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“They Don’t Care About Civil Rights”: Trump’s Shuttering of DHS Oversight Arm Freezes 600 Cases, Imperils Human Rights

  

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Via:  hallux  •  2 weeks ago  •  38 comments

By:   J. David McSwane and Hannah Allam - ProPublica

“They Don’t Care About Civil Rights”: Trump’s Shuttering of DHS Oversight Arm Freezes 600 Cases, Imperils Human Rights

S E E D E D   C O N T E N T


The closure of the 150-person office, which protected the civil rights of both immigrants and U.S. citizens, strips Homeland Security of its internal guardrails as the Trump administration turns DHS into a mass-deportation machine, analysts say.


On Feb. 10, more than a dozen Department of Homeland Security officials joined a video conference to discuss an obscure, sparsely funded program overseen by its Office for Civil Rights and Civil Liberties. The office, charged with investigating when the national security agency is accused of violating the rights of both immigrants and U.S. citizens, had found itself in the crosshairs of Elon Musk’s secretive Department of Government Efficiency, or DOGE.

It began as a typical briefing, with Homeland Security officials explaining to DOGE a program many describe as a win-win. It had provided some $20 million in recent years to local organizations that provide case workers to keep people in immigration proceedings showing up to court, staff explained, without expensive detentions and ankle monitors.

DOGE leader   Kyle Schutt , a technology executive who developed a GOP online fundraising platform, interrupted. He wanted Joseph Mazzara, DHS’s acting   general counsel , to weigh in. Mazzara was recently appointed to the post after working for Ken Paxton as both an assistant solicitor general and member of the Texas attorney general’s defense team that beat back public corruption charges.

Schutt had a different interpretation of the   program , according to people who attended or were briefed on the meeting.

“This whole program sounds like money laundering,” he said.

Mazzara went further. His facial expressions, his use of profanity and the way he combed his fingers through his hair made clear he was annoyed.

“We should look into civil RICO charges,” Mazzara said.

DHS staff was stunned. The program had been mandated by Congress, yet Homeland Security’s top lawyer was saying it could be investigated under a law reserved for organized crime syndicates.

“I took it as a threat,” one attendee said. “It was traumatizing.”

For many in the office, known internally as CRCL, that moment was a dark forecast of the future. Several said they scrambled to try to fend off the mass firings they were seeing across the rest of President Donald Trump’s administration. They policed language that Trump’s appointees might not like. They hesitated to open complaints on hot-button cases. They reframed their work as less about protecting civil rights and more about keeping the department out of legal trouble.

None of it worked. On March 21, DHS Secretary Kristi Noem shut down the office and fired most of the 150-person staff. As a result, about 600 civil rights abuse investigations were frozen.

“All the oversight in DHS was eliminated today,” one worker texted after the announcement that they’d been fired.

Eight former CRCL officials spoke with ProPublica about the dismantling of the office on the condition of anonymity because they feared retribution. Their accounts come at a time when the new administration’s move to weaken oversight of federal agencies has faced legal challenges in the federal courts. In defending its move to shut CRCL, the administration said it was streamlining operations, as it has done elsewhere. “DHS remains committed to civil rights protections but must streamline oversight to remove roadblocks to enforcement,” said DHS spokesperson Tricia McLaughlin.

CRCL staff “often functioned as internal adversaries to slow down operations,” McLaughlin added. She did not address questions from ProPublica about the February meeting. Mazzara and Schutt did not reply to requests for comment.

The office’s closure strips Homeland Security of a key internal check and balance, analysts and former staff say, as the Trump administration morphs the agency into a mass-deportation machine. The civil rights team served as a deterrent to border patrol and immigration agents who didn’t want the hassle and paperwork of an investigation, staff said, and its closure signals that rights violations, including those against U.S. citizens, could go unchecked.

The office processed more than 3,000 complaints in fiscal year 2023 — on everything from disabled detainees being unable to access medical care to abuses of power at Immigration and Customs Enforcement and reports of rape at its detention centers. For instance, following reports that ICE had performed facial recognition searches on millions of Maryland drivers, a CRCL investigation led the agency to agree to new oversight; case details have been removed from the   DHS website   but are available in the   internet archive . The office also reported to Congress that it had investigated and confirmed allegations that a child, a U.S. citizen traveling without her parents between Mexico and California, had been sexually abused by Customs and Border Protection agents during a strip search.

