Harris echoes debunked claim about Georgia abortion limits causing woman's death despite pushback from doctors
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Two Georgia doctors, one a congressman and the other a state legislator, weigh in on the tragic case of Amber Nicole Thurman and media claims that state laws regulating abortion led to her death.
Vice President Kamala Harris repeated the left's claim Sunday that a woman in Georgia died due to delayed care as a result of the state's abortion limits, despite doctors previously denouncing the narrative as false.
During an interview on the raunchy and often-sexually explicit "Call Her Daddy" podcast, host Alex Cooper asked Harris about the impact of the overturning of Roe v. Wade, blaming the death of Amber Nicole Thurman on the Supreme Court ruling and the state's abortion limits after she received a chemically induced abortion in 2022.
"So, Amber was a young mother of a six-year-old son. She was a medical assistant who was so excited because she was just getting on her feet to be independent. She got her own apartment in a gated community with a pool that her son could play in. She got accepted to nursing school," Harris told listeners.
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"She was, as described by her family, so excited and so ambitious, and she had plans. Then she found out she was pregnant, and she didn't want to go through with her pregnancy. And she was living in Georgia, and she couldn't receive care there because she was past six weeks. And so she ended up going to another state, and…she couldn't get there on time. And because the other state had been so overwhelmed by all these women coming from all these southern states who couldn't get treatment in their own state, her window for her appointment had closed and instead of having a surgical procedure, she had medication and basically went back home and then had some complications and went to the hospital because she was bleeding."
"And they delayed 20 hours before they treated her," Harris continued, suggesting that Georgia's laws prevented her from receiving lifesaving care.
Her remark comes after ProPublica published an article last month blaming the deaths of two Georgia women, Thurman and Candi Miller, on the overturning of Roe v. Wade and the state's new abortion limits.
Harris and other members of the Democratic Party, including her running mate Tim Walz, have cited their deaths as evidence for the need to expand abortion access after the Supreme Court's 2022 ruling on Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Organization.
"Here's the thing that's so messed up about this," Harris told Cooper. "Some of these people will say whoa, but I do believe in exceptions, I believe that there should be an exception in terms of the life of the mother. You know what that means in practical terms? She's almost dead before you decide to give her care. What, so we're going to have public health policy that says a doctor, a medical professional, waits until you're at death's door before they gives you care. That's outrageous…where is the humanity?"
Georgia's heartbeat law states that "no abortion shall be performed if the unborn child has a detectable human heartbeat except in the event of a medical emergency or medically futile pregnancy."
OB-GYNs have criticized the Amber Thurman narrative as a misleading story that is being pushed by the media and Democrats.
Charlotte Lozier Institute Vice President and Director of Medical Affairs Dr. Ingrid Skop called out the "fearmongering" and "lies" of the media that are hurting women who don't understand new abortion laws.
"I was not surprised to see this pro-abortion media try to point the blame at Georgia's pro-life laws, but, in fact, Georgia's laws allow doctors to intervene to save the life of the woman," Skop recently told Fox News Digital.
"I think the focus of the Democratic Party upon abortion as an issue is only because the American people do not understand the laws. Many times, women are hurt by abortions. It is not necessary for women to live their best life. And, of course, it's the fearmongering and lies that have led us to this place where we are today, where people even think there would be a reason to point at the law."
U.S. Rep. Rich McCormick, R-Ga., and state Rep. Mark Newton have also come out to say they don't believe Georgia laws had anything to do with Thurman's death, alleging it was caused by complications from abortion pills because doctors may have waited too long to intercede.
"We never deny a woman an abortion because it's going to harm her in some way. She will always be protected," McCormick said in a recent interview with Fox News Digital.
"You have every right to an abortion, even with that heartbeat law," he continued. "So, let's make that very clear right now. When they say there's no exceptions, there's never any law in any state where there's no exceptions. That doesn't exist. That's simply not the way it works. The mother's life is always protected. With that said, it doesn't mean it's easy to get an abortion just because you have a complication or because something goes wrong."
