a   memo   effectively blaming Biden for the   Hamas -led attack on Israel, writing, “This visit reinforced that the Biden Administration’s erosion of U.S. deterrence globally and its failed policies vis-à-vis Iran have opened America up to a regional war in the Middle East with devastating consequences for our ally Israel.”


At the time, Biden advisers were pushing Israel’s leaders to agree to a cease-fire deal as part of an effort to head off an invasion of Rafah, in the southern Gaza Strip . Their entreaties were futile; the  Rafah offensive  began in May. No one felt the limits of the administration’s ability to restrain Israel more acutely than Blinken. “It was obvious Blinken had no influence,” Woodward writes.



On Ukraine, too, Trump’s influence was pronounced, even from his home at Mar-a-Lago. The former president’s resistance to funding Kyiv’s war effort created a blockade on GOP support in the House. This past spring, House Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.) was able to persuade Trump to soften his stance, according to Woodward, not by showing him that Ukraine’s cause was just, but by convincing him that the aid package would help the Republican conference’s electoral chances and thus benefit him personally in the run-up to the November election.



“War” offers several snapshots of Harris, always in a supporting role to Biden and hardly determining foreign policy herself.


The book recounts how Harris sought to spur French President Emmanuel Macron into action in the fall of 2021, in preparation for what the U.S. intelligence community indicated would be a significant Russian military action against Ukraine. So, too, the vice president made her case to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky at the Munich Security Conference in February 2022, going so far as to press him to develop a succession plan ensuring stability “if you’re captured or killed,” as she put it. And the book reveals how her forceful public tone  following a meeting in July with Netanyahu — pledging that she would “not be silent” about Palestinian suffering — contrasted with her more amicable approach in private. The difference, according to Woodward, infuriated Netanyahu, who was taken aback by her public remarks.



From the Israeli viewpoint, however, Harris had little responsibility for the administration’s approach to the conflict.



“Until now, I didn’t feel that Vice President Harris had any impact on our issues,” Michael Herzog, the Israeli ambassador in Washington, is quoted as saying about the period before Harris replaced Biden on the ticket. “She was in the room, but she never had an impact.”


As for Trump’s own decision-making process on foreign affairs when he was commander in chief, the book shows how he took in a wide range of viewpoints, including from people without relevant expertise. During a high-level meeting about Afghanistan held at one point in the Situation Room, Trump went around the table to ask everyone’s opinion.


“Mr. President, I’m the notetaker,” one person deflected.



“Oh, no,” Trump replied, “if you’re in this room, you’re talking.” The notetaker briefly shared her views.


“War” presents the   withdrawal from Afghanistan , in the summer of 2021, as a wound for the Biden administration that would shape its response to other international flash points. The debacle, in which U.S. intelligence   failed to foresee   how quickly the Taliban would seize power, elicited sympathy from the architect of the initial 2001 invasion, George W. Bush, who told Biden, according to the book: “Oh boy, I can understand what you’re going through. I got [expletive] by my intel people, too.”


Woodward contrasts the intelligence failure in Afghanistan to the remarkable insight gained by American spies into Russian plans ahead of its full-scale invasion of Ukraine in 2022. U.S. capabilities, Woodward reports, included a human source inside the Kremlin.


The book shows how Biden’s early decisions, which were sometimes in conflict with the judgments of his closest advisers, shaped the course of the war. Foremost was his public vow that Washington would not commit troops to the conflict, which took a key bargaining chip off the table but laid down a marker for the American public wary of new foreign entanglements. Biden, according to Woodward, felt past Russian aggression had been badly mismanaged by his predecessors, including the one he had served, Barack Obama.


Biden’s own blunders were costly, the book reveals. In January 2022, he seemed to undercut American resolve by raising the possibility that Russia might seek only a “minor incursion.” His   national security adviser, Jake Sullivan, had to do damage control with counterparts in nine NATO countries, in addition to Japan, Woodward reveals.



Woodward writes that Biden’s most delicate diplomacy, however, involved seeking to foreclose Russia’s nuclear option. In the fall of 2022, that option seemed like a live one, as U.S. intelligence agencies reported that Putin was seriously weighing use of a tactical nuclear weapon — at one point assessing the likelihood at 50 percent. An especially frantic quest to bring Moscow back from the brink came in October of that year, when Russia appeared to be laying the groundwork for escalation by accusing Ukraine of preparing to detonate a dirty bomb.



