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Schumer torpedoed by Manchin and Sinema on crucial NLRB vote

  

Category:  News & Politics

Via:  robert-in-ohio  •  one week ago  •  32 comments

By:    Hans Nichols

Schumer torpedoed by Manchin and Sinema on crucial NLRB vote
"Her confirmation would give a lame-duck president control of an independent board well into his successor's term," McConnell added.

Sen Schumer tried to sneak on in at the last minute but failed to deliver.

Looks like the NLRB will have a Trump appointee and a Republican majority beginning in 2025


S E E D E D   C O N T E N T


S enate Republicans defeated a last-minute effort by outgoing Majority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y) to ensure a Democratic majority on the   National Labor Relations Board   for the first two years of Trump's presidency.

Why it matters:   It was a dramatic and consequential defeat for Schumer and the labor movement.

  • Schumer gambled that he had the votes without knowing how Sens. Kyrsten Sinema (I-Ariz.) and Joe Manchin (I-W.Va.) would vote on the nomination for Lauren McFerran.
  • Both voted "No" on a crucial procedural vote that would clear the way for confirmation.
  • Republicans had nearly perfect attendance on the roll call, with only Sen. Roger Marshall (R-Kansas), who has   strong union ties , not voting.

Driving the news:   Democrats thought they could install McFerran, the current chair, for another five-year term.

  • That would ensure Democrats had a 3-2 majority on the board, which helps referee disputes between employers of workers across the economy, from   Amazon   to   Starbucks .

Zoom in:   Schumer was under pressure from progressives to use valuable floor time to force a vote. But he never received firm assurances from either Manchin or Sinema how they would ultimately vote.

  • Sinema was the first of the two to vote "no."
  • The vote was tied at 49-49, with Schumer keeping it open for Vice President Harris to potentially break the tie.
  • Manchin arrived after the vote had been open for more than 90 minutes, and voted "No."

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Robert in Ohio
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1  seeder  Robert in Ohio    one week ago

I have wondered when this would come to a vote and was a little surprised that it was voted down

Lame duck appointments have always seemed a little less than "the right way to do things" but are obviously allowed by law and procedure

 
 
 
evilone
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1.1  evilone  replied to  Robert in Ohio @1    one week ago
I ... was a little surprised that it was voted down

I was more surprised Schumer didn't have it locked before the vote was held. He should have had Harris there waiting. 

 
 
 
goose is back
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1.1.1  goose is back  replied to  evilone @1.1    one week ago
He should have had Harris there waiting. 

He should have had Sinema and Manchin.

 
 
 
evilone
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1.1.2  evilone  replied to  goose is back @1.1.1    one week ago
He should have had Sinema and Manchin.

A longer row to hoe, but I don't disagree.

 
 
 
Igknorantzruls
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1.1.3  Igknorantzruls  replied to  evilone @1.1.2    one week ago
longer row to hoe,

isn;'t she now the Greece Ambassador ..?

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
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1.1.4  seeder  Robert in Ohio  replied to  evilone @1.1    one week ago

Harris would not have been enough to pass the confirmation, at best her vote tied it and it still does not pass

 
 
 
evilone
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1.1.5  evilone  replied to  Robert in Ohio @1.1.4    one week ago

Harris would not have been enough to pass the confirmation, at best her vote tied it and it still does not pass.

This is what I'm talking about - 

  • The vote was tied at 49-49, with Schumer keeping it open for Vice President Harris to potentially break the tie.
  • Manchin arrived after the vote had been open for more than 90 minutes, and voted "No."

If he had Harris waiting there he could have gotten her tie breaking vote before Manchin arrived and shut down the voting. Instead they just fucked around and found out...

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
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1.1.6  seeder  Robert in Ohio  replied to  evilone @1.1.5    one week ago

So you think the "right" thing to do would be to deny an elected U.S. Senator his right to vote on an issue because he disagrees with what you want the vote to be?

And the missing Senator was a Republican, if the Republicans hadn't ben sure of Sinema and Manchin he would have been in the chamber to vote

 
 
 
evilone
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1.1.7  evilone  replied to  Robert in Ohio @1.1.6    one week ago
So you think the "right" thing to do would be to deny an elected U.S. Senator his right to vote on an issue because he disagrees with what you want the vote to be?

What "I" think about it has nothing to do with my post. "I" think we shouldn't have to worry about the incoming admin screwing over workers. "I" think Manchin shouldn't have been 90 minutes late. Politics is what it is, there is little 'right' about it. 

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
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1.1.8  seeder  Robert in Ohio  replied to  evilone @1.1.7    one week ago

"I" think Manchin shouldn't have been 90 minutes late. Politics is what it is, there is little 'right' about it. 

