Trumps tweet shown above should have been disqualifying, but we lost our way as a nation. 

in the last 5 years since watching 2000+ maga traitors storm the capitol -

• I'm never more than 3 feet from a firearm and carry full time outside my home
• I've lost 40+ lbs and can now run a mile, even at my age of 70+
• been to the pistol range well over 400 times and can shoot ambidextrous again
• collected a few more pieces of fascist eradicating hardware

I'm ready to expeditiously deal with maga domestic terrorists should the need arise again ...

They were just tourists!

Even the fellow waving a Canadian flag was one.

To quote the great norm Macdonald, I loved when the violent terrorists made sure to respect the ropes in statutory hall 

These are the things and events that happen when a sacred landslide election victory is so unceremoniously & viciously stripped away from great patriots who have been badly & unfairly treated for so long. Go home with love & in peace. Remember this day forever!

Trump told his mob to remember this day forever!  even after he knew that they had injured dozens of police officers (Presumably that was what they were supposed to remember).  He also knew he was lying when he said a "sacred landslide victory" had been stripped from them.  The country has been enabling his psychoses for 15 years now. That is half of an entire generations life.  We're almost to the point of being beyond all hope of getting back on track. 

He said: "I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard.

"We're going to walk down to the Capitol and we're going to cheer on our brave senators and congressmen and women, and we're probably not going to be cheering so much for some of them."

Show me the incitement phrases in his speech John - can you do that???

There is incitement in the speech, but lets leave that out for a moment. On the same stage at the same event, Rudy Giuliani said something about having the election decided by medieval combat. The day before on the 5th there was a pre-riot rally .  Trump specifically asked the mob to come to Washington on the 6th, the day of the electoral count.  He made that particular tweet the next day after he was told in an oval office meeting of all his election denying flunkies , and white house counsel, that he could not do certain things to have the election overturned, such as seizing voting machines and declaring martial law. The NEXT DAY Trump asked his followers to come to the capitol on Jan 6. 

He wanted to open a last ditch door to stopping the vote count. No one was coming there to sing kumbaya and say prayers in the parking lot of the Capitol, they were coming there to effect the outcome in any way they could, and that is what Trump wanted.

If Trump wanted them to be peaceful, why was he watching the tv and eating Fritos during the first couple hours of the riot?  Why did he tell Kevin Mccarthy ,when Mccarthy asked Trump to call them off , that the "protesters" cared more about the election than you do?

Why did Trump tell the crowd that Pence had let the country down by refusing to follow the Eastman plan but there was still time for him to change his mind. Did Trump expect the mob to change Pences mind for him? 

I worry about the mental health of anyone who to this day still thinks it was just a peaceful protest

The level of denial for what is on video and audio and based on months of rhetoric prior to the act is unbelievable.

I just can't deal with these people anymore.

I hear you, the 'arguments' are irrational, deny blatantly clear facts, invent alternate realities, etc.    All of this intellectual dishonesty to defend the POS Trump.  Just sickening.

He said: "I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard.

So the important question is, “make your voices heard…about what, exactly?”

Trump and his team spent two months lying to that crowd about the election. He intentionally and dishonestly convinced them that a crime was about to be committed against our country, even though he knew better.

And this crime was going to be solidified for all time at this specific place and time.

The motto of this movement was “stop the steal,” not “make your voices heard.”

And so thousands of people arrived because Trump asked them to. And based on his two months of lies, they brought all manner of weapons and body armor. They used this gear to attack police and threaten Congress.

You don’t get to incite people in this way over a period of months, and then hide behind “but I said the word ‘peacefully.’”

You don’t get to incite people in this way over a period of months, and then hide behind “but I said the word ‘peacefully.’

"It will be wild" and 'If you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore"....

How does one 'fight like hell' for their country by being peaceful,? what a LYING POS as usual.

Under oath those Repubs sure spouted out a different story than a stolen election.

I only can speak for what we've been told about it.