Biden’s team confronted similar hair-raising moments with the Israelis, Woodward reports, foreshadowing Netanyahu’s   recent campaign against Hezbollah , the Lebanon-based militant group and Iranian proxy, in an explicit rejection of U.S. calls for a cease-fire. In a parallel of unsubstantiated Russian claims of Ukraine’s intention to use a dirty bomb, the Israelis seemed poised, in the days after Oct. 7, 2023, to launch a preemptive strike against Hezbollah based on what American experts deemed “phantom” warnings of Hezbollah mobilization along Israel’s northern border.


“The Israelis always do this,” was the reaction of Brett McGurk, Biden’s Middle East coordinator, according to the book. “They claim ‘We got the intel! You’ll see it. You’ll see it.’ But like 50 percent of the time the so-called intel doesn’t actually show up.” Apparent drones reported by the Israelis turned out to be birds.



Yet the book also shows how the Biden administration did little to alter its policy toward Israel even as senior U.S. officials abandoned their belief that the government in Jerusalem was operating in good faith. Already in the days after Oct. 7, Blinken’s impression of Defense Minister Yoav Gallant’s approach was: “It doesn’t matter how many people die. I have a mission to eradicate Hamas and it doesn’t matter how many Palestinians die. It doesn’t matter how many Israelis die.”



Biden, according to Woodward, was cautious about setting limits on Israel’s conduct lest Netanyahu blow past them. In a one-on-one call in April, Netanyahu promised Biden that the Rafah offensive would take only three weeks, a vow the American president never took seriously. “It’ll take months,” Biden replied.


To associates, Biden complained that Netanyahu was a liar only interested in his political survival. And he concluded the same of the prime minister’s associates, saying that 18 out of 19 people who work for Netanyahu are “liars.”



At the same time, support for the Biden administration’s Middle East policy came from unexpected places, the book reveals. Before the Oct. 7 attacks, Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), a loyal Trump lieutenant and shape-shifter who went from an outspoken critic of Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman to a trusted interlocutor, had relayed information to Biden about prospects for the normalization of relations between Saudi Arabia and Israel. Graham believed normalization was best completed under Biden, arguing that congressional Democrats would be reluctant to lend support to a Trump-sponsored initiative. Graham promised he could deliver the Republican votes.



After Oct. 7, Graham continued to engage with the crown prince. During a March visit by the senator to Riyadh, which is recounted by Woodward, Graham proposed a phone call with Trump, so the crown prince pulled out a burner phone labeled “TRUMP 45.” In earlier meetings, the crown prince had brandished other such devices, including one labeled “JAKE SULLIVAN” for Biden’s national security adviser.


During the March call with Trump, conducted by the crown prince over speakerphone while Graham was present, the former president teased the senator for once calling for the Saudi royal’s ouster over the assassination of Washington Post columnist Jamal Khashoggi, which the CIA   concluded   Mohammed had ordered. Graham brushed it off, professing to have been wrong about the autocrat.



The royal court in Riyadh, however, is not the comparison Graham uses when describing visits to Trump’s residence at Mar-a-Lago. According to Woodward, the senator invokes an even more brutal form of authoritarianism.



“Going to Mar-a-Lago is a little bit like going to North Korea,” the book quotes Graham as saying. “Everybody stands up and claps every time Trump comes in.”













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Hallux
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1  seeder  Hallux    3 months ago

Woodward takes aim at everyone ... as usual.

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.1  devangelical  replied to  Hallux @1    3 months ago

trump wants to be a member of the ultimate country club of kings, emperors, and dictators ...

 
 
 
JBB
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2  JBB    3 months ago

original

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.1  Tessylo  replied to  JBB @2    3 months ago

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devangelical
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2.1.1  devangelical  replied to  Tessylo @2.1    3 months ago

poor vlad is just now getting over the effects of injecting all that clorox ...

 
 
 
Krishna
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2.1.2  Krishna  replied to  devangelical @2.1.1    3 months ago

I remember that Clorox story. And at the time there were a few people who actually drank some Clorox! 

(And I’m not sure if this is correct but I seem to remember that because of this the Clorox company started putting messages on the containers warning people not to drink it!)

 
 
 
devangelical
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2.1.3  devangelical  replied to  Krishna @2.1.2    3 months ago

I'm against any efforts to save maga from darwinizing themselves ...

