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Everybody Hates Elon

  

Category:  News & Politics

Via:  bob-nelson  •  7 hours ago  •  13 comments

By:   Paul Krugman

Everybody Hates Elon



And other tales of collapsing confidence


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These people have no idea wat they're doing. I know, I know... I'm repeating myself. But...

These people have no idea what they're doing.

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After Donald Trump won the 2024 election, progressives had one great fear about his economic policies — namely, that he wouldn't do much. Oh, he'd slap on a few tariffs, make a big show of eliminating "woke" spending, and of course cut taxes for corporations and the wealthy. But, we worried, he would basically avoid rocking the boat too much. Instead, he'd parade around claiming credit for the low unemployment, low inflation economy left behind by his predecessor.

And based on what happened during Trump's first term, I expected many people to lap it up, at least for a while. I expected stocks to rise on the prospect of tax cuts and deregulation; I expected consumer confidence to rise because Republican views of the economy are largely shaped by partisanship (this is true for Democrats too, but to a lesser extent); I expected media coverage of the economy to turn more positive, with right-wing editorial pages and opinion writers in particular lavishing praise on the new administration.

I was wrong.

True, between Election Day and the inauguration, things looked a bit like Trump's previous go-round. Stocks rose, while America's oligarchs put on a truly nauseating display of sycophancy. Hey, Trump may destroy democracy, but think of the profits:
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But once Trump actually took office, he quickly revealed who he was, and always has been. Investors and CEOs had somehow managed to convince themselves that Trump wouldn't follow through on his threats of trade war. In fact, he's imposed tariffs higher than anything he suggested during the campaign — then un-imposed, re-imposed, and re-un-imposed them. His erratic behavior may be doing as much damage as the tariffs themselves.

Then there's Trump's decision to give vast power to Elon Musk, who is displaying a combination of arrogance, ignorance and incompetence worthy of Trump himself. I mean, how clueless do you have to be to imagine that it would be a good idea to end phone service for Americans filing retirement and disability claims?

And people are catching on more quickly than I would have expected. At this point in 2017, the S&P 500 was up 15 percent since the inauguration; it was down 9 percent as of Thursday's close.

News coverage of the economy did turn more positive after the election, as expected — but not for long. The San Francisco Fed maintains an index of daily news sentiment about the economy "based on lexical analysis of economics-related news articles"; the index is now well below its pre-election level:

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And Trump isn't having a honeymoon on consumer sentiment, either. The chart at the top of this post shows a tracker from Civiqs; it's less well-known than the venerable measures from the University of Michigan and the Conference Board, but it's conducted by reputable people and is weekly rather than monthly, which is helpful given how quickly things have been changing. The fall in consumer perceptions since Inauguration Day is striking in itself, but even more so in contrast to Trump's first term.

A nerdy footnote: both the SF Fed news sentiment index and the Civiqs consumer sentiment index are "smoothed"; what you see isn't the latest raw number, it's an average of recent numbers. This is helpful as a way of making the data less noisy, but it also introduces some lag, so it's likely that sentiment has plunged even more than these indexes are showing so far.

Finally, while I don't have a number for this, my sense is that media opinion — even at hard-right venues like the Wall Street Journal — has turned even more strongly against Trumponomics than consumer sentiment or news reporting. The mad king himself certainly seems to think so:

Will Trump respond to the public backlash by moderating his policies or hiring some actual adults? That seems less ever less likely. What has happened, as I noted a couple of days ago, is that his top economic officials have embraced "liquidationism," the view that the economy needs to go through a period of suffering ("detox") to compensate for previous excesses. Shades of Herbert Hoover!

In retrospect, I may have spent too much time in that post showing that these claims are economic nonsense, and not enough time pointing out the desperation they reveal.

For one thing, it's awkward to center your economic messaging on claims that Americans need to suffer for President Biden's (imaginary) sins when Trump's message throughout the campaign was that he would fix everything on Day One. It's also remarkable, if you think about it, that Trump officials are in effect offering excuses for a recession that hasn't happened yet and is at this point only a possibility.

Also, who's hearing these messages? I would be curious to know what percentage of voters have any idea who Scott Bessent or Howard Lutnick are or what they do, but I'm sure it's not a big number. (Actually I'm not clear myself on exactly what Lutnick does.)

Another president might be making speeches, even doing fireside chats, to reassure the public. But Trump seems focused instead on annexing Canada, a subject on which he has grown ever more obsessive even as Canadians recoil at any thought of associating themselves with a nation that seems to be turning into the Republic of Gilead from The Handmaid's Tale .

So the closest thing we have to an economic spokesman for this administration is Elon Musk, who sees dead people collecting Social Security. And here's the thing: while there's still a dwindling Musk/Tesla cult, to a first approximation everyone else hates Elon.

Trump won the election because a number of people believed, wrongly, that he would do great things for the economy. It has taken him less than two months to squander all that undeserved trust.


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Bob Nelson
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1  seeder  Bob Nelson    7 hours ago

This is a race!!!

Who will succeed first: those who are destroying the economy, or those who are destroying democracy?

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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1.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Bob Nelson @1    6 hours ago
Who will succeed first: those who are destroying the economy, or those who are destroying democracy?

They are already out of office so it's a win for everybody.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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1.1.1  TᵢG  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @1.1    6 hours ago

Trump inherited a very healthy economy where the only problems were prices and interest rates.

Do you support imposing tariffs and triggering a trade war?

Do you NOT believe that tariffs will (already have) raise prices?

Do you NOT believe that trade wars will reduce consumer confidence / spending and slow the economy?

Do you NOT believe that these gratuitous tariffs have harmed international relationships?

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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1.1.2  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  TᵢG @1.1.1    6 hours ago
Trump inherited a very healthy economy where the only problems were prices and interest rates.

jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif That's some funny shit.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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1.1.3  TᵢG  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @1.1.2    6 hours ago

It is a shame that you think that is not reality.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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1.1.4  seeder  Bob Nelson  replied to  TᵢG @1.1.1    6 hours ago

He knows he's spewing nonsense. There's no thought behind anything he says. He's just trying to own a lib.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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1.1.5  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  TᵢG @1.1.3    5 hours ago

Don't get all upset that I don't follow YOUR version of reality.  Some of us look at the whole picture and not what you are told.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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1.1.6  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Bob Nelson @1.1.4    5 hours ago
He knows he's spewing nonsense.

Strange.  You haven't proven me wrong.  

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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1.1.7  seeder  Bob Nelson  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @1.1.6    4 hours ago

I wouldn't waste my time.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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1.1.8  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Bob Nelson @1.1.7    3 hours ago

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TᵢG
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1.1.9  TᵢG  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @1.1.5    3 hours ago
Don't get all upset that I don't follow YOUR version of reality

I can always count on projection from some.

Look, Jeremy, if you truly do not realize that these tariffs are and will continue to raise consumer prices (that YOU will also pay) then you are the one with your own version of reality.

And if you do indeed understand this, then what is the point of penning posts that make it look as though you do not understand even the most basic aspects of tariffs?

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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1.1.10  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  TᵢG @1.1.9    3 hours ago
I can always count on projection from some.

Oh, give it a rest already.  You blather on with that "projection" shit every time somebody goes against what you want them to think or say.  

Look, Jeremy, if you truly do not realize that these tariffs are and will continue

Has nothing to do with a goddamn thing I said.  Find somebody else.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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2  Trout Giggles    5 hours ago

I know I hate him

 
 

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