We were told that it was a pre-planned armed takeover. Was that true?

The term being used by many democrats was "insurrection." As I recall Jack Smith wanted to use that term, but since nobody was charged with that he held back. We could see from films that there was a massive demonstration at the Capitol which was on the verge of turning violent, and we could see that people seemed to be invited in, maybe because the police felt they had no choice, but everything after that seemed to be carefully spoon fed to us.

The Jan 6th Committee was hand-picked by Nancy Pelosi (the first-time in House history), it was presented by Hollywood consultants, certain witnesses were berated, testimonies & documents were destroyed as soon as the Republicans took over congress.

Most recently we learned another strange thing. The "pipe-bomber" was captured using information the previous FBI already had. That is very odd considering the FBI under Wray claimed they had no information on him and didn't know who he was, other than to say he was probably part of the Jan 6th mob, which Joe Biden had associated with "White supremacy." Trump's FBI simply traced the purchase of an item used in the pipe bomb and they came up with Brian Cole Jr, a young African American man from a middle-class family. He confessed after being arrested, He claims to be an anarchist, and nobody is quite sure where he stands on the political spectrum.

I also recall candidate Kamala Harris saying that Jan 6th was comparable to the Pearl Harbor attack and its 2,400 dead. That is when I ask myself, how many died via violence on Jan 6th. All I can come up with is Ashli Babbitt, a 14-year veteran, who was unarmed and was committing a misdemeanor via entering a broken window. She was shot by "officer Byrd," one of the most irresponsible Capitol Police cops. He famously left his gun in a restroom. It was called "a justified shooting."

We were also told that there were no FBI informants. Christopher Wray testified that "he didn't know." Only since the new administration took over the FBI did we learn that there were between 250 and 275 FBI agents or informants within the Jan 6th crowd. I recall that Mat Rosenberg, Pulitzer Prize reporter for the New York Times, had told us at the time (when he was secretly recorded by Project Veritas) that "there were a ton of informants and he knew them."

And of course, I remember Donald Trump saying: Assemble peacefully & patriotically at the Capitol.


That is my recollection.

Do you really want to talk about Jan 6th?

You know close to nothing about this subject, but spout off anyway. .  That is known as aggressive ignorance.  The police didnt let anyone into the building , the doors were locked. Thats why the mob had to bash in windows to gain entrance. Any that were "let in" by the police happened after the mob had overwhelmed them with numbers and the cops were trying to protect their own safety by "co-operating"

You are utterly unable to talk sensibly about the J6 committee hearings because what fragment about them you know comes from far right media. Fox News didnt bother to show the hearings so they know nothing about them either.

I'm not going to waste much breath trying to inform you since it is a lost cause. But I will ask you a question. The committee says Trump did not attempt to stop the riot for 3 hours after it started.   What does Trump say he was doing that time period?  We dont know, because he has never said what he was doing. We do know his son and daughter were trying to get him to act, but alas. 

The police didnt let anyone into the building , the doors were locked.

FALSE:

Capitol police hold door for pro-Trump protesters, video shows | New York Post


 The committee says Trump did not attempt to stop the riot for 3 hours after it started.

The Committee was totally discredited:  A) because Speaker Pelosi chose every member of it and B) they failed to preserve testimony and documents which they were required to do.


You have failed to counter anything I said in my recollections. 

Hey Vic, John provided where you can watch the hearings, why don't you. Instead you rely on the filtered Fox interpretation that is bullshit. Watch and learn.

Hey Igk, I provided where he can get the facts, why don't you read them.

You lying about all this , and you are, does not impress. 

The J6 committee hearings are over 15 hours long. Get back to us when you have even the tiniest bit of knowledge of what they were about. 

We were told that it was a pre-planned armed takeover. Was that true?

Stick with the most common claim which is that Trump incited his supporters for months claiming that the election was rigged and that their votes were disenfranchised.   He encouraged them to come to the Capitol on Jan 6th.   In result, a mob of angry Trump supporters arrived at the Capitol en-masse and were then further encouraged by Trump and his minions that he had really won the election and that Mike Pence has to ' do the right thing ' to correct this major wrong.   He then told them that he would accompany them as they marched to the Capitol building while Congress was in session certifying the election.