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.1.4  Tessylo  replied to  Tessylo @2.1    2 months ago

It seems like some of the members are too.

 
 
 
Krishna
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2.1.6  Krishna  replied to  devangelical @2.1.3    2 months ago
I'm against any efforts to save maga from darwinizing themselves ...

Do they still give out those awards?

 
 
 
Krishna
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2.1.7  Krishna  replied to  Krishna @2.1.6    2 months ago
Do they still give out those awards?

They are greatly needed-- now more than ever!

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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2.1.8  Trout Giggles  replied to  Krishna @2.1.6    2 months ago

The Darwin Awards? Yes, I think they do

 
 
 
devangelical
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2.1.9  devangelical  replied to  Trout Giggles @2.1.8    2 months ago

... posthumously.

 
 
 
Krishna
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2.1.10  Krishna  replied to  devangelical @2.1.9    2 months ago
... posthumously.

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Trout Giggles
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3  Trout Giggles    3 months ago

He has a lot to say about Biden

 
 
 
devangelical
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3.1  devangelical  replied to  Trout Giggles @3    2 months ago

that putin/trump friendship goes back to the moscow hilton STD outbreak they had several years ago ...

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4  JohnRussell    3 months ago
the GOP standard-bearer may have spoken to Putin as many as seven times since Trump left the White House in 2021.

about what?

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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4.1  Ozzwald  replied to  JohnRussell @4    3 months ago

about what?

Well he was running out of space at Mar-a-Lago with all those boxes he had stacked in the bathroom.  Maybe he was wondering if Vlad could store a few dozen boxes for him.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4.1.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Ozzwald @4.1    3 months ago

Maybe he wants Putin to set up a fancy dacha for him in a Russian resort area.

800

Trai-Tor-Lago  in Sochi

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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4.1.2  Ozzwald  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.1    3 months ago
Maybe he wants Putin to set up a fancy dacha for him in a Russian resort area.

Who knows?  We'll have to wait and see when he loses re-election and has to pick which country to flee to to avoid extradition.  I'd question if Vlad would actually welcome him.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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4.2  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JohnRussell @4    3 months ago
about what?

You know, the regular stuff. Grandkids, recipes and stuff like Bill Clinton and Loretta Lynch did on the tarmac...............

 
 
 
MrFrost
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4.2.1  MrFrost  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @4.2    3 months ago

CDS ridden, sad. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
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4.2.2  Tessylo  replied to  MrFrost @4.2.1    2 months ago

The DSM of Psychiatric Disorders will have an entire manual devoted to the cult of maga and the defenders of the indefensible and not just a few chapters.

 
 
 
Gsquared
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4.3  Gsquared  replied to  JohnRussell @4    3 months ago
about what?

Trump receiving his orders and talking points.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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4.4  Right Down the Center  replied to  JohnRussell @4    3 months ago

May have

As many as

Wow, investigative reporting at its best

 
 
 
Krishna
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4.5  Krishna  replied to  JohnRussell @4    2 months ago
the GOP standard-bearer may have spoken to Putin as many as seven times since Trump left the White House in 2021.
about what?

Well, since Trump is such an expert on the subject-- maybe he was explaining to Putin how he can make Russia "Great Again"?

 
 
 
bugsy
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5  bugsy    3 months ago

Isn't this the same guy that every time Trump does something, good or otherwise, he spouts that that action is worse than Watergate, including numerous times about the Russian intervention hoax....and has never been right about any of them?

Why yes.....yes he is.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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5.1  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  bugsy @5    3 months ago
the Russian intervention hoax

I hear some repeat that over and over apparently hoping to make it true, but anyone with more than half a brain knows that Russia did in fact (and continues to) meddle in our elections. It is not a hoax; it is very real. It seems Putin learned 'the greatest trick' from the Devil but apparently it only works on rightwing conservatives who are desperate to convince everyone else their candidate isn't in the pocket of a murdering authoritarian foreign leader.

"The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was to convince the world he didn't exist."

 
 
 
Hallux
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5.1.1  seeder  Hallux  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @5.1    3 months ago
I hear some repeat that over and over apparently hoping to make it true

They're proselytizing for 'God's' latest chosen one.

 
 
 
bugsy
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5.1.2  bugsy  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @5.1    3 months ago

Let me rephrase the term...

