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Europe 'Shocked' as Trump Hands Putin 'Win': Experts

  

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Via:  john-russell  •  last year  •  7 comments

By:   Isabel van Brugen (Newsweek)

Europe 'Shocked' as Trump Hands Putin 'Win': Experts

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President Donald Trump's lengthy phone call with Vladimir Putin yielded no major breakthrough and led some European officials to accuse the U.S. president of handing his Russian counterpart a win.

The leaders spoke for two hours on Monday as part of Washington's latest attempt to bring the three-year conflict with Ukraine to an end.

After the call, Trump hinted that the U.S. would no longer play a direct role in peace talks. He also refused to impose fresh sanctions on Russia to ramp up pressure on Putin to take negotiations seriously.

"Europe remains shocked" by what it sees as abandonment by Washington, "the previous anchor in the Western alliance," Swedish economist Anders slund, who has served as an economic adviser to both the governments of Russia and Ukraine, told Newsweek.

Former Swedish Prime Minister Carl Bildt said on X (formerly Twitter) that the call was "undoubtedly a win for Putin."

Newsweek has contacted Russia's Foreign Ministry for comment by email.

Why It Matters


Monday's call fell short of expectations, dashing hopes that it would represent a major turning point in Trump's pledge to broker peace. Trump had threatened to walk away unless more progress was made, and has since said the key to unlocking peace in Ukraine is a meeting between him and Putin, which he wants to happen as soon as possible. The call was a step towards a meeting.

But Ukraine and its European allies want Trump to increase the pressure on Putin via sanctions and more military aid for Kyiv to strengthen its position in negotiations. They don't believe Putin will stop the invasion on agreeable terms unless he is forced to do so.

What To Know

After the call, Trump said Moscow and Kyiv would resume direct negotiations on a possible ceasefire, while once again saying the U.S. would exit the process if talks stall.

"I think something's going to happen. And if it doesn't, I just back away and they're going to have to keep going," he told reporters, calling the talks "productive."

The Kremlin said the phone call was "frank and friendly," revealing that the two leaders addressed each other by their first names and neither wanted to hang up first.

Trump "is stepping away," one senior European diplomat briefed on the call told the Financial Times. "Supporting and financing Ukraine, putting pressure on Russia: that's all on us now."

Aslund, a senior fellow at the Stockholm Free World Forum, adjunct professor at Georgetown University and author of Russia's Crony Capitalism, said Trump was capitulating to Putin.

"In all his actions related to Russia, Trump indicates that he is merely a junior partner to Putin, accepting his master's positions and never raising any real criticism even if he tries to cover his back sometimes with some quibbles," he said.

"We had better realize that personally Trump is a friend and ally of Putin," Aslund added. "The question is to what extent the U.S. polity is still able to range Trump in. Europe remains shocked by having been abandoned by the previous anchor in the Western alliance."

Germany's defense minister, Boris Pistorius, said Putin should be judged by his actions, not words, and that he is "continuing to play for time" with "lip service" after his call with Trump.

Both Kyiv and Moscow have refused to budge as Russia continues to demand that Ukraine recognize its occupied territories as Russian and abandon its NATO ambitions—demands Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky firmly rejects, refusing to cede any territory to Putin.

What People Are Saying


Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said on Monday: "It is crucial for all of us that the United States does not distance itself from the talks and the pursuit of peace, because the only one who benefits from that is Putin."

Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry Peskov said: "There are no deadlines and there cannot be any. It is clear that everyone wants to do this as quickly as possible, but, of course, the devil is in the details."

Former Swedish Prime Minister Carl Bildt said on X (formerly Twitter): "Undoubtedly a win for Putin as he deflected the call for an an immediate ceasefire and instead can continue military operations at the same time as he puts pressure on [Ukraine] at the negotiating table. Putin undoubtedly intends to talk about ceasefire until all his conditions on limiting [Ukraine's] sovereignty are met.

German Defense Minsiter Pistorius said: "I think it's fair to say that yesterday's conversation once again confirmed: statements are being made by the Russian side, but there is still no evidence for the declared intentions...Vladimir Putin is evidently continuing to play for time—that is also very clear to see. And so, even though Russia is willing to talk about a memorandum, there is still no ceasefire in sight...That is, at least, my assessment. There is no timeline. So unfortunately, one has to say that Putin still does not appear to be seriously interested in peace or a ceasefire—at least not under conditions that are acceptable to others."