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Dr. Christina Francis, CEO of the American Association of Pro-Life Obstetricians and Gynecologists (AAPLOG), made similar comments on "Fox & Friends" last month.
"We are seeing the direct results of spreading lies and misinformation about these laws. Women are being harmed by that because they are delaying in seeking care. And so I think it's really important, no matter where somebody stands on the issue of abortion, we should all want women to have accurate information so that they seek care immediately if they're experiencing complications from things like these high-risk abortion drugs," Francis said.
ProPublica previously defended their story in a statement to Fox News Digital, saying, "We stand by our reporting. The state's committee of more than 30 experts concluded that the deaths of Amber Thurman and Candi Miller were preventable, a newsworthy finding. Our ongoing reporting is illuminating the challenges doctors face in caring for patients with pregnancy complications in states with restricted access to abortion."
The Harris campaign did not respond to Fox News Digital's request for comment.
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U.S. Rep. Rich McCormick, R-Ga., and state Rep. Mark Newton have also come out to say they don't believe Georgia laws had anything to do with Thurman's death, alleging it was caused by complications from abortion pills because doctors may have waited too long to intercede.
"We never deny a woman an abortion because it's going to harm her in some way. She will always be protected," McCormick said in a recent interview with Fox News Digital.
"You have every right to an abortion, even with that heartbeat law," he continued. "So, let's make that very clear right now. When they say there's no exceptions, there's never any law in any state where there's no exceptions. That doesn't exist. That's simply not the way it works. The mother's life is always protected. With that said, it doesn't mean it's easy to get an abortion just because you have a complication or because something goes wrong."
Another bold face lie by Harris and Walz.
Nope. Just a couple of Republican lawmakers who WEREN'T THERE and have ZERO fucking evidence of what actually occurred are claiming that it that's not the way the law was supposed to work. The fact is, as the article above notes, "The state's committee of more than 30 experts concluded that the deaths of Amber Thurman and Candi Miller were preventable".
Conservatives are trying to blame the abortion pill because this woman had complications after taking it and the FACT is that the hospital DID delay care because of their perception of the Georgia law whether the law says they could have helped or not. Because of the uncertainty in the law, they delayed care, and no amount of Republican law makers claiming that's not the way the law was supposed to work is going to change that. Harris was right, and conservative Republicans are wrong, again.
The family says the law has nothing to do with it.
"The state's committee of more than 30 experts concluded that the deaths of Amber Thurman and Candi Miller were preventable".
So what? All that means is they believe the doctors were negligent in treating her. That's it. Hundreds of thousands of people die due to medical negligence each year.
re trying to blame the abortion pill because this woman had complications after taking it
It did kill her.
e hospital DID delay care because of their perception of the Georgia law whether the law says they could have helped or not.
You are making that up.
Nope, repeating what has been said since her death was announced.
Thurman’s family said doctors kept them in the dark about her condition as they waited at the hospital. Her mother, Shanette Williams, said she would have sought medical care elsewhere if she had known doctors were waiting to perform a D&C.
“We would have done anything had we known, but we didn’t,” Williams said. “We didn't have the opportunity to know.
Lawsuit: Doctors to blame for Amber Thurman's death (ny1.com)
We shall see what defense the doctors take during the lawsuit, for now they are staying silent no doubt on advice from council. The fact remains, they delayed care for some reason, and many believe that delay was likely due to the uncertainty of the new anti-abortion law.
Great. Then it should be easy to show where the Committee said the doctors didn't perform the D&C because they didn't understand the law.
Why don't you show us?
Again, they are claiming negligence, which happens hundreds of thousands of times a year in hospitals.
Their own attorney said the law had nothing to do with it.
There is zero evidence , the hopes and wishes of Abortion supporters doesn't count as actual evidence, that the doctors didn't perform the D&C because they were confused about the law. Harris, and whoever else says different, is lying.