Trump Russian collusion hoax.

 
 
 
MrFrost
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5.1.3  MrFrost  replied to  bugsy @5.1.2    3 months ago

Trump Russian collusion hoax.

Russia, if you're listening... He asked on public national television. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
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5.1.4  Tessylo  replied to  MrFrost @5.1.3    3 months ago

JFC - he's a traitor in every possible way and the cult of the defenders of the indefensible continue

 
 
 
bugsy
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5.1.5  bugsy  replied to  MrFrost @5.1.3    3 months ago

Obviously CNN and MSDNC did not tell you that Hillary's laptop was already in the FBI custody in a closet in DC for several weeks/months when he made that statement.

Do you believe that Russia has the capability to tap into an unplugged laptop in a closet thousands of miles away?

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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5.1.6  Sean Treacy  replied to  bugsy @5.1.5    3 months ago
you believe that Russia has the capability to tap into an unplugged laptop in a closet thousands of miles away?

She's already deleted her emails at that point anyway. They'd been subpoenaed, then she deleted them with Bleach Byte  and by the time Trump spoke at a rally it was all public knowledge and the FBI was "looking" for them. Trump jokingly asked Russia to help the FBI. That's their big scandal. 

 
 
 
JBB
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5.1.7  JBB  replied to  bugsy @5.1.5    3 months ago

Mrs Clinton's personal computer was never compromised. The Democratic National Committee and the Clinton Campaign's computer systems were those hacked by Russia for Trump!

 
 
 
bugsy
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5.1.8  bugsy  replied to  Sean Treacy @5.1.6    3 months ago

Hilarious when they accuse the right of conspiracy theories while showing their own to do it,

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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5.1.9  Greg Jones  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @5.1    3 months ago

What do you mean by "meddle"?

Hack voting machines?  Somehow alter votes?  What?

 
 
 
bugsy
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5.1.10  bugsy  replied to  Greg Jones @5.1.9    3 months ago

Amazing how many on the left use general terms to try and disparage their opponent, but can't clarify or define what those words mean. 

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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5.1.11  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  bugsy @5.1.2    2 months ago
Trump Russian collusion hoax.

The nearly 1,000-page Republican-led Senate intelligence committee report concluded that " the Trump campaign chairman had regular contact with a Russian intelligence officer and says other Trump associates were eager to exploit the Kremlin’s aid , particularly by maximizing the impact of the disclosure of Democratic emails hacked by Russian intelligence officers."

“Taken as a whole, Manafort’s high-level access and willingness to share information with individuals closely affiliated with the Russian intelligence services, particularly Kilimnik, represented a grave counterintelligence threat ,”

"The findings, including unflinching characterizations of furtive interactions between Trump associates and Russian operatives , echo to a large degree those of special counsel Robert Mueller’s Russia investigation and appear to repudiate the Republican president’s claims that the FBI had no basis to investigate whether his campaign was conspiring with Russia."

Senate panel finds Russia interfered in the 2016 U.S. election | PBS News

repudiate: verb - deny the truth or validity of

Far from a "hoax" as so many sniveling servile belly crawling Trump sycophants try to frame it, it was proven that there was a lot of contact and sharing of information with Russian operative from the Trump campaign, the only thing that wasn't found was a direct tie to Trump ordering such contact or any concrete evidence of a quid pro quo signed off on by Trump himself.

Fact: The Trump campaign welcomed Russian election interference and Trump openly called for it "Russia, if you're listening"...

Fact: Russia did listen. The same day Trump asked if they were listening to his request to "locate the missing emails" Russia made their first effort to break into the servers used by Mrs. Clinton’s personal office.

Fact: Trumps campaign manager Paul Manafort did share internal Trump campaign polling data with Kilimnik and there is evidence (found in the Republican-led Senate intelligence committee report) Kilimnik was connected to Russia’s effort to hack and leak Democratic emails.

How anyone can just arbitrarily dismiss all of those facts by claiming it was all just a "hoax" is disingenuous at best but most likely intentionally dishonest. But I suppose that's all we can expect from a supporter of the most prolific liar in the history of American politics.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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5.1.12  Tessylo  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @5.1.11    2 months ago

No, it was because of his mean tweets.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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5.1.13  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Greg Jones @5.1.9    2 months ago
What do you mean by "meddle"?