Those cases would have gone nowhere without CRCL, its former staffers said.

“Nobody knows where to go without CRCL, and that’s the point,” a senior official said. Speaking of the administration, the official went on, “They don’t want oversight. They don’t care about civil rights and civil liberties.”

The CRCL staff, most of them lawyers, emphasized that their work is not politically motivated, nor is it limited to immigration issues. For instance, sources said the office was   investigating allegations   that disaster aid workers with the Federal Emergency Management Agency had   skipped over houses   that displayed signs supporting Trump during the 2024 election.

“The Office for Civil Rights and Civil Liberties touches on everyone,” one fired employee said. “There’s this perception that we’re only focused on immigrants, and that’s just not true.”

Uncertainty and Panic


The final days of the civil rights office unfolded in a cloud of uncertainty and panic, as with other federal offices getting “RIF’d,” the Beltway verb for the government’s “reduction in force.”

Staff members described the weeks before the shutdown as a whittling away of their work. Dozens of investigative memos posted online in a transparency initiative? Deleted from the site. The eight-person team on racial equity issues? Immediately placed on leave. Travel funds to check conditions at detention centers? Reduced to $1.

As fear intensified that the civil rights office would be dismantled, staff tried to lie low. Leaders told staff to stop launching investigations that came from media reports, previously a common avenue for inquiries. Now, only official complaints from the public would be considered.

Staff was particularly frustrated that under this new mandate it couldn’t open an official investigation into the case of   Mahmoud Khalil , a Columbia University graduate student and legal resident who was arrested for participating in protests against Israel’s war in Gaza.

With dozens of employees spread across branches or working remotely, many civil rights staffers had never met their colleagues — until the Trump administration’s return-to-office order forced them to come in five days a week. By early March, when reality had sunk in that their jobs were likely to be eliminated, they began quietly organizing, setting up encrypted Signal chat groups and sharing updates on lawsuits filed by government workers in other agencies.

“It’s inspiring how federal employees are pushing back and connecting,” one worker said.

Beyond Trump’s mandate to remove all references to diversity, equity and inclusion, or DEI, leaders told staff to omit from memos words such as “however,” which might sound combative, or “stakeholders,” which came across as too warm and fuzzy.

“Daily life was one miserable assignment after the next,” a staffer said. The orders coming down from Trump appointees were intended to “basically tell us how to undo your office.”

In what would be the last days of the office, the atmosphere was “chilling” and “intimidating.” Some personnel froze, too afraid to make recommendations, while others risked filing new investigations in final acts of defiance.

When the news came on a Friday that they were all being fired, civil rights staff were told they couldn’t issue any out-of-office reply, one former senior official said.

They are still technically employees, on paid leave until May 23. Many have banded together and are exploring legal remedies to get their jobs back. In the interim, if complaints are coming in, none of the professionals trained to receive them are around.

What’s Been Lost


Days after the meeting in which allegations of money laundering and organized crime were loosely thrown at CRCL employees,   the program in question   was shut down. That effort had essentially earmarked money to local charities to provide nonviolent immigrants with case workers who connect them to services such as human trafficking screening and information on U.S. law. Created by Congress in 2021, the goal was to keep immigrants showing up to court.

Now, Trump’s DHS is suggesting the case worker program is somehow involved in human smuggling. Erol Kekic, a spokesperson for the charity the federal government hired to administer funds in that program, said Church World Services received a “weirdly worded letter” that baffled the organization’s attorneys.

“They said there could be potential human trafficking,” he said, referring to DHS. “But they didn’t accuse us directly of it.”

The nonprofit is working on its response, he said.

Elsewhere, the absence of Homeland Security’s civil rights oversight is already reverberating.

With their office closed, CRCL staff now fear the hypotheticals: At ports of entry, Americans’ Fourth Amendment protections against unreasonable searches and seizure are relaxed; if CBP abuses its power to root through phones and laptops, who will investigate? And if DHS began arresting U.S. citizens for First Amendment protected speech? Their office would have been the first line of defense.

