Why Did Truman Support Civil Rights?

So... would he be pleased or horrified by MAGA?

Blacks were mostly oppressed by the party of racism, the Democratic party, particularly in the South. Don't forget, they fought the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 tooth and nail. The Republicans were largely responsible of getting it passed.

MAGA as a group believes that all are created equal, which is why so many Blacks and Hispanics have chosen to follow Trump and the Republicans, because the progressives have betrayed and abandoned them.

MAGA as a group believes that all are created equal

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They do????

Don't forget, they fought the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 tooth and nail.

LOL. Democrats proposed the legislation, authored it, the majority of Democrats passed it and then a Democratic President signed it into law.

The legislation was proposed by  President   John F. Kennedy  in June 1963, but it was opposed by  filibuster  in the Senate. After  Kennedy was assassinated  on November 22, 1963, President  Lyndon B. Johnson  pushed the bill forward.

1964 Civil Rights Act Vote By party and region

House of Representatives:

• Southern Democrats: 8–83 (9–91%)
• Southern Republicans: 0–11 (0– 100% )
• Northern Democrats: 145–8 (95–5%)
• Northern Republicans: 136–24 (85–15%)

Note that four Representatives voted   Present   while 13 did not vote.

Senate:

• Southern Democrats: 1–20 (5–95%)

• Southern Republicans: 0–1 (0– 100% ) 

• Northern Democrats: 45–1 (98–2%)

• Northern Republicans: 27–5 (84–16%)

Civil Rights Act of 1964 - Wikipedia

So, a total of 199 Democrats voted FOR the 1964 Civil Rights Act vs a total of 163 Republicans voting for it.

Also to note, 100% of Southern Republicans voted AGAINST the Civil Rights Act. And 96% of Northern Democrats voted FOR the civil rights act while just 84% of Northern Republicans voted for it.

It's clear that some Republicans today have fooled themselves into thinking that they're on the right side of history. The fact is that after the civil rights act passed Republicans did employ the Southern strategy and were clearly successful in winning over the disaffected by the Democrat party that abandoned the racist rightwing conservative confederate loving religious bigots that used to control the South under a Southern conservative Democrat banner. The only thing that has really changed is the banner to a Southern conservative Republican banner.

"From now on, the Republicans are never going to get more than 10 to 20 percent of the Negro vote and they don't need any more than that... but Republicans would be shortsighted if they weakened enforcement of the  Voting Rights Act . The more Negroes who register as Democrats in the South, the sooner the Negrophobe whites will quit the Democrats and become Republicans. That's where the votes are." - Republican strategist for Richard Nixon Kevin Phillips in 1970 New York times article

Don't get me wrong though, I don't expect Republicans to stop lying about this though, they simply can't do anything other than double down on their lies. They have but one option which is the Joey Bishop defense... deny, deny, deny.

Deny, Deny, Deny: Joey Bishop/Imagene Coca - YouTube

Don't confuse them with facts

Lemme see - 1970 - 2025 is - 55 years ago - Phillips is Nixon's strategist - published in the NYT

Just don't need to go any further.

Facts?  In 1970, Nixon's (a Republican President)  actions and policies were focused on both domestic and international issues.  Domestically, he faced significant anti-war protests related to the Vietnam War, and in an effort to curb inflation, he imposed wage and price controls for 90 days.  Internationally, Nixon continued the Vietnam War, including military operations and bombing campaigns in Cambodia, while also seeking to negotiate an end to the conflict, and signed the Occupational Safety and Health Act, National Environmental Policy Act, Clean Air Act and Endangered Species Act .

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Nope - nothing dealing with racism there.

Next.

Nope - nothing dealing with racism there.

Racists think everyone else is as obsessed with race as they are, so they attribute race to everything.  In their world  Wars, jobs, taxes, crime, inflation etc.. don't matter to people it's only race, because it's all they care about.  So Nixon winning 49 states could only be because of race in their obsessive world. 

Nope - nothing dealing with racism there.

Really?

The major Democratic-sponsored national civil rights legislation of the 1960s , the  Civil Rights Act of 1964  and the  Voting Rights Act of 1965 , were vehemently opposed by Southern Democrats and are frequently cited as the immediate cause of the South’s shift of  allegiance  from the Democratic to the Republican Party . The resentment among white voters provoked by federal civil rights  mandates  was successfully exploited in the 1960s in the Republicans’ early Southern strategy . For example, as the Republican candidate in the U.S. presidential election of 1964, Arizona Sen.  Barry Goldwater  argued against the Civil Rights Act as an unconstitutional overreach by the federal government, insisting that policies related to civil rights, desegregation, and  voting rights  should be properly left to the states. Although Goldwater lost the presidential election to incumbent Democratic Pres.  Lyndon B. Johnson , he won Arizona and five states in the Deep South, reflecting a significant change in the South’s political landscape.