Hacking private US citizen email servers, releasing unflattering emails from the campaign that Putin doesn't want to win. Flooding social media with fake news stories and conspiracy theories disparaging the candidate they don't want to win. When a violent murdering foreign authoritarian leader who jails or assassinates his political opponents and riggs his own countries elections is trying to get your candidate elected, most rational people with more than half a brain would ask, why? What's in it for him? Not rightwing conservatives.

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Trout Giggles
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5.1.14  Trout Giggles  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @5.1.11    2 months ago

Think that will shut them up?

Nah....

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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5.1.15  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @5.1.11    2 months ago

" Russian officials began to target email addresses associated with Hillary Clinton’s personal and campaign offices “on or around” the same day Donald Trump called on Russia to find emails that were missing from her personal server, according to a new indictment from Special Counsel Robert Mueller."

So they don't know for sure. Maybe it's before, maybe after.

 
 
 
George
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5.1.16  George  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @5.1.15    2 months ago

That's really weird, because when trump said that Hillary's email server was in the FBI evidence room and had been for a year.

 
 
 
JBB
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5.1.17  JBB  replied to  George @5.1.16    2 months ago

No no George! You are way way confused. Former President Clinton's personal server which Mrs Clinton had utilized while serving as Secretary of State (Jan 2009 to Jan 2013) and which never ever hacked or even compromised is a completely different issue and was a different systems from the Democratic National Committee's and Clinton campaign's computer systems which were hacked by Putin's Russia and at Trump's personal request just prior to the 2016 election! FOUR YEARS LATER!

M'kay?

 
 
 
George
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5.1.18  George  replied to  JBB @5.1.17    2 months ago

There is no proof it was never hacked, the FBI said so themselves because the Clintons destroyed many of the devices before the FBI ever got their hands on them. Plus the FBI said themselves that. "The hackers could simply steal the classified information and disappear without a trace."

 
 
 
JBB
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5.1.19  JBB  replied to  George @5.1.18    2 months ago

Different systems. Different time frames. Not related issues!

Again, Clinton's personal server issue is completely unrelated to the Russian 2016 hack of the DNC and Clinton Campaign.

 
 
 
cjcold
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5.1.20  cjcold  replied to  Greg Jones @5.1.9    2 months ago

Incessant propaganda much like what several Russian bots do here on NT.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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6  Right Down the Center    3 months ago

Is he actually saying putin could not find a test in all of Russia and needed to get some from Trump? I sure would like to see some proof of such a lame accusation. 

 
 
 
bugsy
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6.1  bugsy  replied to  Right Down the Center @6    3 months ago

This is Bob Woodward we are talking about.

You know....Mr "everything is worse than Watergate"

 
 
 
Tessylo
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6.1.1  Tessylo  replied to  bugsy @6.1    2 months ago

When the former 'president' traitor convicted felon rapist conman traitor is involved, it is.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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6.2  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Right Down the Center @6    2 months ago
Is he actually saying putin could not find a test in all of Russia and needed to get some from Trump?

It's kind of amazing what the left will try to gaslight you into believing isn't it?

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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7  Right Down the Center    3 months ago

So russia produced 108 million tests in 2020 but putin had to get his from trump.and the media is eating it up and spreading the disinformation. 

P256

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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8  JohnRussell    3 months ago

800

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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8.1  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @8    3 months ago

More fake news.

 
 
 
MrFrost
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8.1.1  MrFrost  replied to  Greg Jones @8.1    2 months ago

Been widely reported. Prove it's fake?

 
 
 
Tacos!
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9  Tacos!    3 months ago

I’m having a hard time understanding why I should be mad that Trump sent Covid tests to Putin.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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9.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Tacos! @9    3 months ago

I dont think thats such a big deal either, but I think him having 7 phone calls with Putin is. 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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9.1.1  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @9.1    3 months ago

Where is the proof of those alleged 7 calls?

 
 
 
Tacos!
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9.1.2  Tacos!  replied to  JohnRussell @9.1    3 months ago

I don’t know about that, either. I’m not a former president myself, but I imagine they have conversations with world leaders all the time. As long he’s not working US foreign policy while he’s doing it, there shouldn’t be any harm.

 
 
 
Krishna
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9.1.3  Krishna  replied to  Tacos! @9.1.2    3 months ago

While those phone calls probably aren’t dangerous in and of themselves (so there’s probably no harm in making those calls) I think maybe its just the idea that Trump has established a close friendship with a sleaze like Putin that people find annoying (?)