Now, Vic, do you recognize that this did indeed take place?

The term being used by many democrats was "insurrection."

An appropriate term given the definition.   The label is not important;  what is important is that Trump was complicit in assembling and inciting an angry mob and directing them to march to the Capitol.   The fact that he used the word 'peaceful' once does not in any way counter the months of emotive rhetoric that incited the mob.

The Jan 6th Committee was hand-picked by Nancy Pelosi ...

Pay attention to the witnesses.   They were all (with one or two exceptions) high-ranking, connected, Republican operatives who compromised their political careers by testifying under oath.   Listen to the testimony.   Forget about your belief that the Jan 6 members were incapable of being honest and listen to what these Republicans stated.  

The "pipe-bomber"  ... 

Irrelevant.

I also recall candidate Kamala Harris saying that Jan 6th was comparable to the Pearl Harbor attack and its 2,400 dead.

First, fact-checked by ChatGPT (to refresh your memory):

Bottom line

• True : She compared January 6 to Pearl Harbor (and 9/11) as a “date” that will be remembered and as an attack on democracy. Miller Center +1

• Not true / unsupported : That she said it was comparable specifically to Pearl Harbor “and its 2,400 dead,” or that she equated the scale of loss of life.

Regardless, this is also irrelevant; it does not change what Trump did.

We were also told that there were no FBI informants.

This is fringe hearsay.   And again, this does not change what Trump did.   Focus, Vic.

And of course, I remember Donald Trump saying: Assemble peacefully & patriotically at the Capitol.

Of course, you remember the extremely rare times Trump used such rhetoric and IGNORE the hundreds of times he used emotive rhetoric that would incite his supporters .   This is confirmation bias.   Confirmation bias is the phenomenon of human beings ignoring that which does not support their preexisting beliefs and accepting only that which supports their beliefs.   It is precisely NOT critical thinking.

Do you really want to talk about Jan 6th?

You voted for an abysmal human being who was and is the only sitting PotUS to attempt to steal a presidential election through incitement, lying, fraud, and coercion.   This asshole is now abusing the power of the presidency.   He is damaging our nation every week.  He is extremely divisive, childish, and tarnishes our international reputation (destroying our long-developed political capital and trust).  He is trying to turn the presidency into rule of man in direct violation of the rule of law that is the foundation of our CotUS.   He is a psychopath who does not care about you or anyone else.   Yet you continue to try to defend this sick prick.

I could go on with so much more, but since you still support the worst (IMO, but seems obvious) president in our history, you would ignore it just as you have ignored the sworn testimony of Speaker Rusty Bowers of AZ that I have posted here.

The Committee was totally discredited:  A) because Speaker Pelosi chose every member of it and B) they failed to preserve testimony and documents which they were required to do.

What utter bullshit.   The committee was 'discredited' only in the eyes of Trump supporters who want all that evidence to just go away.

Again, forget about the committee itself and focus on the sworn testimonies of high-ranking, connected Republicans (Trump supporters) who compromised their political careers to testify under oath.

Never do you deal with the testimonies (or the facts) regarding Jan 6th.   Even on the notion of breaking & entering, you pretend that video showing guards who were not fighting Trump supporters means that there was no breaking and entering of the Capitol building by Trump supporters.

The level of confirmation bias and flat-out denial of facts is incredible.

The committee did not fail to preserve documents. That is another long standing lie about the committee. 

You were saying?

House Jan. 6 Committee deleted more than 100 encrypted files days before GOP took majority: Sources | Fox News

I think you meant to respond to Vic.

nobody is quite sure where he stands on the political spectrum

he's a trump supporter and it's well documented, despite attempts to hide that information by trump cronies.

You should not rely upon Fox News.   They are no longer trustworthy.