As an example of cases falling through the cracks, CRCL staff told ProPublica they had recommended an investigation into the   deportation of a Lebanese professor   at Brown University who was in the country on a valid work visa. Federal prosecutors said in court she was detained at an airport in Boston in connection with “sympathetic photos and videos” on her phone of leaders of the Lebanese militant group Hezbollah.   Reuters   reported she told border authorities she did not support Hezbollah but admired the group’s deceased leader Hassan Nasrallah for religious reasons.

Staff also wanted to look into the case of a   10-year-old girl recovering from brain cancer   who, despite being a U.S. citizen, was deported to Mexico along with her parents when they hit an immigration checkpoint as they rushed to an emergency medical visit.

In Colorado, immigration attorney Laura Lunn routinely filed complaints with CRCL, saying pleas with ICE officials at its Aurora detention center were often ignored. Those complaints to CRCL have stopped her clients from being illegally deported, she said, or gotten emergency gynecological care for a woman who had been raped just before being detained.

But now, she asks, “Who do I even go to when there are illegal things happening?”

Lunn’s group, the Rocky Mountain Immigration Advocacy Network, has also joined in large group complaints about inadequate medical care, COVID-19 isolation policies and access to medical care for a pod of transgender inmates.

She’s among those trying to find clients who were housed in the Aurora facility but have mysteriously disappeared. Her clients had pending proceedings, she said, yet were summarily removed, something she’d never seen in 15 years of immigration law.

“Ordinarily, I would file a CRCL complaint. At this moment, we don’t have anyone to file a complaint to,” Lunn said.

That sort of mass deportation is something CRCL would have inspected. In fact, staff members said they had just launched a review into Trump’s increased use of Guantanamo Bay to detain migrants, an inquiry which now appears to have vanished.

In New Mexico, immigration lawyer Sophia Genovese said she’s filed more than 100 CRCL complaints, helping her secure medical care and other services for sick and disabled people.

She said she has several pending complaints, including one about a detainee who has stomach cancer but can’t get medication stronger than ibuprofen and another involving an HIV-positive patient who hasn’t been able to see a doctor.

“CRCL was one of the very few tools we had to check ICE, to hold ICE accountable,” Genovese said. “Now you see them speeding to complete authoritarianism.”


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Hallux
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1  seeder  Hallux    2 weeks ago

To complete the picture Kristi Noem is in dire need of a whip and a uniform.

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.1  devangelical  replied to  Hallux @1    2 weeks ago

I was thinking more along the lines of a merry widow and an SS uniform hybrid, since the SS had an affinity towards gravel pits ...

 
 
 
Hallux
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1.1.1  seeder  Hallux  replied to  devangelical @1.1    2 weeks ago

Kristi would need to change her name to Ilsa.

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.1.2  devangelical  replied to  Hallux @1.1.1    2 weeks ago

any name that sounds german when the lights go out ...

she's already gotten ahold of a field marshal's baton more than a few times in the last term ...

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.1.3  JohnRussell  replied to  devangelical @1.1.2    2 weeks ago

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the internet has noted that her gun is pointed at the head of the officer next to her

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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1.1.4  Trout Giggles  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.3    2 weeks ago

She doesn't know the first thing about weapon safety....like she never handled a weapon in her life or something

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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1.1.5  Trout Giggles  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.3    2 weeks ago

And...if she wants to go on a raid I highly suggest she do something with that hair

 
 
 
George
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1.1.6  George  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.3    2 weeks ago
the internet has noted that her gun is pointed at the head of the officer next to her

The internet is full of morons, that weapon is NOT pointed at his head.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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1.1.7  Right Down the Center  replied to  George @1.1.6    2 weeks ago

Also based on how low the gun is her finger is nowhere near the trigger.

 
 
 
Hallux
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1.1.8  seeder  Hallux  replied to  Right Down the Center @1.1.7    2 weeks ago

The picture was cropped, here is the full pic:

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Right Down the Center
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1.1.9  Right Down the Center  replied to  Hallux @1.1.8    2 weeks ago

So nowhere near the trigger

 
 
 
George
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1.1.10  George  replied to  Hallux @1.1.8    2 weeks ago

Finger not on the trigger and barrel still not pointed at his head. like i said, people on the internet tend to be morons like this guy who really doesn't know shit about gun safety. 