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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9.1.4  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Krishna @9.1.3    2 months ago
While those phone calls probably aren’t dangerous in and of themselves...

But the idiocy of the left has to freak out about it regardless.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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9.1.5  Tacos!  replied to  Krishna @9.1.3    2 months ago

Trump idolizes that maniac. Honestly, they’re perfect for each other. He probably calls Putin every night so Putin can soothe him to sleep with a bedtime story about poisoning political rivals, or invading neighboring countries.

 
 
 
devangelical
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9.1.6  devangelical  replied to  Greg Jones @9.1.1    2 months ago
Where is the proof of those alleged 7 calls?

why would that matter to maga?

 
 
 
Igknorantzruls
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9.1.7  Igknorantzruls  replied to  devangelical @9.1.6    2 months ago
Where is the proof of those alleged 7 calls?

they don't accept proof irregardless

 
 
 
Tessylo
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9.1.8  Tessylo  replied to  Tacos! @9.1.5    2 months ago

That's hilarious...lol....sadly

 
 
 
CB
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9.1.9  CB  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @9.1.4    2 months ago

See 10 below.

 
 
 
CB
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9.1.10  CB  replied to  Tacos! @9.1.5    2 months ago

Putin, waging a war against the U.S. through Ukraine is a man on a mission to destroy his nemesis. . . and that is us. He is not 'given' over to Crooked Donald - Not at all. Putin can't afford the simply luxury of a former president being JUST a pal. . . he needs Crooked Donald to be a 'useful idiot.'  And, Donald had national secrets laying around his premises for eyeballs to take in. . . and I am sure Putin, if that information was known to him, send spies to collect whatever they could of that and more! It's reasonable to do so from one leader to the next, all things being equal.

See 10 below. 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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9.1.11  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  CB @9.1.9    2 months ago

And that is supposed to change my comment how?

 
 
 
MrFrost
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9.1.12  MrFrost  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @9.1.4    2 months ago

You know Putin isn't a friend of the USA, right?

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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9.1.13  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  MrFrost @9.1.12    2 months ago

You obviously didn't understand my comment.  

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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9.1.14  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @9.1    2 months ago
I dont think thats such a big deal either, but I think him having 7 phone calls with Putin is.

if they don't violate the Logan Act then it's nothing.  But then again Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton, Barack Obama, and John Kerry all violated it and nothing was said.  

 
 
 
bugsy
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9.1.15  bugsy  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @9.1.14    2 months ago
But then again Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton, Barack Obama, and John Kerry all violated it and nothing was said.  

Because they are Ds

 
 
 
Krishna
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9.2  Krishna  replied to  Tacos! @9    3 months ago

Being mad is optional. I think it’s mainly symbolic because IIRC early on in the epidemic people were terrified—- there was no vaccine yet. And people were lining up to get tested. But at first there was a big shortage of tests..,

Obviously the small  number of tests sent to Putin wouldn’t have any significant effect on the number still available for Americans, but I think it was the idea that with our shortages of tests some were being sent out of the country.

 
 
 
CB
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9.2.1  CB  replied to  Krishna @9.2    2 months ago

It is not problematic that Crooked Donald sent the test to Russian President Putin. What is certainly alarming is the hidden aspect to it which potentially could lead to blackmail (threats to exposure. It is the same for the calls - those are 'paling around' and its wrong, because Putin is not a good man. He is a personification of evil. . . and one more thing. . . if Donald is 'vocalizing' with Russian President Putin. . . the odds are he is 'vocalizing' with North Korea President Kim Jung Un, Chinese President Xi, we know he met with Hungarian President Orban at his Mara Lago home, and Israel's President Netanyahu also. 

This is indicative of a former president/candidate conducting a 'shadow' government, behind the backs of the citizens of this country.

See 10 below.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
9.3  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Tacos! @9    2 months ago
I’m having a hard time understanding why I should be mad that Trump sent Covid tests to Putin.