Since the voting process was still open, he was not late

And I agree there is little right about appointments or confirmations of high level position in the lame duck period regardless of which party is committing the act

 
 
 
evilone
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1.1.9  evilone  replied to  Robert in Ohio @1.1.8    one week ago
Since the voting process was still open...

Which was my point - Schumer fucked himself by keeping it open until Manchin could kill it. 

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
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2  seeder  Robert in Ohio    one week ago

Many people are expecting big changes at the NLRB early in the Trump administration

Major changes to the NLRB were also made in the early days of the Biden administration so this is nothing new

For the third time in eight years, both the National Labor Relations Board’s (“NLRB”) prosecutorial and adjudicative arms face a pending partisan overhaul after President-elect Trump’s inauguration on January 20, 2025.

While we anticipate that President-elect Trump will immediately terminate the current General Counsel (and Deputy General Counsel)—just as President Biden did on his first day in office (previously covered  here  and  here )—exactly when the majority of the Board will flip from Democrat to Republican is far less certain.

NLRB Changes Expected Under President-Elect Trump in 2025

 
 
 
evilone
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2.1  evilone  replied to  Robert in Ohio @2    one week ago
Many people are expecting big changes at the NLRB early in the Trump administration

Yeah, a total screw over of workers in favor for the Trump donor oligarchy. 

 
 
 
Thomas
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2.1.1  Thomas  replied to  evilone @2.1    one week ago

Protestations to the contrary aside, I do not think that Trump is any friend of labor, be it organized or not.

 
 
 
Igknorantzruls
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2.2  Igknorantzruls  replied to  Robert in Ohio @2    one week ago

i wonder if Sean Spicey Spice will be at the innawegeration to confirm the massive largest crowd sizes EVER recorded

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
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2.2.1  seeder  Robert in Ohio  replied to  Igknorantzruls @2.2    one week ago
"innawegeration"

I Like that

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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3  Ed-NavDoc    one week ago

Just one word on this. GOOD!

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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4  Sean Treacy    one week ago

Got a couple weeks of these shenanigans to survive.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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5  Bob Nelson    one week ago

Sinema, Manchin.

Yup.

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
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5.1  seeder  Robert in Ohio  replied to  Bob Nelson @5    one week ago

I figured Manchin would be against lame duck appointments and confirmations but wasn't sure about Sinema

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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5.1.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  Robert in Ohio @5.1    one week ago

Manchin is pro-coal so I figured he would be against a Democratic NLRB

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
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5.1.2  seeder  Robert in Ohio  replied to  Trout Giggles @5.1.1    one week ago

So he is pro United Mine Workers - doesn't that make him pro-labor?

just wondering?

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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5.1.3  Trout Giggles  replied to  Robert in Ohio @5.1.2    one week ago

Sorry I didn't make myself clear. He's pro-coal but not pro-union. I could be wrong but I thought he was a mine owner at one time

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
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5.1.4  seeder  Robert in Ohio  replied to  Trout Giggles @5.1.3    one week ago

He is indeed pro union, what you meant to say is that he is not "pro new green deal"

He and the president have endorsed legislation in the past to support and aid the UAW (somewhere around 30,000 members I think)

If we are going to label the Senator we should at least be accurate

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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5.1.5  Trout Giggles  replied to  Robert in Ohio @5.1.4    one week ago

My apologies. I didn't think he was pro-union since he was a mine operator at one time

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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5.1.6  Bob Nelson  replied to  Robert in Ohio @5.1    one week ago

Farting as they leave the room.

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
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5.1.7  seeder  Robert in Ohio  replied to  Bob Nelson @5.1.6    one week ago

Farting as they leave the room.

I am sure that has some deep, intellectual meaning in the context of this issue - [perhaps you would like to elaborate?

Or was it just a meaningless interjection

Either way thanks for "participating" in the discussion

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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6  Jeremy Retired in NC    one week ago
Manchin arrived after the vote had been open for more than 90 minutes, and voted "No."

That is a hilarious "Fuck You" to Chucky.  

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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6.1  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @6    one week ago

Manchin and Sinema are the two that really have a clue.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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6.1.1  Right Down the Center  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @6.1    one week ago

And the dems rewarded them by bouncing them out.

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
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6.1.2  seeder  Robert in Ohio  replied to  Right Down the Center @6.1.1    one week ago

Manchin and Sinema both decided to not run 2024 - that is hardly being bounced out

Sinema faced a rough road, but Manchin could have been easily reelected had he chosen to remain in the Senate

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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6.1.3  Right Down the Center  replied to  Robert in Ohio @6.1.2    one week ago

Manchin became an independent.  He had been at odds with the dem machine for awhile

 
 

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