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Hallux
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1.1.11  seeder  Hallux  replied to  Right Down the Center @1.1.9    2 weeks ago
So nowhere near the trigger

I'm not arguing either way, just posting the full pic. That said, she's is still an arse.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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1.1.12  Trout Giggles  replied to  Hallux @1.1.11    2 weeks ago
So nowhere near the trigger

doesn't matter... should never, ever point a weapon in someone's direction

 
 
 
Thomas
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1.1.13  Thomas  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.3    2 weeks ago

Who Cares? She doesn't. Do some research on the story instead of bickering ....

Is that a Gucci?!

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JohnRussell
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1.1.14  JohnRussell  replied to  Trout Giggles @1.1.4    2 weeks ago

Kristi Noem Ripped For Photo Op Where She Points Gun At Head

President   Donald Trump’s   secretary of Homeland Security,   Kristi Noem , was roundly condemned on Tuesday over a photo op in which she accidentally pointed a gun at a border patrol officer’s head.

In the clip Noem posted to X, she stands between two officers and says, “Here we are with Marco and Brian today. They’re letting me roll with them. We’re going to go out and pick up somebody who I think is– got charges of human trafficking. We earlier had an op that swept up somebody that was wanted for murder. So appreciate the good work that they do every day, and we appreciate them working to make America safe.”

While   Noem   donning tactical gear and joining operations for the cameras has become routine in recent weeks, observers were quick to note her mishandling of the weapon in her hand.

Washington Post   military reporter   Alex Horton   replied to the video, “Noem is pointing the M4 muzzle at an agent with an open dust cover, indicating a chambered round. It’s the worst possible place to point it. No one stopped her, including the agent to her left, who should know better but also has bad muzzle discipline.”

Noem is pointing the M4 muzzle at an agent with an open dust cover, indicating a chambered round. It's the worst possible place to point it. No one stopped her, including the agent to her left, who should know better but also has bad muzzle discipline.   — Alex Horton (@AlexHortonTX)   April 8, 2025

Conservative   New York Times   columnist   David French   commented , “This is what LARPing looks like” – referring to live-action role play.

Sen.   Ruben Gallego   (D-AZ), a former Marine,   replied :

1. Close your ejection port.

2. If you have no rounds in the chamber why do you have a magazine inserted?

3. If you have rounds in the chamber or in the magazine why are you flagging the guy next to you?

4. Stop deporting people without due process.

Below are some additional reactions from across the political spectrum:

Conservatives need a distinct aesthetic, but this one isn't it. The Bukele visuals work because it is El Salvador; the American aesthetic should be a cut above—a nod to the old G-Man, rather than "girlboss tacticool." Agency head shouldn't pretend to be an operator, feels fake.   — Christopher F. Rufo ⚔️ (@realchrisrufo)   April 8, 2025
PSA:

If Secretary Noem personally shoots or arrests you (or your dog), please email me.

I have some legal theories that I've been champing at the bit to test out.

(I work for free at a non-profit.)  

— Patrick Jaicomo (@pjaicomo)   April 8, 2025
Whatever your politics or views on immigration, I think we can all agree that these photo ops are ridiculous.   — John Daniel Davidson (@johnddavidson)   April 8, 2025

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Split Personality
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1.1.15  Split Personality  replied to  devangelical @1.1    one week ago

to match Steven Miller's SS uniform?

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2  Jeremy Retired in NC    2 weeks ago
DOGE leader   Kyle Schutt , a technology executive who developed a GOP online fundraising platform, interrupted. He wanted Joseph Mazzara, DHS’s acting   general counsel , to weigh in. Mazzara was recently appointed to the post after working for Ken Paxton as both an assistant solicitor general and member of the Texas attorney general’s defense team that beat back public corruption charges.

Schutt had a different interpretation of the   program , according to people who attended or were briefed on the meeting.

“This whole program sounds like money laundering,” he said.

Mazzara went further. His facial expressions, his use of profanity and the way he combed his fingers through his hair made clear he was annoyed.

“We should look into civil RICO charges,” Mazzara said.

DHS staff was stunned. The program had been mandated by Congress, yet Homeland Security’s top lawyer was saying it could be investigated under a law reserved for organized crime syndicates.