This may be able to answer your question:  

With Kamala Harris flailing, the left is resorting to Russia Hoax 2.0

 
 
 
CB
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10  CB    2 months ago
Putin, according to the book, told Trump, “I don’t want you to tell anybody because people will get mad at you, not me.”
Four years later, the personal relationship between the two men appears to have persisted, Woodward reports, as Trump campaigns to return to the White House and Putin orchestrates his bloody assault on Ukraine. In early 2024, the former president ordered an aide away from his office at Mar-a-Lago, his private club and residence in Florida, so he could conduct a private phone call with the Russian leader, according to Woodward’s account.

The book does not describe what the two men purportedly discussed, and it quotes a Trump campaign official casting doubt on the supposed contact. But the unnamed Trump aide cited in the book indicated that the GOP standard-bearer may have spoken to Putin as many as seven times since Trump left the White House in 2021.


This is how a blackmail 'instance' is established. A former president has a SECRET between himself and another 'Undesirable' he can't be seen in public being over-agreeable. Also, the SECRETS (e.g. phone calls/test kits) establishes control over the 'mark' as Crooked Donald begins to think he has Putin's CONFIDENCE. He does not! Putin has 'earned' himself a "useful idiot" former president who IS SHARING PERSONAL SECRETS with a RUSSIAN PRESIDENT! 

So where does this go?

As you continue to 'groom' the "idiot" Crooked Donald, as you 'capture' him even bigger SECRETS incrementally; that is, you 'work' the Mark, eventually Russia's intel will know (and verify) everything shared, prove it valid, and then at the appropriate moment threaten the 'Mark' - Crooked Donald to give more useful information. . . even national secrets or threaten to EXPOSE him.

As General James "Spider" Mark said communicating 'intimately' and personal with Putin, a Russian leader and former lead in the KGB, is fraught with danger because state SECRETS will leak into instances of sharing without and against the advice of anybody around to say: "Don't."  and "STOP!"

Now we can see why Putin can never be a PROPER friend to Crooked Donald. Unless they are on the same footing—both CROOKED. 

Crooked Donald can never be allowed to hold a state SECRET in his effed up hands against. Our military secrets. . . are at risk to a USEFUL IDIOT named Crooked Donald Trump (already).

What Crooked Donald knows we can not take back.  What Crooked Donald shares with Russia can not be called back. All we can do is prevent 'new' data information being shared in a new administration. Letting new SECRETS of our government fall into a Russian President's clutches would be a national security risk. That risk being caused by a sitting president: DISASTEROUS for this country!

Crooked Donald Trump is bad, unprofessional, and unfit to be elected the new leader of the United States. 

 
 
 
Igknorantzruls
Sophomore Quiet
10.1  Igknorantzruls  replied to  CB @10    2 months ago
Crooked Donald can never be allowed to hold a state SECRET in his effed up hands against.

should have never been allowed the first damn time, but, when we allow ignorance to rule,

us becomes the fool

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
11  CB    2 months ago

We, this nation, our world, must do our best to not get 'fooled' again by Crooked Donald!

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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11.1  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  CB @11    2 months ago
We, this nation, our world, must do our best to not get 'fooled' again by Crooked Donald !

We'll be fighting in the streets

With our children at our feet
And the morals that they worship will be gone
And the men who spurred us on
Sit in judgement of all wrong
They decide and the shotgun sings the song
I'll tip my hat to the new Constitution
Take a bow for the new revolution
Smile and grin at the change all around
Pick up my guitar and play
Just like yesterday
Then I'll get on my knees and pray
We don't get fooled again
 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
11.1.1  CB  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @11.1    2 months ago

Actually, I was thinking the same song as I wrote this. And some how I 'knew' someone would catch the phrase from the song. :)  "Story of my life. . ." (on NT) told through lyrics. " 

 
 
 
Krishna
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11.1.2  Krishna  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @11.1    2 months ago
The Who - Won't Get Fooled Again

Nice! jrSmiley_2_smiley_image.png

(IMO occasionally its nice to occasionally insert a cool video into a serious political discussion.)

I've always liked reels from #Sina:

WE WON'T GET FOOLED AGAIN - THE WHO

(OK-- we now return you to your local station . . .  )    jrSmiley_4_smiley_image.png

 
 
 
CB
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11.1.3  CB  replied to  Krishna @11.1.2    2 months ago

Wow. First time seeing that. First time seeing a young girl playing a classic drum score (not from an original 'girl' band song). So many questions come to mind (but I won't ask them).

 
 
 
devangelical
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12  devangelical    2 months ago

no comrade vlad, you don't pee on those ...

 
 

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