Elina Beketova, fellow at the Center for European Policy Analysis (CEPA), told Newsweek: "I don't believe the Russians are genuinely interested in making meaningful concessions to Donald Trump, but they also won't withdraw from the negotiation process. They'll continue to engage diplomatically while simultaneously escalating attacks. At this point, only sanctions and credible deterrence mechanisms can make a difference."

Jon Sweet, retired U.S. Army military intelligence officer, told Newsweek: "Putin is not interested in a ceasefire or peace deal; rather, as his Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov stated: 'Russia will accept nothing less than total victory over Ukraine.'

"Team Trump is running out of excuses for Putin. Ukraine can still defeat Russia, but only if Washington can rediscover the intestinal fortitude it once had in the likes of Commanding Generals Ulysses S. Grant and George S. Patton when winning was the only acceptable outcome."

What Happens Next


Direct Russia-Ukraine talks are due to resume, Trump has said. But Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said coming to an agreement on peace with Ukraine is likely to be a painstaking and long process.

President Donald Trump (L) and Russian President Vladimir Putin arrive to waiting media during a joint press conference after their summit on July 16, 2018 in Helsinki, Finland.President Donald Trump (L) and Russian President Vladimir Putin arrive to waiting media during a joint press conference after their summit on July 16, 2018 in Helsinki, Finland.Chris McGrath/Getty Images


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JohnRussell
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1  seeder  JohnRussell    last year
Jon Sweet, retired U.S. Army military intelligence officer, told Newsweek: "Putin is not interested in a ceasefire or peace deal; rather, as his Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov stated: 'Russia will accept nothing less than total victory over Ukraine.' "Team Trump is running out of excuses for Putin. Ukraine can still defeat Russia, but only if Washington can rediscover the intestinal fortitude it once had in the likes of Commanding Generals Ulysses S. Grant and George S. Patton when winning was the only acceptable outcome."

After four months of total failure to move a peace process in Ukraine (something he said he would do in 24 hours) Trump is washing his hands. 

I just hope Europe will keep funding Ukraine. 

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Quiet
1.1  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  JohnRussell @1    last year
Trump is washing his hands. 

He's not really 'washing them' so much as covering them in the blood of innocent Ukrainians. Trump is admitting defeat and abandoning an ally of western democracy, he and his sycophants don't want to oppose what they clearly see as a fine example of rightwing authoritarianism. It is beyond obvious that Trump is jealous of Putin and wishes he could be just like him and there are apparently a large portion of Trump supporters who feel the same way. It's either that or they're just frightened little babies scared out of their minds by Putin who must seem just so strong and powerful to them that they revere and respect his authoritarian might and are so fucking weak and useless themselves they'd never even consider rising up to combat such a strong man so they have no choice but to kneel and grovel before him in abject fear.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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1.2  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @1    last year

"Trump "is stepping away," one senior European diplomat briefed on the call told the Financial Times. "Supporting and financing Ukraine, putting pressure on Russia: that's all on us now."

Aw gee. poor Europe and all its advanced technology can't pressure Russia into meaningful negotiations without the US doing the heavy lifting and financing the whole thing.

Right....just keep the US cash and weapons coming and imposing all kinds of sanctions....that'll get Putin to capitulate at some time into the future and come to terms.  jrSmiley_78_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2  seeder  JohnRussell    last year

dnyuz.com   /2025/05/20/russian-chess-grand-master-says-putin-is-laughing-at-trump/

Russian Chess Grand Master Says Putin Is ‘Laughing’ at Trump

The Daily Beast 4-5 minutes   5/20/2025


Russian exile and former chess grand master Garry Kasparov has said that Vladimir Putin is calling the shots on Ukrainian peace talks, and is “laughing” at President Donald Trump.

Trump, who vowed to end the Russia-Ukraine conflict on day one of his presidency, has publicly demanded that Putin stop his bombing of Ukraine and come to the negotiating table.

Putin kept Trump’s U.S. delegation and Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky waiting until the last minute   before snubbing peace talks   in Turkey last week, in a move that read like a power play.

