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Federal judge hands Musk’s DOGE a win on data access at 3 agencies

  

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Via:  vic-eldred  •  one week ago  •  12 comments

Federal judge hands Musk’s DOGE a win on data access at 3 agencies

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Elon Musk's Department of Government Efficiency can continue to access sensitive records from at least three federal agencies after a federal judge in Washington denied a request to block Musk's budget-slashing team from the Department of Labor, Department of Health and Human Services and the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau.

U.S. District Judge John Bates, in a late-night ruling, denied a request made by a group of unions and nonprofits to issue a temporary order blocking DOGE from the sensitive records maintained by the three agencies.

Elon Musk has repeatedly targeted Bates over the last week on X – including calling for the judge's impeachment – after Bates issued a decision in another case  ordering multiple agencies to restore public health data  after the Trump administration suddenly removed it.

"There needs to be an immediate wave of judicial impeachments, not just one," Musk wrote on Wednesday in response to a post about the judge.

The tech billionaire celebrated Friday's ruling  in a post on X .

The judge's decision came down to the question of whether DOGE has the authority to "detail" its people to individual parts of the federal government where – as employees of that department or agency – the individuals associated with DOGE could legally access the sensitive records. To have that authority, DOGE would have to be considered an "agency" in the eyes of the law, Bates wrote.

Lawyers for the plaintiffs argued that DOGE is not an agency -- because it was  created via an executive order  -- and therefore is not entitled to detail its employees to parts of the federal government.

Curiously, lawyers for DOGE have attempted to avoid the "agency" label during court hearings despite its "strong claim" to agency status, Bates wrote.

"This appears to come from a desire to escape the obligations that accompany agencyhood" -- such as being subject to the Freedom of Information Act, the Privacy Act and the Administrative Procedures Act -- "while reaping only its benefits," the judge wrote.

Ultimately, the disagreed with DOGE's own interpretation of its status -- determining it likely is an "agency" -- and delivering it a surprise win by determining that DOGE has the authority to continue to access to sensitive records.

"For the reasons explained above, on the record as it currently stands and with limited briefing on the issue, the case law defining agencies indicates that plaintiffs have not shown a substantial likelihood that [DOGE] is not an agency. If that is so, [DOGE] may detail its employees to other agencies consistent with the Economy Act," he wrote.


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Vic Eldred
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1  seeder  Vic Eldred    one week ago

A very unusual ruling.

This judge believes a President can set up a volunteer agency and that agency is valid.

I guess we'll take it.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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2  Sean Treacy    one week ago

Trump did not create or set up the structure of DOGE within the Bureaucracy. Obama did. DOGE is simply a rename for the Obama created and congress funded united states digital service. Obama set it up as an IT oversight body with access to all federal systems.   All trump did was slightly change its mission. 

 
 
 
bugsy
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2.1  bugsy  replied to  Sean Treacy @2    one week ago

I'll wait for the left to call Obama an authoritarian, creating a Constitutional crisis and trying to start a coup. s/

Who am I kidding. They will say Obama's program was the best thing since sliced bread.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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2.1.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  bugsy @2.1    one week ago

Obama’s program was, of course, perfect. When trump renamed it, it immediately became worse than anything Hitler did.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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3  Sparty On    one week ago

U.S. District Judge John Bates, in a late-night ruling, denied a request made by a group of unions and nonprofits to issue a temporary order blocking DOGE from the sensitive records maintained by the three agencies.

Gee, I wonder what they don’t want the people to find.

Grift?     Waste?     Outright theft?

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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3.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  Sparty On @3    one week ago

Can’t have the lowly peasants knowing what the government is doing. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
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3.1.1  Sparty On  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.1    one week ago

Yep, gotta keep the unwashed masses in the dark.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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4  Right Down the Center    one week ago
"This appears to come from a desire to escape the obligations that accompany agencyhood" -- such as being subject to the Freedom of Information Act, the Privacy Act and the Administrative Procedures Act -- "while reaping only its benefits," the judge wrote. Ultimately, the disagreed with DOGE's own interpretation of its status -- determining it likely is an "agency" -- and delivering it a surprise win by determining that DOGE has the authority to continue to access to sensitive records.

Not pretending to understand it totally but on the face of it I am not crazy about it.

1. It almost seems like they are trying to be the wild west without any rules or transparency through the freedom of information act.

2. I have an issue with anyone having access to sensitive records without any background checks at all.

While I think what they are doing is admirable I am not thinking I want them to go off half assed like it seems they are.

 
 
 
Snuffy
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4.1  Snuffy  replied to  Right Down the Center @4    one week ago

Really have to agree with you. I don't believe anybody can honestly say there's no waste or fraud in the federal government but like you I have some issues with how it's being done.

1. It almost seems like they are trying to be the wild west without any rules or transparency through the freedom of information act.

Add to this that DOGE is covered under the Presidential Records act which means the records are sealed for five years after Trump leaves office. 

2. I have an issue with anyone having access to sensitive records without any background checks at all.

Me too, I voiced my concern when this first began as Musk having access to contracts and numbers paid to his competitors while his companies continue to have government contracts of their own. Seems to be a conflict of interest to me.

 
 
 
bugsy
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5  bugsy    one week ago

I'm not the craziest about it either, but if it is not done now, when?

We all know damn well that if this were a democratic admin, we would just keep getting deeper and deeper into debt. If anything, Trump can reduce the deficit for the annual budget and reduce some of the debt we have incurred.

What the left is bitching about is not that they are finding waste and abuse, it is that they are looking for it at all.  Their little money laundering schemes are being found out and hopefully stopped for good. 

Any fraud and abuse uncovered and those responsible actually held responsible will be a plus for America. Just holding people accountable is the first step. 

 
 
 
Snuffy
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5.1  Snuffy  replied to  bugsy @5    one week ago
If anything, Trump can reduce the deficit for the annual budget and reduce some of the debt we have incurred.

Except just reducing the deficit does nothing to reduce the debt. Any deficit amount has to be borrowed to be paid for, it's like using credit card A to pay off credit card B. It doesn't reduce or eliminate the debt, just moves it around. We need to actually eliminate the deficit and start to reduce the debt. 

 
 
 
bugsy
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5.1.1  bugsy  replied to  Snuffy @5.1    one week ago
We need to actually eliminate the deficit and start to reduce the debt. 

That is basically what I am saying. Maybe I did not opine on it clearly.

My apologies.

 
 

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