It appears this office was operating outside of it's scope.  Good reason to close its doors. 

 
 
 
Hallux
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2.1  seeder  Hallux  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2    2 weeks ago
Good reason to close its doors. 

Cuz Trump appointees like their leader nevuh lie ...

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.1.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Hallux @2.1    one week ago

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Thomas
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2.2  Thomas  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2    2 weeks ago
It appears this office was operating outside of it's scope.  Good reason to close its doors. 

I see no evidence in the article to draw that conclusion. Are you basing that on the bare assertion from Mazzara? 

Here is the mandate for the office according to Chat GPT Deep Research:

Evolution of DHS Office for Civil Rights and Civil Liberties (CRCL)

  • Homeland Security Act of 2002 (Founding): Congress established the Office for Civil Rights and Civil Liberties in the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) via the Homeland Security Act of 2002. Section 705 of the Act (codified at 6 U.S.C. § 345) created the Officer for Civil Rights and Civil Liberties, reporting directly to the DHS Secretary​ uscode.house.gov . The law tasked this Officer with reviewing allegations of civil rights or civil liberties abuses (including profiling by DHS employees), advising DHS leadership on civil rights/civil liberties issues, and ensuring these principles are integrated into DHS programs​ uscode.house.gov  uscode.house.gov . The 2002 law also required the Officer (through the Secretary) to report annually to Congress on implementation of these responsibilities and any civil rights abuse allegations received​ uscode.house.gov . This founding legislation emphasized that DHS’s security mission must not diminish the civil rights or liberties of persons​ dhs.gov . Initially, the Officer was to be appointed by the President as one of the department’s senior officials (as listed in Section 103 of the Act)​ dhs.gov .

  • Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Prevention Act of 2004 (Expanded Mandate): The IRTPA of 2004 amended the Homeland Security Act to broaden CRCL’s authority and duties. In response to early concerns, Congress added explicit functions for the CRCL Officer: helping develop and implement department-wide policies that incorporate civil rights/civil liberties protections, overseeing DHS’s compliance with constitutional and legal requirements, and coordinating with the DHS Privacy Officer on overlapping issues​ uscode.house.gov   uscode.house.gov . The 2004 amendments (Pub. L. 108–458 § 8303) also bolstered CRCL’s investigative role – directing the Officer to investigate civil rights or liberties complaints unless the Inspector General opts to investigate them instead​ uscode.house.gov . These amendments effectively unified what had been a limited role into a more robust civil rights/civil liberties oversight function inside DHS, and ensured the Officer would have a direct advisory role to the Secretary on policy review and program implementation to safeguard individual liberties​ uscode.house.gov   uscode.house.gov . (Notably, DHS internally issued Management Directive 3500 in 2004 to clarify and operationalize these changes, unifying the Officer’s internal and external responsibilities and establishing a dedicated Chief Counsel within CRCL to provide legal advice​ itlaw.fandom.com   itlaw.fandom.com .)

  • Implementing Recommendations of the 9/11 Commission Act of 2007 (Augmenting Authority): Congress again strengthened CRCL through the 9/11 Commission Act of 2007 (Pub. L. 110–53). Section 803 of this Act (codified at 42 U.S.C. § 2000ee-1) formally designated DHS’s Officer for Civil Rights and Civil Liberties as a government-wide “Privacy and Civil Liberties Officer,” granting additional powers and protections​   dhs.gov . This law ensured the CRCL Officer has expansive access to all DHS information and personnel necessary to perform oversight, and it forbids any retaliatory action against individuals who file civil rights or civil liberties complaints​ dhs.gov . The Act also imposed new reporting requirements: it directs the CRCL Officer to report regularly to Congress (quarterly) on the Office’s activities and findings​ dhs.gov . In addition, the 2007 Act expanded CRCL’s mandate by requiring involvement in DHS’s information-sharing and counterterrorism initiatives. For example, DHS must provide appropriate privacy and civil liberties training for all personnel deployed to state and local intelligence fusion centers in coordination with the DHS Privacy Office and CRCL​   bja.ojp.gov   ​ bja.ojp.gov . The law also required CRCL (along with the Privacy Office) to conduct a civil liberties impact assessment of the DHS State and Local Fusion Center program and to continually review DHS policies to ensure adequate consideration of civil liberties in counterterrorism efforts​ bja.ojp.gov . These provisions in 2007 significantly broadened CRCL’s oversight role, embedding it in DHS’s intelligence and information-sharing programs and reinforcing its statutory independence and authority to raise civil liberties concerns.