The abortion lobby needs a death they can capitalize on for political purposes. This case, with a made up reason for a patient's death a week after her legal abortion, was the best they could do.
From the same article. Why was there a 20 hour delay?
The McClatchy Report once stood by their reporting too, against all the facts to the contrary, when they claimed than Micheal Cohen was in Prague.
We had a member here once who stood by the story long after it was debunked.
We have that happen a lot here.
Are you telling us you will go on the record right now standing by ProPublica?
Who knows? Certainly not pro-publica as they admit in their article.
Are you speaking as the champion of that particular foible?
No I will split that baby in half like Solomon. The doctors will probably be sued for malpractice and settle with the
families as the lesser of two evils and keep their licenses and livelihoods intact while using "seeking legal
advise" as the reason for the delays. Thurman and Miller are just two more victims of a callous system which
sees 251,000 deaths a year from malpractice.
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Is this quack Klop one of the 'doctors' whose expertise you are referring to?
Of course their laws/limits/restrictions had EVERYTHING to do with it.
She lied.
No
Doctors were too afraid to treat her when she needed to be treated. Why? Because of the extremely restrictive abortion laws.
2 republican politicians don't "believe" their forced birth law had anything to do with it.
Maybe the sleazy types who listen to Call her daddy will buy it.
Not according to the article...................
This person was a featured speaker at Trump's Republican Convention
So what?
The country had 4 great years with Trump. Then the left took over and it was so horrendous that Biden had to step aside because he was going to lose in a landslide.
Do you really think our readers are stupid?
Does Harris openly support abortion for any reason until birth now, or does she support "forced birth" laws too ?
Quite a change for Democrats to get so extreme they now oppose any restrictions on aborting fully developed, viable fetuses.
2 republican politicians don't "believe" their forced birth law had anything to do with it.
nor does her family. How could they? She had an abortion. Her twins were successfully killed and she got sick well after. After the baby is killed, abortion laws can, by definition, not apply.
If they think that harris voters are sleazy and trump voters are not they are.
every time your comments look foolish you fall back on the same line.
They're fucking morons.
Freaks. Trash.
Here's the "journalist" Harris gave an interview to:
But Trump. Shocking
A D&C after an abortion apparently falls in a grey area for the doctors and nurses in her area.
The law defines an abortion as causing the death of an unborn child. There is no gray area, since the D&C was to evacuate the remnants of already dead ones.
Nobody is buying the spin John.
What spin? Trump had a porn star speak at his convention.
Should I post something more explicit to convince you?
Do porn stars not have freedom of speech?
Post something that disproves Harris was the deciding vote in the inflation reduction act (AKA the inflationary Green New Deal).
Post something that disproves Harris was the deciding vote in many radical appointments.
Post something that disproves Harris wasn't part of an administration that opened the southern border.
Post something that disproves Harris wasn't part of an effort to get violent protestors out of jail.
I dont care who Trump has speak for him. Vic was trying to get down on Harris because she went on a podcast that sometimes has adult themes. When I called him on it he starts changing the topic. Same old thing.
Cmon Vic, dontcha know ole Kamala is brand new on the scene and she has not had ample time to introduce herself to the American people.
There is no way she could have been a part of what you posted s/
Obviously, you care about anything other than the issues.
Vic was trying to get down on Harris because she went on a podcast that sometimes has adult themes.
I'm getting down on Harris because she is an empty pantsuit.
the topic
The topic was Harris lying about a woman dying because she wasn't allowed to abort.
She was never supposed to be doing a media tour. Her campaign changed strategy because they are starting to believe that they are losing.
The comment I responded to was this
You can either stop or we can keep talking about Amber Rose.
Her handlers first reaction when they realized they had to let her out in public was
Aw, shit......
what percentage of Trumps mind is gone ?
a) 50%
b) 80%
c) all of it
That is apparently a lot of men & women, CHD is second in size only to Joe Rogan's podcast audience.