ChatGPT prepared fact-checking of the article you provided.   If you think this fact checking is wrong, then get a link that shows it is wrong.

Here is what that Fox News story accurately reports , what is not independently established , and what the best documentary record says.

What the Fox News article is claiming

Fox News reports that, based on “sources familiar with” Rep. Barry Loudermilk’s oversight investigation, a digital forensics team found 117 files that were both deleted and encrypted , allegedly deleted on January 1, 2023 , and that the forensics team later recovered them; Loudermilk then sought passwords to access them. ( Fox News )

It also asserts (again via sources) that the Jan. 6 Select Committee was required by House rules to turn over all documents, and that Loudermilk received closer to ~2 TB rather than ~4 TB of data. ( Fox News )

What can be verified from primary documentation

Thompson’s written response contradicts key framing

Former Select Committee Chair Bennie Thompson’s July 7, 2023 letter states:

• The Select Committee worked with House authorities and prepared “more than 1 million records ” for publication and archiving , and encourages review of an “ over 4-terabyte digital archive .”

• He says official permanent records were delivered to the House Clerk on January 2, 2023 .

• Critically, Thompson argues the committee was not obligated to archive all “temporary committee records” , and that written transcripts (not necessarily all video recordings) were treated as the official permanent record for transcribed interviews/depositions.

So: there is a documented dispute about what was required to be preserved/archived versus what was “temporary” and therefore not archived, and about the size/completeness of the archive.

What is not proven by the Fox claim (based on publicly available evidence)

Even if there were 117 deleted encrypted files, the Fox reporting does not (on its own) prove any of the following:

• that the Select Committee “destroyed evidence” in a legally meaningful way

• that the files were material, exculpatory, or withheld from lawful archiving

• that the deletions violated House rules rather than reflecting deletion of “temporary” working copies or system artifacts

Those stronger claims would require (at minimum) public release of: the forensic methodology, file names/metadata, chain of custody, and what the recovered files contain.

How independent fact-checking frames the broader “deleted/destroyed evidence” narrative

FactCheck.org has addressed the wider claim that the Jan. 6 Committee “destroyed” or “got rid of everything,” concluding that this sweeping version is false , noting that large volumes of supporting material remain publicly available, and describing Loudermilk’s earlier concerns primarily as records preservation/archiving disputes , not proof that evidence was destroyed. ( FactCheck.org )

Bottom line

• Accurate attribution: The “117 deleted encrypted files” allegation is a claim sourced to Loudermilk’s inquiry and unnamed sources , as reported by Fox. ( Fox News )

• Documented counterpoint: Thompson’s letter asserts a substantial archive was delivered and argues the committee was not required to archive certain “temporary” records; this directly complicates the “they deleted what they had to turn over” framing.

• Not established publicly: The Fox story does not provide enough public documentation to conclude misconduct, intent, or evidentiary destruction .

No, I was just responding to the quote of Vics that was in your comment. 

Any witness or otherwise relevant person who feels their input to the investigation was deleted is free to say so. 

No one has come forward in that way. 

Trump supporters do every thing they can (which isnt much)  to try and discredit the committee. Just about all of them have no truthful idea what they are talking about. 

The level of dishonesty in Trump defensive comments is disgusting.

Trump has normalized blatant dishonesty.   Another gift from this abysmal human  being.

Fox News reports that, based on “sources familiar with” Rep. Barry Loudermilk’s oversight investigation,

How many times have we seen "sources familiar" with phrase mocked by the MAGA?

One does not go to the New York Post for facts. The NYP only serves far right propaganda.

I loved when the violent terrorists made sure to respect the ropes in statutory hall 

Well, I guess literally shitting on the floors of the Capitol isn’t so bad then, so long as they didn’t harm the ropes.  What a moronic observation.

Marie Antoinette's hair sure looked good when they lopped her head off, eh?

As good as Robespierre's when the blade found him as well.

They always eat their own in the end.

and? Do you think I need a history lesson?