  • Additional Policy Directives and Responsibilities: Over time, DHS leadership has issued policy documents to shape CRCL’s role further. The DHS Secretary’s Delegation 19003 (under authority of Title VII of the Homeland Security Act) formally delegated to the CRCL Officer responsibility for equal employment opportunity (EEO) and for enforcing federal civil rights laws in DHS-conducted or -funded programs​   dhs.gov . Under this delegation, CRCL became the Department’s lead office ensuring compliance with laws like Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 (prohibiting race, color, or national origin discrimination in federally assisted programs) and Section 504 of the Rehabilitation Act (disability non-discrimination in programs) for all DHS activities​
    dhs.gov   dhs.gov . In practice, this means CRCL reviews civil rights compliance by DHS grant recipients and handles internal EEO complaints and diversity programs. DHS also issued Directive 046-01 (Office for CRCL) and updates like Directive 3500 (2004) mentioned above, which together consolidated the civil rights/civil liberties and EEO functions under CRCL’s purview​ itlaw.fandom.com . Through these legislative actions and DHS policies, CRCL’s responsibilities have evolved and expanded from a narrow post-9/11 watchdog to a multifaceted office with statutory authority to influence policy, investigate and resolve complaints, ensure civil rights compliance in DHS operations, and report independently to Congress on the Department’s civil rights and civil liberties performance​ dhs.gov   dhs.gov . Today, CRCL stands as a key internal oversight office within DHS, with a broad mandate to protect individuals’ rights while DHS carries out its security missions.
Does not look like a money laundering scheme to me.
 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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2.2.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Thomas @2.2    one week ago

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Thomas
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2.2.2  Thomas  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.2.1    one week ago

Then take that up with Schutt.

Why? I am talking with you. 

So you don't care if the DHS just violates civil rights? 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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2.2.3  Trout Giggles  replied to  Thomas @2.2.2    one week ago

That's a shame coming from a veteran...

 
 
 
devangelical
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2.2.4  devangelical  replied to  Trout Giggles @2.2.3    one week ago

name one maga veteran that still defends the constitution ...

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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2.2.5  Trout Giggles  replied to  devangelical @2.2.4    one week ago

Well, Mr Giggles is half MAGA but he still defends the constitution.  I call him half because he really does think the tariffs are a good idea.

You know what....He went full-on MAGA right after trmp was elected the second time. But he does defend the constitution tho I don't think he understands most parts of it

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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2.2.9  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Trout Giggles @2.2.5    one week ago

The rest of this thread was removed for meta.

 
 
 
devangelical
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2.2.10  devangelical  replied to  Trout Giggles @2.2.5    one week ago

... so you let him think he's smarter.

 
 
 
Thomas
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2.2.11  Thomas  replied to  devangelical @2.2.10    one week ago

For personal safety? I know couples whe are split like that- liberal/MAGA..... thy get through it somehow. 

 
 
 
devangelical
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2.2.12  devangelical  replied to  Thomas @2.2.11    one week ago

the ex drug around a ton of rwnj baggage, but she was eventually converted ...

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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2.2.13  Trout Giggles  replied to  devangelical @2.2.10    one week ago

That goes against everything my mother taught me

 
 
 
Thomas
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3  Thomas    2 weeks ago

To Trump and company, rights just get in the way of Governmental Efficiency.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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4  Bob Nelson    one week ago

"They don't care about civil rights" is an inaccurate statement.

They are actively hostile to civil rights.

 
 
 
Kavika
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5  Kavika     one week ago

The only civil rights that Trump and the admistration is interested is their own. That should be obvious to the MAGAs here.

 
 
 
Thomas
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5.1  Thomas  replied to  Kavika @5    one week ago

The only civil rights that Trump and the admistration is interested is their own. That should be obvious to the MAGAs here.

I think it is more than clear, hence their beligrence.

 
 

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