That comment is not the topic. It is a sleezy show. You don't think so, that's fine. I think most would rate it as sleezy.
we can keep talking about Amber Rose.
You brought that up and it is off topic.
That's fine. I think most would agree with me. I'll bet most people haven't even heard of either show. You & JR want to make my characterization of it as the topic?
It is kind of a deflection.
I do have a question for a democrat. Why Is the Harris campaign suddenly putting Kamala on Q&A shows?
So you went off topic on your own article.
You forgot Trump had a porn star speak for him at his nominating convention. Its not the end of the world.
No, you did. What about Kamala lying? That was the topic.
No answer?
You commented on it and as the seeder made it the topic.
That horse has already left the barn.
Find a Democrat to answer it then
That usually what happens when the seeder answers a question instead of declaring it off topic immediately.
You want to get your shots in then declare it off topic? That's not "fair".
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It's a matter of opinion which should be obvious.
Anti Abortion law played a part in this womans path through her healthcare and she had a bad outcome.
I don't think anyone can argue with that or use that as a basis to call someone a liar.
You yourself repeat baseless untruths on a weekly basis because you believe them to be true.
Why can't Kamala?
oh yeah, ... especially 2020.
'so overwhelmed by all these women coming from all these southern states who couldn't get treatment in their own state'
gee, maybe the bought and paid for 6 directed by the former 'president' convicted felon rapist shouldn't have outlawed abortion or restricted it so severely in those states that they had to go elsewhere and die because of it
She didn't lie. The woman was not allowed to.
SCotUS has nothing to do with what states do. They didn't outlaw anything nor restrict it. The states did that to themselves.
scrotus Has everything to do with this woman's death - thanks to the former 'president' rapist as well.
Nope..........
Yup.
Disinformation
See, we'd all agree with you but then we would be as wrong as you are.
I think your first statement is proof enough that many are.
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JR. brought it up in response to your early statement 2.2.1
Sorry
The article also describes people that are pro-choice as pro-abortion, so maybe they have their own bias. Had she not been forced to go out of state, this might have not been the outcome.
SCOTUS had EVERYTHING to do wtih the fallout in the states. They knew that the outcome would be left to each state's legeslator and governors and they would make the decisions for everyone within those states. Hence we have conservative legislators taking these extreme measures on pregnancies and therefore on women. Not only that, in states where there has been a vote in favor of choice, the states are trying to suppress the people with legal tactics.
So they didn't have to do restrict anything. They knew that by ending Roe (which for the record, when the newbies were interviewed said that they wouldn't reverse, since it was the law of the land), that this would be the probability, because as you so nicely put it:
"SCOTUS had EVERYTHING to do wtih the fallout in the states."
Thank you for agreeing with the truth of comment 2.2.39.
and with this being kicked back to each individual state - which the former 'president' traitor rapist also said that 'everyone agreed with'- which is thanks to him and scrotus - the bought and paid for ones......
And if the dog didn't stop to take a shit, he MAY have caught the rabbit.
She had an abortion, what law are you talking about?
No she didn't have an abortion.
What the fuck are you talking about?
Amber Nicole Thurman (September 16, 1993 – August 19, 2022) was a 28-year-old medical assistant who died of septic shock and retained products of conception following delays in her medical care after her abortion.
Death of Amber Thurman - Wikipedia
Wrong again
I guess you missed the part in the 2nd paragraph where it states:
Maybe you should get informed before commenting.
Maybe you should.
The family itself says the law had nothing to do with her death. How could they? She got the abortion she wanted.
Harris echoes debunked claim about Georgia abortion limits
Three words..
They
Don't
Care
Charlotte Lozier Institute Vice President and Director of Medical Affairs Dr. Ingrid Skop called out the "fearmongering" and "lies" of the media that are hurting women who don't understand new abortion laws.