I'm just wondering if you know who the modern-day Jacobins are?

They always eat their own in the end.

... like the ongoing maga civil war.

I guess literally shitting on the floors of the Capitol isn’t so bad then

that's typical maga behavior, since their hero has been shitting all over the constitution since he took office ...

Still emulating Joseph-Ignace Guillotin I see.

shitting all over the constitution since he took office

So he is a democrat again?

This guy was a physician and the actual guy who invented the prototype was a physician.

Did they not have the Hippocratic Oath in the 18th century?

The guilotine cared not about class, it was an equal opportunity decapitator. 

yes it was

So he is a democrat again?

I love it, the, "I know you are but what am I" argument.. LOL 

the pee wee herman defense ...

I love it, the, "I know you are but what am I" argument.. LOL 

That post made zero sense.

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but mine did, and like you, I'm always right about that ...

I wont post too much of this , because the day is already winding down, but if you have time you can look at this

January 6: A Date Which Will Live in Infamy – The White House

This is the official white house presentation on the 5th anniversary of Jan 6.  It made me recall the  famous words of Cordell Hull on Dec. 7th 1941 when he addressed the Japanese ambassadors in Washington DC

In all my 50 years of public service I have never seen a document that was more crowded with infamous falsehoods and distortions - on a scale so huge that I never imagined until today that any government on this planet was capable of uttering them."

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January 6: A Date Which Will Live in Infamy – The White House

(There is more of this garbage at the link)

The Democrats masterfully reversed reality after January 6, branding peaceful patriotic protesters as “insurrectionists” and framing the event as a violent coup attempt orchestrated by Trump—despite no evidence of armed rebellion or intent to overthrow the government. In truth, it was the  Democrats who staged the real insurrection  by certifying a fraud-ridden election, ignoring widespread irregularities, and weaponizing federal agencies to hunt down dissenters, all while Pelosi’s own security lapses invited the chaos they later exploited to seize and consolidate power. This gaslighting narrative allowed them to persecute innocent Americans, silence opposition, and distract from their own role in undermining democracy.

January 6: A Date Which Will Live in Infamy – The White House

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" infamous falsehoods and distortions - on a scale so huge that I never imagined until today that any government on this planet was capable of uttering them."

WOW, thats fckd up

Hey John, can you please tell me where i'd find the actual hearings with the truth that so many choose to avoid.

Is that just Jan. 6th hearings ? Wanted to show someone and was hoping you could point me to a decent summarized version if possible, thanx in advance!

The actual Jan 6th hearings are altogether maybe 15 hours long. Im not sure if You Tube has all of it, but that would be the best recap of the facts. 

Jack Smith full 8 hour testimony last week is on You Tube

WATCH: Jack Smith's full House Judiciary deposition on investigating and indicting Trump

There are also many recaps of Smiths testimony such as

LIVE: Jack Smith Testimony DISSECTED as Trump Crimes Unravel

Today, the Democrats held a committee to commemorate Jan 6

(43) WATCH LIVE: House Democrats hold special Jan. 6th hearing on five-year anniversary - YouTube

This is the full thing , but it would take a long time to watch it all

WATCH LIVE: Jan. 6 Committee hearings - The Final Report

The easiest place to find a lot is probably wikipedia

Public hearings of the United States House Select Committee on the January 6 Attack - Wikipedia

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The first place to go would probably the wikipedia page

Public hearings of the United States House Select Committee on the January 6 Attack - Wikipedia

Thanks John!

The pardoned rioters marching today is a terrible, terrible tragedy. Insult on top of injury.

After Trump saying the insurrection rioters were "antifa", blaming the "deep state" that Trump was in charge of at the time and alternately blaming Democrats, why are the rioters marching?!?!

They pretend it was the FBI, the Democrats, the "deep state", "antifa", but lo and behold it is the pardoned violent rioters inspired by Trump marching around.

So much lying, so much damage, but no accountability.

pardoned violent rioters

and some have gone back to prison