Republican  Richard Nixon  and his advisor Kevin P. Phillips are often credited with having developed the Southern strategy that consolidated the Republican hold on the entire South. Elected president in 1968 and 1972, Nixon knew that Republicans could no longer speak of segregation and white rule directly without alienating moderate voters. (Such openly racist  rhetoric  was left to people such as Democrat  George Wallace , who ran as an independent presidential candidate in 1968.) Instead, they began using coded phrases such as “law and order” (suggesting intolerance of antiwar and civil rights protests), the “silent majority” (referring to white Southerners), and “states’ rights” (indicating opposition to federal civil rights mandates) to tap into racial and political resentment and to reduce the political power of Black people . Nixon straddled civil rights issues by enforcing some federal desegregation laws while using the courts to slow down school desegregation , particularly by means of mandatory  busing . He also courted white evangelical  Christian  voters, which effectively shifted the Republican Party even further to the right. Evangelicals championed so-called “family values” and opposed  women’s rights, gay rights, and the right to abortion . In the meantime, Black voters in the South were shifting their allegiance to the Democratic Party, which was now aligned with national efforts to end racial and economic discrimination.

Following his election as president in 1980 and 1984, Republican  Ronald Reagan further emphasized the Southern strategy regarding law and order and states’ rights and strongly implied that Black people were unworthy of government assistance—including by promoting the racist stereotype  of the “welfare queen.” He also strengthened Republican ties to white  evangelical Christians . Later Republican presidents  George H.W. Bush  and  George W. Bush  followed Reagan’s strategy in defeating their Democratic opponents. After Republicans won a majority in the  U.S. House of Representatives  in 1994,  House Speaker   Newt Gingrich  of Georgia set an exceptionally combative tone that  exacerbated  political polarization between Republicans and Democrats throughout the country ( see   partisanship ).

By 2016, the Southern strategy had given Republicans control of nearly every state governorship and legislature in the South. When  Donald Trump  won the Republican presidential nomination that year, he exploited the divisions fostered by the Southern strategy and went on to win the entire South , much of the West, and, narrowly, several Midwestern states. Trump made promises of immigration bans a central part of his campaign and greatly restricted immigration from Mexico and from Muslim-majority countries following his election as president. He also embraced some of the more radical,  white supremacist  elements of the far right . Since 2016, Trump has effectively extended the political and cultural divisions created by decades of the Southern strategy .

Southern strategy | Definition, The South, History, Republican Party, Democratic Party, & Facts | Britannica

If you can't see what happened to party affiliation in the South over the last 55 years then you're either not looking or you're deep in denial because the truth would destroy your sad bullshit narratives of the racist white conservative Southern Democrats somehow magically leaving the South to be replaced by white conservative Southern Republicans who look exactly the same, have the same ancestors, many owning and living on the same property that their white conservative families have owned for a century and still defend the confederacy and continue to attempt to disenfranchise black voters in their States with onerous unnecessary voting laws.

No one with more than half a brain and any cursory study of politics in the US believe the revisionist history bullshit Republicans have manufactured to try and distance themselves from their deeply conservative Southern Democrat roots. They just continue to employ the same strategies that their racist ancestors did of trying to obfuscate their racism with code words like "thugs" "law and order" "states' rights" and "silent majority".

If you can't see what happened to party affiliation in the South over the last 55 year

It's slowly trended Republican as it became more affluent and blacks now migrate there to escape democratic run cities in the north. 

Would really appreciate if you would tone down your language.

Read the CoC.

1st request.

I think he would be horrified

So... would he be pleased or horrified by MAGA?

I think that Truman, who desegregated the US military would be pleased to see that black Americans live better than black communities elsewhere in the world including every country on the continent of Africa. I think he would be disgusted however by Obama & Biden trying to divide the country over race. I think most Americans are fed up with the left's use of race.

I think he would be disgusted however by Obama & Biden trying to divide the country over race.

That has to be one of the dumbest things I've seen in print in a long time, and I've read some of Trump's tweets recently so that's saying something. The fact that there are actual people who believe that hilarious bullshit truly reveals how deeply fucked up in the head some folk are these days.

They always have to divide the people, because the people won't vote for their ideas.

Thus, it has always been from Marx to Lennin.

Damn - can't believe I had to read the entire thread/seed - three times - to find any reference to MAGA - and still haven't found one.

Wonder why that is?

Truman was different and not because he is/was from Missouri, which was a state with divided loyalties during the Civil War - and the Confederacy recognized it as one of their states.  While the state convention voted against secession, a pro-Confederate faction established a separate government that was recognized by the Confederacy.  Ultimately, the Union maintained control of Missouri throughout the Civil war.

During his nearly eight years in office, Truman confronted enormous challenges in both foreign and domestic affairs. Truman's policies abroad, and especially toward the Soviet Union in the emerging Cold War, would become staples of American foreign policy for generations. At home, Truman protected and reinforced the New Deal reforms of his predecessor, guided the American economy from a war-time to a peace-time footing, and advanced the cause of African-American civil rights.

Historians now rank Truman among the nation's best Presidents .

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Don't think that "cat-fishing" about Truman to gain some type of recognition of distain for Make America Great Again is appropriate - but, hey some people just have to voice their opposition as best they can.  I'm thinking that we can/should have more productive discussions of much regarding our nation's political future, but the constant ragging on one concept that many don't understand nor have knowledge of is a major force blocking good and successful discussions on that future.

e I had to read the entire thread/seed - three times - to find any reference to MAGA - and still haven't found one.

It goes to show you how Trump has broken some on the left's brain.  They can't process anything outside of their Trump obsession.