And just why should one believe anything coming from Dr, Skop?
Quack is too kind a word for spreaders of lies like this 'doctor'.
Can any democrat answer why the Harris campaign has put her out for interviews???
The idea was to sprint to Nov 5th without much exposure.
What changed?
She's doing just fine despite all the 'exposure'.
She was asked on the View what would she have done different from what Biden did.
She said she wouldn't have done anything differently.
That should go right into a Trump campaign ad.
Do you really think she's going to disrespect the sitting President in the next 4 months
in any way? She is still the VP first and foremost.
Yeah, and?
The country is still waiting for her to act like one.
The unreasonable part of the country? Not mine.
The VP has but one job. Like Teddy Roosevelt, sit and wait until something happens to the President.
Nothing else. At the end of the day only the President is responsible for his or her Administration's record.
So when is she going to do it?
Unless the POTUS tells you to take care of the border. Which Biden did and she didn't. So, when is she going to start doing her job?
It is still Bidens responsibility.
Btw, along with those two record years of encounters are two record years of Title 42 refusal of entry, and two record years of deportations and returns to Mexico.
Now the flow of travelling migrants has slowed to a trickle all by itself.
Like the paths and behaviors of hurricanes blaming some of this shyte on our leaders is just a sign of mass immaturity.
Make it at least 2 jobs.
She has been the border czar for three years and failed miserably at that, too.
trump's world leader version of pathetic cowardice. he's afraid of a second debate with a black woman and he's afraid of being fact checked by 60 minutes. the heritage foundation and the federalists know all they have to do is get that empty suit and skull over the finish line and it won't matter what happens to him afterwards. they know trump hurts their cause whenever his jaw operates and it's best if he'll stfu.
remember when trump/maga were complaining that harris was too afraid and too stupid to make media appearances? so long ago. she's going to where the other intelligent voters are, those that want to be informed from their preferred sources, outside of what was once considered the norm. the flow of invention, acceptance, and adaptation to the new, modern, and progressive, you know, being american ...
no need for the harris to waste precious campaign time in media spaces where she will never find votes. counterproductive.
Awesome
And once they see her "performances", it may just backfire on her.
Nope. She's doing just fine......despite all the lies and hate from the maga cult..
I see a likeable, normal person with many years of government service, still not comfortable with all of the attention paired with a seasoned legislator and governor.
vs
An attention seeking, power seeking angry old man who seems bent on retribution and who's lies get whackier by the day paired with a slick empty suit junior Senator who seems to have had a new job every two years, none of them very successful, who was a rather vile Never Trumper, until he wasn't.
I can easily imagine a President Walz at some point if necessary.
What I fear Is a President Trump or worse, a President Vance
Hate to break it to you, the President of the United States is not a learn on the job position.
Oh yeah......Call her Daddy Howard Stern, The View, you may want to rethink that comment!
then how did the former 'president' traitor manage to get it? he knew nothing, learned nothing, and no one could tell him anything other than what he wanted to hear or they were gone
Of course it is. One of the candidates had zero governmental experience in 2016 and his 4-year tenure was highlighted by an excessive amount of Team A, Team B and Cabinet turnover, years of tradition, protocol and even long standing treaties broken because he had no experience and didn't care.
His current VP candidate elected Senator is one his 5th job in 10 years and as a Senator has zero accomplishments other than flipping from a Never Trumper in 2020 to an ass kisser in 2023.
A total of not even six years governmental Service
Walz has that much as a governor, ten more years as a US House Rep
Harris, a lawyer, spent 27 years in law enforcement, as a DA, an AG, A state AG, then 4 years as the Senator from California before becoming the VP of the US with a front row seat to the Presidency.
A total of 53 or 54 years of experience in different government capacities, not including Walz military years.
Read the memoirs of Bush and Obama, even in their second four years, they were still leaning on the job.
Silly goose.
'empty suit and empty skull'
so apt