Instead, Putin stayed in Moscow and held a meeting with the head of a Russian bank. Since then, Trump and Putin have had an “excellent” phone call, according to the U.S. president.

Putin said the call on Monday was “very meaningful and frank,” but a ceasefire remains elusive. Putin dialed in from a music school in Sochi, a city on the Black Sea, not far from Georgia. Trump was speaking from the Oval Office.

Russian-Chess-Grand-Master-Says-Putin-Is-%E2%80%98Laughing-at-Trump.JPG Putin dialled into a call with Trump from the Sirius Educational Centre for Gifted Children near Sochi.  Vyacheslav Prokofyev/via REUTERS
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This too was a power play, according to Kasparov. Speaking on CNN’s OutFront with Erin Burnett on Monday evening, the former World Chess Champion who fled Russia due to political persecution by Putin’s regime, said the Kremlin chief’s choice of venue for the call shows his true feelings for Trump.

“Putin is laughing at him. He didn’t even come back to Moscow. He spoke to him from a music school in the obscure place in the south of Russia,” he said.

Burnett asked him if this “matters,” and Kasparov continued: “Of course! Putin shows disdain. Putin enjoys it. I mean, you can see the body language and also, a dictator has to show his strength.”

He added that this is a “message to Russians” from the tough guy leader. Kasparov added that it also serves as a message to other dictators around the globe.

“Trump is nobody. I mean, look, you know, ‘I can play the American president as a broken guitar,’” he said.

Kasparov added that Putin “doesn’t hear” the strong messaging from Trump and Vice President JD Vance.

“Putin knows that Trump is capable of doing nothing. And this is an American position as presented by JD Vance, that if Putin doesn‘t want to negotiate, we‘ll do exactly what he what he wants us to do. America is walking away,” he explained.

1747738448_85_Russian-Chess-Grand-Master-Says-Putin-Is-%E2%80%98Laughing-at-Trump.JPG Kasparov with slain prominent anti-corruption blogger Alexei Navalny in 2012.  Sergei Karpukhin/REUTERS

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He declared that the president of the United States is “openly taking the side of a brutal dictator that has been carrying genocidal war against its neighbor.”

“And today, Putin is the main threat to the global stability. That should should tell us more about Donald Trump,” he added.

Kasparov even suggested that the two-hour 15-minute call that the leaders had on Monday might have even devolved into a negotiation about trade, rather than a ceasefire. “I mean, the old nonsense about a ceasefire that just went nowhere could take 15 minutes, 20 minutes, 30 minutes, 45 minutes,” he said.

“What about the rest, 90 minutes? And knowing Trump… he talked about trade, I think, you know, they talked about something else which interests Trump. Trump more [than] anything else, he cares about two things—vanity and greed. So I think Putin knows how to handle it.”

Kasparov claimed that Trump is using his “immense power” to “make him rich.”

“So he‘s not even hiding this intention. And Vladimir Putin is laughing,” he added.

He struck a similar tone on his   Substack The Next Move , saying Trump “looks like a complete idiot” and a “beaten dog” that has bowed to all of Putin’s demands.

The post   Russian Chess Grand Master Says Putin Is ‘Laughing’ at Trump   appeared first on   The Daily Beast .

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Quiet
2.1  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  JohnRussell @2    last year
Russian Chess Grand Master Says Putin Is ‘Laughing’ at Trump

Of course he is, as well as laughing at that roughly half of American people for being so fucking stupid as to vote for such a massive piece of human garbage. Putin knows he couldn't have done it without those halfwits, conspiracy theorists and raging bigots so I'm sure he shows a hint of gratitude in between his giggles and guffaws.

 
 
 
Igknorantzruls
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2.2  Igknorantzruls  replied to  JohnRussell @2    last year

Jack Black calling in from the school of rock, but Trumps was busy sucking the Dicktaters binky

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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3  Trout Giggles    last year
The Kremlin said the phone call was "frank and friendly," revealing that the two leaders addressed each other by their first names and neither wanted to hang up first.

Probably lots of kissy noises and I love yous going back and forth....

In all seriousness, trmp got his marching orders in that phone call. trmp never had any intention of settling this thing with the USSR and Ukraine

 
 

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